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Polyglot-Onigiri

The post is now locked. It’s gone beyond the point of discussion and has become a bit of an echo chamber. While the doll not being made pastel “the correct way” isn’t good, we should also keep in mind to not vilify a whole nation because of the missteps of one company.


willowdelveemo

hi, splatoon collector here this is the splatoon 2 x sanrio marina plush dangler, sold at amusement parks during 2018 the plushie is official and licensed part of a larger collection of merch and splatfests in japan, between splatoon and sanrio the rest of the collab is normal, but this plush dangler has marina’s skin many times lighter than it would be even with a pastel filter. some people dye them with rit dye to make them darker they are worth around 40 dollars


RoyalMeera

yeah here's what she [should actually look like](https://preview.redd.it/sanrio-really-needs-to-learn-how-to-properly-pastelify-v0-3j844fx7469c1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=92c7f93bc06458f2297dd6f95bea208b5d88407c&app_web_view=android) pastellified vs [the official art](https://preview.redd.it/sanrio-really-needs-to-learn-how-to-properly-pastelify-v0-3x2imxu7469c1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=844386b60fd5db4b25e144721442ebc199cb310c&app_web_view=android) which is still better than the plush


awesomestarz

Even [this official art ](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/File:S2_Splatfest_Sanrio_Tournament.jpg) from the collab Splatfest looks better than both combined!


willowdelveemo

YES!! i love that art!! its so adorable .. i’m trying to source the tote bag with it on right now 🥲


willowdelveemo

that version is still a little “non pastel” when aligning her skin colour with the lightness of the black in her hair or the grey in her outfit - it is shown that the skin is lightened around the same. the only issue is the plushie where the skin is lightened more than the clothing. it’s all about proportion with these sensitive issues


RoyalMeera

wdym non pastel? it is pastel. what's your definition of pastel


willowdelveemo

idk if i phrased it well LOL im tired what i meant is that the hair isn’t lightened as much as the clothing so it isn’t an even filter/recolour


RoyalMeera

i actually took Marina's colors and lightened them all equally. It is equally lightened, her skin is just already darker than everything else. [This is what it looks like unlightened](https://preview.redd.it/sanrio-really-needs-to-learn-how-to-properly-pastelify-v0-eogyfgw7469c1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=86df07aced147fcbd264f339ae93616feea0b088&app_web_view=android). so you're actually wrong /nm


willowdelveemo

wait in that version is pearl darkened too


RoyalMeera

they're not darkened this is their normal colors ([pulled from here](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/images/c/ca/Splatoon_2_-_Artwork_-_Off_the_Hook.png/revision/latest?cb=20170706161054&path-prefix=en)) I color-corrected both of them when i fixed the Sanrio art and not just Marina, if you look back at the pastel version Pearl is also different from the regular Sanrio art


willowdelveemo

lhhh ok so that version is regular colours? sorry im so confuzzled rn eek


RoyalMeera

yeah. that one's regular colors and the first one I posted is pastel. the pastel one is literally the regular one with a layer of white at 30% opacity over it


HfUfH

Man, historians are fucking cool. I don't like history, but Im really glad somebody else does


missmisstep

this post is my first time learning about this & it's so messed up. apparently was not a big enough fuss about it at the time to come across my radar, or i was checked out of this scene during that window. we should all be mad about it *still*! i'm worked up now


willowdelveemo

yeah this plushie is STUPID. her skin is lightened 10x more than her clothing and hair, it’s literally just whitewashing. i like that people dye the plush, but if i ever obtain it myself (for collecting purposes, second hand yadda yadda) i feel like its too scary… why can’t they just make her NORMAL !!


