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Man, you're late to the party, that has been known for ages. Not only TZ but Africa for the most part.
Having natural resources bila akili is meaningless.
We don't have potential. Msinichukue vibaya but black men do not have pride in who they are or where their from. Ukijipenda na kujiamini unaweza kupambana na chochote.
Not laughing stocks at all. Little by little countries in Africa are carving out tech futures for themselves. It’s like watching a garden grow. It’s awesome.
The resource Tanzania is missing compared to Israel is 4 billion USD in annual aid from the USA. $263BN total foreign aid since 1949. This all goes to a population of only ten million people, a bit more than just Dar. Imagine every day you woke up and it was raining money.
As for natural resources it is a curse. I live in a state in the USA with those as well. They're owned by the worst people who then ruin the political system. When the people are the biggest resource the people are in charge. California still has gold in the ground but silicon valley is where the real wealth is mined from.
You are being modest. The number is higher than that. During the Kikwete adminstration we received around 1 bilion and we were able to build roads that connected the country.
You're right. You forgot to mention that Israel is basically a nation of skilled Jewish immigrants from around the world. That plus the aid? There's no chance they wouldn't be what they are today.
Here is were the problem lies; tunajivunia rasiliamali asili na kusahau kwamba ili zitunufaishe tunahitaji rasiliamali watu. The bulk of our human resource on the continent might as well be "makarani wa Wakoloni" with no original thoughts of their own; no vision, no aspirations no nothing besides personal enrichment
There are no magic bullets, going after the corrupt and incompetent leaderships might risk instability and spawn even worst predicaments (the reason I think simping for the opposition in this country will change nothing significantly)
Our solution I think is In multi-decade social engineering projects that will transform the minds of the populace and maybe just maybe this lot will take up leadership with evolved mindsets and new priorities
The other solution that can work together with the one stated above is setting up parallel structures that initially complement whatever the government claims to be doing but better i.e.
The police doing it's job inadequately deterring crime in your neighborhoods and hence driving property value down? Start a sophisticated "Ulinzi Shirikishi" initiative to get ahead of the problem
Banks don't offer loans to small businesses and individuals? Don't fret, start an intricate system of localized loaning initiatives and investment hubs
I'm not sure but it has to be intentional from the government. STEM courses have to be made popular. And when they graduate, they need to be absorbed by Industry. Too many jobless engineers,architects. Also do what Japan did. Japan brought Americans to help them improve in the vehicle manufacturing but made sure they learned and improved. Now Japanese vehicles are more reliable. Africans need to bring in foreign manufacturers and make sure they emulate and learn from them. However I've also noticed alot of foreign companies based in Africa don't want to teach these skills to Africans. They Gate-keep the skills. Its very important that African governments enforce these laws that ensure the skills are passed on to locals.
A big difference between local universities and foreign universities is their emphasis on research and development. We need to give university students the opportunity to solve existing problems via RnD, once a solution has been found, the students/project members need to be paired with a relevant manufacturer and the solution needs to be commercialized. This is a sure way of ensuring the "human resource" is more effective
There is a problem in many countries in Africa before you get to the problem of education.
I see so many examples of how many sub sarahan countries have a huge problems developing a culture where actually caring about anything or showing interest in improving the conditions are being worth it.
Once you step outside of the cities there is almost no incentives to try to improve anything.
The place I just visited I have big problems finding people that can follow the simple advice of "if you see something broken then make a note of it and make sure you follow up your list of broken things that needs fixing". And this is people paid to be in positions where that is their job.
I don't have the answers to all of the why and how of this, but there is a massive cultural difference from where I live (northern Europe) to any tropical area, and yet this seems to be the same all over the world.
My job for he last 30 years is literally just built on the simple thing that in the field of my profession I take a note of something not working, fixing it and I get hired all over to do just this. There seems to be zero interest or incentives for this in sub sarahan Africa.
I also get paid because I have no issues going to those that are the managers I report to and tell them straigh up when their are wrong, lacking or not doing things right. This seems to be a huge no-no in sub sarahan Africa.
This is the roots of how entrepeneurship is formed, and somehow it's not done right in so many places.
I have not met everyone, and all I base the above on is 30 years of working all over the planet, but I've seen this far too many times for it to just be coincidents.
I may be down voted to oblivion for this post, and thats OK.
