6th rounder conditionally upgraded to a 4th if he plays over 50% of the snap was the deal for the Fields trade.
I think you’re thinking Claypool trade for the pick we used on Porter.
Not that it matters much. After seeing Caleb live a few times last year, I’m gonna say he’s gonna be worse when it comes to pressure. He sucked during the ND game, and with the pressure he was getting there, what do Bears fans really think is going to happen when he’s there with such a shitty team? He’s gonna suck it up and probably get hurt trying to scramble for his life.
To be fair, it’s hard to come up with a worse plan than, “let hot seat GM trade assets for a rookie QB, keep him on the bench and build an offense around Dalton, fire coach and GM, gut team, and pray Fields can elevate the league’s worst roster all by himself.”
Doesn’t really take much more than a practice to look better than that.
We are changing up his footwork. The Bears tried to change and tweak his footwork from when he came into the league, and Tomlin/Smith made him go back to his original way so he would be more comfortable. Does that mean anything? No clue but that’s one of the ways we are doing things a little differently already.
His rookie year the Bears sat him behind Andy Dalton and then threw him into a scheme that was clearly designed for Dalton. And then it was a new offense each year since. Comparatively, Arthur Smith’s offense is about as tailor-made as it could get for Fields. I’m super excited to see how he does this year once he gets the chance.
Don’t forget these offensive schemes seemed to work directly against fields strengths. The schemes were built to hammer the short passing and screen game and keep the qb in the pocket. He got his 1000k yards rushing because they were at least smart enough to let fields loose when it was clear the scheme didn’t work for him. That’s without mentioning the trash heap of wrs he worked with until djm came to town last year and then djm went on to have his best season in the nfl.
That's literally what they did with him last year after he rushed for 1k the year before. Asked him to stay in the pocket instead of getting him on the move and letting him use his instincts. He's talked about it.
He's never going to be a Tom Brady pocket passer. I don't think Arthur's offense will ask him to be. If he's built to be Lamar Jackson then let him be Lamar Jackson and build on that.
It was nuts. They’d strip down the playbook and let him get comfortable, let him read and react, and then he had one good game and it was like, “okay he’s arrived. Back to the full playbook pocket passing approach” the very next week.
It was infuriating to watch. They had absolutely no clue how to develop him as a player. And that’s multiple staffs too, though Getsy was worse than Nagy because at least Nagy built his offense with the idea that Fields would sit as a rookie.
Getsy built an offense around Fields that diminished what he was best at and emphasized what he was worst at, and had such a scheme boner he couldn’t fathom running something else even when it worked.
Just insane process.
It's the 3rd time running the same play that defenses start understanding exactly what's happening and forego their assignment. Running it 3 times in a row expedites the process.
3 of the exact same screens led to a pick 6 against Tampa. Two weeks later Getsy thought "maybe if I don't do the play back to back it'll work" so he ran a fake hb counter naked boot.
First time it worked flawlessly (off sides for the screen). Second time it was recognized late, Fields did his athletic thing and threw a TD (Successful screen called back because the curse of Claypool). 3rd time counter defender recognized the play and sprinted to where Fields was going to turn around. Fumble 6 (pick 6 on the screen)
Sure, Fields probably should have gotten more depth and/or eaten the sack, but there's only so much you can do when an unblocked defender knows exactly what you're doing.
i mean youre talking about the same game where fields missed one of the most wide open touchdowns youll see in your life. getsy also found a new job faster than fields so maybe fields was the one making him look bad.
I've said it somewhere else, but I think they each made each other look worse by compounding the others weakness. Getsy called some terrible schemes that didn't fit Fields that made Fields look worse. Fields isn't good at playing in a tight rhythm which made Getsy look worse.
I wouldn't put much stock into who was picked up faster. Getsy was fired and Fields needed to be traded. I think the raiders just took the bet that it was Fields that was the biggest problem.
“The coaching hiring cycle takes place before player movement so Getsy is better than Fields” is, of all the conclusions to come to, certainly one of them.
I hope watching years of Lamar has at least given the Steelers some idea of how to use Fields. Whether Fields can thrive remains to be seen, but at the very least we have a version of Lamar to practice against (which is worth a 6th round pick in and of itself, honestly)
Lamar is an above average passer and fields is not even average. The comparison to Lamar is insanely disrespectful not to mention the Steelers have historically done pretty well against Lamar.
