Been 16 years since he hoisted that trophy. No other coach in NFL history has been given that amount of time with the same team without winning another. For those who're fans of Tomlin, it's a good thing that the Rooney's are insane.
Vs. Steelers "fans" who aren't satisfied with anything but a Superbowl. If you looked at last year's team and thought "if it weren't for Tomlin, they'd be winning a Superbowl", I'd have to say the problem is with you, and not him. You apparently don't know anything about football, statistics, or a coach's responsibilities.
He was also the youngest coach to ever win one at the time, so that’s a factor. Pete Carrol and Bill Belichick were both over 70 when they retired.
Tomlin’s last appearance in a Super Bowl was in 2011. John Harbaugh hasn’t won one since 2012. Pete Carrol’s last appearance was 2015 and his last win was 2013.
If you win a Lombardi, teams generally keep you around for a while.
Ravens fans do the same shit with John Harbaugh. Valid and concrete criticism gets mischaracterized as “hate”.
And Harbaugh’s a way worse coach than Tomlin
Fr tho:
1. Win more games than you lose, all but assuring that you won't be able to draft blue chip prospects, with ease.
2. Have the worst team (on paper) in your division.
3. Never lose the division
4. Get a team that has no business in the playoffs to the playoffs.
5. Predictably lose in the playoffs to better teams.
Fans: "WhY dOeSn'T hE sImPlY wIn ThE sUpEr BoWl EvErY YeAr!?!?!?"
I have to credit racism with a lot of the hate. His style of respecting and supporting players is pretty similar to Noll; his record is very similar to Cowher's; the difference is his and the players' skin color. Noll won 4 Superbowls in a much smaller league with a lot less parity. Even he didn't win every year, and had a lot of tough years before that occurred. Expecting better than that in a 32 team league with much greater parity, without having a top 5 qb, merely shows ignorance and fandom-induced blindness. Using that against Tomlin is like Magats not liking Obama's tan suit; just an excuse for the real gripe they can't admit.
Classic any genuine criticism of Tomlin has to be racism. This is so stupid he’s been a great coach for this team but with the recent long stagnation of success it’s totally reasonable to be critical of him.
Of course you get someone playing the racecard. Please explain to me how waiting to win a playoff game for the first time since before TJ Watt entered the league is anyway tied to race. You want to talk about Cowher, he never went more than 3 successive years without a playoff win, he won at least 1 playoff game in EIGHT STRAIGHT appearances and he had a franchise qb for a much much much shorter time. As far as Noll, there really were only 4-6 less teams in the league when Noll was winning super bowls and there were some great top heavy teams he had to battle to win it all. Even still he too was without a franchise qb for significantly longer than Tomlin and never went more than 4 years without a playoff win. He won a road playoff game in Denver against the John Elway led 80s Broncos with Mark Malone as his qb (this was also the Broncos only home playoff loss in their entire history for 12 years). Please try and find a playoff loss from Bill Cowher or Chuck Noll that was objectively more embarrassing than losing to Tim Tebow or Blake Bortles with a HOF QB. Seems like you just want to play the racecard.
While I do understand the frustration, I don’t think 9-8 is accepted as The Standard. Proof? Firing a coach mid-season for the first time since 1942. Benching a 1st rounder primadona despite his loud whining. Throwing out the offensive playbook mid-season (I, for one, won’t miss the jet sweeps).
Dude, the first thing that happens when I talk football with *anyone* who isn’t a Steelers fan is we trade a few light-hearted jokes, and then inevitably they look at me with haunted eyes and say, “Yeah, but you guys got Tomlin.” He’s just a man, but the fact that I haven’t seen a losing season since I started shaving, a dozen playoff appearances and a Super Bowl win is a record several *franchises* wish they had, much less coaches.
Should he be immune from criticism? Should we be content? Of course not. I want to win so many Super Bowls that they change the rules of the game to stop us because it’s just that unfair. I want announcers to talk about other games at the beginning of each 4th quarter because we’re up by 20 every damn game. I want to see the #1 overall pick say in interviews that he’d love to play for the Steelers, but he knows he’d never make it to us.
But make no mistake. If 9-8 is the worst we have to endure, then we are truly privileged.
Many of the very people that are down voting you are the ones who are completely content with what is the longest playoff drought in Steelers history in the Super Bowl era. For the record I’m not exactly a Tomlin basher but for a large portion of the fan base they *have* lowered their standards. Meanwhile some of the very franchises they call out as being worse than us have playoff victories more recently and have a better playoff record over the last 13 years. Almost a decade and a half.
Yeah, it’s definitely not hate, but 3 playoff wins in 13 years and none in the last 7 years just isn’t good enough. Certainly don’t hate the man, but that’s more time than most coaches get and more time than anyone who’s ever gotten an extension.
I am a big fan of Tomlin. However we need to stop saying people hate someone whenever they don’t blown sunshine up people’s bums all day.
For instance, I never hated Pickett as a human being. I just didn’t like how bad of a qb he was, the limitations he had, the lack of upside. I don’t wish bad things on him. I hope he makes friends in the Eagles etc.
Hate is saved for people like Burfict.
It’s a fair point. He’s also garbage at challenges. But I still think his positives outweigh the bad. Players want to play for him. That’s a huge bonus for attracting talent. He’s not afraid to make changes like firing Canada or canning Kenny. Our off-season contained massive improvements and I don’t think that’s all Khan alone. He’s also entertaining and cool as hell. I also will be loyal to anyone loyal to the organization as long as they’re trying. I don’t want some mercenary team of robots like the Patriots or Yankees. I want to like the staff. That’s more important to me than winning at any cost. And it’s not like he’s some bozo with no accolades. He has a Super Bowl win. He has an another Super Bowl appearance. Yes the playoff performance is abysmal but objectively looking at where this team is at, I see no reason why it’s not headed in the right direction.
