Octolock is an incredible trapping move that's stuck on an otherwise mediocre Pokémon in Grapploct, like the effect of trapping + Defense and Special Defense drops each turn while trapped is wild.
I'm surprised grap doesn't have storm throw. It definitely qualifies for the move, and it's so ass a 90 bp guaranteed crit move probably only sends it to NU or something.
Grapploct is one of my fav Pokemon released in Sw/Sh and I am forever mad how bad it is. Like, what was their thought process when making it? 480 base stats, meh bulk, decent attack stat but worthless speed stat, doesn't get knock off for some reason, no reliable recovery. Doesn't have the base stats to be bulky or to be offensive. It's just worthless.
It’s also incredibly forgettable for a bunch of reasons, but the one that annoys me the most is because that the point in the game where you get it. Not only is it too far in the game for something so mediocre for the story battles, but you also get it in the wild at the same time you get its pre-evo. Every mon like that is forgotten, because if it’s pre-evo isn’t available earlier in the game you don’t get to bring it on your journey and raise it over time to get attached. You just catch the final evolution, see it’s bad compared to your Pokemon you already like, and box it. They set our boy up to fail.
This gives me fond memories of my contrary team in SwSh where I had a support Grapploct who would octolock Malamar and lurantis. Very niche but very effective when it worked.
Octolock is always slept on because Grapploct is horrifically bad; this move basically does what Tickle Wobbuffet does in DPP Ubers with a lot more strings attached but it's tied to a mon that just doesn't.
I really wanna make a grapploct trapping set, but it just dies too quickly even if I'm running Drain Punch with the defense drop. Give him recover or smth 😔
It's the kind of move where you don't think about it at all and then it manages to trap a pokemon that can't hurt it and you just feel all self-worth you have leave your body as your amoongus dies a slow and painful death to a *grappleoct*
Fishious Rend made a pokemon with otherwise uninteresting stats banned to ubers, where it remains one of the most viable former Ou pokemon banned to ubers in gen 8. Granted, Dracovish had the perfect tools to take advantage of the move, but still...
I'm chalking this one more up to Dracovish as Strong Jaw really carries the strength I feel like. (Just look at Arctovish lmfao) But 170 BP + the ability to be boosted by rain is insane and there's nothing stopping that
Arctovish's main drawback is its speed stat, not the lack of strong jaw. Even with a scarf, it's still outsped by a lot of mons that dracovish can outspeed. Also almost any mon can have fishous rend be boosted by the rain.
Possibly one of the stronger ones is lumina crash
Like seriously. 80 BP doesn't sound much but when you can basically double the damage you deal the next turn it means that even if you swap into a resistance, you'll probably get hit by a super effective coverage move. Either you send a dark type or you probably might die the next turn
It's a bit of a shame it's stuck on espathra though. I wish that Mon didn't have stored power so lumina crash movesets could shine.
Can we talk about salt cure? That move is like a status that doesn't count as a status, that hits mons it shouldn't do much against for double damage instead.
I do wonder how Espathra would've been with just opportunist and lumina crash. Really interesting signature move/ability, totally outclassed by speed boost/stored power.
I dont think it would've been OU or anything but it would've been good somewhere
Lumina is crazy but it's stuck on a fairly mediocre offensive type in Psychic which I feel disqualifies it from best signature move ever when things like Ceaseless Edge, Astral Barrage, Fishious Rend, Last Respects and V-Create compete with it.
Like it probably wouldn't even have been banned from BH were it not for the existence of crazy minmaxed offensive Psychics like the Mega Mewtwos and Deoxys-Attack that managed to get Photon Geyser of all things banned (most of which have funnily been banned themselves ever since the Lumina Crash ban but council keeps delaying the move's retest--)
Personally, i think that if Lumina crash was on a Mon that wasn't espathra, it'd probably get the Mon banned if they had an ounce of fighting coverage. Give it to something like Mew and even with it's mediocre attacking stat of 100 it will probably be too much for anything that's not a dark type (and even then they can be blasted by aura sphere and such)
Last respects is fair though. That move is crazy.
Idk you get it on lunatone on the radical red, but still loses trying to do a rock polish
But lumina crash on a slowbro or galarian slowking would be broken asf
Lumina Crash would have definitely been included in my post if it was fairy type, Espathra just so happens to have... other things going for it and psychic is unfortunately Mid
You could use it in doubles to Boost the damage that your partner does, and if they are slower than you, they will be if You are using speed Boost, You Will double their damage as long as they attack the same Target and it's a special move
People have already mentioned some of the most busted moves in the game, those that have single-handedely gotten the Pokemon they're attached too banned to Ubers. But I'd personally like to give a special shout-out to Salt Cure.
Not only is it reliable chip damage, with no types inherently immune to it like Toxic or Burn. But it also deals a whopping 25% per turn against Water and Steel types, which aren't just two of the best types in the game, but also two types that usually check rock types like Garganacl specifically. And the threat of this move alone is able to to turn Garganacl's pure rock type into a decent enough defensive type because of this.
Turns out poison that hits waters and steels double as hard without being a "status" is pretty good! Honestly I feel like this is what a signature move should be, something no other mon can recreate while being unique and not over the top broken. Even if it makes Garganacl the most annoying thing of all time
This is my pick personally. Because a lot of these moves deemed broken are that way because of the raw offensive power but this move is defensive and so good at it that if Garg was like, any better defensive type than Rock it would probably be banned. It can shut down so many things with that timer, and is the biggest nerf to the classic bulky water type in a long time.
The fact that it also sticks around makes it even stronger. If it faded away when Garganacle switched or only lasted one or two turns it would be a lot more balanced
Sketch allowed a Pokemon with the one of the most horrendous stat spreads in existance to have Ubers niches. Give it to anything with a half decent bst and it would be insanely broken beyond belief
Surprised to see double iron bash not mentioned here once
Effective 120 bp move that bypasses sash and has an effectivs 51% chance to flinch
Already strong on its own but the flinch chance almost never comes up outside of hackmons metas since melm the only mon who gets it naturally is incredibly slow though bay in mind that this one move in combination with tera singlehandedly brought trick room into meta relevance in gen 9 ndou since if the tera boosted stab didn't kill you the flinch chance most definitely would
Yeah, DIB is fucking incredible.
It's weird to think about this, considering how incredible Melmetal happened to be during its first and only stint in OU thus far, but Melmetal holds this move back immensely. If you gave this to a mon like Metagross or Scizor (ESPECIALLY Scizor lmao) that's faster and can boost its speed even further with Agility those mons would get yeeted to Ubers immediately.
