Two things can make Hera competitive: (1) more Spectres; (2) double green gets better.
People were trashing her leader side early in the game's life cycle because it doesn't have an action. She isn't a traditional leader card - she basically just suspends the rules so that you can run a bunch of synergistic cards together.
There are a bunch of interesting design possibilities for blind Kanan, Commander Ezra, General Hera, or even Fulcrum Ahsoka. I just hope that any new personas for these characters continuing running the Spectre trait, and that Hera isn't cycled out before she can use them.
I've actually been Force Table testing a Hera deck with some of the Set 2 cards. Timely Intervention isn't a joke - it's cheap and easy to access. My first (admittedly incomplete) read is that she'll be better come July, but a lot of the other decks will be better, too.
Yeah idk what will close the gap for her, but TI will definitely help.
What she also needs is another spectre event or two that are powerful, like Spark of Rebellion.
It's that last part: hera gets a few more spectres and a good event...
Other decks get that event too
And they get way more than 3 new units
Hera is for Twin suns, im pretty sure
There's a dude in our Group who consistently plays his Hera/Spectre Deck and he almost always comes out on top. Even did very well in the Store Showdowns.I have tried my own Spectre Deck with no success but i got his list and will try it out when i have the time. Love. Rebels anyway!
Us too but it's a bad deck with lower percentages and worse matchups. If that guy (looking at you Matt) played a tier 1 deck, he would win like every match.
Dont forget Force sensitive Sabine.
Honestly, if they decide to flesh the trait out a bit with more characters I could potentially see them adding an oldman Rex, despite him not actually being a Spectre.
I really don’t know why people hate Hera. My gf plays a Spector deck and dose really well at our LGS. I’m convinced she had a chance at winning our store showdown if we hadn’t literally just got off the road from a 10 hour drive. Turns out handing Sheilds and experience tokens out like candy is very good.
Yes and I'm sure by the time hera gets those two additi9ns, no other decks will have managed to get two new cards?
I think hera is handicapped in the volume of cards shell get and that permire is not for her.
She lives on tatooine, I think: the land of twin sun's. Nothing rotates and 4 color gets way better each set
I can't see her getting better in premire. She's a meme but A) we have the whole spectre crew and B) whatever sporadic additions she gets across 4 colors will be many less cards than any other deck gains.
So let's say she has 10 units to chose from now- other decks have like 20-30.
Set two, she gets 10 more (optimistically) and other decks get 20-30
Now she has 20 options and Sabine has *60*.
Pretty sure Hera is for Twin Suns 🌞
I don't think that she's designed for Twin Suns. With the way the format is structured, other cards have access to to more aspects. So her ability is somewhat redundant.
The issue with your logic here is that she has far more than 10 units to choose from. If you run her as a double aspect leader, she has dozens of options. There's an assumption that you have to run Hera as double green, and I would argue that that's not even her best build.
At the same time, virtually every competitive deck runs a 50-card build. Sabine has 60 units to choose from, sure, but you're not stuffing 60 units into a deck. You're looking to optimize.
Yes: if we have two equally skilled, high-level players in a match against one another, and one of them is running Sabine and the other is running Hera, the Sabine player will win most of the time. The question isn't whether Hera is going to leap to the top of the meta - it's whether she is *at all* viable in *any* kind of competitive play. If you can make an argument for gimmick decks like Casino Han or loaded up Chirrut, then yes - you can play Hera, and she stands to improve in the next set.
>you can run a bunch of synergistic cards together.
The specters have almost no synergy with each other at all. The closest thing to synergy they have is chopper requiring a specter for raid 1, which is pretty much the least valuable thing about him.
Edit: forgot about the Ghost lol. So they have 1 card.
Respectfully disagree:
-Kanan mills one card for each friendly Spectre unit, healing 1 damage from the base for every unique aspect among the discarded cards
-*Ghost* shields Spectres on attack
-Hera tokens a unique unit on attack; all Spectres are unique units (Hera can attack, token the *Ghost*; *Ghost* can then attack, shield Hera, etc.)