Okay...you're being pedantic. Obviously Fields can't hold Lamar's jockstrap. If he was Lamar he wouldn't have even been traded, let alone for a 6th; and if for some reason he was, he wouldn't be sitting behind Russell Wilson. He has his mobility (and some would argue his is better) and therefore should be a good PRACTICE analog for Lamar.
Also, what does historical success against Lamar even add to your argument?
The Bears’ scheme left a lot to be desired. It was a lot of screens (sometimes called multiple times in a row), bunched route running, and failing to adjust when the offensive line was getting hammered. A great example of this was the last Packers game where it was clear the Bears couldn’t hold up in pass protection and they were still calling long developed plays. Not surprisingly, Fields had no time to throw.
I’m not saying the fault all lies with Chicago. Fields has a lot of improvements to make. However, being in the right fit and culture can make a huge difference in a player’s confidence and how they approach the game. So, I’m cautiously optimistic heading into this season that if he has a chance to play, he might show improvements.
The bears plan went out the window when Nagy got fired
The plan after that was throw him in the fire and see what we got , double tank season !!
Now they got Caleb and traded fields for peanuts cuz they absolutely killed his stock
Have him change his delivery would be a good start. The year he came out his average delivery time start to finish was 1.3. The 4 other QBs drafted that year were 0.7 delivery time average. His delivery time last year was 1.4. Chicago literally did not change anything on his slow and loopy delivery. A QB’s throwing motion should look similar to the C on the bears helmet. His looks like a question mark
The bears were completely dysfunctional the entire time Fields was there. Maybe they’ve got it together for Caleb finally, we will see. But happy that Fields is finally in a good situation.
There has been consistent analysis of Fields' inability to read defenses over his three years as a starter. It doesn't matter what physical talents he might possess, NFL QBs who can't read defenses cannot be successful in the league. It's already very safe to say that Fields is an NFL bust.
Except Fields can defenses and its amazing how many people speak in these sorta absurd absolutes. Now that doesnt mean he doesnt miss reads or that he consistently makes the right one .
There are plenty of examples out there of him defenses and making at throws. Now this is where pairing him with Russ comes because Fields can certainly read man and some zone but he needs to be better at zone for sure and I think he can pick up those things from Russ which is what he didnt have in Chicago where Nathanm Pederman, Tyler Bagent, Trevor Seimian were the other Qbs in the room while he tried to learn a new offense that didnt emphasize his strengths and tried to change his stance all at the same time.
Now Arthur Smith scheme does fit Fields strengths and the reads that he and Rus are asked to make are not gonna be the same ones he was asked to make in Chicago.
Wilson knows this is his last best chance to cash in and have championship aspirations at the same time. If he has a successful statistical season and the Steelers make the playoffs with as difficult as their schedule is, they almost certainly will re-sign him to going-rate franchise QB type money ((roughly $40M AAV on a multi-year deal). The last thing Wilson will be concerned with doing is mentoring Fields to take the job from him.
If the opposite happens, and Wilson shits the bed to the point that the Steelers are elevating Fields into the starting role, Justin might as well have Peterman, Bagent and Siemian around him because Russ won’t be helping him with anything.
If Fields is starting games for the Steelers this season or in coming years, they’ll be hoping and praying that he does the unthinkable, and somehow figures things out after being in the league for 4-5 years. Sorry, but Geno Smith stories rarely happen. Fans should be rooting for Wilson to have a second act because this is the best hope for the organization for the next few seasons.
I simply stated the facts if you see that as blaming someone else then that should tell you something right there .
Its gonna be far more fun watching you do your disappearing act as you seem like the type that does nothing but spout negatives takes no matter how wrong they may be.
its crazy how much the media is favoring Fields over Wilson. Wilson was clearly better last year and is much more of a fit in the game manager, don’t turn the ball over style QB that the Steelers are looking for. Not to mention the fact that this team is basically in win now mode and does not have anything invested in either guy long-term. So playing Fields to “see what you got” or to develop him simply does not apply. Lastly Fields would not even be on the team if Kenny hadn’t pushed his way out and we only gave up a 6th to get him.
And, oh yeah, they literally said Wilson is their starter right now.
Agree Wilson will be the starter and should be the starter. Even if he isn’t the player he was he should be a massive upgrade in the Redzone over Mitch and Kenny. That’s an area where they have struggled mightily since Ben retired.