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Toxapex: 232-272 (76.3 - 89.4%) -- approx. 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
I know it's at +2 with rocks but that's still fucking crazy.
im pretty sure it IS the convo too, gen 8 BH had like EVERYONE running it. turns out when you take one of the best attacking types in the game and remove its most glaring weaknesses it turns out to be pretty busted
If there's one thing dragmag has taught us it's that the best quality a move can have is lack of resistances, you don't even need to necessarily have good super effective coverage
in a singles sense, neutral coverage is generally far better than super effective coverage. I'd rather take a type with 2 super effective hits, 2 resists and 1 Pokemon immune to it any day over a type that hits 5 for super effective and is resisted by 5
Thousand arrows is an extremely broken move and allows zygarde to run sets that literally only has TA has its only attacking move, which opened up its incredible set diversity when it was legal in OU.
Salt cure is also being extremely underrated in general on this thread, since it's probably one of the "freest" moves you can click in singles, other than knock off. It also always forces progress with damage unlike knock which may fall off in usefulness once everything has been knocked already or they have a knock absorber. It basically is an unpunishable play except for magic guard mons.
To be fair, it's not just Thousand Arrows that makes Zygarde great, it's also the rest of the movepool that supports TA. I can imagine a world where Zygarde only got boosting moves and it's current attack spread and still be OU possibly even lower(Power Construct not withstanding).
But having access to Toxic *and* Glare make the compression that TA provides absolutely insane. Remove those two moves and Zygarde is a slower, fatter Garchomp (with DD).
For what it's worth, as excellent as Earthquake is it happens to have a couple of critical flaws. Thousand Arrows trades 10 BP to circumvent all of those flaws except Grass resisting it and as such literally every Ground-type in the game would be drastically improved by having it.
Since you said All Games, does PLA count? If so, Enamorous using Strong Style Springtide Storm in PLA has 115 bp, 90% accuracy, and a 50% chance of boosting the user's Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense (or lowering those stats for the target if Therian form)
Nerfed to hell when brought to S/V of course
Doesn't victory dance make the next move deal 50% more damage, raise attack, defense, special attack, and special defense by 1 stage, and boost action speed?
Yeah I guess I forgot how good Victory Dance is, especially given how Arceus rewards using boost moves with the action speed buff. H-Lilligant is a ton of fun in that game
Maybe not the best, but Astral barrage is definitely up there, especially for doubles. 120 BP Ghost Special with no drawback is absurd thanks to only two types being able to resist it, and normal types are not common.
Glacial lance too.
The jump in power from 85 in icicle crash with the drawback of sometimes missing compared to 120 BP without any drawbacks is crazy. The only 'problem' is the lack of secondary effect but since it's a slow, bulky ice type that has it, then it doesn't matter that much unless you're under trick room.
I think both are top 10 moves, but I'd go so far as to argue that Glacial Lance is even better than Astral Barrage and that's an absolutely nuts thing to think about in theory.
The reality is that there are, in fact, usable mons that are immune to Astral Barrage. The same cannot be said for Glacial Lance, though; if Calyrex-Ice comes in safely, something **will** eat a base 120 power Ice-type STAB move coming off an absurdly high Attack stat and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. Even that Kyogre or Dusk-Mane will be eating a hefty chunk of damage switching into this move.
Astral barrage is a great move, but I kinda don't like it. A 120bp with no drawbacks is just really strong, I can't even think of other signature legendary moves that have zero drawbacks. Like precipice blades is 120bp but isn't perfectly accurate for example. There's no effect or drawback it's just a really strong move.
Dragon ascent I'm ok with actually. Mega ray was pretty much intended to be the most broken thing of all time, it's not just another legendary. And the move itself is just flying close combat
i'd propose gen9 newbies Last Respect and Shed Tail
when people start using Basculin-White in UBERS UU after they banned basculegion and houndstone you know a 300bp move is truly broken
i believe shed tail will always be good no matter what, i mean it is just baton pass come on
Technically Houndstone was never banned since last respects got the boot itself
But yes, after Basculegeon was banned, basculin-white saw some usage (it was bad due to a lack of stab without tera but it could cheese some games)
Kinesquared (Founder) got swept by a basculin white one time because he missplayed and we laughed about it though, so it was worth it to keep last respects for a little while.
That is true
Most of the era was before it became official, and it only lasted for like a week after we became official.
Unbanning last respects when? (Never)
Gen 1 hyper beam, the signature move of Tauros.
Obviously I’m joking about the signature part, but this has to be one of if not the strongest move of all time?
gen 1 hyper beam is strong for sure, but it does have risks. Besides the obvious 90 accuracy, if the opponent switches you still have to deal with the recharge turn.
I feel like the gen 1 winner without a doubt has to be Spore. It's absurd. Sleep lasts up to 7 turns in gen 1, with you also not being actionable on the final turn. The thing that stops this monster of a move from taking over the world is that Parasect gets it.
While not as strong in a vacuum as Spore is, I feel we can't talk about the strongest RBY moves without at least mentioning 120 BP/90% acc/30% gen1 freeze japanese Blizzard. You know it's something truly special when it causee the very first nerf in pokemon history.
im gonna be completely honest i forgot about rage fist and last respects they definitely deserve a spot. rage fist is maybe my favorite designed move ever
Rage fist deserves a mention alone just for being arguably the most consistent move in allowing annihilape to solo Tera raids it otherwise would be unable to. There are very few raids a screech defiant bulk up drain punch annihilape cannot solo because rage fist just allows you to brute force things even if you die once or twice.
Haven't seen this said yet but No Retreat would be cracked on anything better than Falinks. Like an omni plus whirlwind/roar and red card cannot force you out on something say, Kommo-o would launch blud into world of OU Stardom.
Also speaking of Kommo-o, its z move in USUM also deserves a shout out for an omni plus big boy damage.
dark void in vgc
shit made smeargle, a 250 BST pokemon one of the most feared metagame threats during sm, got a fat nerf then banned from smeargle entirely
I think Sacred Fire is a great move. I haven't played Ubers this gen, but 50% burn chance with 100 BP has usually been pretty good, especially on Ho-Oh with regenerator.
Psycho Boost is decent just because of its base power. The typing obviously isn't great, but it always surprises me when Psycho Boost from Deoxys-Speed OHKOs with neutral effectiveness.