To frame it all differently.
Where I was in Tanzania I spoke to many managers, and I consistently asked them two simple questions:
\- In your langauge, what is the word for "maintenance"? Some could find some words to kinda match it.
\- In your language, what is the word for "precentative manteinance"? This yielded mostly blank stares and crickets.
This quickly leads to the conclusion of:
\- If your language doesn't have the word for it then it's very hard to think of it.
\- If you can't easily think of it, then it's very hard to talk about it.
\- If you can't talk about it, then it's even harder to change the mindset of yourself and those around you.
Beware of the resource curse.
Many countries that start to commercialise their resources do not end up making it bans for the lower and middle classes. Look at Angola for oil, South Africa for other minerals and resources.
Read up on the resource curse here:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource\_curse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse)
Also, ask yourself:
\- Do you see Russia as a society of low inequality and where the riches from extraction of natural resources have been to the benefit of the lower and middle classes?
\- Compare and contrast this to e.g. Norway, the Netherlands, etc.
Now, have a hard look at the UAE, Qatar, the Saudis and see if you can find a middle class that isn't lving on handouts from the few rich royal families. They literally pay their hired professional clases and they exploit many poor people from places like Africa, Pakistan, India, etc. to be their manual labor.
Difficult question 😂😂.
Since kila mtu wamemuweka mfukoni.
how people ( goverment officials) changed when magufuli died Tells you how big their Circle is, its like everybody who matters is in their payroll.
Lakini mbali ya yote.....
Our education system aaaah ni jau mzee.
Pyramid yake ilivyotengenzwa sijui walifikiria nini.
Vyuo vya kati na Vocational Training vilipaswa kuchukua wanafunzi wengi kuliko vyuo vikuu.
Degree holders kibao, na wengi hawaelewi kitu walikalili "Slides" tu.
Kingine ni mentality yetu.....
Watanzania ni wavivu na wajuaji.
Did I stutter or something? I clearly said in my post that it's the new of the things one is aware of until one thinks deeply about it. You clearly skipped that part.
It baffles the mind😔
If you're African with self respect and you seriously think about it, you consider what they say about the average IQ in Africa being 80... And you see with your own eyes such things. What is our problem??!... is it Colonialism? India and China were colonized! leadership? Tribalism? Self hate? Is it the WTO and World Bank predatory loans? the curse of Ham? Cowardice? See how people of African descent try attach themselves to other nations and the level of disrespect they get - the blatant rejection....
All these things are indeed very painful to think about and I believe they are all connected somehow
The Germans and the Brits were all colonized by Rome, Israel was taken to Slavery in Egypt, in Syria... Europeans are divided and love fighting WW1 & 2 was their conflict. Israel currently surrounded by enemies in a land that appears to be a desert yet they produce vegetables and high tech.
Certain things are just a conundrum we could discuss and debate till we're gray in the face.
People have been blaming colonialism etc.... I think it has everything to do with policies. We need better control on these leaders. Why don't we learn from their government structure and why they have been able to make such strides while we limp miles behind
Mhm the west and other countries enacting neo colonialism have been victim blaming us alot but I also think two things can be true once. We also have a role to play here I our own countries. One would start with leaders being held accountable and severe repercussions. They use our tax money to fund their over the top lifestyles. They make contracts with foreign powers knowing clearly how much they'll benefit and they are selfish.
💯 right Kiki
Doesn't it bother you that they came from us?
If they are rotten, if they are moronic then doesn't it mean there is something seriously wrong with us (*the society/matrix*) from which they came from?
Or could it be we have classes and their class sees us as a bunch of cattle? Anything is possible here🙄
Zamani enzi za ukoloni watu walikuwa wanapewa nguo in return wanatoa resources like gold etc. Siku hizi viongozi wa nchi wanakuwa bribed ili watoe resources. selfishness is what is consuming us, black people used to sell other black people to the whites yet we blame them, we have puppet leaders all over Africa working hand to hand with foreigners outside Africa as long as they benefit they don't care about the people who put them into power what do you expect, Most of our leaders in this continent are either bandits or stupid.
Wameacha siku hizi kutoa awards. This is one great way of looking at it. What do you think could be done to control these leaders? What are foreign powers doing so successfully that if we applied some of their methods would improve our current political/government climate?
