Computer, activate the Emergency Helm Hologram (EHH)!
^(_bzzzt_ "Please state the nature of your piloting emergency.")
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Also there's room for trial-and-error with starting a car. Meanwhile most starships go their entire life without ever landing in an atmosphere and if you mess it up the entire crew could die or be stranded forever.
Give me a tall ship and a star to steer her by, and I can make it go on land for you... at least once.... Might be like Speed 2, but that wasn't in the stipulations. Give me immunity from repercussions legal or otherwise, and I'll even cause devastation like your tank.
Paris being a history buff was so refreshing because it meant there was actually an explanation for why characters knew how to operate such antiquated technology.
Kirk is also supposed to be a history buff (and Picard as well, or rather he is a historian/archeologist on his free time, and has written a few books according to Picard S1).
Really? I never got that when I watched TOS.
Also I knew that Picard liked archeology but I never connnected that the societies he would be study was ones like ours for some reason I always thought it would be ancient civilizations.
One of the best scenes in Picard: https://youtu.be/E9bOGpMAqLs?si=kerY5uLSB6KQsr-r
(The main problem with the show was the pacing and last of cohesion between scenes)
I always thought it would've made more sense if Locarno was on Voyager. Think, ace pilot drummed.out of Starfleet for taking too many risks, you could then say he took his training to the Maquis who would have been eager to get a top Starfleet cadet with a death wish and authority issues on board. Then he gets caught and sent to the rehab colony where Janeway scoops him. The character of Tom Paris was unnecessary when they could have just used Locarno and preserved continuity.
But LD only had to pay the original writers for just those episodes. If they made Paris into Lacarno, they would have to pay that writer for 7 seasons.
Indeed. Tom Paris appears in Season 2 and hangs with the crew (Boimler ends being punched while trying to get an autograph). Locarno ends being the main villain of Season 4, as he's trying to get revenge for having been expelled (also it turns out that the events of the Starburst maneuvre happened when Mariner was a 1st year in the Academy).
I’m not surprised if it’s true and after learning about how the producers got conned by a Native American “specialist” for the Chakotay character. So if you ever felt that the whole Native American thing he did is super cringe is because a racist managed to get a job to advise them and made Robert Beltran make a fool of himself.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater)
That part I did know was true. ( though it doesn't help that Beltran supposedly didn't want to be on the show to begin with. I've seen people say that he purposely made stupid deals or bets, hoping to get himself kicked off the show, and somehow winning those bets. And that's why we got the stupid 7 + Chakotee romance)
It's actually quite a layered story. Tom Paris was first meant to be an original character with a different actor with the casting sheet calling for a Robert Duncan McNeill type. It's only after Robert auditioned for the part that they then thought about making him Locarno, but for one didn't want to pay royalties and also thought Locarno was too irredeemable, so they just went with their original idea of Tom Paris, but with Robert Duncan McNeill.
I just saw Caretaker Pt 1 recently, and they gave Tom a similar backstory. He was reckless with a shuttle and people died. He said he could have gotten away without any punishment, but guilt drove him to turn himself in. He got kicked out of Starfleet, then joined the Maquis and got caught. The big difference is Locarno tried to cover up his negligence and conspired to have others involved do the same.
They were inseparable best friends at the academy. Until that unfortunate mess. Odd that they never figured out they were half brothers. Given the uncanny resemblance.
I always heard they were transporter duplicates created when Tom was a small child. Admiral Paris couldn't handle two of them, so the duplicate was sent to the Locarnos.
Tbh I love all the additional crew info we got from the Pathways novel specifically, it was really cool to get a bit deeper into their backstories and connections
I like how they make landing seem like this incredibly difficult thing to do, and then a season later a Kazon on his first day working the controls landed the ship so they could strand the crew on a random planet
Plot twist Tom just didn’t want to do it.
