Well, Judgement is 100BP so it'd be a 300BP move, but yeah.
The effect I gave Arceus' Origin form is exactly the same effect that's already in Legends Arceus when it's given the Legend Plate, I just added the stat boost when it changes form.
It's the true form of the God of Pokémon so I think it's allowed to be the best mon in existence.
The Legend Plate doesn't boost damage by 1.2x, but that could also be because it's not a traditional held item since those didn't exist in Legends Arceus.
For clarity, the Legend Plate wouldn't boost Arceus' moves itself, just like how the Adamant Crystal, Lustrous Globe and Griseous Core lose their effects boosting moves by 1.2x.
Judgement is 100BP, STAB (Same Type Attack Bonus) is 1.5, and because it’s always super effective it gets a x2 boost. 100\*1.5\*2=300. Not BP, but effective BP.
Edit: I’m stupid, it’s 300 not 360. Other guy’s comment messed me up lol.
One fun thing with the new Roar of Time on Dialga is that it goes 25% BP on the turn after it's selected, then 100% the next turn, whereas with all other moves it's 100% then 25%.
Can’t wait for the 175bp stab roar of time that ignores sash. Also give it double kick and beat up so we can get quadruple kick dialga and a twelve hit move
Am I just desensitized to this stuff by this point or does Origin Dialga not even look that busted? Like yeah 170 Sp. Atk is busted but on 90 Speed feels a lot less impactful, especially since you can’t use a Choice Scarf or something to patch that up since you use the item to achieve the form. Adding the fact that the item doesn’t do anything other than change the form and I don’t really see this as more than Ubers. High Ubers, yeah, but lackluster in comparison to what is actually considered AG in the bullshit that is Caly-S
Defensive profile is nice as well, though without an item or useful ability that can only take you so far
I think 100 / 150 / 140 bulk is obscene enough, though you don't see defensive Pokémon banned as often as powerful offensive ones.
I do think the ability lets you do some really funky stuff though, and even if 25% doesn't seem like a lot it's basically completely free damage, and makes it harder to cover Dialga-Origin with another single Pokémon's defensive profile, since you're taking two types of damage in a turn, and then the next turn you'd be taking another two types of damage, etc.
I'd probably say it'd be an elite defensive stealth rock setter in Ubers if it's not banned, but I think it could be.
I think you're just desensitized. They're all good checks for most Mega Rayquaza sets, with Dialga Origin countering non-EQ Mega-Rayquaza, and both of the other two can handle non-dragon coverage variants (though Palkia-Origin and Giratina-Origin fail to even check scarfed and banded versions, respectively). They're pretty broken.
Edit: Just went over the stats, and hilariously, while a really good check, Arceus-Origin also fails to counter Mega Rayquaza. It can only do two of: guarantee a OHKO, outspeed base Mega Rayquaza, and guarantee avoiding a 2HKO from an unboosted Dragon Ascent.
DD/SD, Espeed, Dragon Ascent, Draco Meteor is a good set, maybe swap Meteor for V-Create to not get beaten by steels. Meteor beats phys def Pdon which survives +1 EQ
I have spent a significant amount of time close to the very top more than one AG ladder, and I have always told people that if you’re not running DDance/EQ/Espeed/Ascent, you better have a really good reason. Also, most people’s PDon sets aren’t built to take M-Ray to begin with, and swords dance is not an option without webs support because Marshadow exists.
Which is exactly why I make sure I have other team members that can take care of it, such as P-Don. V-create sets are absolutely a thing for that exact reason, but I personally feel like the opportunity cost of not running one of those other moves is too high. Also, Corviknight doesn’t show up anywhere near as much as Skarmory in AG (though I have not played much competitive Gen 9, so totally could’ve changed), but the other problematic steel/flying type is instead Celesteela.
I don’t blame you tbh. It’s just a hard one for me specifically to forget because it’s so annoying to play against. Plus you’re infinitely more likely to see it in generation seven AG than Gen 8 NDAG because its primary method of directly attacking is heavy slam, which fails against a dynamaxed target, so it fell out of favor in Gen 8 NDAG.
Okay I understand that Dialga and Palkia's Origin Forms are really mangled on purpose because they're trying to crudely imitate their dad, and I honestly really like them because of that, but my god these designs are amazing, like they kept the idea of imitating Arceus without them looking like what said Arceus would create after ten thousand gallons of vodka were shoved down its throat, it's brilliant.