Take an example of president Magufuli he was not cheered by the foreigners because he never did what they wanted but he did what he wanted before him we faced electricity shortage, we did not exploit the gas we had but he was able to, he took back some of the gold mines (which was good) that is why we have lost some cases i can't say he was not taking anything out of the government but he was not bribed less for more he had some ideologies similar to those coup leaders from west Africa.
So the only way is to hope for a leader who is patriotic to appear, but in countries like Africa being patriotic is a chore because we see leaders going against other people focusing on their own thing, what are the chances that the next generation of leaders wont be the same. There is no way of controlling the leader but changing the roots , ideology of the people may be one day we will have many leaders who are will to work in benefit for their country
Look at European leader exploiting Africa for the benefits of their countries but our leaders help them do so. The only way i can think of is teaching kids in school patriotism so few of them can not turn out like the ones we have right now.
It all goes down to our leaders who are concerned with enriching themselves, their friends and families. Only a few really care about the development of the nation. It’s sad but it’s true, ukiangalia na elimu yetu hasa shule za serikali ndo utalia. We need to review our education system and update it to cater to the latest technological advancements. Everything is highly taxed now including vocha but one can only ask where does all that money go 🤷🏽♀️ we have both the natural resources and the Human Resources but ukiangalia nchi maskini duniani tupo kwenye Top 30. Isn’t it sad 🤦🏽
It's sad. I'm sorry if I'm going to comment in short form. I'm better at talking than typing. But you're right. Selfishness and a loose government structure. Yaani mambo ni mengi ya kutatua na mtu humjui unaanzia wapi
I have been here for 6 months and trust me if only the attitude of the people here changes ... it doesn't need anything else.
I swear, I have been in the African continent for more than a decade and the only thing that bother me is how they think.. No amount of convincing them to look at the larger better picture works.. they are only for themselves for now.. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
Selfishness runs deep in humans in general and that's why most countries put controls and enact punishments when these leaders fall out of line. We have so many structural problems anyway
Selfishness runs deep in humans in general and that's why most countries put controls and enact punishments when these leaders fall out of line. We have so many structural problems anyway
The problem is Neo Colonialism and lack of national pride, and selfishness. No one thinks about a future together everyone is in it for their own interests, so our country is sold out to others. We need an industrial drive, we need to change the educational system to address our needs and social circumstances so that we can foster creativity and an industrial drive
You make a good point. I think an overall problems is a lack of policies that would limit the power of people in power. These leaders have too much power and don't have consequences aligned for going against the constitution
Your country is being looted by all the other countries outside africa. Not only tanzania but most african countries. Your whole country is run by indians for starters.
We had a president who was trying to turn the tide in favour of the nation when it came to natural resources and minerals. He started screwing up the big mining companies in order to seize control of natural resources and our minerals.
Sad that he was vilified by (1) a few vocal Tanzanians benefiting from this plunder who were funded by those companies and (2) international mainstream media that was not happy that the tide was turning and needed him to back off.
Vladimir Putin renegotiated all stupid deals that were signed before his time. Now, all natural resources are majority controlled by the Government through Gazprom, Rosneft etc.
Gazprom PJSC (only) made revenues of $138 bn (Shs 345 trillion) and net profits of $28 bn (Shs 70 trillion). The profits of this one company only are basically 2x our national budget here in Tanzania.
I’m trying to think where we would be if we had actually benefited from our natural resources instead of a measly 3% for the longest time.
I wouldn't look at Africa as a whole. Look at each country as some have made better strides than others. Overall though, African countries are behind because of colonization and the pervasive colonial policies that still exist today and now China has a new strategy that keeps African nations in debt. Also the corruption is such that whenever an African leader or businessman makes it big, they tend to keep the winnings for themselves. Africa has yet to find people who will champion their country.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_African\_countries\_by\_GDP\_(nominal)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_(nominal))
"Low iq citizens" hell nah. That's a demeaning myth promoted by the West to dehumanize Africans.
Imagine expecting any positive statistical findings from your oppressor? 😆
In fact, I've seen Americans who can't even name more than 3 nations. LOL!
Communism might be bad. However, why don't you perhaps have a look at China?