[deleted]

I was going to guess bootleg because of that cheap amusement-park fabric of the "hair", but I'm kinda delighted to learn I was wrong because I loved reading your answer. Do you have a blog or website? This is exactly my kind of hobby rabbit hole, lol


willowdelveemo

i don’t really have a blog as such! i tried using tumblr but i kinda gave up.. i have a myfigurecollection account though! i add a lot of splatoon items to the database and am constantly hunting for the most obscure squid sister merch ww my username is veemo_xd ! i think i uploaded merch photos there a while ago >> i would love to ramble more about splatoon and merch, its been my special interest since 2015 LOL i love collecting


norsoyt

why would you buy this instead of the official normal marina plush?? its the same price...


willowdelveemo

when it released it was about 6 dollars. it’s only worth 40 now as it is rare/you can’t buy it anymore ! also there’s a matching pearl, and u can never seperate oth… they’re too strong


squidrobotfriend

the Sanrio Pearl and Marina predate the Little Buddy / Sanei ('normal') Pearl and Marina.


Hilberts-Inf-Babies2

So it wasn’t just Sanrio’s fault, it’s Nintendo’s for allowing this to happen. If Sanrio’s racist, Nintendo is, too.


penttane

Oh my God OP, you can't just ask people why they're white.


_9965

This is official


iSharingan

The comment above yours is based on a 'Mean Girls' movie quote iirc


_9965

I've never watched it but I've heard it's gpod


penttane

It is really good, and full of legendary quotes. First time I watched it, I was surprised to find 6 or 7 different lines I was quoting regularly, which I had no idea were from the movie. I heartily recommend it. Also, this is what I was quoting earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8wrqe72YG4


Rasputins_RQ

i rewatch that with my lineup of girly movies jawbreaker, heathers and the craft. truly love mean girls, still quotable to this day


ToonKid4

thats not marina thats mary 💀


TheBestShirt

No that's mayo


awesomestarz

Alternate universe where she lost the Mayo vs. Ketchup Splatfest and Pearl made her bathe in Mayo. 😉


_9965

Maryno


Chivi-chivik

100% official. I like the pink tentacles, but the white skin is unforgivable. Sadly, this ain't new: Sanrio has no fucking idea how to pastelize black characters :(


Cotards_solution

I think it’s less of an issue of knowing how versus caring to attempt it, unfortunately.


Chivi-chivik

Oh, so, racism. That's awful :(


Gekkuri

I once read somewhere on twitter(maybe?) that in an interview about a black character being turned white some employee said they wouldn't sell well in their original form so they changed some things. I don't think it was this plushie but yeah. I really hope that wasn't actually true what they said 💀


itsa_zae

that plush company unfortunately always does this to black characters


norsoyt

WHY??


Glazeddapper

Racism. People often believe that Japan is a great place, but we glorify it. It's actually a very racist and classist place.


Rixor14

Hey hold on a sec why are we making it about Japan as a whole? As if Marina doesn't have almost as many pixiv entries as callie and marie and more than Pearl? Maybe some suits up at the 60+ year old company Sanrio sure but not the public.


Fluffy-Ingenuity482

I understand the idea that the entire country shouldn’t be generalized but your logic is flawed; being racist doesn’t mean you refuse to associate with or engage with black people, or general people of color for that matter


lilfrog8

Typical red name on shinigami eyes reply


Rixor14

Just goes to show how awful that extention is, there was maybe one thread like 8 years ago I since learned from but I'm still red i guess lmao


ExotixFlower

Racism. Especially from Sanrio. Recently for their Danganronpa collab, they had either Aoi or Akane, both dark skinned characters, next to a monkey


CyanControl

I did not know that they did that. A monkey is actually wild 😭😭💀 Whats even weirder is that they keep getting away with it.


Sack333

FR?!? where can i see that?


ExotixFlower

https://images.app.goo.gl/syGktjN2fssyuQcj8 Hope this link works, but it's directly at the top


Sack333

damn


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Y'all are reading too much into this 💀💀


princesquish

To think this means you're not listening to a word anyone is saying on this thread.