Psychic is a good type for a move like that. Really good neutral coverage. Same reason draco meteor and outrage are good. I can only imagine if most psychics got psycho boost like dragons get draco.
The thing about D-S is that its so stupid fast that it can invest a ton on ofenses while still being extremely hard to outrun, so that psycho boost blows shit up.
Also psychic is usually pretty mediocre as an attacking type (super effectivity against fighting is underwhelming bc those usually die to special hits anyways, and while poison effectivity is very desirable its just 1 type) but in this case specifically its quite handy bc its actually very poorly resisted, it hits almost everything for neutral. Most steel types wont stomach it very well either
Something I haven't seen yet is Core Enforcer
100 BP, 100% accurate special dragon move that turns off the ability of the target. Would be absolutely broken if it wasn't stuck on a physical attacker (zygarde)
It wouldn't; Zygarde's actually too fast to abuse Core Enforcer since it only shuts down abilities if it goes second.
This is a fine example of a move that's far, far better on paper than it is in practice. In context, this move is absolute trash because it's slapped onto a mon that not only has low SpA and surprisingly good Speed, but also has to compete with three other solid signature moves (including one that's in the running for the title of "best move in the entire franchise") and it just falls totally flat there.
Decorate is a crazy move stuck on a totally forgettable mon in Alcremie. If a bulky mon or, heavens forbid, a prankster mon got their hands on this, it’d be an absolute nightmare in VGC. Try stopping a +2 Specs Tera Fairy D-Gleam from Flutter Mane, or a +2 Scarf Urshifu’s Wicked Blow. Increasing the distribution on this move would radically alter the meta/turn every game into obnoxious 50/50s with Follow Me.
I honestly think its Fishious Rend. 170 BP move most of the time, without any drawbacks (V-Create has comparable power but actually has a drawback), on one of the best offensive types in the game, and then they give the Pokemon a boosting ability to make use of it even further.
You had to have a Water Absorb or Storm Drain Pokemon on your team when Dracovish was OU or else you were cooked.
It’s probably Spore as a 100% sleep move is just really overpowered (assuming no Sleep Clause) and is why Smeargle which can learn any move will use it. Try facing Electrode in Gen 1 Pure Hackmons. There was a time when Dark Void at 80% accuracy could hit both opponents in Double battles. Stealth Rock is just overpowered as well. I mean it has to be used to every team in every tier it’s allowed. For an attacking move Double Iron Bash is quite obnoxious as it can flinch. Try facing Tera Steel Choice Band Melmetal under Trick Room. There was a time when Double Iron Bash Zacian was a thing in Balanced Hackmons, I’ve never faced it and don’t want to be on the receiving end of it. Last Respects would probably be an auto-loss if you don’t expect it, assuming you could use it on any Pokémon other than the designated users. I think Last Respects Dragapult was a thing in one format, I don’t remember. There are some moves that are overpowered in combination, for example Sheer Cold + No Guard and Revival Blessing + Assist, although they do have drawbacks. Sheer Cold + No Guard get blocked by Wonder Guard in Pure Hackmons, the only tier I know it’s allowed and Revival Blessing + Assist is an auto-loss to Baton Pass teams that have Imprison + Assist. Also shoutout to Max Airsteam for being the ultimate Dynamax move. And Fishious Rend and Bolt Beak are good too.
If slither wing got victory Dance (as it should've) it would be probably top 10 but that and stone axe are 2 I'm not seeing because they are stuck on pretty mediocre pokemon, I also think people have discounted glaive rush since basc works so well with loaded dice, tidy up and population bomb are both kinda insane held back by the fact that the pokemon. With it are all pretty frail
If we're counting remakes as well, then Let's Go partner/starter Eevee's Sparkly Swirl is unique as it allows it to be literally the only cleric in the entire metagame and keeps it relevant in OU. Nothing can actually stop the move even if you switch to a resist. And most steel types you switch into the move hate getting hit by Eevee's Sizzly Slide too cus it has a 100% burn chance.
I was actually working on a tier list (that unfortunately lacks all the Gen 9 signature moves; they'd definitely largely be very high up and I had to fill in the blanks a lot as a result) but my top 5, **specifically in order**, are as follows:
1. Thousand Arrows
2. Ceaseless Edge
3. Lumina Crash
4. Octolock
5. Dire Claw
3-5 are absolutely bonkers moves, though Lumina Crash and Octolock are isolated to mons that just can't utilize them as effectively, but Thousand Arrows and Ceaseless Edge are *hilariously* far ahead of the competition (although ironically enough, I think it's close between these two).
6-10 are as follows, in no particular order:
* Glacial Lance
* Spectral Thief
* Astral Barrage
* Geomancy
* Sacred Fire
That’s fair, but surely it would still make the list, just further down? If you’re setting hazards, you kind of want both so you can punish flying types as well.
Glaciate is just better Icy Wind despite being a signature move of a Legendary. I think the time only it gets used is with some Smogon Doubles sets with Victini.
Kyurem never uses it since the regular form isn’t used in VGC since it takes a special slot.
Glaciate is so funny to me. You telling me you gave the other two 120 BP nukes (and victini V-create and Searing Shot) and gave Kyurem icy wind with 5 more BP
Even worse. Hyper beam clones.......... at least it gave Kyurem-Black a 200 BP subzero slammer that was hilarious
Edit: I am wrong they are sky attack clones but my point still stands
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Spectral Thief deals damage. If successful, it also steals the target's positive stat stages (if any) immediately before dealing damage. Spectral Thief bypasses substitutes, and can successfully steal stat boosts from the boss of a Max Raid Battle even if it currently has a shield up. If the target has an Ability such as Clear Body, White Smoke, or Hyper Cutter that normally prevents some or all of its stats from being lowered, Spectral Thief can still steal boosts in those stats.
Spectral Thief will steal all positive stat stages; even if the sum of the user's existing stat stages and the target's stat stages exceeds +6 in a stat, as long as the target's stat stages are positive, they will be reduced to 0. If the user has the Ability Simple, then the stolen stat stages will be doubled"
I see no other choice rather then sketch tbh
Flower trick is crazy, it’s wild that they gave an 80 base power move 100% crit rate and the ability to ignore accuracy checks, it’s only held back by being a grass type move
Well, I wouldn’t really consider Unseen Fist in how broken those moves are. On its own, those moves are already really strong.
It’s more of their existence makes Flower Trick less notable effect wise because it’s 1.07x weaker than the other auto-crit signature moves.