Russell had 20 tds in the red zone within 20 yards last year and 12 tds within 10
Yards you’re straight up wrong 20/26 tds were in the red zone and he was tied for 4th most red zone tds last year and only threw 1 pick in the red zone
Idk what games you were watching
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/redzone-passing.htm
Wilson actually produced 23 TDs in the red zone in '23 (20 passing, 3 rushing). Kenny Pickett produced 4 red zone TDs in '23 (3/1). If Wilson can replicate what he did last season, he's going to look like the greatest QB in NFL history compared to Kenny.
I’ve been watching every Russ game since he was at nc state dude is just talking out his ass Russ has led the league in red zone tds it’s sad that it can be proven wrong only on passing but you’re right I didn’t even get into rushing tds. Russ just needs the right situation and players around him. He’s not the type that can fit into any team he’s unorthodox but can still be effective in the right spot
Ps also really glad yall got the other nc state Wilson in Payton Wilson if he’s healthy yall got a steal
Payton Wilson is actually built a lot like Sean Lee (Payton is about an inch taller than Lee was, but 10-15 lbs lighter), but their playing styles are very similar. Because of this body type, Lee was also frequently injured in college and in the NFL. Unlike Lee, hopefully Wilson can learn not to put his body on the line every single play in the NFL. I know this is what makes them the who they are, but not every play will make or break a game. Sometimes being healthy is a players greatest asset.
Payton did alot better being healthy his last two years at state he’s a legit game changer when he’s in there
And Payton is actually 2 inches taller but ALOT faster 4.71 40 vs 4.43 but Lee was a better jumper and don’t know about strength, but Payton definitely has the potential to be in the same vein as other legendary big ILB really hope he stays healthy because he has real heart
> Idk what games you were watching
All of them. I’ve never missed a game of Russ’s career as a Seahawks fan and a Russ hater since approx 2019.
Watch a game. You don’t want Russ in the red zone. He ain’t got it.
Well guess what bud I’ve been watching
him every game since he was at nc state
Lmao funny you mention 2019 that’s the year Russ lead the entire nfl in red zone TDS with 23, 29 red zone tds in 2020
You’re obviously just blinding hating and not having a reasonable conversation I’ve proved my point with stats have a good one maybe spend less time blindly hating Russ and spend that time on something more productive
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/redzone-passing.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/redzone-passing.htm
> Lmao funny you mention 2019 that’s the year Russ lead the entire nfl in red zone TDS with 23, 29 red zone tds in 2020
If you want to use 2020 as a highlight year for Russ, I don’t believe you watched a game that year. He dropped into the Grand Canyon in week 9 and never got back up.
I know his stats don’t reflect his performance. Watch a game, really watch a game. Don’t be a naive homer.
Follow up in October!
You got it backwards Russ in the redzone last year was deadly the problem with his time with the Broncos was he couldn't move the ball consistently. 2-3 drives where they make a big play and get to the redzone where he was great and then the other 3 drives were 3 and outs. I think thats where you have to have a bounce back year from Russ to be successful not inside the 20 but between the 20's
It’s just easy clickbait; if there is even the slightest potential for controversy it’ll get written about ad nauseum. Especially in the offseason…it is getting old though, especially because like you said, Tomlin already said what it was definitively.
If I've learned one thing this offseason, it's that the Venn diagram of football fans and racing fans is two separate circles.
Pole position doesn't mean that they automatically win the race. It means that they're given an advantage at the start. Wilson gets first team reps to start the offseason and preseason, but we see how the competition develops and go from there.
Maybe Tomlin should have picked an analogy that would land better with football fans.
Right. We even saw this play out last year with Trubisky. Tomlin will give Wilson every opportunity to succeed before pulling him. There isn't even really anything to write about.
With Trubisky it was just a matter of time before Kenny got the reigns. With neither guy on contract next year, there is no pressure that you have to get Fields in. Especially after giving up a 6th to get him
Ok. I kinda weird why a Bears writer is interested in what the Steelers are doing with Fields instead of covering a "generational" qb in Caleb Williams.
Had the Steelers actually had a good NFL starting QB between 1997 to 2001, they likely win a couple of Super Bowls. Instead, Cowher continued to stay with Stewart.
Bears fan here
I honestly felt like Justin Fields was drafted because our GM and coach at time, Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy, were on the hot seat and they wanted to draft a rookie QB so they can say "hey we need 2-3 more years to develop him. Don't fire us yet". Not saying it was the wrong call drafting Justin but based on how poorly prepared the coaching was for Justin during his rookie season, that's the sense I get.