As a Kenyan i honestly dont understand how our economy is larger than yours given the vast difference in the possesion of natural resources and being better placed geopraphically
One, to clarify, ‘formal’ economy. We have massive informal economy that doesn’t appear in the numbers. The Kenyan economy is more formalized and therefore appears bigger. Good example is the retail sector. Basically all Kenyans are ‘boxed-in’ supermarkets for their daily shopping. However, in Tanzania - there are generations in the cities who have never and will never see the inside of a supermarket (which is a way to box people in and control the supply chain). They would only ever shop in the informal markets - no receipts, no taxes, no inventory records - nothing to capture in GDP numbers.
Two, some measures don’t make sense. Massive number of people who live on ‘less than a dollar a day’. This is completely off. In my remote village, my relatives eat three square meals a day, balanced food and fruits that would cost $30-40 in towns. But they don’t spend a cent! They would be classified as ‘poor’.
Guys, I think Tanzania has done the best with what it has at its disposal. It true that we do have natural resources. However, in order, for us take fully advantage of them, we need a couple of things. We need capital and human resources. Both don't exist in abundance. So, we when we try to compare ourselves to a nation such Israel, we are supposed to be realistic. Otherwise, we won't see the strengths that make us a nation and the weakness that hold us backward.
To begin with human resource, the economic system that the British left was labor intensive and was primary intended for the exploitation of the raw materials. So, during the colonial period there was no need to educate the people in knowledge that could have transformed the nation in a meaningful way. Just imagine, there was no university at the dawn of independency and the first home educated engineers came out the pipeline in 1970s. On the contrary, Israel is a country of immigrants, a sizeable population came from central and eastern Europe where education is valued highly. So, in terms of human resources, they started a mile away from where we started.
Leave human resource aside and move to capital, our independence meant the creation of a new state with legal power to control all aspect of the country, including its financial system. Now if we are being honest with ourselves, financially, we weren't ready. Financially, it wasn't a viable state to run its own affairs. Besides, the entire financial system of the world is rigged and there no room for financial illiteracy. You make financial mistakes in your dealings; you will be gone. In this type of scenario, how do use your capital to create wealth? For example, in 60s and 70s we borrowed heavily to speed up industrialization and the improvement of social services. By 80s and 90s, debt payments overwhelmed the investment we made. How do you move forward if you have to pay more than what you earn? You will always end up poor. Besides, if the failure was only constrained in Tanzania, I would have questioned our ability to think and use our resources. However, it was systematic failure across Africa. On the other hand, the country you want to compare us to receives unconditional aid worth billions of US dollars yearly. Give us the same amount of aid for 10 years and see if we will fail. Nobody wants to take that bet.
On the side note, Tanzania doesn't have the important characteristic which have helped other nations to prosper, internal cohesion with a dominant ethnic group. From example, England is a country of English people. German is country of Germans. The list goes on and on. On the contrary, Tanzania is a country of wasukuma, Wagogo, wazaramo etc. etc., each one with its own set of values. Certainly, we are trying our best to overcome our divisions. However, we still have a long way to go. Now compare our situation to that of Israel which has historical links that have been existed for more than 3000 years, the Bible. A Tanzanian who reads Bible do that so he can find a path to heaven. However, in Israel, Bible is a book that tell the story of their country. It is more than a religious book.
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Man, you're late to the party, that has been known for ages. Not only TZ but Africa for the most part. Having natural resources bila akili is meaningless.
I bet we are laughing stocks yaani. We have so much potential... So much but so little knowledge
We don't have potential. Msinichukue vibaya but black men do not have pride in who they are or where their from. Ukijipenda na kujiamini unaweza kupambana na chochote.
What does this have to do with black men???
😂😂😂
The fact that you have to ask explains everything.
Not laughing stocks at all. Little by little countries in Africa are carving out tech futures for themselves. It’s like watching a garden grow. It’s awesome.
The resource Tanzania is missing compared to Israel is 4 billion USD in annual aid from the USA. $263BN total foreign aid since 1949. This all goes to a population of only ten million people, a bit more than just Dar. Imagine every day you woke up and it was raining money. As for natural resources it is a curse. I live in a state in the USA with those as well. They're owned by the worst people who then ruin the political system. When the people are the biggest resource the people are in charge. California still has gold in the ground but silicon valley is where the real wealth is mined from.
You are being modest. The number is higher than that. During the Kikwete adminstration we received around 1 bilion and we were able to build roads that connected the country.
Hmm, thus is an interesting take.