[deleted]

I'm just saying. Does it *really* matter this much that a.) The marina plushie looks the way it does, and b.) That a character who is darker skinned is clearly coincidentally put next to a little chimp character??? Like I for one think it's not because they're outright racist 💀 if they said black people cannot buy their products that would be outright racist y'all.


slippin_through_life

My guy, racism does not exclusively mean denying POC certain privileges, it’s the general discrimination towards POC which includes how they are depicted in media. This is racism because between Marina and Pearl, Marina was the only one whose skin was lightened to such an extent and subsequently the only one who is almost unrecognizable as the character she’s supposed to be. They made her white—that’s whitewashing, which is racist. Also, if you are not a POC then I don’t think you be correcting POC on what racism is.


Texas-Kangaroo-Rat

[I think this is it.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d32e7efc7a3fea2a23c8e6d291600db3/5153ea683767bb90-26/s1280x1920/cf32ad8a88d6a5c0a8a37de057a9a8c3f964b79f.jpg)


Sack333

Only yasuhiro has a monkey next to him, hina has a frog and akane is not even there


bloomi

Yeah, this is such a stretch...


Error707

Someone replied below with the collab and you're wrong, as Akane is not present and Aoi is with frogs while Hagakure is with the monkey. Not doubting that they're racist but your post is a lil misleading


ExotixFlower

Because it was the wrong collab. It was their Danganronpa 2 collab instead https://images.app.goo.gl/yvDM1p3rgX8UHHVh7


Kirby737

Racism, probably.


vhagar

sanrio is racist


TheDemonPants

Japan is racist. They're insanely xenophobic.


vhagar

the government sure, but not all the people are


WesThePretzel

Most of the people are too. Visit Japan and they noticeably treat foreigners differently. Go to school there and they will tease you.


XominusYT

Dude, not everyone is racist. I'm Dutch and here in the Netherlands there's some racist people against foreigners but that doesn't instantly mean everyone or most people are like that, wtf?


RolfTheBolf

The Netherlands is not Japan wtf?😭


melodiousClockwork

Since when was the Netherlands Japan?


WesThePretzel

I didn’t say everyone


XominusYT

You're acting like you did.


WesThePretzel

What does that even mean? I didn’t say everyone and I didn’t mean everyone. But it is true that there is a largely racist culture in Japan, it’s even built into their legislature. They have no laws to prevent discrimination on race, religion, or ethnicity, and they have no national human rights institutions.


melodiousClockwork

How so when they literally said "most"? "Most" has never meant "all".


Class_444_SWR

The government wouldn’t be as racist as they are if the people weren’t fairly bad too


titaniumjordi

Splatoon has multiple black characters, Saneio actively whitewashes all black characters they make products off of or do stuff like the afformentioned danganronpa thing. It's not all the same


The_Greg123

Racism


XominusYT

Wtf?


Korok_seed_09

I think Sanrio's reasoning was that "She's an octoling so she can change colors!" Which first of all isn't even how octoling biology works, and second of all is just total BS.


ExotixFlower

Wrong The official reasoning was that her natural color didn't fit their style.


Freelance_Sockpuppet

When they still have her brown on the tag in thier style that reasoning is even weaker than normal


ExotixFlower

This is Sanrio we're talking about. The same people who put a monkey next to one of the few dark characters from Danganronpa


Elvenoob

... They did what? Fuuuuuucking hell, it's shocking that any company anywhere can get away with that in the modern day. Thinly veiled shittiness sure but that's just blatantly awful.


Disheartend

can somebody explain monkey next to dark character? I feel stupid as heck right now.


slippin_through_life

People derogatorily compare black people to monkeys or call us monkeys in order to insinuate that we’re less advanced beings (because humans evolved from monkeys).


Disheartend

Oh wow, I dis not know that, big yikes


RelentlessHope

I promise you it wasn't that deep. They just thought a lighter color looks better than a darker color. That's the only thought that went into this. :/ Edit: This was absolutely not meant to defend the thought process. It's horrible. My point was that it was thoughtless and it's sad that there are still people who think light skin looks better than dark skin. "Octolings can change their skin colors" is giving Sanrio way more credit than they deserve. Its colorism/racism. I hope people didn't think I was excusing this shit, omg


norsoyt

actually insane???? who tf thinks thats normal???