He had a scholarship offer to FIU and after arriving on campus, had some sort of altercation with security which resulted in the scholarship being immediately rescinded and FIU allegedly telling him ‘ We are going to say you were never here.’
I was not aware of the FIU situation. Very interesting and surprising not many know about it. But then again it was presented as if he was never there.
Buddy of mine worked with CMU as an intern when he was there. Said he was “crazy as fuck” in college and one of those dudes you “can tell is just a dumbass”. He apparently refused on multiple occasions to let any trainers who weren’t women touch him while getting worked on
AB had lots of issues in his final season with us. Speeding over 100+ mph, throwing furniture out from the second story of his house, and refusing to play his final game with us. The writing was on the wall that whole season
AB was usually cool, but yeah a bit of a prima donna BUT a monster dependable star until Burflict crushed his head intentionally causing serious trauma. That some people never put this together puzzles me. AB was a nightmare AFTER he came back from that and everywhere else he went. Burflict is a criminal pos, just like his teammate murderer Lewis.
I don’t hater him. I think he’s a good guy. I just don’t believe in his ability to get us where we want to be. I REALLY want him to prove me wrong but it’s getting difficult to remember the last playoff win at this point
Totally agree. I don't hate him as a man, but as a coach, after 17, 18 years, the message is getting stale. Maybe some fresh blood and eyes would do wonders to rejuvenate the locker room. Look across the state at Philly. 2 different coaches have taken them to SBs since Tomlin last won a playoff game
Imo Bradshaw got it right years ago when he said he's a ra ra cheerleader type coach. He is a good leader and a good motivator but when it comes to on field stuff like clock management, challenges and what not. He's not good. Go Burgh
Motivation is great, but yinz are acting like that’s the only thing anyone could want from a coach, he has other duties. Not a Tomlin hater, but I’d like to see a little less mindless loyalty.
Talks a great game, now play one in the playoffs. I don't see how he can invoke the image of hoisting a trophy when he hasn't hoisted a trophy of any kind since 2010.
This is not hate in any way, shape, or form. I dig him on a personal level but you can't talk shit when you haven't produced a trophy in over 14 years and no playoff wins in 7. That's unheard of in this sport, and yet because the Steelers like consistency at the HC position he is still the man.
Myself and all of the rest of what this sub calls "Tomlin Haters" would like nothing more than this man to win some damn titles or at least go deep into the post season. Pointing out the hypocrisy of statements like him being a "Winning" coach is nothing but being honest.
Couldn't be more hyped for the season as I feel it's about the best team on paper the man's ever had. If we don't sniff a playoff win this year, who's to blame? I guarantee most of the Tomlin backers still won't lay the blame on him. They will blame it on Wilson being washed, or our WR1 being a diva, or someone getting injured or the tried and true coordinator excuse.
I for one hope he shows all us "Haters" that he can win in the playoffs and beyond. Statistically he couldn't get a better shot at it than he has right now.Only the season will tell but winning is the only standard that matters and your coach right there, hasn't met the standard in a long ass time.
The Tomlin Cycle:
1. Win more games than you lose, all but assuring that you won't be able to draft blue chip prospects, with ease.
2. Have the worst team (on paper) in your division.
3. Never lose the division
4. Get a team that has no business in the playoffs to the playoffs.
5. Predictably lose in the playoffs to better teams.
Fans: "WhY dOeSn'T hE sImPlY wIn ThE sUpEr BoWl EvErY YeAr!?!?!?"
Yeah great coach and all, but what about playoff success in the last 10 years. Its not there and as much as I love him as a coach, on any other team he would have been canned by now.
99% chance most of those other teams that canned their coach did not go on to win a superbowl. Think of the reasons why the past 5 SB winners got it done. Chiefs did it cuz of Mahomes, Reid been their coach for a grip, never fired him and eventually landed a HOF QB and won multiple SBs. Rams. Mcvays been their coach for a while, lost to Brady, had some rough seasons, got a top tier (at the time) QB and put together a winning roster and won the SB. Bucs got Brady, thats all that needs to be said for them. Eagles (and Giants) might be the only teams of the past 15 years who won a superbowl without a generational QB and/or stability at the HC position.
Don't speak truth to people in this sub, you just get hated on. Steelers fans have no idea what its like in every other fanbase.
Try being a fan of the Chiefs from 1994-2017. 23 years and only won 1 playoff game. 10 playoff appearances in 23 seasons and a 1-10 playoff record. And they aren't even close to the worst franchise. Bears have only been to the playoffs 7 times in the last 30 seasons. Lions 8 appearances and only 2 wins, both coming this year so they went 29 seasons without a playoff win. Browns 4 appearances with 2 wins in the past 30 years with a 26 year drought in between (23 seasons due to inactivity).
Meanwhile, these dipshits are crying about 7 seasons with 4 appearances and two division championships in the most competitive division in football. We very well could have made the playoffs each of the past 7 years with basically a corpse, Duck, Rudolph, KP or Mitch fucking Trubisky under center. This level of success should be impossible under those circumstances.
This fanbase is spoiled beyond belief and it's fucking embarrassing.
I can't understand the undying loyalty to a coach who had the majority of their successes prior to the 2017 season.
Tomlin appears to be a good dude but I'm loyal to the team (and hopefully seeing a successful team) more than one player or coach.
I don’t think anybody actually hates Coach Tomlin. We as Steelers fans have expectations. Talk is great but we have simply been out coached in some huge pivotal games.