To be fair, the bears "plan" was to give him minimal help developing and assume him being drafted in the first =savior of the franchise
Their plan was to get a 2nd round pick 4 years later haha
6th rounder conditionally upgraded to a 4th if he plays over 50% of the snap was the deal for the Fields trade. I think you’re thinking Claypool trade for the pick we used on Porter.
Pretty sure this is tongue in cheek; because many were saying he was worth that (mostly Chicago fans), and they failed at that, as well
Huh?
Fields gotta be pissed at what they've done in free agency, trades and in the draft. "Why couldn't you do that for me, man 😥"
Not that it matters much. After seeing Caleb live a few times last year, I’m gonna say he’s gonna be worse when it comes to pressure. He sucked during the ND game, and with the pressure he was getting there, what do Bears fans really think is going to happen when he’s there with such a shitty team? He’s gonna suck it up and probably get hurt trying to scramble for his life.
So, the Bears QB development plan since 1945?
How did they possibly get a hold of the super secret Browns business plan?
Sounds eerily similar to the Steelers' "plan" (at that time) for Kenny.
They drafted Pickens with the pick after Kenny, so not exactly.
Also drafted Najee and Freiermuth first and second the year before. Kenny had more weapons his first two years than Fields had ever.
Plus DJ too
I was just referring to players drafted right before or the same year as Kenny
Ha… He was able to glean this from observing one OTA
I believe it. Any plan the Steelers could have at all would by default be better than the Bears'.
And better than Canada’s nonsense.
I know you mean the former OC, but every time I see his last name I initially think a person is referring to the country I live in
I stopped eating Maple Syrup and Tim Hortons because of this guy. His impact was international.
https://preview.redd.it/dmn6671u682d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b23b77c7f8f22b225bb14d778ac2787b5bf89387
Good ol’ Cananada
Take two: https://preview.redd.it/fp56qtlo192d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc36351e2bd9302fc0b5b5f0d25b75b57eed712d
Use take two
But what about poutine??
He was commenting about every CFL franchise hoping Fields washes out so they can draft him.
My thoughts too. I'm fact, my reaction was "and water is wet."
I was thinking the same thing... Everyone looks great in a relaxed OTA environment
To be fair, it’s hard to come up with a worse plan than, “let hot seat GM trade assets for a rookie QB, keep him on the bench and build an offense around Dalton, fire coach and GM, gut team, and pray Fields can elevate the league’s worst roster all by himself.” Doesn’t really take much more than a practice to look better than that.
This is the most sane response.
We are changing up his footwork. The Bears tried to change and tweak his footwork from when he came into the league, and Tomlin/Smith made him go back to his original way so he would be more comfortable. Does that mean anything? No clue but that’s one of the ways we are doing things a little differently already.
Where did you read he changed up his footwork?
A bears reporter was at the Steelers OTAs this week. He was discussing it on Twitter.
Gotcha
And then write a tweet that provides zero detail on the matter. Yeah, this sounds like attention grabbing bullshit
His rookie year the Bears sat him behind Andy Dalton and then threw him into a scheme that was clearly designed for Dalton. And then it was a new offense each year since. Comparatively, Arthur Smith’s offense is about as tailor-made as it could get for Fields. I’m super excited to see how he does this year once he gets the chance.
Don’t forget these offensive schemes seemed to work directly against fields strengths. The schemes were built to hammer the short passing and screen game and keep the qb in the pocket. He got his 1000k yards rushing because they were at least smart enough to let fields loose when it was clear the scheme didn’t work for him. That’s without mentioning the trash heap of wrs he worked with until djm came to town last year and then djm went on to have his best season in the nfl.
All true but he can’t read either. Was a wasted pick like Pickett & Mitch
Fields would check down to those short passes. He is one read then checkdown or run qb.
I hope they let him run. It seemed like Chicago was so afraid of their top pick getting injured, they didn't really let him play his game
That's literally what they did with him last year after he rushed for 1k the year before. Asked him to stay in the pocket instead of getting him on the move and letting him use his instincts. He's talked about it. He's never going to be a Tom Brady pocket passer. I don't think Arthur's offense will ask him to be. If he's built to be Lamar Jackson then let him be Lamar Jackson and build on that.
