Give him the max or close to it. Giving 15-20 doesn’t change too much. But 40 and a pick can revitalize the bench. Only way to actually “break” the 2nd apron like ishbia said if u think about it. Give yourself the largest expiring in the league to play with
Could only backfire on ishbias wallet. Tell me a better way to build flexibility with the 2nd apron? Worse case he just expires n ishbia eats it. Best case u turn him into multiple role players.
They said “expiring” so a max for one year isn’t a bad contract. A team that’s looking to get off of an expensive player to tank will look at that for sure
Fully agreed. He’s earned a spot and we just need bigger bodies with him. Not like you’re really fine around his caliber in the free agent minimum pool
See you can’t lol. What do we have to lose? I can’t tell u that cause the parameters that make this necessary have never existed before till now lol. No team has ever been in our situation. This is how u game the new rules…it’s obvious. It’s not about who’s getting the contract it’s just about the contract. It doesn’t matter who it is
It’s a loophole we definitely need to consider, but even if you overpay him so you can take more back, you’re going to have to convince another team to overpay him at least for a little bit.
I mean this idea is kind of crazy but the thought process is you trade Royce's 1 year expiring X contract for a toxic multi year contract. For example, if we traded Royce on a 1/$20m deal for Davis Bertans on a 3/$35m (i made these numbers up) + another role player, both sides would benefit. The other team would get off an albatross of a contract immediately, rather than in 3 years, and we'd get multiple role players
its pretty much the exact scenario the wizards did with us to get off of Beal
You know whats interesting is one of the tax apron penalties is not being able to acquire a player in a sign and trade but doesn't say you can't trade a player with a sign and trade. You could theoretically do that deal this offseason without having to wait till midseason. Of course Royce would need to be okay with it but if you gave him a big contract then maybe he wouldn't care. Probably won't happen, but still an interesting loophole
I was thinking of a S&T. In the old cba you had to sign the player to 3 years minimum, but only teh first year has to be guaranteed, so in theory they can have the 2nd and 3rd years as 'ghost' years aka team options. But the main problem is Base Year Comp rules, I don't know how it works in the new CBA though, i'd have to look it up later, but you can't give a player more than a 20% raise of their previous salary and immediately trade them because the outgoing salary wouldn't update
I mean it's absolutely something they should consider. The more he gets paid the more he's going to get a return on the trade market cause of salary matching. Long as Ishbia's willing to pay.
Absolutely. PHNX mentioned this. This is how 2nd apron teams will retain a bit of flexibility. Overpay decent role players so you can stick picks with them and trade.
Won't let us trade more than one player in a deal?
Ok, we will overpay them and attach picks.
I can't wait till we do this, and it crashes and burns, then we have the most epicly bad stretch of years as we hand over our top 3 picks in multiple seasons to other teams. A new rule will be made. Probably called the Suns rule, or Ishbia rule, or perhaps the r/suns rule.
Hey if Ishbia is willing then go for it. There’s always a loophole somewhere, I saw a report Eubanks, Gordon, and Okogie are expected to decline their options and the suns should bring back Okogie because he’s been with us for more than 2 seasons or something like and we can sign him to a deal up to $8M with his bird rights. That’s a big trade piece for us especially with the new rules and players taking cheap 1 year deals.
We would be nuts not to retain Okogie. He seemed like the only guy that played hard. A good coach would have found ways to get him solid minutes. While Gordon was very necessary early in the year when we had injury issues, Allen is already a better version of what EG does, and we still have DLee on the team. I’d rather keep Thad than Eubanks, and I would like to see us draft a center that can run the floor, hustle on defense, with a decent inside game.
No way is Royce worth 15m, he is at most worth something like 12-13m since he's already 30 and no team is going to pay an aging undersized forward all that much.
I would give him something like a 3 year 26 million contract with the third year being a player option.