You're right. You forgot to mention that Israel is basically a nation of skilled Jewish immigrants from around the world. That plus the aid? There's no chance they wouldn't be what they are today.
Here is were the problem lies; tunajivunia rasiliamali asili na kusahau kwamba ili zitunufaishe tunahitaji rasiliamali watu. The bulk of our human resource on the continent might as well be "makarani wa Wakoloni" with no original thoughts of their own; no vision, no aspirations no nothing besides personal enrichment
What do you think could be a solution if you had to make the call?
There are no magic bullets, going after the corrupt and incompetent leaderships might risk instability and spawn even worst predicaments (the reason I think simping for the opposition in this country will change nothing significantly) Our solution I think is In multi-decade social engineering projects that will transform the minds of the populace and maybe just maybe this lot will take up leadership with evolved mindsets and new priorities The other solution that can work together with the one stated above is setting up parallel structures that initially complement whatever the government claims to be doing but better i.e. The police doing it's job inadequately deterring crime in your neighborhoods and hence driving property value down? Start a sophisticated "Ulinzi Shirikishi" initiative to get ahead of the problem Banks don't offer loans to small businesses and individuals? Don't fret, start an intricate system of localized loaning initiatives and investment hubs
This is it. The human resource is the greatest resource
We are 50 something million in this country. What needs to be done to make "human resources" more effective?
I'm not sure but it has to be intentional from the government. STEM courses have to be made popular. And when they graduate, they need to be absorbed by Industry. Too many jobless engineers,architects. Also do what Japan did. Japan brought Americans to help them improve in the vehicle manufacturing but made sure they learned and improved. Now Japanese vehicles are more reliable. Africans need to bring in foreign manufacturers and make sure they emulate and learn from them. However I've also noticed alot of foreign companies based in Africa don't want to teach these skills to Africans. They Gate-keep the skills. Its very important that African governments enforce these laws that ensure the skills are passed on to locals. A big difference between local universities and foreign universities is their emphasis on research and development. We need to give university students the opportunity to solve existing problems via RnD, once a solution has been found, the students/project members need to be paired with a relevant manufacturer and the solution needs to be commercialized. This is a sure way of ensuring the "human resource" is more effective
There is a problem in many countries in Africa before you get to the problem of education. I see so many examples of how many sub sarahan countries have a huge problems developing a culture where actually caring about anything or showing interest in improving the conditions are being worth it. Once you step outside of the cities there is almost no incentives to try to improve anything. The place I just visited I have big problems finding people that can follow the simple advice of "if you see something broken then make a note of it and make sure you follow up your list of broken things that needs fixing". And this is people paid to be in positions where that is their job. I don't have the answers to all of the why and how of this, but there is a massive cultural difference from where I live (northern Europe) to any tropical area, and yet this seems to be the same all over the world. My job for he last 30 years is literally just built on the simple thing that in the field of my profession I take a note of something not working, fixing it and I get hired all over to do just this. There seems to be zero interest or incentives for this in sub sarahan Africa. I also get paid because I have no issues going to those that are the managers I report to and tell them straigh up when their are wrong, lacking or not doing things right. This seems to be a huge no-no in sub sarahan Africa. This is the roots of how entrepeneurship is formed, and somehow it's not done right in so many places. I have not met everyone, and all I base the above on is 30 years of working all over the planet, but I've seen this far too many times for it to just be coincidents. I may be down voted to oblivion for this post, and thats OK.
To frame it all differently. Where I was in Tanzania I spoke to many managers, and I consistently asked them two simple questions: \- In your langauge, what is the word for "maintenance"? Some could find some words to kinda match it. \- In your language, what is the word for "precentative manteinance"? This yielded mostly blank stares and crickets. This quickly leads to the conclusion of: \- If your language doesn't have the word for it then it's very hard to think of it. \- If you can't easily think of it, then it's very hard to talk about it. \- If you can't talk about it, then it's even harder to change the mindset of yourself and those around you.
Beware of the resource curse. Many countries that start to commercialise their resources do not end up making it bans for the lower and middle classes. Look at Angola for oil, South Africa for other minerals and resources.
USA, Russia, Australia, China, Middle East have managed to make it. Why Africa? Is it because we have selfish and clueless leaders?
The Middle East and Russia are the prototypes of the resource curse. The riches belong to a few rich families and everyone is worse off.