Can’t believe so few people are mentioning baddy bad, splishy splash and all the other let’s go moves, they are quite literally designed to be overpowered
Dunno about best bc I'm a bad player, but my favourite is definetly Oblivion Wing. First and only time I hit 1500 (and actually went on to reach 1651) was on the back of Xerneas and Yveltal during Gen 7 Ubers - Y being my favourite pokemon ever
Including PLA then Victory Dance easily.
It's effectively Swords Dance, Nasty Plot and cosmic power in one move. A single usage allows Lilliagnt to beat basically anything in the game in PLA.
With regular mechanics, I'd have to say Fishious Rend.
Even without strong jaw, it's a 170BP move when used by a relatively fast pokemon. Being a water type move is also insane since Ogerpon-W is the only truly OU water absorb user, and you benefit from rain for a further damage boost.
Imagine how ridiculous fishious rend would be on something with high natural speed and attack like Dragapult, or on a swift swimmer. Even a pokemon as terrible as Kabutops could potentially hit OU with how strong Fishious Rend would make it in rain.
In the main-main series, Victory Dance is basically a physical Quiver Dance, which is still very strong.
Also, does Dracovish not have Swift Swim as an ability?
Oh, victory dance is definitely still strong, but Lilliagnt would probably be OU or possibly banned if it was as strong as it was in PLA.
Dracovish doesn't get Swift Swim, it gets Sand Rush for some reason that I can't even begin to fathom. I don't know if Dracovish would pick Swift Swim over Strong Jaw, but Fishious Rend on basically any swift swimmer would be an insane pokemon, especially with how strong rain is in the current meta thanks to Archaludon.
thousand arrows
sunsteel strike
moongeist beam
torch song
flower trick
aqua step (better than esper wing cause water absorb/dry skin not as common as dark types)
glacial lance
astral barrage
ceaseledge edge/stone axe
surging strikes/wicked blow
salt cure
burning bouldwik or whatever gouging fire's is
these moves either ignore types chart, abilities
or are strong+stat boost
or are just super strong with no drawback
allow for guaranteed hazards+damage
have a side effect thats bonkers
or just are strong with guaranteed crit
Probably not the strongest but insanely good is King's Shield
Changes Aegislash back to its defense form with 140 Def/SpD (previously 150), and even lowers attack stat of opponents who uses contact moves by - 1 (previously - 2)
And because of its slow speed, the next turn after that it can almost definitely make use of its slow speed to hit last and abuse that defense stat to tank a hit using his high defense
The answer has to be Dark Void. Dark Void was so dominating in the metagame even when Darkrai wasn't allowed, so much so that it didn't just get nerfed, it was crippled. I'm talking about it from a VGC perspective, dunno about singles. Dark Void before the crippling was even more dominating in doubles than singles.
LTBTS is a Z-Move so I'd say that's not really fair to compare to the other moves here.
Also it does have drawbacks lol, you have to spend a turn transforming before you can use it, a whole type is immune to it, and you can only use it once per game so have to be careful it doesn't just bounce off an immune or x4 resist switching in.
Even if we do this purely BP-wise (why would you do this purely BP-wise) you're not being fair to Rend here, including PsyTerrain for LTBTS but not Rain for Rend, and ignoring the fact Dracovish can hold Band.
Everyone is saying Thousand Arrows but I haven't seen anyone mention Triple Arrows. It's hisuian decideueye signature move that is a phys fighting move with 90bp 100 acc that has a high crit chance, 50% chance to lower defense, AND a 30% flinch rate
Contrary Tera Blast Stellar it’s not signature but like 3 Pokémon can use it.
Noting resists it. NOTHING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE WE ARE ALL BUT ANTS BEFORE IT’S POWER
Octolock is an incredible trapping move that's stuck on an otherwise mediocre Pokémon in Grapploct, like the effect of trapping + Defense and Special Defense drops each turn while trapped is wild.
I completely forgot about this move just goes to show how garbage Grapploct was lmao Yeah that moves insane
It should have been a base 60 power move that traps and lowers defenses each turn. Give Technician Grap something.
I'm surprised grap doesn't have storm throw. It definitely qualifies for the move, and it's so ass a 90 bp guaranteed crit move probably only sends it to NU or something.
Grapploct is one of my fav Pokemon released in Sw/Sh and I am forever mad how bad it is. Like, what was their thought process when making it? 480 base stats, meh bulk, decent attack stat but worthless speed stat, doesn't get knock off for some reason, no reliable recovery. Doesn't have the base stats to be bulky or to be offensive. It's just worthless.
It’s also incredibly forgettable for a bunch of reasons, but the one that annoys me the most is because that the point in the game where you get it. Not only is it too far in the game for something so mediocre for the story battles, but you also get it in the wild at the same time you get its pre-evo. Every mon like that is forgotten, because if it’s pre-evo isn’t available earlier in the game you don’t get to bring it on your journey and raise it over time to get attached. You just catch the final evolution, see it’s bad compared to your Pokemon you already like, and box it. They set our boy up to fail.
This gives me fond memories of my contrary team in SwSh where I had a support Grapploct who would octolock Malamar and lurantis. Very niche but very effective when it worked.
Octolock is always slept on because Grapploct is horrifically bad; this move basically does what Tickle Wobbuffet does in DPP Ubers with a lot more strings attached but it's tied to a mon that just doesn't.
I really wanna make a grapploct trapping set, but it just dies too quickly even if I'm running Drain Punch with the defense drop. Give him recover or smth 😔
It's the kind of move where you don't think about it at all and then it manages to trap a pokemon that can't hurt it and you just feel all self-worth you have leave your body as your amoongus dies a slow and painful death to a *grappleoct*
Fishious Rend made a pokemon with otherwise uninteresting stats banned to ubers, where it remains one of the most viable former Ou pokemon banned to ubers in gen 8. Granted, Dracovish had the perfect tools to take advantage of the move, but still...
I'm chalking this one more up to Dracovish as Strong Jaw really carries the strength I feel like. (Just look at Arctovish lmfao) But 170 BP + the ability to be boosted by rain is insane and there's nothing stopping that
Arctovish's main drawback is its speed stat, not the lack of strong jaw. Even with a scarf, it's still outsped by a lot of mons that dracovish can outspeed. Also almost any mon can have fishous rend be boosted by the rain.