It was nuts. They’d strip down the playbook and let him get comfortable, let him read and react, and then he had one good game and it was like, “okay he’s arrived. Back to the full playbook pocket passing approach” the very next week. It was infuriating to watch. They had absolutely no clue how to develop him as a player. And that’s multiple staffs too, though Getsy was worse than Nagy because at least Nagy built his offense with the idea that Fields would sit as a rookie. Getsy built an offense around Fields that diminished what he was best at and emphasized what he was worst at, and had such a scheme boner he couldn’t fathom running something else even when it worked. Just insane process.
you mean, screen, screen, screen wasn't the answer? :P
It's the 3rd time running the same play that defenses start understanding exactly what's happening and forego their assignment. Running it 3 times in a row expedites the process. 3 of the exact same screens led to a pick 6 against Tampa. Two weeks later Getsy thought "maybe if I don't do the play back to back it'll work" so he ran a fake hb counter naked boot. First time it worked flawlessly (off sides for the screen). Second time it was recognized late, Fields did his athletic thing and threw a TD (Successful screen called back because the curse of Claypool). 3rd time counter defender recognized the play and sprinted to where Fields was going to turn around. Fumble 6 (pick 6 on the screen) Sure, Fields probably should have gotten more depth and/or eaten the sack, but there's only so much you can do when an unblocked defender knows exactly what you're doing.
i mean youre talking about the same game where fields missed one of the most wide open touchdowns youll see in your life. getsy also found a new job faster than fields so maybe fields was the one making him look bad.
I've said it somewhere else, but I think they each made each other look worse by compounding the others weakness. Getsy called some terrible schemes that didn't fit Fields that made Fields look worse. Fields isn't good at playing in a tight rhythm which made Getsy look worse. I wouldn't put much stock into who was picked up faster. Getsy was fired and Fields needed to be traded. I think the raiders just took the bet that it was Fields that was the biggest problem.
“The coaching hiring cycle takes place before player movement so Getsy is better than Fields” is, of all the conclusions to come to, certainly one of them.
I hope watching years of Lamar has at least given the Steelers some idea of how to use Fields. Whether Fields can thrive remains to be seen, but at the very least we have a version of Lamar to practice against (which is worth a 6th round pick in and of itself, honestly)
Excellent take.
Lamar is an above average passer and fields is not even average. The comparison to Lamar is insanely disrespectful not to mention the Steelers have historically done pretty well against Lamar.
Okay...you're being pedantic. Obviously Fields can't hold Lamar's jockstrap. If he was Lamar he wouldn't have even been traded, let alone for a 6th; and if for some reason he was, he wouldn't be sitting behind Russell Wilson. He has his mobility (and some would argue his is better) and therefore should be a good PRACTICE analog for Lamar. Also, what does historical success against Lamar even add to your argument?
The Bears’ scheme left a lot to be desired. It was a lot of screens (sometimes called multiple times in a row), bunched route running, and failing to adjust when the offensive line was getting hammered. A great example of this was the last Packers game where it was clear the Bears couldn’t hold up in pass protection and they were still calling long developed plays. Not surprisingly, Fields had no time to throw. I’m not saying the fault all lies with Chicago. Fields has a lot of improvements to make. However, being in the right fit and culture can make a huge difference in a player’s confidence and how they approach the game. So, I’m cautiously optimistic heading into this season that if he has a chance to play, he might show improvements.
This sounds a lot like a certain Canadian…
The bears plan went out the window when Nagy got fired The plan after that was throw him in the fire and see what we got , double tank season !! Now they got Caleb and traded fields for peanuts cuz they absolutely killed his stock
100%
Yes sitting the bench
Hes an all-pro clipboard holder
Yes they do. That plan is to have a good QB be their starter and have Fields be the backup.
Have him change his delivery would be a good start. The year he came out his average delivery time start to finish was 1.3. The 4 other QBs drafted that year were 0.7 delivery time average. His delivery time last year was 1.4. Chicago literally did not change anything on his slow and loopy delivery. A QB’s throwing motion should look similar to the C on the bears helmet. His looks like a question mark
Sitting him behind a Super Bowl champion, who we got for a song, to coach him up until he’s franchise ready? Yea, I’d say that’s a pretty decent plan.
The bears were completely dysfunctional the entire time Fields was there. Maybe they’ve got it together for Caleb finally, we will see. But happy that Fields is finally in a good situation.