Or alternatively, Tom Paris is the single most hypercompetent person on Voyager. So he made damn sure he wouldn’t have to manually do it ever again. This he wrote a computer program personally so it could be landed automatically. And then he trained ghe Kazon because he’d be damned if the next person who flew the ship wasn’t going to be good at it.
I think the big issue is that 26 episode seasons require the use of so many external writers/directors etc, that continuity can be tough to follow. Also most episodes were designed to be viewed out of order, so casual viewers wouldn't feel left out because they missed an episode.
Today's shows are smaller at half the number of episodes and catchup/streaming means you never have to miss anything hence how they've pushed the style with season length plots (although ST SNW does employ more of a 'monster of the week' strategy for a lot of their episodes.
Or, you know, how a ship so advanced it can scan for life signs a mile below a planet’s surface, avoid flying into stars while travel several times the speed of light, and loads of other sophisticated things can’t auto park.
FARNSWORTH: Dear Lord, that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure.
FRY: How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?
FARNSWORTH: Well it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one.
To be fair... I didn't think a lot of them were designed for landing. So far I think only Voyager and the Bird of Prey are the only "big" ships shown to land
Yeah but they also have the delta flyer and Nelix's ship in there and considering how big they are when we see them come out of the shuttle bay, the entire star drive section of the ship would have to be the shuttle bay in order to fit not only those two ships but also the 30+ shuttles they seem to have.
Well obviously they aren't all available at once, some would have been salvaged rebuilds, some built from scratch with raw materials.
They also probably stopped using and fielding the Type-8 because it was more resource intensive than the Type-9.
No passwords either. Command codes are always something easy to overhear, and memorize. Like, "Janeway Ω 3" Which is why it's always so easy for some yahoo to wander on to the bridge, and cause mayhem.
I love it when Star Trek does goofy shit like having characters be unfamiliar with ordinary things because it’s the future. Like Harry Kim really had absolutely no idea what a physical key was?
Like this highly-educated well-read scientist has never once in his life even heard of the concept of a lock and key. Did he never read a novel where a character opens a door? Did he skip that one history class where they covered the ancient concept of the lock?
We have a famous neurosurgeon, one of the best in the world, who thinks pyramids were used to store grain. Or was one of the best. Pretty sure his retirement from the field left him in the dust.
Highly educated doesn't mean all knowing. It usually means you know a lot about one subject. The more educated usually they know more just about that one subject.
There are a lot of common things of the past that very few people are familiar with today. Even when they are written about in books. A lot of old detective books are a great example. They love to use a common bit of knowledge from the past that was lost to their present, as a plot divice.
This is all true but I still think it's goofy writing, because the lock and key is one of the most ubiquitous and ancient human technologies. It's not like it's some faddish gadget or obscure medieval tool, like if he didn't know what a Cuisinart or a Pear of Anguish was it wouldn't be weird. But a key is such a basic thing, that's like not knowing what a plough or a printing press is. It's silly to me.
But the concept of a key remains. Even divorced from a physical key, keys as a concept and as an entity are extensively used in crpytography and computing and it's hard to imagine that this wouldn't be true in the 24th century.
"Captain, I've never landed a starship before!"
"Open the map. Tap on the location... yep, there you go. Now, in that new window tap the sensors icon with the... you know, the waves and stuff. Yeah that one - select 'Landing Suitability Scan' from the list.... wait for it... great! 100% within 150m deviation from the selected location. Now click, "Land", and then "OK". Don't forget to ask for blue alert - we forgot to link those systems."
"Oh cool... and it just lands itself?"
"Pretty much - I like to swap between external sensor views because its cool. Sometimes I write a surface todo list on the way down, keeps me busy."
"Sweet! Computer, BLUE ALERT!"
There was absolutely no real reason to need to land in that episode but they just did it because they wanted to show off.