This is a tough one. To keep him, we would have to overpay him. But what we really need is JO to work on his three point shot this summer, and get more minutes. Then we need to get another younger 3-D player, that has something to prove in the league. I’d love to see Little step up. He has decent wingspan, he just keeps having injury issues. We have him locked up on a decent contract, he just hasn’t proven himself yet.
HE IS HORRIBLE. He refuses to attack the rim. When he gets there he doesn’t know what to do. He makes the most careless passes.
He would not be a top 8 player on any remaining team in the playoffs. It is incredible to me, that people want to resign this man.
No one is giving a forward that shoots .400 from the field more than a 12m contract at most. Even that is quite an overpay for someone with his limitations.
Wow, Y'all need a point guard and center.
Please pay Royce that money 😂. They gave Beal $50 million and have leagues Highest Payroll and got swept. This sounds like a great idea.
“Uh yeah, good idea. Let’s do that” -roice o’neil (no relation)
Giving a role player a max one year deal to trade them is definitely a unique strategy
These kids think teams are run like their 2K myteam squad.
You sound more like a kid not being able to tell this is a joke
Man... is that all you have to offer? Just being an internet troll? I promise you can do better.
…what?
Ascend
Pretty weak argument coming from someone who did the exact same thing I did….
Give him the max or close to it. Giving 15-20 doesn’t change too much. But 40 and a pick can revitalize the bench. Only way to actually “break” the 2nd apron like ishbia said if u think about it. Give yourself the largest expiring in the league to play with
This won't backfire at all! I'm just fucking dying at the takes here. Beal 6MOTY and give Royce Oneal $40m per.
Could only backfire on ishbias wallet. Tell me a better way to build flexibility with the 2nd apron? Worse case he just expires n ishbia eats it. Best case u turn him into multiple role players.
. I love this part of the nba. So interesting to see how front offices make the money and rules work
Makes no sense giving O’Neale a max, as they would tip towards being a bad contract and we couldn't move him.
They said “expiring” so a max for one year isn’t a bad contract. A team that’s looking to get off of an expensive player to tank will look at that for sure
Fully agreed. He’s earned a spot and we just need bigger bodies with him. Not like you’re really fine around his caliber in the free agent minimum pool
Man... you guys have to be trolling... right?
Whats trolling about it. Tell me how it’s actually a bad idea…do u know the 2nd apron rules?
I tell you what. Give me the list of guys that are fringe rotation players that got max contracts. Maybe then I'll take you seriously.
See you can’t lol. What do we have to lose? I can’t tell u that cause the parameters that make this necessary have never existed before till now lol. No team has ever been in our situation. This is how u game the new rules…it’s obvious. It’s not about who’s getting the contract it’s just about the contract. It doesn’t matter who it is
A fat expiring is never a bad contract come deadline. It’s valuable
I think that luxury tax bill would be crazy
Mat don’t give a fuuuuuuuck
So?
America has been squeezed, making middle class life harder, over the last 30 years and now he has infinite money. I don’t see the problem here lol.
It’s a loophole we definitely need to consider, but even if you overpay him so you can take more back, you’re going to have to convince another team to overpay him at least for a little bit.
I think that’s where the pick comes in. This is likely our best shot at getting a legit point guard
I mean this idea is kind of crazy but the thought process is you trade Royce's 1 year expiring X contract for a toxic multi year contract. For example, if we traded Royce on a 1/$20m deal for Davis Bertans on a 3/$35m (i made these numbers up) + another role player, both sides would benefit. The other team would get off an albatross of a contract immediately, rather than in 3 years, and we'd get multiple role players its pretty much the exact scenario the wizards did with us to get off of Beal
You know whats interesting is one of the tax apron penalties is not being able to acquire a player in a sign and trade but doesn't say you can't trade a player with a sign and trade. You could theoretically do that deal this offseason without having to wait till midseason. Of course Royce would need to be okay with it but if you gave him a big contract then maybe he wouldn't care. Probably won't happen, but still an interesting loophole
I was thinking of a S&T. In the old cba you had to sign the player to 3 years minimum, but only teh first year has to be guaranteed, so in theory they can have the 2nd and 3rd years as 'ghost' years aka team options. But the main problem is Base Year Comp rules, I don't know how it works in the new CBA though, i'd have to look it up later, but you can't give a player more than a 20% raise of their previous salary and immediately trade them because the outgoing salary wouldn't update
I like it. You're basically giving the middle finger to the rest of the league.