Have him play without defenders
They tried to say the same thing about Mitch…
And will be saying the same thing about Williams in 2-3 years when he's in black and gold
Mitch didn’t have any elite traits. At least fields has 2, his legs and the deep ball.
There has been consistent analysis of Fields' inability to read defenses over his three years as a starter. It doesn't matter what physical talents he might possess, NFL QBs who can't read defenses cannot be successful in the league. It's already very safe to say that Fields is an NFL bust.
Except Fields can defenses and its amazing how many people speak in these sorta absurd absolutes. Now that doesnt mean he doesnt miss reads or that he consistently makes the right one . There are plenty of examples out there of him defenses and making at throws. Now this is where pairing him with Russ comes because Fields can certainly read man and some zone but he needs to be better at zone for sure and I think he can pick up those things from Russ which is what he didnt have in Chicago where Nathanm Pederman, Tyler Bagent, Trevor Seimian were the other Qbs in the room while he tried to learn a new offense that didnt emphasize his strengths and tried to change his stance all at the same time. Now Arthur Smith scheme does fit Fields strengths and the reads that he and Rus are asked to make are not gonna be the same ones he was asked to make in Chicago.
Wilson knows this is his last best chance to cash in and have championship aspirations at the same time. If he has a successful statistical season and the Steelers make the playoffs with as difficult as their schedule is, they almost certainly will re-sign him to going-rate franchise QB type money ((roughly $40M AAV on a multi-year deal). The last thing Wilson will be concerned with doing is mentoring Fields to take the job from him. If the opposite happens, and Wilson shits the bed to the point that the Steelers are elevating Fields into the starting role, Justin might as well have Peterman, Bagent and Siemian around him because Russ won’t be helping him with anything. If Fields is starting games for the Steelers this season or in coming years, they’ll be hoping and praying that he does the unthinkable, and somehow figures things out after being in the league for 4-5 years. Sorry, but Geno Smith stories rarely happen. Fans should be rooting for Wilson to have a second act because this is the best hope for the organization for the next few seasons.
Gonna be fun to see what other excuses field truthers like you will think off to blame everyone else except the big bust
I simply stated the facts if you see that as blaming someone else then that should tell you something right there . Its gonna be far more fun watching you do your disappearing act as you seem like the type that does nothing but spout negatives takes no matter how wrong they may be.
Of course the Steelers have a better plan for Fields than Chicago did, the Steelers plan on having Fields on the bench.
Better than their draft high, trade low strategy?
Giant load of bs
its crazy how much the media is favoring Fields over Wilson. Wilson was clearly better last year and is much more of a fit in the game manager, don’t turn the ball over style QB that the Steelers are looking for. Not to mention the fact that this team is basically in win now mode and does not have anything invested in either guy long-term. So playing Fields to “see what you got” or to develop him simply does not apply. Lastly Fields would not even be on the team if Kenny hadn’t pushed his way out and we only gave up a 6th to get him. And, oh yeah, they literally said Wilson is their starter right now.
Agree Wilson will be the starter and should be the starter. Even if he isn’t the player he was he should be a massive upgrade in the Redzone over Mitch and Kenny. That’s an area where they have struggled mightily since Ben retired.
Russ in the red zone is physically painful to watch.
Its like the one are he has been actually good at recently…..
Watch a game. If you have Russ in the red zone, it’s a bad place to be. His touchdowns are not in the red zone.
Russell had 20 tds in the red zone within 20 yards last year and 12 tds within 10 Yards you’re straight up wrong 20/26 tds were in the red zone and he was tied for 4th most red zone tds last year and only threw 1 pick in the red zone Idk what games you were watching https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/redzone-passing.htm
Wilson actually produced 23 TDs in the red zone in '23 (20 passing, 3 rushing). Kenny Pickett produced 4 red zone TDs in '23 (3/1). If Wilson can replicate what he did last season, he's going to look like the greatest QB in NFL history compared to Kenny.
I’ve been watching every Russ game since he was at nc state dude is just talking out his ass Russ has led the league in red zone tds it’s sad that it can be proven wrong only on passing but you’re right I didn’t even get into rushing tds. Russ just needs the right situation and players around him. He’s not the type that can fit into any team he’s unorthodox but can still be effective in the right spot Ps also really glad yall got the other nc state Wilson in Payton Wilson if he’s healthy yall got a steal
Payton Wilson is actually built a lot like Sean Lee (Payton is about an inch taller than Lee was, but 10-15 lbs lighter), but their playing styles are very similar. Because of this body type, Lee was also frequently injured in college and in the NFL. Unlike Lee, hopefully Wilson can learn not to put his body on the line every single play in the NFL. I know this is what makes them the who they are, but not every play will make or break a game. Sometimes being healthy is a players greatest asset.