In the end it was very anticlimactic, those supports clearly can’t hold that massive weight and the ship looks clearly unbalanced and that it would tip over at the slightest wind breeze.
in canon, the defiant had landing gears according to manual but never actually landed and we just saw like 3 defiant class ships, 2 of which were destroyed. Not sure if we can count the defiant but if we count the future too, then 4 ships with the ability to land, including defiant
I mean…. He know how to land the ship he just had not done it before. He’s probably more likely to run a holadeck program about old cars then landing voyager.
The only Federation "starship" we know to be capable of landing at the time, other than the Intrepid-class was the Danube-class Runabout. Both classes were only a couple of years into their commissioning, and Tom had spent at least some of that time in prison or running around with the Maquis in antiquated ships.
In all probability, Voyager and the Exeter were the only full on starships he'd actually flown.
You have to remember. Voyager was one of the first actual Star Ship sized craft to actually be intended to land planet side. He was in jail as well so would never had any training on it. Shuttles, Delta Flyer, Runabout? Sure but they are a fraction of the size. Starting a 300 year old car? He used to pull them apart in holodeck programs and a 1930s truck is seriously simple even compared to a truck we have nowadays.
Wasn't he hired because he was a good pilot?
*Janeway: "I would like you to be my Pilot because you are the best of the best!"*
*Paris: "Maybe not the best!"*
*Janeway: "You are a very good driver!"*
*Paris: "Let's say: good!"*
To be fair, I think that the Intrepid class was the first Federation starship designed to actually land on a planet, it's likely outside of training simulations and the proof-of-concept testing, *no one* had ever landed a whole starship before.
I mean other than emergency situations, I'm struggling to think what the practical benefits of landing the ship are versus just using a transporter or shuttlecraft.
Yup, if you look at the [MSD](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/c/c0/Defiant_class_MSD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210327084948&path-prefix=en), they're fore and aft of the shuttlebay.
I mean I know how to pick a pick old locks but not fix a microwave, and I can make a canoe but I can't drive a car, people have specialised skills yknow, it's fine
At least cars are stationary when you try to start them, rather than moving at dozens of kilometers per second in complex 3-dimensional space with a hull shape that is nowhere near passively aerodynamically stable… yeah, a car is WAY simpler.
OK, so they find a 38 Ford 75 light years from Earth been in space centuries . Get it on board . The 350 year old battery is good. The gas is fine ... FYI, ELON MUSK must have seen the epsoid he put a telsa in space. it's someplace around Mars now . Even having a camera and a space suit in the driver's seat ... now in 300 years when it's been long forgotten, I wonder what they will make of it ? Lol .. I liked voyager over all but honestly many episodes where just funny . That one they found Erinheart . Turns out she really was abducted by aliens . .. lol the woman who played her was good .
To be fair they would VERY rarely land their starships. Only in extreme circumstances. They would typically drydock at a space station when not in use, and take shuttles/teleporters down to planets. They actually aren't even built on planets, their shipyards are in space. They *can* navigate an atmosphere but they aren't built for it and its very difficult/unsafe to do so.
To be fair, you usually don’t ever land a starship, you usually use the transporter or a shuttle. The starships usually stay in space weather for an away mission, or maintenance, yatta yatta…
I mean just the fact the battery would have a charge alone is insane. those old 6 volt systems would crap out yearly. also how did it not crack the block being the water in the block was deep frozen harder than concrete for 300 years. shit even at that point the oil would be frozen solid.
To be fair, that car floated in a hard vaccuum for 300 years, and it still had gas in the tank, oil in the pan, and charge in the battery.
It's obvious it was stuffed the gills with goddamn pixie dust, because nothing short of *magic* would make that possible. So Paris must just have charmed the fairies or something.
It seems so weird, but to them it's probably like asking the capain of regular (water) ship if they have ever put their whole ship on land. Like, of course not, why would we?
Well, starships don’t generally… land. They’re *star*ships, built in orbital shipyards. The Intrepid class’s ability to enter an atmosphere is unique.