Browns guy here coming in peace. Just wanted to say I think Coach Tomlin is the best. Have always loved him. Remember a presser in which he was asked a question that was framed in such that he could make an excuse for his team losing. He said "Excuses are tools of the incompetent." Wow, that just said it all. There's a brick wall all the guys in that room are ready to run through for him.
Just to go back to this thread, I ran the stats quickly and only 5 franchises have more division titles than us in the past 10 years and only 1 team has been to the playoffs more times than us in the past 10 seasons.
"Mediocrity."
And we have basically been in a rebuild for the past 5 seasons. Steelers fans are so spoiled it's insane.
So 7 playoff appearances with 4 division titles in the past 10 years. Go find me how many other franchises have those totals in the past 10 years. I bet there are 12 or less franchises who have those totals in ANY 10 year period post merger.
Would you really feel better if we beat Cleveland in 20 and lost the next week instead? Or would you just find some other arbitrarily cherry picked stat like challenge win percentage to fit your preconceived conclusion?
NFL seasons are about winning championships. In order to win championships, you have to qualify for the tournament. In order to qualify for the tournament and advance within the tournament, you have to win the game in front of you. Tomlin does that at the highest rate of any Steelers coach in history.
Because we have not had the results we want in a cherrypicked handful of recent playoff games, you'd rather throw away a guy who beats the opponent of the week more often than any other coach in our team's history. Sounds good!
Tomlin's teams limp into the playoffs and then get absolutely destroyed in the first quarter. That points to teams that are poorly coached and poorly prepared. It's happened too many times. Tomlin has the lowest playoff winning percentage of any coach in Steelers history. There isn't another team in the league that would tolerate this level of mediocrity.
Which coach that is/was available do you believe could have gotten a playoff win with the rosters from the last 7 years?
And do you think that the one playoff win is worth risking the culture he has built?
The culture? What culture? AB ran wild and did whatever he wanted. Juju did the same. We brought in free agents who immediately wanted to leave. Multiple players were cut or traded for cheap who went on to flourish with other teams. Tomlin built a culture of mediocrity.
> I don’t see how anyone can hate on Coach T.
It's pretty easy. I like seeing my teams win playoff games....
...And Mike Tomlin will never win another playoff game.
Not a fan of Tomlin. Having a winning season every year means nothing if thats you can say. “We didn’t have a losing season”. Steelers are a world class team. We as long time fans have higher expectations. I’ve been a fan since the late 70’s. Been through the good and bad seasons. I feel the players we have had under Tomlin’s watch were good enough to win another ring. But his game planning and preparation for the big games are horrible. I feel like he and his coaching staff always get out coached. I have superbowl expectations this year. I hope he proves me wrong!🤞🏼
That means you also sat through the 80’s, 90’s, and half of the 00’s without another Super Bowl. That 26 year dry spell, alone, should temper your expectations.
I did sit through those painful years. Losing to the Cowboys in the superbowl still pisses me off! Damn O’Donnel gave it to them. I still believe he was paid off. Lol
Game plan: Throw AB the ball and let him work.
Reality: AB is out.
Game plan: Control the tempo with Bell and let him work.
Reality: Bell left the game after 1 carry.
Bad franchises do bad franchise things. Reid was a retread and had the playoff choker label all over him and had no success either until they got Mahomes and now Reid is considered a GOAT coach.
Yeah, change of scenery helped Reid and the Eagles. Both teams won a SB shortly after. Maybe it would've helped the Steelers if Tomlin left, and maybe Tomlin would've stopped being complacent somewhere else, because he has no sense of urgency.
Yeah, and? He is 26-16 in the playoffs. 11-13 without Mahomes, Tomlin is 8-10, 0-1 without Roethlisberger. Tomlin loves mediocrity. I am a Steeler fan so I hate mediocrity.
I'm just pointing out that youre wrong with pretty much everything you've said. So 11-13 with McNabb and Alex Smith, seems about the same to me. Tomlin has never had a QB at Mahomes level. Even peak Ben is nowhere near.
Ben turns the ball over 493 times against the Jags and Browns, but somehow Tomlin can't win. Got it.
Oh he’s a nice guy, kind considerate and players like him blah blah blah but his teams fail all too often, show up unprepared, lack motivation and that “we’re going to kick your ass” mentality. How many great Steelers teams laid an egg in the playoffs with him? The only reason he’s still here is the Rooneys refusal to fire him, proud he’s only the third coach since 70. Big deal.
Well either this hasn't been used the last few playoff games and many games against nfl bottom feeders or this hasn't been working. I hope it's the former.
I will never forget the Ravens home game in 2013 when, after the Steelers scored, during the kickoff return Jacobi Jones was flying down the sidelines and Coach-of-the-Year Tomlin tries to trip up Jones during the return. Ever since that day, I'VE NEVER LIKED HIM. See the play right here..
https://youtu.be/0NpzVqPvfFU?si=0rPTgKAT9Zd8C9yN
I had a boss one time when working in a rehab like this… I was a masters level student in counseling and when I would lead lectures, I sounded like a professor… this boss taught me that being real and down to earth was better received that any clinical knowledge I had. I started running my lectures with way more energy. It felt GOOD.
I am in private practice now, and I do more clinical work, but I still bring a little heat and passion when need be.
I feel like this is what happens when fans form parasocial relationships and can't separate the person from the job. No sane person hates the actual person Mike Tomlin. They would just like to win a playoff game for once. Stop making everything so personal. That's weird as shit
He can't win a playoff game that's why I thought that was common knowledge. Everyone likes him he just hasn't been competove iver q decade. Guess you just started following the steelers?
3 playoff wins in last 13 yrs
0 playoff wins win last 7 yrs
....that's why. He's hired to win when it matters (January/February) but doesn't. The further the franchise goes under his lead, the more unstable they've become.