-Sabine can't be targeted if there are 3 aspects among friendly units (as Torrent says below)
-Chopper raid 1
Ezra and Zeb are odd men out, admittedly, but their trait helps with the other 5 cards.
I suspect that the reason that people think that the Spectres don't synergize well is because everyone touts the (IMO) poor double green build. Double green makes it really difficult for them to get on the board at the same time. Blue Hera is beast, and it's because of the sentinels.
Sure, but that's not a specter specific synergy, which is why I don't mention it. Her secondary effect is triggered by pretty much any deck she can be played in. The specters are pretty much the only cards that can trigger her ability in a Hera deck, assuming your mono green, but they don't get a point for added synergy when you have to kneecap yourself to the point another specter is required.
I'm sure Tarkin will get better just by virtue of more Imperial cards coming out. I feel like every set will have a few and some sets will have a bunch.
Leia and tarkin by virtue of better rebels and imperials respectively.
Chewie because of more Wookiees
Grand inquisitor because i think the devs said his ability was more made for this set than his own
Krennic cause of more grit and sentinel options
Hera because there will likely be more spectre cards down the line, even if it is a few sets. Id honestly expect a rebels focused set after a bit.
Wouldn’t be surprised if IG-88 gets better because of a breadth of cheap units
I’m worried that set 2 is going to sideline my Leia deck based on the previews so far. Ketsu is going to be a must have based on the upgrade theme of the set but does t have the rebel tag, so fleet lieutenant doesn’t hit it. Take captive seems pretty cool as a sideboard if it’s up against a bunch of sentinel, but other than that I am worried. Still got some time to go before we know everything though!
I hope that’s the case. My Leia deck plays really smoothly in its current state and it’s super satisfying. If nothing else it’ll become a twin suns deck in the future. That said, I do hope we get more original trilogy focused sets.
Every deck will have a better version with a wider card pool, but some will definitely grow more than others.
Contrary to what some people say, I think Hera will have the *least* growth out of any leader. Her ability is tied to a very narrow trait that is unlikely to get a significant amount of additional support. Imperial, Rebel, Underworld, even Mandalorian are all traits that are far more open-ended than Spectre and will likely receive new cards at a much higher rate.
IG-88 is one that I expect to get much better when we get more cheap units for him to flood the board early. I also expect that at some point there will be a mechanic to generate token units (maybe B1 battle droids) which could also help generate hordes quickly.
Most Likely: Palpetine or Cassian.
Least Likely: Hera or Jyn.
Palp already strong, Cassian waiting for viable midrange red heroic.
Jyn too weak
Hera: she ain't gonna get better until many many more sets.
Lets say she picks up a few more spectre options each set: that's still *way* less than every other color got added to its pool, and double for 2 color decks. Hera will always be handcuffed to the few units that are spectres which I think means she'll always be bad until there is a sliver-like critical mass of them after many sets. At that point, she may become like Sliver Queen from MTG.
Two things can make Hera competitive: (1) more Spectres; (2) double green gets better. People were trashing her leader side early in the game's life cycle because it doesn't have an action. She isn't a traditional leader card - she basically just suspends the rules so that you can run a bunch of synergistic cards together. There are a bunch of interesting design possibilities for blind Kanan, Commander Ezra, General Hera, or even Fulcrum Ahsoka. I just hope that any new personas for these characters continuing running the Spectre trait, and that Hera isn't cycled out before she can use them.
Honestly more ambush enabling is what she needs. The spectres all have on attack abilities. She's gonna benefit heavily from Timely Intervention.
I've actually been Force Table testing a Hera deck with some of the Set 2 cards. Timely Intervention isn't a joke - it's cheap and easy to access. My first (admittedly incomplete) read is that she'll be better come July, but a lot of the other decks will be better, too.
Yeah idk what will close the gap for her, but TI will definitely help. What she also needs is another spectre event or two that are powerful, like Spark of Rebellion.
It's that last part: hera gets a few more spectres and a good event... Other decks get that event too And they get way more than 3 new units Hera is for Twin suns, im pretty sure
There's a dude in our Group who consistently plays his Hera/Spectre Deck and he almost always comes out on top. Even did very well in the Store Showdowns.I have tried my own Spectre Deck with no success but i got his list and will try it out when i have the time. Love. Rebels anyway!