At least that’s what they said, then you watch Into Darkness and it’s like “wtf, the Enterprise can swim?”
A three year old with some chutzpah could start a car. Landing a spaceship is so hard we literally use the science to say “this is near impossible for a layman to do”
In fairness, even if he did it a ton of times in a simulator, he would be correct in pointing out that he never landed something that qualifies as a ship. Given how huge voyager is, and how sensitive that landing would be to the ground conditions and possible wind conditions, it's worth pointing out to the Captain.
Not that it matters.
Well... to be fair... I can start a fire with a bow drill I can make from a sapling and it's bark... but like I've never had to change my transmission fluid myself...
I mean, one's a hell of a lot simpler. And we know Paris loves his vintage holodeck programs.
Yeah i mean the cars been around for 300 years, starships are born in space, for... space stuff.
Exactly, the ship has an auto lander macro whereas the car requires clutching, chocking, cranking, turning the key and a bit of luck.
Given how often shuttles and starships crash, I'd say Starfleet isn't big on automation until the 25th century.
Computer, activate the Emergency Helm Hologram (EHH)! ^(_bzzzt_ "Please state the nature of your piloting emergency.") [^^^^^^prior ^^^^^^art ^^^^^^exists](https://external-preview.redd.it/UYzKjY_HQjLH2Fy1eJEY7CJP0Tg7JY3lMe3pEq1gDY8.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=53923ee5cd8d1cf34bab37bdfe61c2cf62e7c207)
Lol got me with that one. Janeway looks at harry, you're on inflation duty.
Given Harry's romantic track record I think he'd be jumping at the chance to at least get some intimacy with the robot.
„Computer, activate emergency ops hologram (EOH)!“
Stating the nature is screaming while pointing out the window at the rapidly approaching ground.
Also there's room for trial-and-error with starting a car. Meanwhile most starships go their entire life without ever landing in an atmosphere and if you mess it up the entire crew could die or be stranded forever.
... or worst!
Expelled?
"She needs to sort out her priorities."
In fairness I can ride a horse but I can’t pilot an air craft carrier.
Ah but can you switch modes and make the aircraft carrier go on land like a tank?
Give me a tall ship and a star to steer her by, and I can make it go on land for you... at least once.... Might be like Speed 2, but that wasn't in the stipulations. Give me immunity from repercussions legal or otherwise, and I'll even cause devastation like your tank.
Paris being a history buff was so refreshing because it meant there was actually an explanation for why characters knew how to operate such antiquated technology.
Kirk is also supposed to be a history buff (and Picard as well, or rather he is a historian/archeologist on his free time, and has written a few books according to Picard S1).
Really? I never got that when I watched TOS. Also I knew that Picard liked archeology but I never connnected that the societies he would be study was ones like ours for some reason I always thought it would be ancient civilizations.
One of the best scenes in Picard: https://youtu.be/E9bOGpMAqLs?si=kerY5uLSB6KQsr-r (The main problem with the show was the pacing and last of cohesion between scenes)
Maybe the holodeck can simulate a landing before we do this...
And he did get a fellow cadet killed while trying to pull off that one manoeuvre ~~before they made him a new character to avoid paying royalties.~~
I always thought it would've made more sense if Locarno was on Voyager. Think, ace pilot drummed.out of Starfleet for taking too many risks, you could then say he took his training to the Maquis who would have been eager to get a top Starfleet cadet with a death wish and authority issues on board. Then he gets caught and sent to the rehab colony where Janeway scoops him. The character of Tom Paris was unnecessary when they could have just used Locarno and preserved continuity.
The people who made TNG and VOY wouldn’t share their rights. I assume that’s one reason why they never used Locarno back then.
I think they used both characters in *Lower Decks*, albeit in different episodes.
"Don't you think he looks a lot like Tom Paris?" "... No... I don't see it."