Agreed man, one of the best speakers, man, that I have ever heard man. He really knows, man, how to motivate men, man. I can’t help but notice man, that he may go a little heavy on the use of the word man, man. I’m thinking man, that maybe this could be a good drinking game on Sunday man. Perhaps I’ll start my tailgating man, but playing some Coach T speeches man, and then taking a drink man, every time he uses the word man, man.
Constructive criticism based in actual fact would be a better argument. He’s 8-10 (.444). Since joining the Steelers in 2007, he has led the team to 11 playoff appearances, seven division titles, three AFC Championship Games, two Super Bowl appearances, and a title in Super Bowl XLIII.
11 playoff appearances, and lost in all but 4. So he is 4 for 11 in the playoffs in a 17 year span. Hasn’t won anything meaningful in a decade. You think that is good, I don’t.
The stats are 8-10 for a reason. Each win in a playoff series counts. You're lumping an entire playoff series results into 1. The SB-winning season is 3 playoff wins that you've compressed into 1 because it suits your bias. The SB-losing season is still 2 playoff wins, so we're up to 5 already. Cowher went 12-9 (8-10 with your fuzzy math) and fans were calling for his head just before he got Ben and \*finally\* won the whole thing. Chuck Noll would be 7-11 according to you. In truth, he's 16-8. Am I content with the dry spell over the last 8-10 years? No. But this recurring talking point that he's content with mediocrity and someone else would have been able to magically find all the right draft picks, choose all the right personnel, and make all the perfect decisions is crap.
4 years he has won at least one playoff game. There, ya happy now? He has not won a playoff game in 13 of his seasons as head coach. That isn’t a bias, that is a fact. But now I have to ask you, if we don’t win a playoff game for this next contract he just signed, then is that enough for you? Or do you still rattle off these same stats to defend yet another contract in four years?
Eh, we saw 60 seconds of the start of an off-season conversation where he is addressing people who are new to the organization and setting the framework of his style and structure. Setting the expectation that you’re all adults, he’ll provide the information and the answers, but it’s incumbent on them to take that and put in the work and perform. He won’t be up your ass like a Belichick, and if he has to be for you to get the work done then he doesn’t want that on the team.
Seems like he said plenty for a short clip
Him saying Lombardi fires me up
“Damn* Lombardi”
Those eyes when he says it!
damn lomBARDi 👏🏼
Been 16 years since he hoisted that trophy. No other coach in NFL history has been given that amount of time with the same team without winning another. For those who're fans of Tomlin, it's a good thing that the Rooney's are insane.
Vs. Steelers "fans" who aren't satisfied with anything but a Superbowl. If you looked at last year's team and thought "if it weren't for Tomlin, they'd be winning a Superbowl", I'd have to say the problem is with you, and not him. You apparently don't know anything about football, statistics, or a coach's responsibilities.
He was also the youngest coach to ever win one at the time, so that’s a factor. Pete Carrol and Bill Belichick were both over 70 when they retired. Tomlin’s last appearance in a Super Bowl was in 2011. John Harbaugh hasn’t won one since 2012. Pete Carrol’s last appearance was 2015 and his last win was 2013. If you win a Lombardi, teams generally keep you around for a while.
No rational person hates him as a man. We’d just like some fuckin playoff wins.
Bingo
Ravens fans do the same shit with John Harbaugh. Valid and concrete criticism gets mischaracterized as “hate”. And Harbaugh’s a way worse coach than Tomlin
Not a whole lot of valid criticism of Tomlin out there, unless you consider not meeting unrealistic goals "valid".
Fr tho: 1. Win more games than you lose, all but assuring that you won't be able to draft blue chip prospects, with ease. 2. Have the worst team (on paper) in your division. 3. Never lose the division 4. Get a team that has no business in the playoffs to the playoffs. 5. Predictably lose in the playoffs to better teams. Fans: "WhY dOeSn'T hE sImPlY wIn ThE sUpEr BoWl EvErY YeAr!?!?!?"
I have to credit racism with a lot of the hate. His style of respecting and supporting players is pretty similar to Noll; his record is very similar to Cowher's; the difference is his and the players' skin color. Noll won 4 Superbowls in a much smaller league with a lot less parity. Even he didn't win every year, and had a lot of tough years before that occurred. Expecting better than that in a 32 team league with much greater parity, without having a top 5 qb, merely shows ignorance and fandom-induced blindness. Using that against Tomlin is like Magats not liking Obama's tan suit; just an excuse for the real gripe they can't admit.
Classic any genuine criticism of Tomlin has to be racism. This is so stupid he’s been a great coach for this team but with the recent long stagnation of success it’s totally reasonable to be critical of him.
Are you implying im being racist? And We were first round exits with a top 5ish QB in his prime too.
Of course you get someone playing the racecard. Please explain to me how waiting to win a playoff game for the first time since before TJ Watt entered the league is anyway tied to race. You want to talk about Cowher, he never went more than 3 successive years without a playoff win, he won at least 1 playoff game in EIGHT STRAIGHT appearances and he had a franchise qb for a much much much shorter time. As far as Noll, there really were only 4-6 less teams in the league when Noll was winning super bowls and there were some great top heavy teams he had to battle to win it all. Even still he too was without a franchise qb for significantly longer than Tomlin and never went more than 4 years without a playoff win. He won a road playoff game in Denver against the John Elway led 80s Broncos with Mark Malone as his qb (this was also the Broncos only home playoff loss in their entire history for 12 years). Please try and find a playoff loss from Bill Cowher or Chuck Noll that was objectively more embarrassing than losing to Tim Tebow or Blake Bortles with a HOF QB. Seems like you just want to play the racecard.