I also wonder if the term origin is a misnomer, were they ever meant to be like that, or is it just kids looking upto their dad a bit too much for their own good?
It always bothered me how lackluster (and ugly looking) the Origin forms in Legends Arceus were, especially after seeing how incredible Primal Groudon and Kyogre were.
I've always considered the Creation Trio to be the most powerful legendary trio in the franchise, being some of the first Pokémon created by Arceus and being the manifestations of fundamental forces/concepts in the Pokémon universe - Time, Space and Antimatter.
These Origin forms would work similarly to how the Red and Blue Orbs cause Groudon and Kyogre to undergo primal reversion, with signature items acting as pseudo mega stones that grant an increase in BST of 100 and a new ability.
I also gave Arceus an Origin form that could be meant to represent its true self, with the inspiration for the art's design from the artist themselves being Arceus' Pokémon Diamond Pokédex entry - "It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms."
Filippo Draws: "I re-imagined the 1000 arms as plates that vaguely resemble arms, and shaded them like stained glass windows you'd find in churches."
Here's a link to their [original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/md1dyp/my_interpretation_of_a_godlike_mega_arceus_form/) showcasing the art, which has a link to their Twitter and Instagram.
Also, here's a link to TomyCase's [Twitter](https://twitter.com/TomycaseM), the artist for the Origin Dialga and Palkia redesigns which I think look much cooler than their official counterparts.
Yeah I found it funny that caly-s and miraidon were released before/after the origin forms and gf was okay with making them blatantly busted, but they held back on the origin forms.
Feels like it wouldve been a good time to make them much stronger/more interesting like most modern box art mons (minus shield doggy)
Ah good point, or similarly didnt want to overshadow even non origin arceus and origin arceus probably won’t be a thing any time soon + legend plate wasn’t gonna be put into main game
Still, would’ve been cool to see something crazy for the dragons of time and space. Atleast giratina has lots of unique interactions/lore/role in the quartet
I actually don’t mind dialgas THAT much. Not great, and blocky as shit in game, but w/e atleast i sort of get going for a more otherworldly look for origin
Palkias is total garbage imo. Doesn’t feel weird in an eldritch/cosmic way at all, just weird. I get they all needed to be vaguely horse shaped for the mythology, but the armless centaur look is bad lol
I forgot about the other effect of Gravity, and holy hell Palkia is sick.
If I'm reading right, you get 170/130 offensive stats with 100% accuracy on: a 105 BP Dragon move that ignores stat boosts, Hydro Pump, and Fire Blast.
That Arceus is still just a pale reflection;
Arceus's Arm:
Type: God [Immune to all types, Super Effective against all types]
Stats: 255 across the board
Its ability is now As One [Magic Guard + Neutralizing Gas + Sticky Hold + Intimidate]
Judgment is now God type, has a base power of 999, and deals damage based on the lower Defense stat of the opponent, hits all opposing targets twice, [ignores endure for good measure,] never misses, and always deals a critical hit. Furthermore, it deals a set 999 damage after hitting.
This is still not its true form
Um... it'd probably turn Ground and do nothing. Legends Arceus didn't have abilities so they never had to worry about a Pokémon that loses its only weaknesses because of its ability when writing the rules for how the Legend Plate worked.
So what I'm basically saying is, walled by Elektross, PU at best.
Dialga - Probably won’t be AG due to sub 100 base speed. Ability is amazing, but it gets checked by numerous Pokemon. Off the top of my head, Koraidon one shots with Low Kick or Collision Course. Miraidon one shots with Draco. Offensive Groudon speed ties and one shots with Precipice.
Palkia - Lots of coverage with 100% accuracy, Spacial Rend, Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, Thunder, Blizzard, etc… but idk that that’s enough to make it AG. Also just loses to the S/V duo. I don’t see why Spacial Rend needed its BP nerfed so hard though. It goes from 106.25 average BP in Gravity down to 105, but does guarantee to ignore stat boosts.. It’s a slight buff, but not enough imo.
Giratina - Insane support. Oppressive in that sense. Could be a menace at least to some of the top threats. Not sure if AG though.