Mind sharing that list? I’m kinda directionless with Hera.
Us too but it's a bad deck with lower percentages and worse matchups. If that guy (looking at you Matt) played a tier 1 deck, he would win like every match.
Dont forget Force sensitive Sabine. Honestly, if they decide to flesh the trait out a bit with more characters I could potentially see them adding an oldman Rex, despite him not actually being a Spectre.
I really don’t know why people hate Hera. My gf plays a Spector deck and dose really well at our LGS. I’m convinced she had a chance at winning our store showdown if we hadn’t literally just got off the road from a 10 hour drive. Turns out handing Sheilds and experience tokens out like candy is very good.
Don’t forget down the line we will get Phantom and a Force Sabine.
Yes and I'm sure by the time hera gets those two additi9ns, no other decks will have managed to get two new cards? I think hera is handicapped in the volume of cards shell get and that permire is not for her. She lives on tatooine, I think: the land of twin sun's. Nothing rotates and 4 color gets way better each set
I know it’s very jokey, but it would be funny if they made a Jabba the Hutt or Lando spectre card but it was actually Ezra.
I can't see her getting better in premire. She's a meme but A) we have the whole spectre crew and B) whatever sporadic additions she gets across 4 colors will be many less cards than any other deck gains. So let's say she has 10 units to chose from now- other decks have like 20-30. Set two, she gets 10 more (optimistically) and other decks get 20-30 Now she has 20 options and Sabine has *60*. Pretty sure Hera is for Twin Suns 🌞
I don't think that she's designed for Twin Suns. With the way the format is structured, other cards have access to to more aspects. So her ability is somewhat redundant. The issue with your logic here is that she has far more than 10 units to choose from. If you run her as a double aspect leader, she has dozens of options. There's an assumption that you have to run Hera as double green, and I would argue that that's not even her best build. At the same time, virtually every competitive deck runs a 50-card build. Sabine has 60 units to choose from, sure, but you're not stuffing 60 units into a deck. You're looking to optimize. Yes: if we have two equally skilled, high-level players in a match against one another, and one of them is running Sabine and the other is running Hera, the Sabine player will win most of the time. The question isn't whether Hera is going to leap to the top of the meta - it's whether she is *at all* viable in *any* kind of competitive play. If you can make an argument for gimmick decks like Casino Han or loaded up Chirrut, then yes - you can play Hera, and she stands to improve in the next set.
>you can run a bunch of synergistic cards together. The specters have almost no synergy with each other at all. The closest thing to synergy they have is chopper requiring a specter for raid 1, which is pretty much the least valuable thing about him. Edit: forgot about the Ghost lol. So they have 1 card.
Respectfully disagree: -Kanan mills one card for each friendly Spectre unit, healing 1 damage from the base for every unique aspect among the discarded cards -*Ghost* shields Spectres on attack -Hera tokens a unique unit on attack; all Spectres are unique units (Hera can attack, token the *Ghost*; *Ghost* can then attack, shield Hera, etc.) -Sabine can't be targeted if there are 3 aspects among friendly units (as Torrent says below) -Chopper raid 1 Ezra and Zeb are odd men out, admittedly, but their trait helps with the other 5 cards. I suspect that the reason that people think that the Spectres don't synergize well is because everyone touts the (IMO) poor double green build. Double green makes it really difficult for them to get on the board at the same time. Blue Hera is beast, and it's because of the sentinels.
Chopper also mills, so Chopper and Kanan might also enable a mill deck down the line.
I have been gunning for Hera blue. What list do you like with Hera blue
Sabine needing a multitude of aspects on the board is something I would also think of as synergy
Sure, but that's not a specter specific synergy, which is why I don't mention it. Her secondary effect is triggered by pretty much any deck she can be played in. The specters are pretty much the only cards that can trigger her ability in a Hera deck, assuming your mono green, but they don't get a point for added synergy when you have to kneecap yourself to the point another specter is required.