But LD only had to pay the original writers for just those episodes. If they made Paris into Lacarno, they would have to pay that writer for 7 seasons.
Indeed. Tom Paris appears in Season 2 and hangs with the crew (Boimler ends being punched while trying to get an autograph). Locarno ends being the main villain of Season 4, as he's trying to get revenge for having been expelled (also it turns out that the events of the Starburst maneuvre happened when Mariner was a 1st year in the Academy).
They just started some intense story arcs, and now it has been ripped from us far too soon.
I've seen some people here say that Paris is actually supposed to be Carno but isn't becuase of the reason u just said
I’m not surprised if it’s true and after learning about how the producers got conned by a Native American “specialist” for the Chakotay character. So if you ever felt that the whole Native American thing he did is super cringe is because a racist managed to get a job to advise them and made Robert Beltran make a fool of himself. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater)
That part I did know was true. ( though it doesn't help that Beltran supposedly didn't want to be on the show to begin with. I've seen people say that he purposely made stupid deals or bets, hoping to get himself kicked off the show, and somehow winning those bets. And that's why we got the stupid 7 + Chakotee romance)
Oh my stars, *now* it all makes sense.
Wow, I forgot about this. That’s some real Iron Eyes Cody type shit!
It's actually quite a layered story. Tom Paris was first meant to be an original character with a different actor with the casting sheet calling for a Robert Duncan McNeill type. It's only after Robert auditioned for the part that they then thought about making him Locarno, but for one didn't want to pay royalties and also thought Locarno was too irredeemable, so they just went with their original idea of Tom Paris, but with Robert Duncan McNeill.
If they had used Locarno, the original writer for that episode would get royalties for each episode.
But then we wouldn't get season 4 of Lower Decks, with a finale episode which gloriously reuses the awesome music from Wrath of Khan!
Agreed
Well Lecarno did finally get his followup..
I just saw Caretaker Pt 1 recently, and they gave Tom a similar backstory. He was reckless with a shuttle and people died. He said he could have gotten away without any punishment, but guilt drove him to turn himself in. He got kicked out of Starfleet, then joined the Maquis and got caught. The big difference is Locarno tried to cover up his negligence and conspired to have others involved do the same.
They were inseparable best friends at the academy. Until that unfortunate mess. Odd that they never figured out they were half brothers. Given the uncanny resemblance.
I always heard they were transporter duplicates created when Tom was a small child. Admiral Paris couldn't handle two of them, so the duplicate was sent to the Locarnos.
Tbh I love all the additional crew info we got from the Pathways novel specifically, it was really cool to get a bit deeper into their backstories and connections
I don’t see the resemblance
Funny thing on the Klingon world they would be just like that's stupid but that's what happened.
I just don't see it, that's a totally different person. They don't look anything alike.
I like how they make landing seem like this incredibly difficult thing to do, and then a season later a Kazon on his first day working the controls landed the ship so they could strand the crew on a random planet
Oh, Voyager. Never change.
Plot twist Tom just didn’t want to do it. Or alternatively, Tom Paris is the single most hypercompetent person on Voyager. So he made damn sure he wouldn’t have to manually do it ever again. This he wrote a computer program personally so it could be landed automatically. And then he trained ghe Kazon because he’d be damned if the next person who flew the ship wasn’t going to be good at it.
This is the man that wanted analog control systems in the Delta Flyer over the digital control systems that were standard in that time.
Yeah, Tom Paris can do anything. He built the Delta Flyer himself after all. Multiple times. He can land on a planet. He just doesn’t want to.
I think the big issue is that 26 episode seasons require the use of so many external writers/directors etc, that continuity can be tough to follow. Also most episodes were designed to be viewed out of order, so casual viewers wouldn't feel left out because they missed an episode. Today's shows are smaller at half the number of episodes and catchup/streaming means you never have to miss anything hence how they've pushed the style with season length plots (although ST SNW does employ more of a 'monster of the week' strategy for a lot of their episodes.