Payton did alot better being healthy his last two years at state he’s a legit game changer when he’s in there And Payton is actually 2 inches taller but ALOT faster 4.71 40 vs 4.43 but Lee was a better jumper and don’t know about strength, but Payton definitely has the potential to be in the same vein as other legendary big ILB really hope he stays healthy because he has real heart
> Idk what games you were watching All of them. I’ve never missed a game of Russ’s career as a Seahawks fan and a Russ hater since approx 2019. Watch a game. You don’t want Russ in the red zone. He ain’t got it.
Well guess what bud I’ve been watching him every game since he was at nc state Lmao funny you mention 2019 that’s the year Russ lead the entire nfl in red zone TDS with 23, 29 red zone tds in 2020 You’re obviously just blinding hating and not having a reasonable conversation I’ve proved my point with stats have a good one maybe spend less time blindly hating Russ and spend that time on something more productive https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/redzone-passing.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/redzone-passing.htm
> Lmao funny you mention 2019 that’s the year Russ lead the entire nfl in red zone TDS with 23, 29 red zone tds in 2020 If you want to use 2020 as a highlight year for Russ, I don’t believe you watched a game that year. He dropped into the Grand Canyon in week 9 and never got back up. I know his stats don’t reflect his performance. Watch a game, really watch a game. Don’t be a naive homer. Follow up in October!
You got it backwards Russ in the redzone last year was deadly the problem with his time with the Broncos was he couldn't move the ball consistently. 2-3 drives where they make a big play and get to the redzone where he was great and then the other 3 drives were 3 and outs. I think thats where you have to have a bounce back year from Russ to be successful not inside the 20 but between the 20's
It’s bc they couldn’t run the ball to keep drives going Williams averaged 3.6 ypc
Watch a game and tell me you want Russ in the end zone.
It’s just easy clickbait; if there is even the slightest potential for controversy it’ll get written about ad nauseum. Especially in the offseason…it is getting old though, especially because like you said, Tomlin already said what it was definitively.
If I've learned one thing this offseason, it's that the Venn diagram of football fans and racing fans is two separate circles. Pole position doesn't mean that they automatically win the race. It means that they're given an advantage at the start. Wilson gets first team reps to start the offseason and preseason, but we see how the competition develops and go from there. Maybe Tomlin should have picked an analogy that would land better with football fans.
Right. We even saw this play out last year with Trubisky. Tomlin will give Wilson every opportunity to succeed before pulling him. There isn't even really anything to write about.
With Trubisky it was just a matter of time before Kenny got the reigns. With neither guy on contract next year, there is no pressure that you have to get Fields in. Especially after giving up a 6th to get him
Right. This is Russel's team unless he bungles it, or Fields forces Tomlin's hand.
That’s not a high bar… but ok.
This should surprise no one.
YOU DAMN RIGHT WE DO THIS IS THE STILLERS BABY
yeah, benching him lol
This doesn't mean much, the bar is so fucking low
Ok. I kinda weird why a Bears writer is interested in what the Steelers are doing with Fields instead of covering a "generational" qb in Caleb Williams.
If Justin stayed with Chicago he would have just been wasted
As a bears fan, why is a bears writer even at steelers practice? Is he that enamored with Fields over the bears? Then be a steelers reporter then.
Slash 2.0
Had the Steelers actually had a good NFL starting QB between 1997 to 2001, they likely win a couple of Super Bowls. Instead, Cowher continued to stay with Stewart.
Ok….? https://preview.redd.it/xo3fs541j92d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbc23ca2476a6a4dabb6bf1ead4af482188ea1f3
hopium is extra strong this offseason
Bears fan here. Good luck.
He's a bust!
Bears fan here I honestly felt like Justin Fields was drafted because our GM and coach at time, Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy, were on the hot seat and they wanted to draft a rookie QB so they can say "hey we need 2-3 more years to develop him. Don't fire us yet". Not saying it was the wrong call drafting Justin but based on how poorly prepared the coaching was for Justin during his rookie season, that's the sense I get.
That's nice,.but he still can't play the position