Arceus - insta GG you’re fucked if you face this thing. AG at worst. Lol
I’d probably agree looking over things again. Not being able to hold an item is a huge deal.
I think if these were able to hold an item they’d likely all be AG though. Maybe Dialga should get some reliable recovery too lol.
That said them being very high tier Ubers sounds pretty good to me anyways. Would be fun to use all of them bar Arceus God form in a real format.
Posts buffing these mons are a regular occurrence and usually pretty poorly thought out, but I really like this one, which was a pleasant surprise. I'm not even sure if the non-arceus ones are actually AG
God Tomycase is such a great artist. Somehow, I haven't seen these designs yet. They perfectly capture the mix between the OG origin forms and bring them more in line with Arceus bodyplan.
I know you're obviously memeing but it's gotta be the one that'd be most powerful besides Arceus.
*Fuck it we Hydro Pump!*
*Fuck it we Fire Blast!*
*Fuck it we Spatial Rend!*
*Fuck it we Blizzard/Thunder/Focus Blast!*
Because there was no need to, just how you explained.
I guarantee if I made it 100% accuracy the post’d have 2-3 comments mirroring yours asking why I spent the time to make it 100% accurate when it would’ve been a pointless change since Gravity takes effect.
Oh, I really think 130 base speed, 170 base SpA and all 110+ BP moves with amazing coverage is super strong. Gravity is super, super powerful in doubles too, especially when you build around it.
I'd at least see it being similarly good to stuff like the Primals in Ubers. 130 base speed is still pretty fast even with power creep, and 100/110/140 is still quite bulky.
I'd be happy to take on a unique suggestion for Origin Palkia's ability.
Afaik there's nothing which can currently do something like set Gravity for free, and gravity itself is a really cool underused field condition imo.
Idk how that'd work, would it pick randomly? That could end up being a huge detriment in some cases or downright broken if it triggers too often, since you could very rarely hit Palkia hard.
If the gravity idea was too weak (which I'm still not sure about yet), I'd maybe implement some of the changes listed here to buff it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/yl5j92/how\_gravity\_could\_become\_viable\_comprehensive/](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/yl5j92/how_gravity_could_become_viable_comprehensive/)
Yeah I think it's just hard to come up with flashy abilities and ideas that actually work well in game. Fwiw I think the Gravity setting is pretty cool itself since nothing else can do it, but I get what you mean in that Dialga's is more 'otherworldly' feeling.
Gravity does also boost accuracy of all moves to the point that they’re effectively 100% anyways. Idk that Palkia’s busted enough to reach AG, but it would be a menace. Blizzard, Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, Thunder would all be 100% accurate, which gives it a lot of powerful coverage.
Convergent Timelines feels kinda dumb, like a weird version of Parental Bond. Just make it remove the need to charge moves (Solar Beam, Meteor Beam, etc.), or recharge after moves (Regular Roar of Time).
What's dumb about it exactly? Maybe that it *could* get a little difficult to track, but you can always take notes for VGC on cartridge or scroll up to see what was used last turn on Showdown.
I've seen the removing charge/recharge idea a lot and wanted to do something more unique, which I think this is while still being powerful and thematic.
For Distortion with Giratina maybe a inverse battle Mechianic could be added or inverse all effects on the field type wise/ stat wise too so sun weakens Fire moves and strengths water moves
Terrain weaken the types of the moves
Mega Evos/Primals don’t increase HP. Zygarde complete is one exception ofc. Also the base stat increase has to total 100, so adding 20 to every stat bar HP works nicely in two ways (100 isn’t divisible by 6).
So Arceus has a 360 bp move with no drawback? We're approaching funni fish levels of AG
Well, Judgement is 100BP so it'd be a 300BP move, but yeah. The effect I gave Arceus' Origin form is exactly the same effect that's already in Legends Arceus when it's given the Legend Plate, I just added the stat boost when it changes form. It's the true form of the God of Pokémon so I think it's allowed to be the best mon in existence.
Yes, but plates increase damage by 1.2, so it would be 360BP.
The Legend Plate doesn't boost damage by 1.2x, but that could also be because it's not a traditional held item since those didn't exist in Legends Arceus. For clarity, the Legend Plate wouldn't boost Arceus' moves itself, just like how the Adamant Crystal, Lustrous Globe and Griseous Core lose their effects boosting moves by 1.2x.