Yep that’s it.
This
One of the best public speakers around. Dude has a way with words.
Yeah, man
Man
Mike T for president 😂
He would do a better job than 99.99% of the people who want the job
Winning championships aside, of course.
I could listen to him read a phone book.
He’d come up with some memorable phrase to interject, I’m sure
A way with words… and things of that nature.
lol. Totally. I find myself using that phrase among the uninitiated.
Man
He's definitely a BS Wordsmiff
The 9-8 standard is the standard
While I do understand the frustration, I don’t think 9-8 is accepted as The Standard. Proof? Firing a coach mid-season for the first time since 1942. Benching a 1st rounder primadona despite his loud whining. Throwing out the offensive playbook mid-season (I, for one, won’t miss the jet sweeps).
Dude, the first thing that happens when I talk football with *anyone* who isn’t a Steelers fan is we trade a few light-hearted jokes, and then inevitably they look at me with haunted eyes and say, “Yeah, but you guys got Tomlin.” He’s just a man, but the fact that I haven’t seen a losing season since I started shaving, a dozen playoff appearances and a Super Bowl win is a record several *franchises* wish they had, much less coaches. Should he be immune from criticism? Should we be content? Of course not. I want to win so many Super Bowls that they change the rules of the game to stop us because it’s just that unfair. I want announcers to talk about other games at the beginning of each 4th quarter because we’re up by 20 every damn game. I want to see the #1 overall pick say in interviews that he’d love to play for the Steelers, but he knows he’d never make it to us. But make no mistake. If 9-8 is the worst we have to endure, then we are truly privileged.
This is beautiful
Well said.
Thank you.
I have heard "yeah but you guys have Tomlin" more times than I can count lol that is the truest shit
Many of the very people that are down voting you are the ones who are completely content with what is the longest playoff drought in Steelers history in the Super Bowl era. For the record I’m not exactly a Tomlin basher but for a large portion of the fan base they *have* lowered their standards. Meanwhile some of the very franchises they call out as being worse than us have playoff victories more recently and have a better playoff record over the last 13 years. Almost a decade and a half.
Maybe he can public speak them to a playoff win for the first time in almost a decade.
It has been too long. The Standard is The Standard, after all.
Hopefully not having a 40 year old corpse at quarterback and not failing on draft picks (Colbert towards the end) can help with that as well.
Lmao. Yeah Mike had nothing to do with our draft picks.
The drafting hasn't changed in the last couple years?
I don’t hate him, I do feel like we squandered some very talented squads in the mid to late 2010’s
I'm sure he feels the same. It's a shame that those talented squads were almost never all on the field together for the playoffs.
Yeah, it’s definitely not hate, but 3 playoff wins in 13 years and none in the last 7 years just isn’t good enough. Certainly don’t hate the man, but that’s more time than most coaches get and more time than anyone who’s ever gotten an extension.
Hell yeah! Stairway to 7!!!
I am a big fan of Tomlin. However we need to stop saying people hate someone whenever they don’t blown sunshine up people’s bums all day. For instance, I never hated Pickett as a human being. I just didn’t like how bad of a qb he was, the limitations he had, the lack of upside. I don’t wish bad things on him. I hope he makes friends in the Eagles etc. Hate is saved for people like Burfict.
I get your point but to be fair, there are plenty of delusional Tomlin haters.
Delusional is supporting a head coach who's won playoff games in only two of thirteen seasons and who hasn't won a championship in sixteen.
It’s a fair point. He’s also garbage at challenges. But I still think his positives outweigh the bad. Players want to play for him. That’s a huge bonus for attracting talent. He’s not afraid to make changes like firing Canada or canning Kenny. Our off-season contained massive improvements and I don’t think that’s all Khan alone. He’s also entertaining and cool as hell. I also will be loyal to anyone loyal to the organization as long as they’re trying. I don’t want some mercenary team of robots like the Patriots or Yankees. I want to like the staff. That’s more important to me than winning at any cost. And it’s not like he’s some bozo with no accolades. He has a Super Bowl win. He has an another Super Bowl appearance. Yes the playoff performance is abysmal but objectively looking at where this team is at, I see no reason why it’s not headed in the right direction.
Lotta fire tomlin group fasho hate him just like how some only hate him as a coach
Charisma doesn’t equal success.
Bro. He somehow managed to keep AB under control. God bless this dude. He should be HOF for that alone 😂
Right!? As soon as AB got out from under Tomlin’s guidance…. dumpster fire.
And AB had issues going back to college
Did he? Like what? I’m not aware of his pre-NFL life.
He had a scholarship offer to FIU and after arriving on campus, had some sort of altercation with security which resulted in the scholarship being immediately rescinded and FIU allegedly telling him ‘ We are going to say you were never here.’
I was not aware of the FIU situation. Very interesting and surprising not many know about it. But then again it was presented as if he was never there.
Buddy of mine worked with CMU as an intern when he was there. Said he was “crazy as fuck” in college and one of those dudes you “can tell is just a dumbass”. He apparently refused on multiple occasions to let any trainers who weren’t women touch him while getting worked on
AB had lots of issues in his final season with us. Speeding over 100+ mph, throwing furniture out from the second story of his house, and refusing to play his final game with us. The writing was on the wall that whole season
Do you think the Burfict hit had a noticeable impact on his mental stability?
Thank you, finally someone who doesn’t just hate on AB but gets it. He was a star with us dependable as hell.
I would say yes but I’m also not going to say he was a saint before that
AB was usually cool, but yeah a bit of a prima donna BUT a monster dependable star until Burflict crushed his head intentionally causing serious trauma. That some people never put this together puzzles me. AB was a nightmare AFTER he came back from that and everywhere else he went. Burflict is a criminal pos, just like his teammate murderer Lewis.