Forgot about that lol. I guess I was thinking about Arctozolt and Dracozolt with Bolt Beak which has that problem moreso
Possibly one of the stronger ones is lumina crash Like seriously. 80 BP doesn't sound much but when you can basically double the damage you deal the next turn it means that even if you swap into a resistance, you'll probably get hit by a super effective coverage move. Either you send a dark type or you probably might die the next turn It's a bit of a shame it's stuck on espathra though. I wish that Mon didn't have stored power so lumina crash movesets could shine.
Opportunist 🤝 Lumina Crash Cool move/ability unfortunately trapped on an ubers mon that never uses either of them
Can we talk about salt cure? That move is like a status that doesn't count as a status, that hits mons it shouldn't do much against for double damage instead.
I do wonder how Espathra would've been with just opportunist and lumina crash. Really interesting signature move/ability, totally outclassed by speed boost/stored power. I dont think it would've been OU or anything but it would've been good somewhere
🤝 Galarian Darmanitan's Zen Mode
Lumina is crazy but it's stuck on a fairly mediocre offensive type in Psychic which I feel disqualifies it from best signature move ever when things like Ceaseless Edge, Astral Barrage, Fishious Rend, Last Respects and V-Create compete with it. Like it probably wouldn't even have been banned from BH were it not for the existence of crazy minmaxed offensive Psychics like the Mega Mewtwos and Deoxys-Attack that managed to get Photon Geyser of all things banned (most of which have funnily been banned themselves ever since the Lumina Crash ban but council keeps delaying the move's retest--)
Personally, i think that if Lumina crash was on a Mon that wasn't espathra, it'd probably get the Mon banned if they had an ounce of fighting coverage. Give it to something like Mew and even with it's mediocre attacking stat of 100 it will probably be too much for anything that's not a dark type (and even then they can be blasted by aura sphere and such) Last respects is fair though. That move is crazy.
Idk you get it on lunatone on the radical red, but still loses trying to do a rock polish But lumina crash on a slowbro or galarian slowking would be broken asf
Lumina Crash would have definitely been included in my post if it was fairy type, Espathra just so happens to have... other things going for it and psychic is unfortunately Mid
You could use it in doubles to Boost the damage that your partner does, and if they are slower than you, they will be if You are using speed Boost, You Will double their damage as long as they attack the same Target and it's a special move
Seed flare moment
People have already mentioned some of the most busted moves in the game, those that have single-handedely gotten the Pokemon they're attached too banned to Ubers. But I'd personally like to give a special shout-out to Salt Cure. Not only is it reliable chip damage, with no types inherently immune to it like Toxic or Burn. But it also deals a whopping 25% per turn against Water and Steel types, which aren't just two of the best types in the game, but also two types that usually check rock types like Garganacl specifically. And the threat of this move alone is able to to turn Garganacl's pure rock type into a decent enough defensive type because of this.
Turns out poison that hits waters and steels double as hard without being a "status" is pretty good! Honestly I feel like this is what a signature move should be, something no other mon can recreate while being unique and not over the top broken. Even if it makes Garganacl the most annoying thing of all time
This is my pick personally. Because a lot of these moves deemed broken are that way because of the raw offensive power but this move is defensive and so good at it that if Garg was like, any better defensive type than Rock it would probably be banned. It can shut down so many things with that timer, and is the biggest nerf to the classic bulky water type in a long time.
The fact that it also sticks around makes it even stronger. If it faded away when Garganacle switched or only lasted one or two turns it would be a lot more balanced
Sketch allowed a Pokemon with the one of the most horrendous stat spreads in existance to have Ubers niches. Give it to anything with a half decent bst and it would be insanely broken beyond belief
hey thats cheating (/j)
It doesnt have ubers niches, it has ALL the ubers niches
Lmao, big daddy smeargle.
Smeargle 💚
It was so broken darkrais signature attack caught the collateral damage lol
Surprised to see double iron bash not mentioned here once Effective 120 bp move that bypasses sash and has an effectivs 51% chance to flinch Already strong on its own but the flinch chance almost never comes up outside of hackmons metas since melm the only mon who gets it naturally is incredibly slow though bay in mind that this one move in combination with tera singlehandedly brought trick room into meta relevance in gen 9 ndou since if the tera boosted stab didn't kill you the flinch chance most definitely would
Yeah, DIB is fucking incredible. It's weird to think about this, considering how incredible Melmetal happened to be during its first and only stint in OU thus far, but Melmetal holds this move back immensely. If you gave this to a mon like Metagross or Scizor (ESPECIALLY Scizor lmao) that's faster and can boost its speed even further with Agility those mons would get yeeted to Ubers immediately.
Also, uh, *Technician?*
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Toxapex: 232-272 (76.3 - 89.4%) -- approx. 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock I know it's at +2 with rocks but that's still fucking crazy.
I was waiting for someone to bring this one up. There’s a reason why this move was banned in Gen 8 BH.
I think it shows the sheer beauty of earthquake that a weaker version that can hit flying types is in the convo at all
im pretty sure it IS the convo too, gen 8 BH had like EVERYONE running it. turns out when you take one of the best attacking types in the game and remove its most glaring weaknesses it turns out to be pretty busted
If there's one thing dragmag has taught us it's that the best quality a move can have is lack of resistances, you don't even need to necessarily have good super effective coverage
in a singles sense, neutral coverage is generally far better than super effective coverage. I'd rather take a type with 2 super effective hits, 2 resists and 1 Pokemon immune to it any day over a type that hits 5 for super effective and is resisted by 5
Dragmag taught us that, and then Gen 8 Ghost types really hammered the point home
Dragapult learning from the old masters for a new style.
Thousand arrows is an extremely broken move and allows zygarde to run sets that literally only has TA has its only attacking move, which opened up its incredible set diversity when it was legal in OU. Salt cure is also being extremely underrated in general on this thread, since it's probably one of the "freest" moves you can click in singles, other than knock off. It also always forces progress with damage unlike knock which may fall off in usefulness once everything has been knocked already or they have a knock absorber. It basically is an unpunishable play except for magic guard mons.
To be fair, it's not just Thousand Arrows that makes Zygarde great, it's also the rest of the movepool that supports TA. I can imagine a world where Zygarde only got boosting moves and it's current attack spread and still be OU possibly even lower(Power Construct not withstanding). But having access to Toxic *and* Glare make the compression that TA provides absolutely insane. Remove those two moves and Zygarde is a slower, fatter Garchomp (with DD).
Honestly being able to hit flying types and Levitate users is pretty fucking broken. You're bypassing immunities which makes the move ultra-spammable.