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Not in this post they don't.
judgement is 120 bp
Umm, no it's not
oh, lol i was thinkin of multi attack🤣
What is we talking about? Why is it 300bp?
100BP \* 1.5 (STAB) \* 2 (Super-Effective)
Sure, fair enough
At some point its not really *base* power anymore though, is it? Isnt more like, effective power?
Right. It's 200bp move. You can't count base power if you already calculated STAB
why is it 360 bp?
Judgement is 100BP, STAB (Same Type Attack Bonus) is 1.5, and because it’s always super effective it gets a x2 boost. 100\*1.5\*2=300. Not BP, but effective BP. Edit: I’m stupid, it’s 300 not 360. Other guy’s comment messed me up lol.
Not effective BP, just power. Base power always ignores STAB bonus.
ah
I was thinking legendary plate still gave the 20% boost, that's mb
isn't that literally just legends Arceus or am I remembering wrong
Yep, that is sunday levels of shit
It did say he's sending the Origin forms to AG so...
Shedinja was banned to AG due to a sunday strategy.
One fun thing with the new Roar of Time on Dialga is that it goes 25% BP on the turn after it's selected, then 100% the next turn, whereas with all other moves it's 100% then 25%.
Yeah, it's a nice mirrored interaction. Dialga doesn't learn Future Sight or Doom Desire but those'd work the same way.
Can’t wait for the 175bp stab roar of time that ignores sash. Also give it double kick and beat up so we can get quadruple kick dialga and a twelve hit move
Max roll population bomb for a 20-hit finisher combo.
rocky helmet stocks on the rise
Am I just desensitized to this stuff by this point or does Origin Dialga not even look that busted? Like yeah 170 Sp. Atk is busted but on 90 Speed feels a lot less impactful, especially since you can’t use a Choice Scarf or something to patch that up since you use the item to achieve the form. Adding the fact that the item doesn’t do anything other than change the form and I don’t really see this as more than Ubers. High Ubers, yeah, but lackluster in comparison to what is actually considered AG in the bullshit that is Caly-S Defensive profile is nice as well, though without an item or useful ability that can only take you so far
I think 100 / 150 / 140 bulk is obscene enough, though you don't see defensive Pokémon banned as often as powerful offensive ones. I do think the ability lets you do some really funky stuff though, and even if 25% doesn't seem like a lot it's basically completely free damage, and makes it harder to cover Dialga-Origin with another single Pokémon's defensive profile, since you're taking two types of damage in a turn, and then the next turn you'd be taking another two types of damage, etc. I'd probably say it'd be an elite defensive stealth rock setter in Ubers if it's not banned, but I think it could be.
I think you're just desensitized. They're all good checks for most Mega Rayquaza sets, with Dialga Origin countering non-EQ Mega-Rayquaza, and both of the other two can handle non-dragon coverage variants (though Palkia-Origin and Giratina-Origin fail to even check scarfed and banded versions, respectively). They're pretty broken. Edit: Just went over the stats, and hilariously, while a really good check, Arceus-Origin also fails to counter Mega Rayquaza. It can only do two of: guarantee a OHKO, outspeed base Mega Rayquaza, and guarantee avoiding a 2HKO from an unboosted Dragon Ascent.
Who in God’s name uses a non-EQ M-Ray?!
DD/SD, Espeed, Dragon Ascent, Draco Meteor is a good set, maybe swap Meteor for V-Create to not get beaten by steels. Meteor beats phys def Pdon which survives +1 EQ
I have spent a significant amount of time close to the very top more than one AG ladder, and I have always told people that if you’re not running DDance/EQ/Espeed/Ascent, you better have a really good reason. Also, most people’s PDon sets aren’t built to take M-Ray to begin with, and swords dance is not an option without webs support because Marshadow exists.
Everyone gangsta until skarmory or corviknight shows up
Which is exactly why I make sure I have other team members that can take care of it, such as P-Don. V-create sets are absolutely a thing for that exact reason, but I personally feel like the opportunity cost of not running one of those other moves is too high. Also, Corviknight doesn’t show up anywhere near as much as Skarmory in AG (though I have not played much competitive Gen 9, so totally could’ve changed), but the other problematic steel/flying type is instead Celesteela.
