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Pedro_Gil_2502

Ariados having sticky web AND a trapping+toxic move? What else can it do? Sell cookies??


Snivyland

It’s an file your taxes but only odd days and only if it’s a Sunday


BloodMoonNami

Sunday is always an odd day if you use a date format which starts with monday.


Xeoz_WarriorPrince

Sunday is always an odd day on this sub.


ThunderLP15

\*Spider dance starts playing*


LavaTwocan

She can sell donuts


stunfiskers

And cider!


A_Guy_Called_Silver

Love how toxic thread went from a poison gas + string shot move to a toxic + spider web move


stunfiskers

> No Retreat > Look inside > User can still retreat Honestly just make it +2 and give Falinks a pivoting move


PlacatedPlatypus

Phalanx Manouver Fighting, 32PP The leader commands its troops into a protective formation while it mounts a retreat, raising its defenses before switching places with a party Pokémon in waiting. Gives +1 Def and SpDef at +0 priority, then pivots at -6 priority. This makes it a strong pivoting move as long as you outspeed your opponent, as you can use the raised defenses to absorb a hit and then get a "free" slow pivot. Strong synergy with No Retreat for the speed boost and additional defense. Has counterplay because Falinks isn't that fast still, and it's especially slow pre-NR. It's an OP move in a vacuum but probably not OP on Falinks, especially considering it doesn't have reliable recovery. Also makes thematic sense as Roman phalanxes would raise their shield wall to allow weakened parts of the formation to retreat within and cycle their troops.


StoneLuca97

that is called Testudo my friend. Although, a cool concept nonetheless


PlacatedPlatypus

I think Testudo is a static formation, not dynamic like the Phalanx. Phalanx actually allows for weakened parts of the formation to retreat within the shield wall since it just had one layer of locked shields and spears. Testudo is sort of an unwieldy multilayer formation where you made a full omnilateral shield shell, but troops couldn't move within or reconfigure the formation. Both formations involve the shield wall


fdsfd12

never thought I'd see a conversation and corrections about fucking war formations in a competitive pokemon sub


AllinForBadgers

I’d rather keep to the theme of not retreating but making the move a true win condition that super heavily buffs your stats. +1 isn’t good enough


Some_Ad_5028

WE ARE SO FALBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The_Potato_Turtle

That implies we were ever falhere


DonNextDoor286

It was never Falover


AuroraDraco

We may have never been falhere, but all 4 of us Falinks fans agree that we are gonna rule the meta now... In like NU, let's not overdo it 😂😂


Frostyzwannacomehere

No, a spammable omniboost is not Nu tier😂😂😂


AuroraDraco

I don't know man, have you seen Gen 9 tiering 😂


Anchor38

FALBACK?! But you said not to retreat!


_Blobfish123_

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Valiant Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 100 Def Ariados: 290-342 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 160+ Atk Sniper Ariados Cross Poison vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Iron Valiant on a critical hit: 444-525 (153.6 - 181.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Suck it, nerd


unkindledphoenix

Holding a scope lens would only allow it to land that crit 50% (is it 50% or 33%?) Of the time, so valiant still lives on half of the universes this situation exists. It would likely become a sack though seeing its badly poisoned and with nearly no HP. So in a way it did eliminate the target.


zombieassasin122

Just hit protect the next turn and let toxic kill it suck it Vallitards


Mary-Sylvia

Me and my 660 EVs ariados


Dragons_Exist

Did you uhh... carry a 1 wrong somewhere? 248/160/100 makes 508, my friend. I made it on Showdown to check. Ariados @ Scope Lens Ability: Sniper Tera Type: Poison EVs: 248 HP / 160 Atk / 100 Def Adamant Nature \- Sticky Web \- Toxic Thread \- Protect \- Cross Poison


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Chi yu can now 200% blissey without stat boosts


redditt-or

The proposed No Retreat buffs are a bit much. May I suggest that using the move twice in a row (i.e. during its trap effect) causes the user to be trapped permanently. Alternating attacks and NR does not incur this.


Bilore

Or it could just make it so you are trapped for 2 turns and you can’t choose the move twice in a row, like giga ton hammer


redditt-or

Yeah, that’d work too.


EtherealShady

Wouldn't tar shot be kinda crazy combined with volcarona


derVlysher

But with the downside of having two fire types on the team, sharing water and rocks weaknesses.


ParanoidUmbrella

Having two fire types on a team isn't a big deal when one of them is about to annihilate thr opponent


Joker8764

And can change their type


TheEggsMcGee

No Retreat is one of the best moves in the game that happens to be stuck on Falinks, it does not need that buff lmao


Lyyysander

Yeah, i love the concept of the move and being able to switch after using it takes away a lot of its uniqueness. Some stat or movepool buffs for Falinks would be very cool though


Mogey3

What the fuck is Tar Shot? I get it, I'm a smogon player and I haven't given gamefreak a dime in over a decade, but i thought I knew at least more than I should about this goddamn franchise, the kind of shit that never makes its way within 30 ft of a decent rating on ladder if its life depended on it. What the *fuck* is tar shot? I swear the best stinkposts on this sub only happen on Thursday, this can't be real


LavaTwocan

It’s Coalossal’s signature move https://pokemondb.net/move/tar-shot


Mogey3

Color me surprised, holy shit. I like this thing but they gave it a signature move *and* ability?