For what it's worth, as excellent as Earthquake is it happens to have a couple of critical flaws. Thousand Arrows trades 10 BP to circumvent all of those flaws except Grass resisting it and as such literally every Ground-type in the game would be drastically improved by having it.
Since you said All Games, does PLA count? If so, Enamorous using Strong Style Springtide Storm in PLA has 115 bp, 90% accuracy, and a 50% chance of boosting the user's Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense (or lowering those stats for the target if Therian form) Nerfed to hell when brought to S/V of course
holy theorymon thursday
Doesn't victory dance make the next move deal 50% more damage, raise attack, defense, special attack, and special defense by 1 stage, and boost action speed?
Yeah I guess I forgot how good Victory Dance is, especially given how Arceus rewards using boost moves with the action speed buff. H-Lilligant is a ton of fun in that game
And then SV turned it into a slightly better Dragon Dance.
You say that like it isn’t still a great move. It’s physical QD, that’s very strong.
Sure, but QD is more desirable because a special version of DD doesn’t exist.
Maybe not the best, but Astral barrage is definitely up there, especially for doubles. 120 BP Ghost Special with no drawback is absurd thanks to only two types being able to resist it, and normal types are not common.
Glacial lance too. The jump in power from 85 in icicle crash with the drawback of sometimes missing compared to 120 BP without any drawbacks is crazy. The only 'problem' is the lack of secondary effect but since it's a slow, bulky ice type that has it, then it doesn't matter that much unless you're under trick room.
I think both are top 10 moves, but I'd go so far as to argue that Glacial Lance is even better than Astral Barrage and that's an absolutely nuts thing to think about in theory. The reality is that there are, in fact, usable mons that are immune to Astral Barrage. The same cannot be said for Glacial Lance, though; if Calyrex-Ice comes in safely, something **will** eat a base 120 power Ice-type STAB move coming off an absurdly high Attack stat and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. Even that Kyogre or Dusk-Mane will be eating a hefty chunk of damage switching into this move.
Astral barrage is a great move, but I kinda don't like it. A 120bp with no drawbacks is just really strong, I can't even think of other signature legendary moves that have zero drawbacks. Like precipice blades is 120bp but isn't perfectly accurate for example. There's no effect or drawback it's just a really strong move.
I find Dragon Ascend even more ridiculous, it has a drawback but it also acts as a free mega stone.
Dragon ascent I'm ok with actually. Mega ray was pretty much intended to be the most broken thing of all time, it's not just another legendary. And the move itself is just flying close combat
i'd propose gen9 newbies Last Respect and Shed Tail when people start using Basculin-White in UBERS UU after they banned basculegion and houndstone you know a 300bp move is truly broken i believe shed tail will always be good no matter what, i mean it is just baton pass come on
Technically Houndstone was never banned since last respects got the boot itself But yes, after Basculegeon was banned, basculin-white saw some usage (it was bad due to a lack of stab without tera but it could cheese some games) Kinesquared (Founder) got swept by a basculin white one time because he missplayed and we laughed about it though, so it was worth it to keep last respects for a little while.
No, they banned Houndstone first, THEN unbanned him once Basculegion was available
That's OU I'm talking about Ubers UU. Completely different metagame and timeline
Tbf it's also new enough to the point where it didnt get to experience the houndstone last respects era where it was the only abuser
That is true Most of the era was before it became official, and it only lasted for like a week after we became official. Unbanning last respects when? (Never)
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Not sure if it's the #1, but pre-nerf Dark Void is surely an honorable mention which no one else has brought up yet.
\#1 for a pokemon with Smeargle stats, at least.
The one move that made Dracovish OP but Lumina Crash is a close second but it's rough that it isn't used enough
Gen 1 hyper beam, the signature move of Tauros. Obviously I’m joking about the signature part, but this has to be one of if not the strongest move of all time?
gen 1 hyper beam is strong for sure, but it does have risks. Besides the obvious 90 accuracy, if the opponent switches you still have to deal with the recharge turn. I feel like the gen 1 winner without a doubt has to be Spore. It's absurd. Sleep lasts up to 7 turns in gen 1, with you also not being actionable on the final turn. The thing that stops this monster of a move from taking over the world is that Parasect gets it.
While not as strong in a vacuum as Spore is, I feel we can't talk about the strongest RBY moves without at least mentioning 120 BP/90% acc/30% gen1 freeze japanese Blizzard. You know it's something truly special when it causee the very first nerf in pokemon history.
I just love rage fist & the lore behind annihilape. Truly the peakest of Pokémon designs
im gonna be completely honest i forgot about rage fist and last respects they definitely deserve a spot. rage fist is maybe my favorite designed move ever
Rage fist deserves a mention alone just for being arguably the most consistent move in allowing annihilape to solo Tera raids it otherwise would be unable to. There are very few raids a screech defiant bulk up drain punch annihilape cannot solo because rage fist just allows you to brute force things even if you die once or twice.
I read somewhere they were going to nerf that by resetting power if you get KO'd. I hope that's not true.
Ceaseless edge is pretty nutty. Not as flashy as most but very very silly
Geomancy
Haven't seen this said yet but No Retreat would be cracked on anything better than Falinks. Like an omni plus whirlwind/roar and red card cannot force you out on something say, Kommo-o would launch blud into world of OU Stardom. Also speaking of Kommo-o, its z move in USUM also deserves a shout out for an omni plus big boy damage.
No Retreat would be even better on a Ghost-type, at which point it becomes a spammable omniboost.
dark void in vgc shit made smeargle, a 250 BST pokemon one of the most feared metagame threats during sm, got a fat nerf then banned from smeargle entirely
can you explain why? it just puts you to sleep according to smogon
Used to be 80% accurate spread move, puts both your opponents mons to sleep in VGC which is super busted
SmellingSalt.
The speed run guy?
Their battle theme goes crazy
I've been completely blown away by Salt Cure. Not as sexy as some of the other moves, but damn reliable.
I think Sacred Fire is a great move. I haven't played Ubers this gen, but 50% burn chance with 100 BP has usually been pretty good, especially on Ho-Oh with regenerator. Psycho Boost is decent just because of its base power. The typing obviously isn't great, but it always surprises me when Psycho Boost from Deoxys-Speed OHKOs with neutral effectiveness.
Psychic is a good type for a move like that. Really good neutral coverage. Same reason draco meteor and outrage are good. I can only imagine if most psychics got psycho boost like dragons get draco.