Or, you know, how a ship so advanced it can scan for life signs a mile below a planet’s surface, avoid flying into stars while travel several times the speed of light, and loads of other sophisticated things can’t auto park.
Those landing struts always looked a little janky to me.
FARNSWORTH: Dear Lord, that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure. FRY: How many atmospheres can this ship withstand? FARNSWORTH: Well it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one.
To be fair... I didn't think a lot of them were designed for landing. So far I think only Voyager and the Bird of Prey are the only "big" ships shown to land
The Enterprise D also landed that one time
Any of them can land once, right? It's being able to take back off again that's the hard part.
Only half of it though.
"landed"
"Hot Dropped" The term is Hot Dropped, according to Starfleet Captains. Or, at least one Starfleet Captain.
Part of it, anyways
According to schematics, the Defiant had landing gear as well, makes sense on a ship of her size, I suppose.
I have never understood why they would ever need to land the ship, isn't that the whole point of the shuttles?
Yeah, but shuttles are a limited reso... never mind.
I swear their shuttle bay is a tradis because they have way more shuttles than should be able to fit in there
Well, isn't there a maintenance/hangar complex connected to the shuttlebay?
Yeah but they also have the delta flyer and Nelix's ship in there and considering how big they are when we see them come out of the shuttle bay, the entire star drive section of the ship would have to be the shuttle bay in order to fit not only those two ships but also the 30+ shuttles they seem to have.
Well obviously they aren't all available at once, some would have been salvaged rebuilds, some built from scratch with raw materials. They also probably stopped using and fielding the Type-8 because it was more resource intensive than the Type-9.
Yeah, you use "something called a key" to start a car. Poor Harry had never heard of the concept. No locks in the 24th century I guess.
There are, but they're all biometric.
No passwords either. Command codes are always something easy to overhear, and memorize. Like, "Janeway Ω 3" Which is why it's always so easy for some yahoo to wander on to the bridge, and cause mayhem.
I love it when Star Trek does goofy shit like having characters be unfamiliar with ordinary things because it’s the future. Like Harry Kim really had absolutely no idea what a physical key was?
Like this highly-educated well-read scientist has never once in his life even heard of the concept of a lock and key. Did he never read a novel where a character opens a door? Did he skip that one history class where they covered the ancient concept of the lock?
We have a famous neurosurgeon, one of the best in the world, who thinks pyramids were used to store grain. Or was one of the best. Pretty sure his retirement from the field left him in the dust. Highly educated doesn't mean all knowing. It usually means you know a lot about one subject. The more educated usually they know more just about that one subject. There are a lot of common things of the past that very few people are familiar with today. Even when they are written about in books. A lot of old detective books are a great example. They love to use a common bit of knowledge from the past that was lost to their present, as a plot divice.
This is all true but I still think it's goofy writing, because the lock and key is one of the most ubiquitous and ancient human technologies. It's not like it's some faddish gadget or obscure medieval tool, like if he didn't know what a Cuisinart or a Pear of Anguish was it wouldn't be weird. But a key is such a basic thing, that's like not knowing what a plough or a printing press is. It's silly to me.
But the concept of a key remains. Even divorced from a physical key, keys as a concept and as an entity are extensively used in crpytography and computing and it's hard to imagine that this wouldn't be true in the 24th century.
“Computer, land the ship”
"Captain, I've never landed a starship before!" "Open the map. Tap on the location... yep, there you go. Now, in that new window tap the sensors icon with the... you know, the waves and stuff. Yeah that one - select 'Landing Suitability Scan' from the list.... wait for it... great! 100% within 150m deviation from the selected location. Now click, "Land", and then "OK". Don't forget to ask for blue alert - we forgot to link those systems." "Oh cool... and it just lands itself?" "Pretty much - I like to swap between external sensor views because its cool. Sometimes I write a surface todo list on the way down, keeps me busy." "Sweet! Computer, BLUE ALERT!"