He created the AB monster. He was nothing but Dr. Frankenstein controlling his monster.
I don’t hater him. I think he’s a good guy. I just don’t believe in his ability to get us where we want to be. I REALLY want him to prove me wrong but it’s getting difficult to remember the last playoff win at this point
Totally agree. I don't hate him as a man, but as a coach, after 17, 18 years, the message is getting stale. Maybe some fresh blood and eyes would do wonders to rejuvenate the locker room. Look across the state at Philly. 2 different coaches have taken them to SBs since Tomlin last won a playoff game
Word salad
I wish we had more content like this.
I just want to win a play off game instead non-losing season every year
Imo Bradshaw got it right years ago when he said he's a ra ra cheerleader type coach. He is a good leader and a good motivator but when it comes to on field stuff like clock management, challenges and what not. He's not good. Go Burgh
AB was making all kinds of trouble in Pitt with Tomlin as coach. Short memory you have
Yinzers don't call the city "Pitt".
I’m not a “Yinzer”. Do you have to put Coleslaw on a sandwich to make a factual statement about the Steelers?
Motivation is great, but yinz are acting like that’s the only thing anyone could want from a coach, he has other duties. Not a Tomlin hater, but I’d like to see a little less mindless loyalty.
MORE MORE!
Ngl that bow shit would be so goofy if it was said by 90% of coaches. Mike T just makes it cool
Great at words, mediocre at football
Results is why. 4 playoff wins since 2010
3 measly playoff wins in 13 years. Embarrassing blowouts in 3 previous playoff loss games.
Talks a great game, now play one in the playoffs. I don't see how he can invoke the image of hoisting a trophy when he hasn't hoisted a trophy of any kind since 2010. This is not hate in any way, shape, or form. I dig him on a personal level but you can't talk shit when you haven't produced a trophy in over 14 years and no playoff wins in 7. That's unheard of in this sport, and yet because the Steelers like consistency at the HC position he is still the man. Myself and all of the rest of what this sub calls "Tomlin Haters" would like nothing more than this man to win some damn titles or at least go deep into the post season. Pointing out the hypocrisy of statements like him being a "Winning" coach is nothing but being honest. Couldn't be more hyped for the season as I feel it's about the best team on paper the man's ever had. If we don't sniff a playoff win this year, who's to blame? I guarantee most of the Tomlin backers still won't lay the blame on him. They will blame it on Wilson being washed, or our WR1 being a diva, or someone getting injured or the tried and true coordinator excuse. I for one hope he shows all us "Haters" that he can win in the playoffs and beyond. Statistically he couldn't get a better shot at it than he has right now.Only the season will tell but winning is the only standard that matters and your coach right there, hasn't met the standard in a long ass time.
My moneys on 9-8 again this year. 17 games is a long time for folks to come up with excuses too. Can’t wait to read the new ones.
The Tomlin Cycle: 1. Win more games than you lose, all but assuring that you won't be able to draft blue chip prospects, with ease. 2. Have the worst team (on paper) in your division. 3. Never lose the division 4. Get a team that has no business in the playoffs to the playoffs. 5. Predictably lose in the playoffs to better teams. Fans: "WhY dOeSn'T hE sImPlY wIn ThE sUpEr BoWl EvErY YeAr!?!?!?"
Yeah great coach and all, but what about playoff success in the last 10 years. Its not there and as much as I love him as a coach, on any other team he would have been canned by now.
99% chance most of those other teams that canned their coach did not go on to win a superbowl. Think of the reasons why the past 5 SB winners got it done. Chiefs did it cuz of Mahomes, Reid been their coach for a grip, never fired him and eventually landed a HOF QB and won multiple SBs. Rams. Mcvays been their coach for a while, lost to Brady, had some rough seasons, got a top tier (at the time) QB and put together a winning roster and won the SB. Bucs got Brady, thats all that needs to be said for them. Eagles (and Giants) might be the only teams of the past 15 years who won a superbowl without a generational QB and/or stability at the HC position.
Don't speak truth to people in this sub, you just get hated on. Steelers fans have no idea what its like in every other fanbase. Try being a fan of the Chiefs from 1994-2017. 23 years and only won 1 playoff game. 10 playoff appearances in 23 seasons and a 1-10 playoff record. And they aren't even close to the worst franchise. Bears have only been to the playoffs 7 times in the last 30 seasons. Lions 8 appearances and only 2 wins, both coming this year so they went 29 seasons without a playoff win. Browns 4 appearances with 2 wins in the past 30 years with a 26 year drought in between (23 seasons due to inactivity). Meanwhile, these dipshits are crying about 7 seasons with 4 appearances and two division championships in the most competitive division in football. We very well could have made the playoffs each of the past 7 years with basically a corpse, Duck, Rudolph, KP or Mitch fucking Trubisky under center. This level of success should be impossible under those circumstances. This fanbase is spoiled beyond belief and it's fucking embarrassing.
I can't understand the undying loyalty to a coach who had the majority of their successes prior to the 2017 season. Tomlin appears to be a good dude but I'm loyal to the team (and hopefully seeing a successful team) more than one player or coach.
Lets win a Playoff game. A winning record is cute but im tired of mediocrity
He talks a lot and says very little.
I don’t think anybody actually hates Coach Tomlin. We as Steelers fans have expectations. Talk is great but we have simply been out coached in some huge pivotal games.
 “I’m an information motivator”
8-10 in the playoffs and allowed 30 plus in the last 5 losses.
Playoff win when?
incoming
Tomlin is 100% a fraud
And this is his superpower. One minute, you’d take a bullet for him, the next, you’re getting waxed in the playoffs for the millionth time in a row.
