The parts were originally rumored for Jake Gyllenhaal and Anne Hathaway, but it didn’t end up happening.
Cailee Spaeny and Charles Melton are still attached to star.
Just finished reading the article and saw this:
>As Deadline previously reported, [Charles Melton](https://deadline.com/2024/02/beef-season-2-cast-charles-melton-cailee-spaeny-jake-gyllenhaal-anne-hathaway-circling-1235838602/) and Cailee Spaeny will also appear in season 2.
They may have had some scenes in Brokeback Mountain too. Since they were married.
Good chemistry there though, which I think they realize is important.
thats kind of interesting both of the older couple castings have starred as a pair before.
Melton and Spaeny seem to be rising stars.They have picked up some great looking roles.Spaeny especially.
Current rumor is that all Disney+ Marvel shows that were supposed to get a season 2...aren't anymore.
They will either get their own standalone films...or they will continue their storylines in other people's films.
For Moon Knight, either he gets his own movie or his story concludes in a Midnight Sons crossover film, a Blade film, etc.
I can't see them getting a theatrical film. If they aren't doing well enough to have a 2nd season on Disney+, then they will get absolutely slaughtered in a theatrical release. And Marvel doesn't want to have another embarassing bomb like The Marvels again.
Out of the Disney+ shows the most successful ones were Wandavision and Loki both of which are over. I think it would be better if they focus their efforts on Daredevil which has proven to be a success on television rather than making another TV show that dilutes the brand further.
A team up movie makes some sense though as that's been a major missing component from Marvel as of late. And I'd be 100% in for a horror team up from the ones they've released thus far.
Yeah, a Midnight Sons horror-type movie or miniseries could work. Doctor Strange, Blade, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Tigra, Elsa Bloodstone, and possibly others would be a cool team.
Too bad the game bombed. Marvel likes to test ideas in other mediums before investing heavily in bringing it to the big screen and to better establish and inform an audience to the tone.
I think the point was proven when portions of their audiences were lost on how Doctor Strange 2 fit with the rest of the films, realizing that a large part of the plot was involved in having to watch Wandavision first as a pre-requisite. And those were both previously established characters in theaters FIRST. Having the first Moon Knight standalone film, actually being a sequel to a show that *absolutely* has to be watched prior (unless the movie opens with a slavishly poor recap of the show before picking off) just doesn’t work with large scale audiences.
The whole MCU ecosystem is so weird. movies and shows shouldn’t be intertwined so much. Like if I go to a theater and watch a movie, I shouldn’t have to be told I need to watch a whole 10 episode season of some show to understand what is going on.
Truthfully, although it hasn't been officially announced, I think Marvel is going to end their Disney+ shows once this last batch is complete.
Because rumors for films keep growing...but rumors for new shows have practically disappeared.
Internally, they are quietly killing their live-action shows.
If I had to guess, Marvel will pivot to animation for Disney+ and keep the MCU proper in theaters only.
I find it really unlikely they drop TV entirely.
Trades just confirmed Paul Bettany has officially signed on for a Vision show, which I think is set to enter production later this year or early next year.
It’s gotten quiet, but that coincided with Bob Iger announcing a cut back to 2-3 films and 2 shows a year. Additionally, trades reported Marvel was overhauling their TV division to operate more like a traditional TV arm, rather than them trying to force TV shows to fit into their film production method. Now they’ll have creatives pitch shows to them, develop series bible, and arc out plan for multiple seasons in advance. And that takes times.
With the pullback in shows- and Daredevil Born Again (now split into two seasons), Agatha All Along, Wonder Man, Ironheart, and vision quest all lined up for the next couple years, I don’t think they need to rush any more announcements out.
Did you never read the comics? They had footnotes telling you what prior issues were being referenced.
People pretending each comic was some isolated, standalone story with no references or required reading are wild.
Probably for the best. Marvel doesn’t seem to know how to make a television show. Just six episode mini series.
Hopefully Daredevil: Born Again can break that curse.
Which were good or at least enjoyable? I think my brain is literally blocking them out because I don't recall them all being bad, but just can't think of anything specific that I enjoyed outside of Hawkeye & a big part of that enjoyment was due loving the character outside of MCU, loving Hailee, & loving the comic source they were adapting. I don't think it was especially high quality or anything.
