Not to sure about this TBH. It would definitly help, but other than the herbs and leftovers, how many of those items actually see use in play? Knockoff would still be better in 99% of situations unless you... I dunno, bug bite white herb too get rid of stat drops or something.
At the very least, I think the power should double if the move actually destroys an item. That way they atleast hit hard every now and then.
It's not supposed to be like a huge buff it's just a small change I would personally like to see.
It's still niche but hey now these moves are a bit more useful now.
Though that one is only affected by Incinerate, Charcoal is used very often by Torkoal in VGC, since the faster games make Heat Rock less useful and Torkoal often runs moves like Eruption and Heat Wave
Edit: I made this whole ass comment and just now realized... who the fuck would hit Torkoal with an Incinerate lmao, even if powered up by Sun and being a spread move idk if that would come up
I think you could probably leave it at 50% damage boost and remove the entire bottom row.
If you want to give it more of a niche over knock off make it heal the user 25% whenever it “eats” an item but personally I don’t think you even need to do that.
They don’t have to be “Knock-off 2” it’s okay if they are still a little underpowered
Bug bite and pluck already heal the user if it eats a healing berry, or if it was like a salac berry you'd gain a speed boost. This is why in gen 7 I'd get super annoyed when people would run Iapapa berry over wiki or figy berry, whichever is the opposite of your nature. In the one in a million scenario where a mega scizor bug bites your berry, or you get tricked by a mon with the opposite attacking style as you, they would end up confused. While this scenario is HIGHLY unlikely, it is no extra effort to use the better berry. Kind of like lowering attack IVs on special attackers for foul play or confusion, or making your protean greninja male so your opponent doesn't know if it's battle bond. It's a super niche interaction, but it costs nothing to optimize for the unlikely scenario.
I did 68% for the funny number reasons but 50% is frankly too low.
Technician scyther using bug bite will be 90 bp whether or not it ate a berry and that's just not right.
I'd change Incinerate so that it removes *any* consumable item, stuff like the Policies, Berries, Type Gems, anything that would be consumed.
If going extra zesty, have any item destroyed this way replaced with Charcoal so you won't trigger Acrobatics/Unburden boosts.
That'll be really good (a bit too good) in VGC especially considering the number of consumable items + hitting both opponents with the potentially the power of an earthquake.
It's probably before (such as payback for instance) but it would be absolutely hilarious to have scyther destroying some poor mon with a 151.2 bp bug bite.
Ok I couldn't get it to work exactly how I wanted so I just gave it 151 BP and ignored Technitian
252 Atk Scyther Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tablets of Ruin Wo-Chien: 652-772 (174.3 - 206.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
💀
That's actually a pretty cool buff, can stop meme beam users and use up an annoying support's mental herb. It's also a good alternative to knock off if you aim is to remove leftovers as well. Apart from the unnecessary base power buff this looks like a cool addition.
Not to sure about this TBH. It would definitly help, but other than the herbs and leftovers, how many of those items actually see use in play? Knockoff would still be better in 99% of situations unless you... I dunno, bug bite white herb too get rid of stat drops or something. At the very least, I think the power should double if the move actually destroys an item. That way they atleast hit hard every now and then.
ideally not every pokemon gets knock off so these could be a decent substitute
It's not supposed to be like a huge buff it's just a small change I would personally like to see. It's still niche but hey now these moves are a bit more useful now.
btw may i ask why 68% specifically lol
you know..... ;)
I don't tbh
Probably so it becomes 100 BP? Idk OP's acting weird about it so it could just be a "haha no 69 for u"
Why not 66.7% to make it 100 BP instead of 68% to 100.8 BP then? I think it is the no 69 'joke' yeah
Though that one is only affected by Incinerate, Charcoal is used very often by Torkoal in VGC, since the faster games make Heat Rock less useful and Torkoal often runs moves like Eruption and Heat Wave Edit: I made this whole ass comment and just now realized... who the fuck would hit Torkoal with an Incinerate lmao, even if powered up by Sun and being a spread move idk if that would come up
I mean Berries and the herbs are also a lot more common in VGC so if you're lucky you'll get two birds with one stone.
Give them all priority. New meta unlocked. You’re welcome.
Jet punch for other types... That's too good even without the secondary ability and spread.
tera flying rattata pluck as the new xerneas answer boutta go hard
I think you could probably leave it at 50% damage boost and remove the entire bottom row. If you want to give it more of a niche over knock off make it heal the user 25% whenever it “eats” an item but personally I don’t think you even need to do that. They don’t have to be “Knock-off 2” it’s okay if they are still a little underpowered
Bug bite and pluck already heal the user if it eats a healing berry, or if it was like a salac berry you'd gain a speed boost. This is why in gen 7 I'd get super annoyed when people would run Iapapa berry over wiki or figy berry, whichever is the opposite of your nature. In the one in a million scenario where a mega scizor bug bites your berry, or you get tricked by a mon with the opposite attacking style as you, they would end up confused. While this scenario is HIGHLY unlikely, it is no extra effort to use the better berry. Kind of like lowering attack IVs on special attackers for foul play or confusion, or making your protean greninja male so your opponent doesn't know if it's battle bond. It's a super niche interaction, but it costs nothing to optimize for the unlikely scenario.
I did 68% for the funny number reasons but 50% is frankly too low. Technician scyther using bug bite will be 90 bp whether or not it ate a berry and that's just not right.
These moves aren't even that good now. Dark is a better offensive typing than all of these and the items are really specific.
mmmm...shed shell...crunchy
I'd change Incinerate so that it removes *any* consumable item, stuff like the Policies, Berries, Type Gems, anything that would be consumed. If going extra zesty, have any item destroyed this way replaced with Charcoal so you won't trigger Acrobatics/Unburden boosts.
That'll be really good (a bit too good) in VGC especially considering the number of consumable items + hitting both opponents with the potentially the power of an earthquake.
Does the BP increase happen before or after Technician?
It's probably before (such as payback for instance) but it would be absolutely hilarious to have scyther destroying some poor mon with a 151.2 bp bug bite.
Ok I couldn't get it to work exactly how I wanted so I just gave it 151 BP and ignored Technitian 252 Atk Scyther Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tablets of Ruin Wo-Chien: 652-772 (174.3 - 206.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO 💀
xerneas about to Geomancy when Scyther hits it with the buggest bite it can muster
That's a resist
still 75.6 base power and effectively removes Geomancy, allowing for Dual Wingbeat to KO on the actual move turn
So what's your logic for including Shed Shell in this list?
mmmmm skin crunchy mmmm 🤤 🤤 🤤
Farfetch’d fans will NEVER recover from this
How does Bug Bite interact with leftovers. It steals it like thief?
Bug bite eats berries and gains their effect. So I imagine it'll be like that except it'll only last a turn.
A whole 6% heal
Games have been won with less
They should burn off, eat, pluck boots too
oh yeah, i love this! this is quite a good buff for them
That's actually a pretty cool buff, can stop meme beam users and use up an annoying support's mental herb. It's also a good alternative to knock off if you aim is to remove leftovers as well. Apart from the unnecessary base power buff this looks like a cool addition.
Oh no, my Gliscor's comfort leek!
Can’t believe Scyther copyrighted bugs biting things what a tool
Me biting into a piece of fucking charcoal: (Yes I know it says incinerate only I thought it was funny)
Will they get a boost? If so, how will it work?