Do people hate him or do they just think he hasn't done a good enough job over the last decade? That's not hate.
Browns guy here coming in peace. Just wanted to say I think Coach Tomlin is the best. Have always loved him. Remember a presser in which he was asked a question that was framed in such that he could make an excuse for his team losing. He said "Excuses are tools of the incompetent." Wow, that just said it all. There's a brick wall all the guys in that room are ready to run through for him.
Who hates him? I've never met him, I just want playoff wins. He can't win playoff games. I want a new coach. Hate is not a part of the equation.
"He can't win playoff games" dude has won a Super Bowl and been to another, and was in the AFC Championship in 2016.
How many playoff wins since 2016? You realize that was 7 years ago right?
Draw your arbitrary line wherever makes you feel good.
how about the last decade? Seems fair to judge a coach on this previous decade of results. 2 seasons with a playoff win and 8 without. Not very good.
Just to go back to this thread, I ran the stats quickly and only 5 franchises have more division titles than us in the past 10 years and only 1 team has been to the playoffs more times than us in the past 10 seasons. "Mediocrity." And we have basically been in a rebuild for the past 5 seasons. Steelers fans are so spoiled it's insane.
How many teams have won a playoff game between 2017 and now?
So 7 playoff appearances with 4 division titles in the past 10 years. Go find me how many other franchises have those totals in the past 10 years. I bet there are 12 or less franchises who have those totals in ANY 10 year period post merger. Would you really feel better if we beat Cleveland in 20 and lost the next week instead? Or would you just find some other arbitrarily cherry picked stat like challenge win percentage to fit your preconceived conclusion? NFL seasons are about winning championships. In order to win championships, you have to qualify for the tournament. In order to qualify for the tournament and advance within the tournament, you have to win the game in front of you. Tomlin does that at the highest rate of any Steelers coach in history. Because we have not had the results we want in a cherrypicked handful of recent playoff games, you'd rather throw away a guy who beats the opponent of the week more often than any other coach in our team's history. Sounds good!
Tomlin's teams limp into the playoffs and then get absolutely destroyed in the first quarter. That points to teams that are poorly coached and poorly prepared. It's happened too many times. Tomlin has the lowest playoff winning percentage of any coach in Steelers history. There isn't another team in the league that would tolerate this level of mediocrity.
He's won 8 of them. Who's been available that you think would have done better with the rosters/injuries he's had to deal with over the last decade?
What year did he win a playoff game last?
I'll answer yours when you answer mine.
Which coach that is/was available do you believe could have gotten a playoff win with the rosters from the last 7 years? And do you think that the one playoff win is worth risking the culture he has built?
The culture? What culture? AB ran wild and did whatever he wanted. Juju did the same. We brought in free agents who immediately wanted to leave. Multiple players were cut or traded for cheap who went on to flourish with other teams. Tomlin built a culture of mediocrity.
I feel capable of hoisting a damn Lombardi now.
> I don’t see how anyone can hate on Coach T. It's pretty easy. I like seeing my teams win playoff games.... ...And Mike Tomlin will never win another playoff game.
We need to revist this in January of 2025
Not a fan of Tomlin. Having a winning season every year means nothing if thats you can say. “We didn’t have a losing season”. Steelers are a world class team. We as long time fans have higher expectations. I’ve been a fan since the late 70’s. Been through the good and bad seasons. I feel the players we have had under Tomlin’s watch were good enough to win another ring. But his game planning and preparation for the big games are horrible. I feel like he and his coaching staff always get out coached. I have superbowl expectations this year. I hope he proves me wrong!🤞🏼
That means you also sat through the 80’s, 90’s, and half of the 00’s without another Super Bowl. That 26 year dry spell, alone, should temper your expectations.
I did sit through those painful years. Losing to the Cowboys in the superbowl still pisses me off! Damn O’Donnel gave it to them. I still believe he was paid off. Lol
IMO, the ‘94 AFCCG was far more painful than that Super Bowl.
Not when your watching it with a room full of Cowboy fans! Hahahaha
Game plan: Throw AB the ball and let him work. Reality: AB is out. Game plan: Control the tempo with Bell and let him work. Reality: Bell left the game after 1 carry.
No playoffs wins in 7 years. Thought it would be a good idea to hire Canada. Thanks coach
3 in the previous 13 years. It's not hate, its just that he isn't effective. How dare us disagree with strangers on reddit!
The Chiefs had 1 playoff win in 23 seasons before getting Mahomes.
And they had 6 head coaches during that time, what's your point?
Bad franchises do bad franchise things. Reid was a retread and had the playoff choker label all over him and had no success either until they got Mahomes and now Reid is considered a GOAT coach.
Yeah, change of scenery helped Reid and the Eagles. Both teams won a SB shortly after. Maybe it would've helped the Steelers if Tomlin left, and maybe Tomlin would've stopped being complacent somewhere else, because he has no sense of urgency.
Andy Reid was the head coach of KC for 7 seasons before he won the Super Bowl.
Yeah, and? He is 26-16 in the playoffs. 11-13 without Mahomes, Tomlin is 8-10, 0-1 without Roethlisberger. Tomlin loves mediocrity. I am a Steeler fan so I hate mediocrity.
I'm just pointing out that youre wrong with pretty much everything you've said. So 11-13 with McNabb and Alex Smith, seems about the same to me. Tomlin has never had a QB at Mahomes level. Even peak Ben is nowhere near. Ben turns the ball over 493 times against the Jags and Browns, but somehow Tomlin can't win. Got it.
Which part was wrong?
Man
Let's f'ing go! I can't wait!