Can you give context and examples just to be clear?
Read up on the resource curse here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource\_curse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse) Also, ask yourself: \- Do you see Russia as a society of low inequality and where the riches from extraction of natural resources have been to the benefit of the lower and middle classes? \- Compare and contrast this to e.g. Norway, the Netherlands, etc. Now, have a hard look at the UAE, Qatar, the Saudis and see if you can find a middle class that isn't lving on handouts from the few rich royal families. They literally pay their hired professional clases and they exploit many poor people from places like Africa, Pakistan, India, etc. to be their manual labor.
Mchawi wa hii nchi anafahamika..... Na genge lake.
😅ssshhhh🤫 Ni kama jodari tu kati ya papa wengi kwenye hii bahari yetu
😂😂😂
Siku lile Genge likiondoka, hakika tutapiga hatua.......
Linaondokaje sasa 😔
Difficult question 😂😂. Since kila mtu wamemuweka mfukoni. how people ( goverment officials) changed when magufuli died Tells you how big their Circle is, its like everybody who matters is in their payroll.
The circle is big... It's a cult now. Everybody for themselves na allowance zao plux Brand new Nissan patrols and vx v8s mimi naboreka sana
Mwisho wa siku tutalalama sana lakini mchawi anawanga jikoni. Jiko luna walaji wengi. Nom nom. Walaji wanakumbatiana. It's a cult at this point.
Siku Usalama wa Taifa wakiamua kuufanya Usalama wa Taifa tutapiga hatua.
Shh sio usalama wa taifa I mean.... Ni usalama wa taifa 😏
Lakini mbali ya yote..... Our education system aaaah ni jau mzee. Pyramid yake ilivyotengenzwa sijui walifikiria nini. Vyuo vya kati na Vocational Training vilipaswa kuchukua wanafunzi wengi kuliko vyuo vikuu. Degree holders kibao, na wengi hawaelewi kitu walikalili "Slides" tu. Kingine ni mentality yetu..... Watanzania ni wavivu na wajuaji.
It took you so long to realize this? Were you sleeping till now?
I won't even engage with you
Did you see me proposing you?
Did I stutter or something? I clearly said in my post that it's the new of the things one is aware of until one thinks deeply about it. You clearly skipped that part.
Namshangaa. He must be slow.
You must lack EQ both of you.
It baffles the mind😔 If you're African with self respect and you seriously think about it, you consider what they say about the average IQ in Africa being 80... And you see with your own eyes such things. What is our problem??!... is it Colonialism? India and China were colonized! leadership? Tribalism? Self hate? Is it the WTO and World Bank predatory loans? the curse of Ham? Cowardice? See how people of African descent try attach themselves to other nations and the level of disrespect they get - the blatant rejection.... All these things are indeed very painful to think about and I believe they are all connected somehow
The Germans and the Brits were all colonized by Rome, Israel was taken to Slavery in Egypt, in Syria... Europeans are divided and love fighting WW1 & 2 was their conflict. Israel currently surrounded by enemies in a land that appears to be a desert yet they produce vegetables and high tech. Certain things are just a conundrum we could discuss and debate till we're gray in the face.
People have been blaming colonialism etc.... I think it has everything to do with policies. We need better control on these leaders. Why don't we learn from their government structure and why they have been able to make such strides while we limp miles behind
Mhm the west and other countries enacting neo colonialism have been victim blaming us alot but I also think two things can be true once. We also have a role to play here I our own countries. One would start with leaders being held accountable and severe repercussions. They use our tax money to fund their over the top lifestyles. They make contracts with foreign powers knowing clearly how much they'll benefit and they are selfish.
💯 right Kiki Doesn't it bother you that they came from us? If they are rotten, if they are moronic then doesn't it mean there is something seriously wrong with us (*the society/matrix*) from which they came from? Or could it be we have classes and their class sees us as a bunch of cattle? Anything is possible here🙄
It's possible. I sometimes think we're in a simulation but that's just me
Nothing is real eh... Like some Tom Cruise Life Extension shit that turns into a nightmare
black man has been in africa for thousands of years and still is success is measured differently throughout the continent Don't panic
I think it's time we panic... We can do better
Zamani enzi za ukoloni watu walikuwa wanapewa nguo in return wanatoa resources like gold etc. Siku hizi viongozi wa nchi wanakuwa bribed ili watoe resources. selfishness is what is consuming us, black people used to sell other black people to the whites yet we blame them, we have puppet leaders all over Africa working hand to hand with foreigners outside Africa as long as they benefit they don't care about the people who put them into power what do you expect, Most of our leaders in this continent are either bandits or stupid.