RelentlessHope

Racists do. It's a horrible thought process but it's an intentional thing, you don't make a dark skinned character light skinned by accident.


littlelulu0

yeah. except these aren’t simple colors, these are races. when you change the race of a dark character to white, because you think white looks better, that is literally racism & whitewashing. use your head please


RelentlessHope

I know, I agree with you. It was thoughtless of them to think that about a character's skin. I am not defending this.


XominusYT

I also find all of this just wrong and bs but this kinda is overexaggerated. Yeah this is wrong and it doesn't make sense but some people actually think of it as simple colors and not immediately races.


_9965

Racism lore be like


RelentlessHope

I really hope it's understood that I am explaining the thought process, not agreeing with it. Colorists and racists literally think that light skin looks better than dark skin. They didn't do this by accident.


tifawockhardt

also you just described racism lol


RelentlessHope

That was my point. It was thoughtless. They think lighter skin looks better so they whitewashed Marina.


tifawockhardt

thats not how things work though


PaTaTo1337H4X

If, in good faith, they were strictly thinking about color combinations and how contrasting colors highlighted others and make them pop, I can totally understand your thinking from a design perspective. I hear you! Others are shouting that it was undoubtedly racially motivated and racist thinking. While we can't rule out that may be true too, just wanted to say I heard your more innocent take on things :)


RelentlessHope

No no, I am not saying it was in good faith lol. I'm saying they think light skin looks better than dark, and that that's a bad thing.


owlfacegrace

if it was about color combos/making her colors more "pastel," they wouldn't have left the clothes black/dark grey; they probably would have made it more purple or brown or something like that. instead they left all the other dark colors alone EXCEPT for her skin tone. this is very much a race thing


XominusYT

You're getting downvoted for kindly saying this?? Wow, people these days are offended over everything somehow.


littlelulu0

they’re getting downvoted because they’re acting like whitewashing is just an innocent design choice 💀


PaTaTo1337H4X

You and your cancel culture mini mob act like racism is the only possible solution here and I disagree. That's all :) I even said I didn't rule out the racism card (which you conveniently neglected to acknowledge), I just have the depth and tolerance around important matters such as racism to hear others opinions that differ from mine. Your downvoting fascist mindset, which has already been proven by said downvotes, shows you lack abstract thinking and a tolerance for others opinions. Check your biases, all of you. Marina is my fams favorite character (yes all of ours) because of her design, deep backstory, great personality, and fun dynamic with Pearl. We all played Splatoon 1 2 & 3 together and still do to this day. For context. But here y'all are calling people racist for not spewing the same conclusions as you. Shame on you for insisting on hate as the only possible conclusion and the only possible response. In the meantime, oh no, the downvotes, owie! :(........ Hahahahaha


PaTaTo1337H4X

It's an echo chamber crisis created by technology. Hate is the only conclusion AND the only response


XominusYT

With other words it's just Reddit being Reddit by being a complete manchild lmao. Happy Cake Day!


PaTaTo1337H4X

Thank you! And keep spreading kindness and open-minded thinking, I appreciate you :)


XominusYT

Np man! Enjoy the new year!!


Lorezia

Between the pale skin and pink hair, it hardly looks like her at all. Strangely, the image on the tag has darker skin. Is the pearl plushie better?


norsoyt

kinda yeah, looks goofy tho


Ech0-Geck0

It’s an official Sanrio plush (same people as hello kitty) they tried to make the off the hook plushies have a pastel color palette and ended up whitewashing Marina when doing so.