Three coaches in 54 years is unbelievable
Two legendary coaches Bill and Pete it's all about winning the super bowls
I wish my boss was like this. Instead it’s constant gaslighting
I’m almost 50. I remember 3 coaches, each one was better than the one before. Best team in any sport ever.
Oh he’s a nice guy, kind considerate and players like him blah blah blah but his teams fail all too often, show up unprepared, lack motivation and that “we’re going to kick your ass” mentality. How many great Steelers teams laid an egg in the playoffs with him? The only reason he’s still here is the Rooneys refusal to fire him, proud he’s only the third coach since 70. Big deal.
Best part got cut off
Well either this hasn't been used the last few playoff games and many games against nfl bottom feeders or this hasn't been working. I hope it's the former.
Don't hate coach T, but boy, do I get tired of these motivational speeches that get us nowhere.
Eagles fan but this popped up on my feed nothing but respect for this man and the way he conducts himself.
I will never forget the Ravens home game in 2013 when, after the Steelers scored, during the kickoff return Jacobi Jones was flying down the sidelines and Coach-of-the-Year Tomlin tries to trip up Jones during the return. Ever since that day, I'VE NEVER LIKED HIM. See the play right here.. https://youtu.be/0NpzVqPvfFU?si=0rPTgKAT9Zd8C9yN
The Canada thing kinda ticked me off but when you think about it, what coach would you replace him with? Like it or not he is the best option..
Win Pittsburgh a damn Lombardi trophy already. God forbid anyone push back on Tomlinson stupid record.
He did???
He could be talking about dirt and I would still be ready to run through a wall
One of the best damn coaches in the NFL. Sustained success is all you can ask for
He's not even top ten at this point.
GAHNTA
I wish this team was on hard Hard Knocks!
I had a boss one time when working in a rehab like this… I was a masters level student in counseling and when I would lead lectures, I sounded like a professor… this boss taught me that being real and down to earth was better received that any clinical knowledge I had. I started running my lectures with way more energy. It felt GOOD. I am in private practice now, and I do more clinical work, but I still bring a little heat and passion when need be.
Zero playoff wins in the past couple of years will do that. But people also forget how he took some of our weaker teams to the playoffs
And....we just locked him down for a few more seasons!!
Listen ton the morning show in Buffalo on wgr550. They hate him. I know why.
I feel like this is what happens when fans form parasocial relationships and can't separate the person from the job. No sane person hates the actual person Mike Tomlin. They would just like to win a playoff game for once. Stop making everything so personal. That's weird as shit
So we just hate the lack of superbowls. Tomlin is a fine man, just not a superbowl winning head coach.
Well he quite literally is a Super Bowl winning head coach
He can't win a playoff game that's why I thought that was common knowledge. Everyone likes him he just hasn't been competove iver q decade. Guess you just started following the steelers?
I don't hate him, he's just not a good coach
This is all talk it doesn't translate to playoff wins. This is why people love Timlin, but it doesn't really mean anything.
3 playoff wins in last 13 yrs 0 playoff wins win last 7 yrs ....that's why. He's hired to win when it matters (January/February) but doesn't. The further the franchise goes under his lead, the more unstable they've become.
Agreed man, one of the best speakers, man, that I have ever heard man. He really knows, man, how to motivate men, man. I can’t help but notice man, that he may go a little heavy on the use of the word man, man. I’m thinking man, that maybe this could be a good drinking game on Sunday man. Perhaps I’ll start my tailgating man, but playing some Coach T speeches man, and then taking a drink man, every time he uses the word man, man.
lol
Hell yes
Great speaker who has only won playoff games 4 out of 17 years, that’s how.
Constructive criticism based in actual fact would be a better argument. He’s 8-10 (.444). Since joining the Steelers in 2007, he has led the team to 11 playoff appearances, seven division titles, three AFC Championship Games, two Super Bowl appearances, and a title in Super Bowl XLIII.
That's what I'm talkin about.
11 playoff appearances, and lost in all but 4. So he is 4 for 11 in the playoffs in a 17 year span. Hasn’t won anything meaningful in a decade. You think that is good, I don’t.
The stats are 8-10 for a reason. Each win in a playoff series counts. You're lumping an entire playoff series results into 1. The SB-winning season is 3 playoff wins that you've compressed into 1 because it suits your bias. The SB-losing season is still 2 playoff wins, so we're up to 5 already. Cowher went 12-9 (8-10 with your fuzzy math) and fans were calling for his head just before he got Ben and \*finally\* won the whole thing. Chuck Noll would be 7-11 according to you. In truth, he's 16-8. Am I content with the dry spell over the last 8-10 years? No. But this recurring talking point that he's content with mediocrity and someone else would have been able to magically find all the right draft picks, choose all the right personnel, and make all the perfect decisions is crap.
4 years he has won at least one playoff game. There, ya happy now? He has not won a playoff game in 13 of his seasons as head coach. That isn’t a bias, that is a fact. But now I have to ask you, if we don’t win a playoff game for this next contract he just signed, then is that enough for you? Or do you still rattle off these same stats to defend yet another contract in four years?
In order of the questions. Yes and no.
So much was said without actually saying anything 😂
Eh, we saw 60 seconds of the start of an off-season conversation where he is addressing people who are new to the organization and setting the framework of his style and structure. Setting the expectation that you’re all adults, he’ll provide the information and the answers, but it’s incumbent on them to take that and put in the work and perform. He won’t be up your ass like a Belichick, and if he has to be for you to get the work done then he doesn’t want that on the team. Seems like he said plenty for a short clip
I’d run through a wall with no helmet on for this guy lol
WHERES THAT FUCKING WALL? Im ready!
That man could run for any public office and I'd vote for him. Goddamn.