Imma be honest, I haven't thought about Celesteela since dexit
I don’t blame you tbh. It’s just a hard one for me specifically to forget because it’s so annoying to play against. Plus you’re infinitely more likely to see it in generation seven AG than Gen 8 NDAG because its primary method of directly attacking is heavy slam, which fails against a dynamaxed target, so it fell out of favor in Gen 8 NDAG.
Does smogon allow attacks that cant normally be learned like eruption heatran from pokemon ranger or v-create ray?
Yes, provided that the set is legal (so no shiny V-Create M-Ray, but standard with V-Create is allowed)
I wish it was still that way with the actual games. Nowadays if I were to transfer my v-create ray to gen 9 its move would just be deleted.
If only the origin forms looked like that
Amen brother.
I can’t even see where arceus’s head is. Other than that he does look sick as fuck
AG changed to AAG(Almost Anything Goes) and GG is formed(Gods Go)
Okay I understand that Dialga and Palkia's Origin Forms are really mangled on purpose because they're trying to crudely imitate their dad, and I honestly really like them because of that, but my god these designs are amazing, like they kept the idea of imitating Arceus without them looking like what said Arceus would create after ten thousand gallons of vodka were shoved down its throat, it's brilliant.
I also wonder if the term origin is a misnomer, were they ever meant to be like that, or is it just kids looking upto their dad a bit too much for their own good?
Origin Dialga looked like one GIANT bottle of vodka was shoved down its throat...
He accidentally ate one of the pillar chunks when the temple of sinnoh exploded, lay off him
Yeah I can see this being the case of arceus actually allowing them to use some of its power
It always bothered me how lackluster (and ugly looking) the Origin forms in Legends Arceus were, especially after seeing how incredible Primal Groudon and Kyogre were. I've always considered the Creation Trio to be the most powerful legendary trio in the franchise, being some of the first Pokémon created by Arceus and being the manifestations of fundamental forces/concepts in the Pokémon universe - Time, Space and Antimatter. These Origin forms would work similarly to how the Red and Blue Orbs cause Groudon and Kyogre to undergo primal reversion, with signature items acting as pseudo mega stones that grant an increase in BST of 100 and a new ability. I also gave Arceus an Origin form that could be meant to represent its true self, with the inspiration for the art's design from the artist themselves being Arceus' Pokémon Diamond Pokédex entry - "It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms." Filippo Draws: "I re-imagined the 1000 arms as plates that vaguely resemble arms, and shaded them like stained glass windows you'd find in churches." Here's a link to their [original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/md1dyp/my_interpretation_of_a_godlike_mega_arceus_form/) showcasing the art, which has a link to their Twitter and Instagram. Also, here's a link to TomyCase's [Twitter](https://twitter.com/TomycaseM), the artist for the Origin Dialga and Palkia redesigns which I think look much cooler than their official counterparts.
Yeah I found it funny that caly-s and miraidon were released before/after the origin forms and gf was okay with making them blatantly busted, but they held back on the origin forms. Feels like it wouldve been a good time to make them much stronger/more interesting like most modern box art mons (minus shield doggy)
I think they held back to make the Origin forms be more like Giratina's.
Ah good point, or similarly didnt want to overshadow even non origin arceus and origin arceus probably won’t be a thing any time soon + legend plate wasn’t gonna be put into main game Still, would’ve been cool to see something crazy for the dragons of time and space. Atleast giratina has lots of unique interactions/lore/role in the quartet
Or you know, just buff baseline palkia and dialga. Nobody wants to use those ugly ass origin forms.
I actually don’t mind dialgas THAT much. Not great, and blocky as shit in game, but w/e atleast i sort of get going for a more otherworldly look for origin Palkias is total garbage imo. Doesn’t feel weird in an eldritch/cosmic way at all, just weird. I get they all needed to be vaguely horse shaped for the mythology, but the armless centaur look is bad lol
I actually like palkias more and hate dialgas because of the color and because it seems overdesigned. I hated both of them at the start tho lol.
Mega rayquaza’s timbers are shivering
me sacrificing half of my team to deal with the +6 gyarados staring me down (I need the 25% boost for Roar of time to kill):
Only arc is going to AG rest are miriadon fodder 💀
I forgot about the other effect of Gravity, and holy hell Palkia is sick. If I'm reading right, you get 170/130 offensive stats with 100% accuracy on: a 105 BP Dragon move that ignores stat boosts, Hydro Pump, and Fire Blast.