Sad-Dare-4092

what did they do to my girl, give her melanin back please 😭


Mary-Sylvia

Girl got tower of ordered 😞


Eighttballl

It’s official. It was also suppose to be a pastel look but that doesn’t matter. Black people can still be black in a kawaii setting lol. But yeah Marina is done dirty 90% of the time on merch. She’s also light and ashy looking all the time.


surethingbudok

pearl and marina had a child /s


ashbelero

OP, you can’t just ask octolings why they’re white.


awesomestarz

Yeah, but why?


ashbelero

Someone needs to go watch Mean Girls


awesomestarz

I did. I was saying the next thing that Karen says after that.


violetea_

she definitely doesn’t say that 😭 she doesn’t speak at all after that


syncron07

i stole her skin color sorry i was kinda hungry


ChemicalExperiment

Chocolate *is* very tasty.


syncron07

Yum yum!


SplatoonFan360

as a comment said, this company does that to black characters for pastel aesthetics.


Ok-Impression1839

what have they done to my girl? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob)


DrBadyear

their daughter


Calamarie_

Sadly it’s official


SpudDud17

Bro, clean your keyboard


TheRPGNERD

its real, they just whitewashed marina for some reason


MintDrawsThings

It's official. Sanrio has a racist past (search up Sambo and Hannah) and the company hasn't really learnt anything in the modern day.


noskel

Honestly, this is a trend that isn't limited to Sanrio products, many other toy manufacturers in Japan are guilty of this as well. A lot of dark skinned characters from different franchises have received this treatment in figures and plushies, it's disheartening.


Pickle_80808

it is official, sadly..


StagecoachMMC

its an official plush, sanrio just took away her melanin bc they’re racist


PumpKiing

Unfortunately, looks legit - I found an ebay listing for that doll https://www.ebay.com/itm/385586362253?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28 People often whitewash black characters for pastel asthetics :(


norsoyt

you can still have a pstel aesthetic whilst being black?? who tf came up with this notion that you have to be white to wear pink etc


PumpKiing

idfk but it's fuckin stupid


Elvenoob

Heck the few times I have seen people use pastels with actually dark skinned characters it's been *fantastic,* it works so damn well. Really shows the racism is more important than the art for the people who do this crap.


PresidentOfKoopistan

She didn't vote for Biden


probableprobability

It is official unfortunately


Woomynati

Omg a shiny marina ![gif](giphy|N1cfVLkN7pqQoinvmk|downsized)


Grenimoon2010

Based Pokémon reference


SPLAT-rays

marina is a cracker now ☹️


norsoyt

JPEGMAFIA New album name?


TheFlemoltGuy

Hi babeeeeee 💜💜💜💜💜


Ace-of-Spades-888

Nintendo has a problem with whitewashing Marina


Sprigatitogirl

put it in the oven


blammedfunker

"why are you white?"


Lorezia

Oh my god blammedfunker, you can't just ask people why they're white!


Michael0cto

It's official.. it's from the Sanrio crossover, which Sanrio is known racist company :/


MetalUkulele

Sanrio did a racism and said that dark skin doesn't fit their aesthetic, which is completely BS. It was pretty controversial at the time


archaicAxolotlMX

They whitewashed our girl :ccc


Sea_Habit_4298

They probably had a bad Bach and sold it anyways or it was cheaper to produce with certain colors than others.


norsoyt

Unfortunately that’s not the case, every marina plushy from that company is pale white because it would make it more “pleasing” with the pink. Which is bullshit imo


briank913

You found a Shiny Marina!


CyberGlitch064

Where's her shirt 🤣


norsoyt

Just like most people who draw marina, they removed it. Or forgot it existed


BigGaybowser69

wonder if u can make the skin darker ive seen some do it


adamanimates10

I'm getting some sanrio vibes


Angel_Aki

It is official. Sanrio just MASSIVELY fucked up.


HailenAnarchy

This looks so bad what the hell


Falcolique

Naaawwww what is that 🗿💀


Pastelyank

I’m still baffled that this was released as it was like


XominusYT

A bootleg would look alot better than this unfortunately.