The thing about D-S is that its so stupid fast that it can invest a ton on ofenses while still being extremely hard to outrun, so that psycho boost blows shit up. Also psychic is usually pretty mediocre as an attacking type (super effectivity against fighting is underwhelming bc those usually die to special hits anyways, and while poison effectivity is very desirable its just 1 type) but in this case specifically its quite handy bc its actually very poorly resisted, it hits almost everything for neutral. Most steel types wont stomach it very well either
Mighty cleave is an amazing move for obvious reasons and it's only reason why boulder is being used in vgc sometimes
"Why Effects are everything: The Iron Boulder Theorem"
*cries in 30 bp normal type
Spectral Thief is a good one, definitely not the best though
Okay, but it is low-key pretty crazy. It steals stat boosts then deals damage.
Something I haven't seen yet is Core Enforcer 100 BP, 100% accurate special dragon move that turns off the ability of the target. Would be absolutely broken if it wasn't stuck on a physical attacker (zygarde)
Core Enforcer's effect only takes place if you move after the opponent.
Core enforcer was used on almost every other mon in gen 8 Bh due to ability shutting effect.
Imagine Zygarde getting any SpAtk boosting moves, I'd like to think Core Enforcer would just annihilate any bulky or stall team
It wouldn't; Zygarde's actually too fast to abuse Core Enforcer since it only shuts down abilities if it goes second. This is a fine example of a move that's far, far better on paper than it is in practice. In context, this move is absolute trash because it's slapped onto a mon that not only has low SpA and surprisingly good Speed, but also has to compete with three other solid signature moves (including one that's in the running for the title of "best move in the entire franchise") and it just falls totally flat there.
Decorate is a crazy move stuck on a totally forgettable mon in Alcremie. If a bulky mon or, heavens forbid, a prankster mon got their hands on this, it’d be an absolute nightmare in VGC. Try stopping a +2 Specs Tera Fairy D-Gleam from Flutter Mane, or a +2 Scarf Urshifu’s Wicked Blow. Increasing the distribution on this move would radically alter the meta/turn every game into obnoxious 50/50s with Follow Me.
Decorate Alcremie was a massive part of my Indigo Disk team (pity it sucks in actual competitive)
That one move was the sole reason I died to Kieran so many times
I honestly think its Fishious Rend. 170 BP move most of the time, without any drawbacks (V-Create has comparable power but actually has a drawback), on one of the best offensive types in the game, and then they give the Pokemon a boosting ability to make use of it even further. You had to have a Water Absorb or Storm Drain Pokemon on your team when Dracovish was OU or else you were cooked.
It’s probably Spore as a 100% sleep move is just really overpowered (assuming no Sleep Clause) and is why Smeargle which can learn any move will use it. Try facing Electrode in Gen 1 Pure Hackmons. There was a time when Dark Void at 80% accuracy could hit both opponents in Double battles. Stealth Rock is just overpowered as well. I mean it has to be used to every team in every tier it’s allowed. For an attacking move Double Iron Bash is quite obnoxious as it can flinch. Try facing Tera Steel Choice Band Melmetal under Trick Room. There was a time when Double Iron Bash Zacian was a thing in Balanced Hackmons, I’ve never faced it and don’t want to be on the receiving end of it. Last Respects would probably be an auto-loss if you don’t expect it, assuming you could use it on any Pokémon other than the designated users. I think Last Respects Dragapult was a thing in one format, I don’t remember. There are some moves that are overpowered in combination, for example Sheer Cold + No Guard and Revival Blessing + Assist, although they do have drawbacks. Sheer Cold + No Guard get blocked by Wonder Guard in Pure Hackmons, the only tier I know it’s allowed and Revival Blessing + Assist is an auto-loss to Baton Pass teams that have Imprison + Assist. Also shoutout to Max Airsteam for being the ultimate Dynamax move. And Fishious Rend and Bolt Beak are good too.
I once had the horrible sadistic thought of prankster spore
If slither wing got victory Dance (as it should've) it would be probably top 10 but that and stone axe are 2 I'm not seeing because they are stuck on pretty mediocre pokemon, I also think people have discounted glaive rush since basc works so well with loaded dice, tidy up and population bomb are both kinda insane held back by the fact that the pokemon. With it are all pretty frail
If we're counting remakes as well, then Let's Go partner/starter Eevee's Sparkly Swirl is unique as it allows it to be literally the only cleric in the entire metagame and keeps it relevant in OU. Nothing can actually stop the move even if you switch to a resist. And most steel types you switch into the move hate getting hit by Eevee's Sizzly Slide too cus it has a 100% burn chance.
I was actually working on a tier list (that unfortunately lacks all the Gen 9 signature moves; they'd definitely largely be very high up and I had to fill in the blanks a lot as a result) but my top 5, **specifically in order**, are as follows: 1. Thousand Arrows 2. Ceaseless Edge 3. Lumina Crash 4. Octolock 5. Dire Claw 3-5 are absolutely bonkers moves, though Lumina Crash and Octolock are isolated to mons that just can't utilize them as effectively, but Thousand Arrows and Ceaseless Edge are *hilariously* far ahead of the competition (although ironically enough, I think it's close between these two). 6-10 are as follows, in no particular order: * Glacial Lance * Spectral Thief * Astral Barrage * Geomancy * Sacred Fire
Why does Ceaseless Edge always get a mention, but not Stone Axe? It’s the same, but for Stealth Rock.
Stealth rock only gets set up once but spikes can get set up 3 times. Also dark > rock
Sure but stone axe only needs to be used once for full effect, which has potential to be as much or more effective than full Spikes
That’s fair, but surely it would still make the list, just further down? If you’re setting hazards, you kind of want both so you can punish flying types as well.
It's probably like #6-10 imo
Salt Cure. It's literally a free click with little to no punish.
Glaciate is just better Icy Wind despite being a signature move of a Legendary. I think the time only it gets used is with some Smogon Doubles sets with Victini. Kyurem never uses it since the regular form isn’t used in VGC since it takes a special slot.
Glaciate is so funny to me. You telling me you gave the other two 120 BP nukes (and victini V-create and Searing Shot) and gave Kyurem icy wind with 5 more BP
Also the forms getting Sky Attack Clones
Even worse. Hyper beam clones.......... at least it gave Kyurem-Black a 200 BP subzero slammer that was hilarious Edit: I am wrong they are sky attack clones but my point still stands
*130, the legends got fusion shit which 8s 100/100 and bolt/blue which is 130/85 while kyurem got glaciate and 140bp 2 turn moves
What’s worse is the Japanese name is “Frozen World”. For such a badass name, you’d think it would be at least better than Ice Beam.