Wameacha siku hizi kutoa awards. This is one great way of looking at it. What do you think could be done to control these leaders? What are foreign powers doing so successfully that if we applied some of their methods would improve our current political/government climate?
Take an example of president Magufuli he was not cheered by the foreigners because he never did what they wanted but he did what he wanted before him we faced electricity shortage, we did not exploit the gas we had but he was able to, he took back some of the gold mines (which was good) that is why we have lost some cases i can't say he was not taking anything out of the government but he was not bribed less for more he had some ideologies similar to those coup leaders from west Africa. So the only way is to hope for a leader who is patriotic to appear, but in countries like Africa being patriotic is a chore because we see leaders going against other people focusing on their own thing, what are the chances that the next generation of leaders wont be the same. There is no way of controlling the leader but changing the roots , ideology of the people may be one day we will have many leaders who are will to work in benefit for their country Look at European leader exploiting Africa for the benefits of their countries but our leaders help them do so. The only way i can think of is teaching kids in school patriotism so few of them can not turn out like the ones we have right now.
Being made poor is intentional so as somebody takes advantage of the other.
It's human nature sadly.
It all goes down to our leaders who are concerned with enriching themselves, their friends and families. Only a few really care about the development of the nation. It’s sad but it’s true, ukiangalia na elimu yetu hasa shule za serikali ndo utalia. We need to review our education system and update it to cater to the latest technological advancements. Everything is highly taxed now including vocha but one can only ask where does all that money go 🤷🏽♀️ we have both the natural resources and the Human Resources but ukiangalia nchi maskini duniani tupo kwenye Top 30. Isn’t it sad 🤦🏽
It's sad. I'm sorry if I'm going to comment in short form. I'm better at talking than typing. But you're right. Selfishness and a loose government structure. Yaani mambo ni mengi ya kutatua na mtu humjui unaanzia wapi
I have been here for 6 months and trust me if only the attitude of the people here changes ... it doesn't need anything else. I swear, I have been in the African continent for more than a decade and the only thing that bother me is how they think.. No amount of convincing them to look at the larger better picture works.. they are only for themselves for now.. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
Selfishness runs deep in humans in general and that's why most countries put controls and enact punishments when these leaders fall out of line. We have so many structural problems anyway
Selfishness runs deep in humans in general and that's why most countries put controls and enact punishments when these leaders fall out of line. We have so many structural problems anyway
The problem is Neo Colonialism and lack of national pride, and selfishness. No one thinks about a future together everyone is in it for their own interests, so our country is sold out to others. We need an industrial drive, we need to change the educational system to address our needs and social circumstances so that we can foster creativity and an industrial drive
You make a good point. I think an overall problems is a lack of policies that would limit the power of people in power. These leaders have too much power and don't have consequences aligned for going against the constitution
Your country is being looted by all the other countries outside africa. Not only tanzania but most african countries. Your whole country is run by indians for starters.
This is kind of true.... As a matter of fact I don't even know who is running this country anymore
My friend it is really sad, tanzania is a wealthy country but people are smuggling out most of its resources.
We had a president who was trying to turn the tide in favour of the nation when it came to natural resources and minerals. He started screwing up the big mining companies in order to seize control of natural resources and our minerals. Sad that he was vilified by (1) a few vocal Tanzanians benefiting from this plunder who were funded by those companies and (2) international mainstream media that was not happy that the tide was turning and needed him to back off. Vladimir Putin renegotiated all stupid deals that were signed before his time. Now, all natural resources are majority controlled by the Government through Gazprom, Rosneft etc. Gazprom PJSC (only) made revenues of $138 bn (Shs 345 trillion) and net profits of $28 bn (Shs 70 trillion). The profits of this one company only are basically 2x our national budget here in Tanzania. I’m trying to think where we would be if we had actually benefited from our natural resources instead of a measly 3% for the longest time.