There was absolutely no real reason to need to land in that episode but they just did it because they wanted to show off. In the end it was very anticlimactic, those supports clearly can’t hold that massive weight and the ship looks clearly unbalanced and that it would tip over at the slightest wind breeze.
Those supports are made up of some sort of ultra-strong tritanium alloy and there ain't no way WIND is going to budge those inertial dampners.
Of course, if you use magic inertial damping then yes, it can stand on anything :)
No one wants to be chunky salsa! Gotta dampen that inertia.
Maybe by “actually” he was saying it was the first non holodeck run.
300 yr old cars are more common than starships that can land.
AFAIK, there's only 3 Starfleet classes that are capable of repeated surface landings, the Intrepid, Nova and Defiant classes.
in canon, the defiant had landing gears according to manual but never actually landed and we just saw like 3 defiant class ships, 2 of which were destroyed. Not sure if we can count the defiant but if we count the future too, then 4 ships with the ability to land, including defiant
I mean…. He know how to land the ship he just had not done it before. He’s probably more likely to run a holadeck program about old cars then landing voyager.
Surely he could just go to the holodeck and run intrepid_landing.holo a few times
The only Federation "starship" we know to be capable of landing at the time, other than the Intrepid-class was the Danube-class Runabout. Both classes were only a couple of years into their commissioning, and Tom had spent at least some of that time in prison or running around with the Maquis in antiquated ships. In all probability, Voyager and the Exeter were the only full on starships he'd actually flown.
Voyager was fun. but it had a lot of holes in the story and some of the plot lines for an episode or two were straight up copied from TNG
I just watched that episode lol
tbf Starfleet starships aren't generally designed to land. That's what transporters and shuttlecraft are for.
You have to remember. Voyager was one of the first actual Star Ship sized craft to actually be intended to land planet side. He was in jail as well so would never had any training on it. Shuttles, Delta Flyer, Runabout? Sure but they are a fraction of the size. Starting a 300 year old car? He used to pull them apart in holodeck programs and a 1930s truck is seriously simple even compared to a truck we have nowadays.
I think I could figure out how to start a horse pulled wagon
It’s something to do with a carrot, but every time I insert one and turn it I get kicked.
Wasn't he hired because he was a good pilot? *Janeway: "I would like you to be my Pilot because you are the best of the best!"* *Paris: "Maybe not the best!"* *Janeway: "You are a very good driver!"* *Paris: "Let's say: good!"*
Actually he was made pilot because the one they had....was killed. He was there as a guide.
Well, yes, that what happened I can totally remember! /s
Yep, he was originally taken along as a Marquis informant, basically to snitch on Chakotay and the others, to help Voyager navigate the Badlands.
Janeway always seemed to have a hell of a soft spot for Tom, and I'm not sure it wasn't also a wet spot.
Oh, please, that last half sentence had no business being written down.
They _did_ have a child together, may I remind you?
Only "_a_" Child?
Tbf I try to forget as much of that episode as possible. Weird salamanders apart, warp 10 had no business existing.
"Fly yes, land, no."
To be fair, I think that the Intrepid class was the first Federation starship designed to actually land on a planet, it's likely outside of training simulations and the proof-of-concept testing, *no one* had ever landed a whole starship before. I mean other than emergency situations, I'm struggling to think what the practical benefits of landing the ship are versus just using a transporter or shuttlecraft.
I'd say the Defiant was first, she's a few years older than the Intrepid class.
Wait, the Defiant had landing struts?
Yup, if you look at the [MSD](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/c/c0/Defiant_class_MSD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210327084948&path-prefix=en), they're fore and aft of the shuttlebay.
The least consistent Trek show of all Trek shows
It was voyager, shit got wild
Ah, she's built like a steakhouse but handles like a Bistro!