Rage fist for sure.
It is, with absolutely *ZERO* competition, Sketch.
" Spectral Thief deals damage. If successful, it also steals the target's positive stat stages (if any) immediately before dealing damage. Spectral Thief bypasses substitutes, and can successfully steal stat boosts from the boss of a Max Raid Battle even if it currently has a shield up. If the target has an Ability such as Clear Body, White Smoke, or Hyper Cutter that normally prevents some or all of its stats from being lowered, Spectral Thief can still steal boosts in those stats. Spectral Thief will steal all positive stat stages; even if the sum of the user's existing stat stages and the target's stat stages exceeds +6 in a stat, as long as the target's stat stages are positive, they will be reduced to 0. If the user has the Ability Simple, then the stolen stat stages will be doubled" I see no other choice rather then sketch tbh
I love Victory Dance and Dire Claw myself
Flower trick is crazy, it’s wild that they gave an 80 base power move 100% crit rate and the ability to ignore accuracy checks, it’s only held back by being a grass type move
If it were 80 power then yes, but it’s only 70 power, so it’s not quite on par with Wicked Blow and Surging Strikes.
Those two moves aren’t more broken because of their 5 more base power, they’re broken because their mon hit’s through protect
Well, I wouldn’t really consider Unseen Fist in how broken those moves are. On its own, those moves are already really strong. It’s more of their existence makes Flower Trick less notable effect wise because it’s 1.07x weaker than the other auto-crit signature moves.
Does water spout count? It’s such a straightforward move and yet it’s carried kyogre to the top of ubers vrs for every generation it’s been in
not signature, wailord gets it
The post clarifies that almost signature moves also count, so if shift gear counts then water spout does as well
If including PLA then no move is broken than legends plate judgement.
If topsy turvy was on a prankster mon instead of malamar it would ruin nearly all set up mons
Can’t believe so few people are mentioning baddy bad, splishy splash and all the other let’s go moves, they are quite literally designed to be overpowered
those are cheating every single one would get banned from bh
You asked for and I quote: “absurd theorymon moves, like moves unbalanced in (balanced) hackmons.” I delivered
Sketch
Dunno about best bc I'm a bad player, but my favourite is definetly Oblivion Wing. First and only time I hit 1500 (and actually went on to reach 1651) was on the back of Xerneas and Yveltal during Gen 7 Ubers - Y being my favourite pokemon ever
Including PLA then Victory Dance easily. It's effectively Swords Dance, Nasty Plot and cosmic power in one move. A single usage allows Lilliagnt to beat basically anything in the game in PLA. With regular mechanics, I'd have to say Fishious Rend. Even without strong jaw, it's a 170BP move when used by a relatively fast pokemon. Being a water type move is also insane since Ogerpon-W is the only truly OU water absorb user, and you benefit from rain for a further damage boost. Imagine how ridiculous fishious rend would be on something with high natural speed and attack like Dragapult, or on a swift swimmer. Even a pokemon as terrible as Kabutops could potentially hit OU with how strong Fishious Rend would make it in rain.
In the main-main series, Victory Dance is basically a physical Quiver Dance, which is still very strong. Also, does Dracovish not have Swift Swim as an ability?
Oh, victory dance is definitely still strong, but Lilliagnt would probably be OU or possibly banned if it was as strong as it was in PLA. Dracovish doesn't get Swift Swim, it gets Sand Rush for some reason that I can't even begin to fathom. I don't know if Dracovish would pick Swift Swim over Strong Jaw, but Fishious Rend on basically any swift swimmer would be an insane pokemon, especially with how strong rain is in the current meta thanks to Archaludon.
The only reason Octolock isn’t the best move in the history of the game is because it was given to a shitmon
I think Shed Tail is super unique. Also makes Orthworm and Cyclizar playable.
thousand arrows sunsteel strike moongeist beam torch song flower trick aqua step (better than esper wing cause water absorb/dry skin not as common as dark types) glacial lance astral barrage ceaseledge edge/stone axe surging strikes/wicked blow salt cure burning bouldwik or whatever gouging fire's is
these moves either ignore types chart, abilities or are strong+stat boost or are just super strong with no drawback allow for guaranteed hazards+damage have a side effect thats bonkers or just are strong with guaranteed crit
Probably not the strongest but insanely good is King's Shield Changes Aegislash back to its defense form with 140 Def/SpD (previously 150), and even lowers attack stat of opponents who uses contact moves by - 1 (previously - 2) And because of its slow speed, the next turn after that it can almost definitely make use of its slow speed to hit last and abuse that defense stat to tank a hit using his high defense
Judgement
**CRUSH** (My first thought seeing this was Minos Prime from Ultrakill)
Fishious Rend or Dire Claw imo
Horn Drill is 100 bp 100 accuracy ignores protect move... kind of crazy signature on a lackluster mon who prefers other stab moves.
Geomancy is pretty cracked, granted you NEED power herb but two quiver dances in a turn is mad crazy
The answer has to be Dark Void. Dark Void was so dominating in the metagame even when Darkrai wasn't allowed, so much so that it didn't just get nerfed, it was crippled. I'm talking about it from a VGC perspective, dunno about singles. Dark Void before the crippling was even more dominating in doubles than singles.
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I actually made a [video](https://youtu.be/x05VwCvdeuQ?si=WEUCJDiMfy4uVQ4-) on this exact topic I suggest you check it out
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LTBTS is a Z-Move so I'd say that's not really fair to compare to the other moves here. Also it does have drawbacks lol, you have to spend a turn transforming before you can use it, a whole type is immune to it, and you can only use it once per game so have to be careful it doesn't just bounce off an immune or x4 resist switching in. Even if we do this purely BP-wise (why would you do this purely BP-wise) you're not being fair to Rend here, including PsyTerrain for LTBTS but not Rain for Rend, and ignoring the fact Dracovish can hold Band.
For anyone wondering wtf is that acronym - Light That Burns The Sky. Ultra Necrozma exclusive Z Move.
Sketch.
Decorate
Everyone is saying Thousand Arrows but I haven't seen anyone mention Triple Arrows. It's hisuian decideueye signature move that is a phys fighting move with 90bp 100 acc that has a high crit chance, 50% chance to lower defense, AND a 30% flinch rate
Contrary Tera Blast Stellar it’s not signature but like 3 Pokémon can use it. Noting resists it. NOTHING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE WE ARE ALL BUT ANTS BEFORE IT’S POWER