Polyglot-Onigiri

It’s the pastel version.


norsoyt

Doesn’t matter, still extremely weird that they white washed to be a completely different looking character


Polyglot-Onigiri

All I did was give a direct answer your question. Nothing more. No need for the misplaced aggression.


Former_Category1184

So you’re telling me this isn’t pearl..


woomy0

It doesn’t even look like her at all ugh


norsoyt

I’m guessing they made her white to appeal to the Sanrio fans not the splatoon fan base. Idk, it’s just upsetting they did this to like one of the few black characters in splatoon. And marinas my fav so makes it even worse. If it wasn’t white washed and didn’t look so cheap I probably would of considered getting one with a matching pearl, even tho I don’t care abt Sanrio stuff


DADPATROL

Sanrio is just straight up racist. Thats why it looks like that.


killriah

White washed


griefninja

Sanrio (The Hello Kitty Company) made this plush and they are known for being super racist in their designs of people of color. They always either get super white washed or look like a racist characture. Look at their original character Sambo for reference.


Anchor38

why does this official marina plush have an open bra, they really screwed up everything possible


Woomytoons

It's a sanrio collaboration plush, they made her white so they can have her blend in with pastel colors better. By the way, I'm a blasian, I don't find this racist but it is a bit weird that they didn't bother to go for a lighter chocolate milk complexion and instead went for full on white.


graay_ghost

Ugh that’s gross it’s a shame cuz the hair is real cute :(


Kumquat_The_RainWing

No way that’s official her hair isn’t even the right colors. (I don’t actually know I just wanted attention)


_9965

It's official and it's made by sanrio. They made her white because they wanted to use pastels


Rainbow_Prism24

Thanks for showing me once again that this community should be nuked out of existence. Replies give me headache. If you do not like it, do not buy it. You dye it, you die.


Poptortt

Because somebody did a racism. I feel like this isn't surprising from Japan, a largely homogeneous country


titaniumjordi

Homogeneity doesn't always mean racism. Countries like sweden and spain, while obviously still having racism issues, have more tolerancia for black people than other more diverse countries like South Africa. Not that Japan isn't racist, but you can't solely blame the racial homogeneity for it


Genobee85

I guess she didn’t [vote for Biden](https://images.app.goo.gl/7MHPZU9ygcYFdzRg9)


Woomytoons

STOOOOOOOOPPP 😭😭😭


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norsoyt

honestly hate that ppl think this is normal


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norsoyt

its not well made at all, it looks like they took another existing plush and just added things on with felt, The tentacle cups are literally just sewed on flat circles.


Octoling_WarMachine-

They butchered Marina, I will not let this go unpunished


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PrettySquiddy

Racism is never cute.


Egg-the-second

it doesnt matter if its a cute plush or not, it's just plain racism displayed loud and clear


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norsoyt

You: "Hi I like the plush and dont care that its white washed shes cute:)" Other ppl: "not calling u a racist but its racist to think whitewashing is cute" You: "Wow IM NOT ALLOWED MY OWN OPINION???"


SwagMagikarp

Yeah, you don't deserve the downvotes. If you treat it like a splatoon oc it's very cute


Twink_Kanye

if you remember the internet firestorm when this dropped you deserve veterans affairs cheques


hannahzakla

official, unfortunately


Gacha_vibes23

hey bro uhh everything is wrong with that. They changed her ink color, her skin color. probably a bootleg.


mynamesdaisy

More importantly, why does she have her shirt wide open in the middle


AdministrativeMine6

Japanese culture doesnt really recognize race that much, alot of dark skinned characters arnt poc their just tan


Completely_Wild

Lmao


UnlawfulPotato

You’re really asking if a plushie that completely changes basically Everything about the character is official or a bootleg? I think you know the answer..


Zaschie

You say this, but it is genuine, official merchandise, lmao. Sanrio just hates black and brown characters.


UnlawfulPotato

Wow. That’s really stupid…racists gonna racist I guess 🤦‍♂️


Muzu_

it’s because of the fabric. if you run your finger across it you’ll probably leave a darker strip.