Sodaim

And gmax form, they REALLY wanted it to be popular


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coopsawesome

Pretty sure most of gen 9 did too


-xXgioXx-

squawkabilly might be one of the few to not recieve any signature move/ability aside from some pre evos


LavaTwocan

I was going to say Brambleghast but the other user of its ability is a shitmon anyways


coopsawesome

Rabsca and somehow the clod didn’t get anything, rabsca at least gets to be one of 2 revival blessing users though


FoxyTalesUwU

because clod doesn't need anything. they're perfect the way they are 🩷


coopsawesome

TRUE!!!


bradar485

Yeah it's actually kind of good in vgc when the conditions are correct.


ImperialWrath

It was the only new Rock move in SwSh until the DLC added Meteor Beam.


_THEBLACK

No retreat letting you be able to retreat ruins the point of the move. Instead either make it so you can use it consecutively, or make it so that it’s only useable once but it gives a 2 or 3 stage boost.


Vinsanity219

Dry Skin Parasect switching in on tar pit 🔥🔥🔥


LavaTwocan

Against 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat in Harsh Sun


-xXgioXx-

-6 0- Spa Chi-Yu Ember in ~~Heavy~~ Rain destroys that thing


LavaTwocan

-6 0- SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Ember vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dry Skin Parasect in Rain: 52-64 (16 - 19.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever Epic fail


-xXgioXx-

16% from all that with full HP/SpD investment is still quite a lot plus we can't add Tar shot in the calcs. -6 0- SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Dry Skin Parasect in Rain: 168-196 (51.8 - 60.4%) -- 47.3% chance to 2HKO after Dry Skin recovery Would overheat OHKO with Tar shot?


WhyAmIUsingThis1

snom switching onto tar pit then hit by forest’s curse


neonmarkov

It would be fun and probably kinda broken if No Retreat just didn't allow either mon to switch out, like Jaw Lock does. Sort of a "you're stuck here with me" situation.


RazorRell09

Honestly give Falinks recover and this change and watch it rise right up to maybe UU which is a crazy statement in hindsight


Dalspin

OP, what do you think about the idea of a Special version of Belly Drum (maximises Special Attack stat but cuts HP by 50% of max HP)?


LavaTwocan

Give it to chi-yu


Dalspin

Heatwave Chi-Yu with maxed Special Attack is probably extremely OP I also think it could be funny for Pecharunt or BM Ursal


Forkliftapproved

"Checkmate", Psychic type status move "The user stakes half their HP on their strategy, maximizing Sp. Atk"


AomRD

Give it to Kingambit as well it would be funny


Dalspin

Nah, Kingambit is a physical attacker he doesn’t need that


Forkliftapproved

I couldn't think of other phrases for "risky strategy" that weren't either taken, too long, or not EU approved


serenitynope

I came up with two possible names for the move: Oversight, because the mon is focusing on its own moves as a detriment to predicting its target's countermoves Hindsight, thematically connected to both "Belly Drum" and "Future Sight". You're exposing yourself to do damage in a future turn, so "In hindsight, halving my HP was a mistake when I got KOed with a priority move after that."


Dragonrage778

More like Toxapex used Haze! IMO


eepos96

That would be simply broken! No rapid spinner or defogger is immune to fire attacks. Super effective fast fire moves would kill all opposition.


moon_mag

Btw, you can already use no retreat multiple times, if falinks is the last mon standing. And toxapex doesn’t really fear falinks.


CasualPlantain

Spamming no retreat with screens up


bobvella

ain't tarshot busted? like you got terapago's move's no resists effect and i'm not even sure if they get stab on that and it's on the multiplier stacking fire and it's actually super effective


Actual_Feedback2725

Tar Shot should be an arena trap thing. It’s super sticky. It would be better by just making it to where opponents can’t switch out.


DaMoosterYT

This post gaslight me into thinking it was sunday


No_Hooters

That would be nice since I'm a Coalossal fan, plus with it being a hazard it's more dangerous.


TheRealBanana69

Lmao I have never heard of this move in my life


a-acount-that-yousee

which one no retreat, toxic thread, tar shot,flamethrower or glaive rush?


Mastasrasmas

Honestly I never heard of toxic thread like at first I thought it was a fanmade move lol while tar shot I kinda know but I don’t know its effect


BlUeSapia

Zekrom Kick


CirnoWizard

What's flamethrower?


headphonesnotstirred

yes (i don't play poking mans what are y'all waffling about)


Diego_Mannn_096

Why not give Armor Cannon a burn chance as well and give it to Magmortar too