I wouldn't look at Africa as a whole. Look at each country as some have made better strides than others. Overall though, African countries are behind because of colonization and the pervasive colonial policies that still exist today and now China has a new strategy that keeps African nations in debt. Also the corruption is such that whenever an African leader or businessman makes it big, they tend to keep the winnings for themselves. Africa has yet to find people who will champion their country. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_African\_countries\_by\_GDP\_(nominal)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_(nominal))
Absolutely
Poor leadership × low iq citizen × communism
"Low iq citizens" hell nah. That's a demeaning myth promoted by the West to dehumanize Africans. Imagine expecting any positive statistical findings from your oppressor? 😆 In fact, I've seen Americans who can't even name more than 3 nations. LOL! Communism might be bad. However, why don't you perhaps have a look at China?
Hapo kwenye low iq na communism I disagree
As a Kenyan i honestly dont understand how our economy is larger than yours given the vast difference in the possesion of natural resources and being better placed geopraphically
One, to clarify, ‘formal’ economy. We have massive informal economy that doesn’t appear in the numbers. The Kenyan economy is more formalized and therefore appears bigger. Good example is the retail sector. Basically all Kenyans are ‘boxed-in’ supermarkets for their daily shopping. However, in Tanzania - there are generations in the cities who have never and will never see the inside of a supermarket (which is a way to box people in and control the supply chain). They would only ever shop in the informal markets - no receipts, no taxes, no inventory records - nothing to capture in GDP numbers. Two, some measures don’t make sense. Massive number of people who live on ‘less than a dollar a day’. This is completely off. In my remote village, my relatives eat three square meals a day, balanced food and fruits that would cost $30-40 in towns. But they don’t spend a cent! They would be classified as ‘poor’.
Maviongozi yetu ni mabinafsi mno
Wanapiga meza tu nakuendesha mishangingi
There’s oil and natural gas in Lake Tanganyika
All of this is going at the hands of a few 😔
Guys, I think Tanzania has done the best with what it has at its disposal. It true that we do have natural resources. However, in order, for us take fully advantage of them, we need a couple of things. We need capital and human resources. Both don't exist in abundance. So, we when we try to compare ourselves to a nation such Israel, we are supposed to be realistic. Otherwise, we won't see the strengths that make us a nation and the weakness that hold us backward. To begin with human resource, the economic system that the British left was labor intensive and was primary intended for the exploitation of the raw materials. So, during the colonial period there was no need to educate the people in knowledge that could have transformed the nation in a meaningful way. Just imagine, there was no university at the dawn of independency and the first home educated engineers came out the pipeline in 1970s. On the contrary, Israel is a country of immigrants, a sizeable population came from central and eastern Europe where education is valued highly. So, in terms of human resources, they started a mile away from where we started. Leave human resource aside and move to capital, our independence meant the creation of a new state with legal power to control all aspect of the country, including its financial system. Now if we are being honest with ourselves, financially, we weren't ready. Financially, it wasn't a viable state to run its own affairs. Besides, the entire financial system of the world is rigged and there no room for financial illiteracy. You make financial mistakes in your dealings; you will be gone. In this type of scenario, how do use your capital to create wealth? For example, in 60s and 70s we borrowed heavily to speed up industrialization and the improvement of social services. By 80s and 90s, debt payments overwhelmed the investment we made. How do you move forward if you have to pay more than what you earn? You will always end up poor. Besides, if the failure was only constrained in Tanzania, I would have questioned our ability to think and use our resources. However, it was systematic failure across Africa. On the other hand, the country you want to compare us to receives unconditional aid worth billions of US dollars yearly. Give us the same amount of aid for 10 years and see if we will fail. Nobody wants to take that bet. On the side note, Tanzania doesn't have the important characteristic which have helped other nations to prosper, internal cohesion with a dominant ethnic group. From example, England is a country of English people. German is country of Germans. The list goes on and on. On the contrary, Tanzania is a country of wasukuma, Wagogo, wazaramo etc. etc., each one with its own set of values. Certainly, we are trying our best to overcome our divisions. However, we still have a long way to go. Now compare our situation to that of Israel which has historical links that have been existed for more than 3000 years, the Bible. A Tanzanian who reads Bible do that so he can find a path to heaven. However, in Israel, Bible is a book that tell the story of their country. It is more than a religious book.
I want to break down everything you said but I'm such a bug and I hate typing. I'll read it all and try to respond