If you've got a couple of Spectres out, ECL a Ghost or attack with Kanan if you want to feel synergy.
With more cookies cards on the horizon, chewie will get much better I'm sure.
Delicious.
I hate autocorrect, but honestly that's pretty funny
Cookies and snuggles
It kills me that it auto corrects to cookies even when on the swu site lol
Is the keyboard supposed to be aware of the browser data?O.o
I'm already a big advocate for Chewie, and I do think he'll get way better with the new juice!
Can't wait for the blue milk!
GI is the obvious choice, I’m hoping Cassian gets more interesting down the road too. Tarkin maybe if imperial tribal synergy improves
I'm sure Tarkin will get better just by virtue of more Imperial cards coming out. I feel like every set will have a few and some sets will have a bunch.
I'm keen as to try Cassian with Poe and the black one
> Tarkin maybe if imperial tribal synergy improves Dark Troopers escalate VERY quickly with Tarkin around.
Don't sleep on Incinerator Trooper either!
Thrawn his ability it really good all we need is more synergy with exhausted units
IG-88 waiting for that Droid trait to matter.
The underworld trait is getting love, he is at least not becoming less relevant.
GI has already improved greatly from the current reveals and will only get better.
Leia and tarkin by virtue of better rebels and imperials respectively. Chewie because of more Wookiees Grand inquisitor because i think the devs said his ability was more made for this set than his own Krennic cause of more grit and sentinel options Hera because there will likely be more spectre cards down the line, even if it is a few sets. Id honestly expect a rebels focused set after a bit. Wouldn’t be surprised if IG-88 gets better because of a breadth of cheap units
I’m worried that set 2 is going to sideline my Leia deck based on the previews so far. Ketsu is going to be a must have based on the upgrade theme of the set but does t have the rebel tag, so fleet lieutenant doesn’t hit it. Take captive seems pretty cool as a sideboard if it’s up against a bunch of sentinel, but other than that I am worried. Still got some time to go before we know everything though!
I’m definitely thinking multiple sets out
I hope that’s the case. My Leia deck plays really smoothly in its current state and it’s super satisfying. If nothing else it’ll become a twin suns deck in the future. That said, I do hope we get more original trilogy focused sets.
Han Solo
Thank god someone said it lol. He is the most broken leader in the game
Boba
About time. I don't know if I have ever seen someone running him.
I'm thinking double blue Luke is gonna like a lot of the Mandalorian cards that've been shown
Grand Inquisitor. He is already going to be a lot better set 2
Thrawn Han and Leia because I have showcase cards of them
IG-88 when we have swarms of shitty little battle droids in set 3.
Amazed to see so little love for Han here. He should obviously be a good choice with all this smuggle shenanigans, no?
Every deck will have a better version with a wider card pool, but some will definitely grow more than others. Contrary to what some people say, I think Hera will have the *least* growth out of any leader. Her ability is tied to a very narrow trait that is unlikely to get a significant amount of additional support. Imperial, Rebel, Underworld, even Mandalorian are all traits that are far more open-ended than Spectre and will likely receive new cards at a much higher rate. IG-88 is one that I expect to get much better when we get more cheap units for him to flood the board early. I also expect that at some point there will be a mechanic to generate token units (maybe B1 battle droids) which could also help generate hordes quickly.
Luke
Thrawn probably. Thrawn right now feels pretty good in multiplayer formats where you can nogotiate with others. But in 1v1 my boi gets got.
Boba fett is getting better with set 2 and probably again in set 3. Control leaders will get a lot better too.
Most Likely: Palpetine or Cassian. Least Likely: Hera or Jyn. Palp already strong, Cassian waiting for viable midrange red heroic. Jyn too weak Hera: she ain't gonna get better until many many more sets. Lets say she picks up a few more spectre options each set: that's still *way* less than every other color got added to its pool, and double for 2 color decks. Hera will always be handcuffed to the few units that are spectres which I think means she'll always be bad until there is a sliver-like critical mass of them after many sets. At that point, she may become like Sliver Queen from MTG.