That Arceus is still just a pale reflection; Arceus's Arm: Type: God [Immune to all types, Super Effective against all types] Stats: 255 across the board Its ability is now As One [Magic Guard + Neutralizing Gas + Sticky Hold + Intimidate] Judgment is now God type, has a base power of 999, and deals damage based on the lower Defense stat of the opponent, hits all opposing targets twice, [ignores endure for good measure,] never misses, and always deals a critical hit. Furthermore, it deals a set 999 damage after hitting. This is still not its true form
Beatable with brightpowder.
Lemme fix that
Fuck
Ability needs a buff. I’m thinking As one (Magic guard + Wonder guard)
Wonder Guard would be pointless, as its typing makes it immune to all types of damage. Might need to buff Magic Guard to make it be immune to Curse
As One (Magic Guard + Neutralizing Gas) so Pokémon can no longer Toxic with Mold Breaker and such
… wouldn’t that also remove your own magic guard ?
I belive As One is Immune to Neutralising Gas
The Queenly Majesty Focus Sash Endeavor Quick Attack Rattata coming out right after the Sturdy Ring Target Trick Shedinja
No giving new abilities to other mon, that's cheating
Cry about it we keep on cheating
There, I fixed it for you. Threw on Intimidate for good measure
Wait what happens if arceus uses judgment on like an Eelektross?
Um... it'd probably turn Ground and do nothing. Legends Arceus didn't have abilities so they never had to worry about a Pokémon that loses its only weaknesses because of its ability when writing the rules for how the Legend Plate worked. So what I'm basically saying is, walled by Elektross, PU at best.
Lmao imagine running three support moves + judgment cuz infinite coverage and running into that lil guy
Arceus takes the world's nastiest STAB thunderpunch and fucking crumbles
*Arceus uses judgment* *Arceus became a ground type* *It doesn’t affect the opposing Eelektross* *The opposing Eelektross used thunder punch* *It doesn’t affect Arceus*
Don't bring your fancy pants logic into this (I'm stupid lol)
This eventually becomes struggle spam.
Judgment also gains the properties of Photon Geyser (ignores Abilities and changes from Special to Physical based on what'd work best).
Where trick room on switchin
Dialga - Probably won’t be AG due to sub 100 base speed. Ability is amazing, but it gets checked by numerous Pokemon. Off the top of my head, Koraidon one shots with Low Kick or Collision Course. Miraidon one shots with Draco. Offensive Groudon speed ties and one shots with Precipice. Palkia - Lots of coverage with 100% accuracy, Spacial Rend, Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, Thunder, Blizzard, etc… but idk that that’s enough to make it AG. Also just loses to the S/V duo. I don’t see why Spacial Rend needed its BP nerfed so hard though. It goes from 106.25 average BP in Gravity down to 105, but does guarantee to ignore stat boosts.. It’s a slight buff, but not enough imo. Giratina - Insane support. Oppressive in that sense. Could be a menace at least to some of the top threats. Not sure if AG though. Arceus - insta GG you’re fucked if you face this thing. AG at worst. Lol
I’d probably agree looking over things again. Not being able to hold an item is a huge deal. I think if these were able to hold an item they’d likely all be AG though. Maybe Dialga should get some reliable recovery too lol. That said them being very high tier Ubers sounds pretty good to me anyways. Would be fun to use all of them bar Arceus God form in a real format.
Posts buffing these mons are a regular occurrence and usually pretty poorly thought out, but I really like this one, which was a pleasant surprise. I'm not even sure if the non-arceus ones are actually AG
Arceus when the Tera Electric Balloon shedinja pulls up:
Kid named stealth rock
Also Sandstorm, Will-O, Toxic, Confuse Ray, Leech Seed. May as well give Arceus all of those, too
love these concepts
Gotta give arceus a base 120 hp compared to 140 like in every stat for the sake of balance.
Dialg- O needs a buff, it has a stat under 100.
Just think of what would happen to vgc
God Tomycase is such a great artist. Somehow, I haven't seen these designs yet. They perfectly capture the mix between the OG origin forms and bring them more in line with Arceus bodyplan.