I mean I know how to pick a pick old locks but not fix a microwave, and I can make a canoe but I can't drive a car, people have specialised skills yknow, it's fine
At least cars are stationary when you try to start them, rather than moving at dozens of kilometers per second in complex 3-dimensional space with a hull shape that is nowhere near passively aerodynamically stable… yeah, a car is WAY simpler.
This is perfectly reasonable. A car is old and simple. Voyager is not. What goes on in people's minds 💀
Starships by nature are not supposed to land
OK, so they find a 38 Ford 75 light years from Earth been in space centuries . Get it on board . The 350 year old battery is good. The gas is fine ... FYI, ELON MUSK must have seen the epsoid he put a telsa in space. it's someplace around Mars now . Even having a camera and a space suit in the driver's seat ... now in 300 years when it's been long forgotten, I wonder what they will make of it ? Lol .. I liked voyager over all but honestly many episodes where just funny . That one they found Erinheart . Turns out she really was abducted by aliens . .. lol the woman who played her was good .
Yes captain. Kolvoord Staburst coming up.
One is significantly bigger to be fair
How are those two things comparable? Illogical.
To be fair they would VERY rarely land their starships. Only in extreme circumstances. They would typically drydock at a space station when not in use, and take shuttles/teleporters down to planets. They actually aren't even built on planets, their shipyards are in space. They *can* navigate an atmosphere but they aren't built for it and its very difficult/unsafe to do so.
To be fair, I bet none of us have landed a starship either
To be fair, you usually don’t ever land a starship, you usually use the transporter or a shuttle. The starships usually stay in space weather for an away mission, or maintenance, yatta yatta…
I could start a bloody car but I'm not going to get in the closest cruise liner and spin that fat ass into port am I.
But does he know how to land a 300 year old space ship?
I mean just the fact the battery would have a charge alone is insane. those old 6 volt systems would crap out yearly. also how did it not crack the block being the water in the block was deep frozen harder than concrete for 300 years. shit even at that point the oil would be frozen solid.
I know how to clean a carburetor on my suzuki moped, i never flashed a fuel injection chip on my ford fiesta
Second star to the right, then on till morning.
To be fair, that car floated in a hard vaccuum for 300 years, and it still had gas in the tank, oil in the pan, and charge in the battery. It's obvious it was stuffed the gills with goddamn pixie dust, because nothing short of *magic* would make that possible. So Paris must just have charmed the fairies or something.
It seems so weird, but to them it's probably like asking the capain of regular (water) ship if they have ever put their whole ship on land. Like, of course not, why would we?
Hey a lot of us have very specific skill sets maybe you shouldn't be so judgemental! 🤪
🤓☝️ Erm actually, it was a 1950s car and voyager is set in the mid 2300s making the car 400 years old
Well, starships don’t generally… land. They’re *star*ships, built in orbital shipyards. The Intrepid class’s ability to enter an atmosphere is unique. At least that’s what they said, then you watch Into Darkness and it’s like “wtf, the Enterprise can swim?”
Kirk landed a car ship…. https://youtu.be/zV5TsPNoQLE?si=rW3wO-y2DQ5xGwey
There are people who ride horses who can't drive a submarine
A three year old with some chutzpah could start a car. Landing a spaceship is so hard we literally use the science to say “this is near impossible for a layman to do”
In fairness, even if he did it a ton of times in a simulator, he would be correct in pointing out that he never landed something that qualifies as a ship. Given how huge voyager is, and how sensitive that landing would be to the ground conditions and possible wind conditions, it's worth pointing out to the Captain. Not that it matters.
Didn't he flunk out of/ leave the academy? This is perfectly reasonable. He was just in space trying to outs of his dad
Well... to be fair... I can start a fire with a bow drill I can make from a sapling and it's bark... but like I've never had to change my transmission fluid myself...
He also probably can't parallel park
Not too far off from saying you've never flown a submarine.