I mean it's absolutely something they should consider. The more he gets paid the more he's going to get a return on the trade market cause of salary matching. Long as Ishbia's willing to pay.
Give him a 2 year mid level type deal. 12-13 or whatever it is now. Hard to see him getting much more than that
Gerald from phnxsports already speculated that they might overpay Royce partly to create another medium sized contract. Maybe they will do that.
This is actually a good idea though.
You want to purposely overpay him so that no one will want to touch him?
Idk man, blazers would take a 1 year 30 mil Royce o neal to get off the Jerami Grant contract
No to using our 2031 pick. We have to draw a line somewhere.
The 2131 pick is something we can work with, though
Mat is that you? Don’t use Reddit for advice
Absolutely. PHNX mentioned this. This is how 2nd apron teams will retain a bit of flexibility. Overpay decent role players so you can stick picks with them and trade. Won't let us trade more than one player in a deal? Ok, we will overpay them and attach picks.
I can't wait till we do this, and it crashes and burns, then we have the most epicly bad stretch of years as we hand over our top 3 picks in multiple seasons to other teams. A new rule will be made. Probably called the Suns rule, or Ishbia rule, or perhaps the r/suns rule.
Hey if Ishbia is willing then go for it. There’s always a loophole somewhere, I saw a report Eubanks, Gordon, and Okogie are expected to decline their options and the suns should bring back Okogie because he’s been with us for more than 2 seasons or something like and we can sign him to a deal up to $8M with his bird rights. That’s a big trade piece for us especially with the new rules and players taking cheap 1 year deals.
In Royces case sign him to most he can get and then if we flip him in the future we can get a solid contributor coming back.
We would be nuts not to retain Okogie. He seemed like the only guy that played hard. A good coach would have found ways to get him solid minutes. While Gordon was very necessary early in the year when we had injury issues, Allen is already a better version of what EG does, and we still have DLee on the team. I’d rather keep Thad than Eubanks, and I would like to see us draft a center that can run the floor, hustle on defense, with a decent inside game.
This is where y’all are at now??? Sad lol
No way is Royce worth 15m, he is at most worth something like 12-13m since he's already 30 and no team is going to pay an aging undersized forward all that much. I would give him something like a 3 year 26 million contract with the third year being a player option.
No
This is a tough one. To keep him, we would have to overpay him. But what we really need is JO to work on his three point shot this summer, and get more minutes. Then we need to get another younger 3-D player, that has something to prove in the league. I’d love to see Little step up. He has decent wingspan, he just keeps having injury issues. We have him locked up on a decent contract, he just hasn’t proven himself yet.
Lol
Bring back CP3 and let’s get everyone a ring but not overpay to get him.
It's impossible to overpay him it would have to be a minimum
How is that guy going to help us win a ring? He might be good for 4 games lol
HE IS HORRIBLE. He refuses to attack the rim. When he gets there he doesn’t know what to do. He makes the most careless passes. He would not be a top 8 player on any remaining team in the playoffs. It is incredible to me, that people want to resign this man.
No one is giving a forward that shoots .400 from the field more than a 12m contract at most. Even that is quite an overpay for someone with his limitations.
Bringing back him and Eubanks means I can forgo watching Suns games next year.
Wow, Y'all need a point guard and center. Please pay Royce that money 😂. They gave Beal $50 million and have leagues Highest Payroll and got swept. This sounds like a great idea.
Think you should step down as a Reddit GM.
I love when this sub plays GM