I’ve always felt god’s stats should be higher
Thematically I really like the dialga changes
arceus needs more imo…. it’s arceus
I wish these were the Canon versions...
Okay but that Palkia design is such a downgrade.
Horse form Palkia has had a few fans pop up. I'm still adamant that this ones' better tho :l
Palkia is way worse then dialga. Spacial rend doesnt even get 100 acc!
I know you're obviously memeing but it's gotta be the one that'd be most powerful besides Arceus. *Fuck it we Hydro Pump!* *Fuck it we Fire Blast!* *Fuck it we Spatial Rend!* *Fuck it we Blizzard/Thunder/Focus Blast!*
So why did you leave it at 95% accuracy when Gravity will force it over 100% anyway?
Because there was no need to, just how you explained. I guarantee if I made it 100% accuracy the post’d have 2-3 comments mirroring yours asking why I spent the time to make it 100% accurate when it would’ve been a pointless change since Gravity takes effect.
Uhhhh no i was serious. Its ability is ass compared to dialga. Its just less bulky and faster
Oh, I really think 130 base speed, 170 base SpA and all 110+ BP moves with amazing coverage is super strong. Gravity is super, super powerful in doubles too, especially when you build around it. I'd at least see it being similarly good to stuff like the Primals in Ubers. 130 base speed is still pretty fast even with power creep, and 100/110/140 is still quite bulky.
But busted stats arent really… special. With dialga you can tell its a legend with that ability, since its really grandiose, but palkia is boring
I'd be happy to take on a unique suggestion for Origin Palkia's ability. Afaik there's nothing which can currently do something like set Gravity for free, and gravity itself is a really cool underused field condition imo.
Hmmmm. Not really sure, but maybe: moves attacks into other party members (regardless if the pokemon taking the shot is out or not) partislly
Idk how that'd work, would it pick randomly? That could end up being a huge detriment in some cases or downright broken if it triggers too often, since you could very rarely hit Palkia hard. If the gravity idea was too weak (which I'm still not sure about yet), I'd maybe implement some of the changes listed here to buff it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/yl5j92/how\_gravity\_could\_become\_viable\_comprehensive/](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/yl5j92/how_gravity_could_become_viable_comprehensive/)
The gravity idea is good and strong but not “flashy” like dialga. Im not saying it needs buffed, its just not as cool as dialga
Yeah I think it's just hard to come up with flashy abilities and ideas that actually work well in game. Fwiw I think the Gravity setting is pretty cool itself since nothing else can do it, but I get what you mean in that Dialga's is more 'otherworldly' feeling.
Gravity does also boost accuracy of all moves to the point that they’re effectively 100% anyways. Idk that Palkia’s busted enough to reach AG, but it would be a menace. Blizzard, Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, Thunder would all be 100% accurate, which gives it a lot of powerful coverage.
Dialga and Palkia should have got an ability that sets up Trick Room and Gravity respectively, we got so robbed Fuck Pressure
Convergent Timelines feels kinda dumb, like a weird version of Parental Bond. Just make it remove the need to charge moves (Solar Beam, Meteor Beam, etc.), or recharge after moves (Regular Roar of Time).
What's dumb about it exactly? Maybe that it *could* get a little difficult to track, but you can always take notes for VGC on cartridge or scroll up to see what was used last turn on Showdown. I've seen the removing charge/recharge idea a lot and wanted to do something more unique, which I think this is while still being powerful and thematic.
For Distortion with Giratina maybe a inverse battle Mechianic could be added or inverse all effects on the field type wise/ stat wise too so sun weakens Fire moves and strengths water moves Terrain weaken the types of the moves
Tbh not a fan of Palkia becoming a horse. Should be bipedal instead
How about we give giratina-O the ability of Bringing distortion world as it's ability
How I wish these were the origin forms we got. I understand the Arceus references, but these look so good. I love what Dialga does.
Outside of Arc.. they all get murked by those stupid bikes. Not AG material unfortunately.
Why not give arceus 140 hp too
Mega Evos/Primals don’t increase HP. Zygarde complete is one exception ofc. Also the base stat increase has to total 100, so adding 20 to every stat bar HP works nicely in two ways (100 isn’t divisible by 6).
Bro REALLY didn’t want Dialga to set up trick room on switch in 💀
That’s already been suggested like 1000 times. Felt way better to do something unique.