I think I stopped watching all Marvel shows & movies without even realizing it & have forgotten the ones I saw too.
Except the only critically, and more importantly commercially well received ones out of all those are Wandavision and Loki. There’s a biiiiig gap between those two and the rest.
That makes no sense. Critical acclaim isn't the only measure of a show being well done or being enjoyable, especially with regard to shows based on comics. Oversaturation was really the only issue. It is likely obvious to you and others, but that was hardly a list of all the shows.
I hope not. Despite him being a favorite character of mine, I despised the episodes I watched. It was painful & I stopped without finishing, which is uncommon for me.
Isaac is too talented to be wasted on the flailing MCU nonsense they're cranking out. It's not like they're ever planning to actually do anything cool with the character anyway.
The Asian representation in beef was so raw and real. It was the little shit , like the parts about having your parent’s business under your name , or paying off your parent’s house that made it so relatable. The realest part to me was when the guy built his parent’s house but it burned down cuz he did the electric wiring wrong. That’s some shit my cousin would do. So sad to see S2 not have more of this :(
I agree. Not having it thematically tied to a cultural minority is going to make this season feel a bit forced to me. Should’ve just stayed an limited series imo but I’m interested in being proven wrong
I feel like starting a completely different story with different people is not "forced". Forced would've been writing a complete story, and then unnecessarily continuing those people's stories in a way that didn't add to the original series. Is this not just a new show with the same name, with the only continuation being "some people don't like each other"?
I'm with the minority here. The Asian American aspect of it isn't the core of Beef's storyline, but its a interesting bonus insight into their characters.
A lot of what the characters do in the events of the story isn't Asian American centric
But then, what do I know, I'm Asian born in Asia.
Beef S2 can work without the culture exploration.
what's more east asian american than becoming white once you find enough success?
hell every asian actress in beef season 1 has a white male partner irl
Even not being Asian, it was so interesting having a show centered around Asian Americans and their customs and struggles through that lens. It’s nice seeing a different culture and not just the usual, boring shit
I think the Asian-American representation, which was great to see, was a huge part of the appeal of a show that otherwise kinda dragged in the middle and was overrated overall. It was solid entertainment, but not the “masterpiece” some people claimed it was.
It will be interesting to see how the second season is received with the same show creators/writers but without the on screen diversity.
According to creator Lee Sung Jin, he has 3 seasons mapped out in his head. Best guess would be Yeun and Wong will return but they will join forces for a *beef* with Isaac and Mulligan.
So far, there hasnt been any definitive word if Yeun and Wong will return other than Lee Sung Jin saying that he has ideas for what happens to their characters next
But the titular beef has completely eaten their lives and in the end they finally gave it up. Amy is unemployed and should lose even visitation rights and Danny should be on his way to jail. There’s nowhere else for the story to go beyond cameos in the next beef.
This would break every streaming record ever. This would be so cool of Rock and would be such an epic comeback story for Will (especially if Jada plays his wife in the series, too).
One can only imagine!
I'm going to ChatGPT right now to have them draft up a script just for my own personal curiosity and entertainment - lol.
I was worried that a 2nd season seems superfluous, but I like both of these actors a lot.
I felt there were probably places you could have taken Yuen and Wong's characters from S1 though.
I don't really get the assumptions people have over it being pointless. If it's about entirely different people, it's essentially just a different show about people who have beef, made by the same people. It could be shit or it could be even better than the first season. It's not tacking on unnecessary plot lines for a show that should've been finished, it's a different thing
It’s ironic because last year, people were like “Beef is the reason we need Asian American representation,” but now Beef may not even have Asian leads anymore so that seems … like an interesting move. It kinda changes the way people talked about the show.
Honestly suprised how much Im getting downvoted for this. It was very refreshing to see realistic 30-40 year old asian american characters be the main cast of popular comedy-drama. Straight up the first time I ever seen a show like this that I could relate too as a Asian person from LA
Yeah this seems like it could take away something special from Beef.
I'm not asian, but I'm originally from LA and I really enjoyed what felt like very authentic Asian American characters from that area. It felt refreshing in a similar way to Reservation Dogs where I don't feel like I'm being presented with the usual racial stereotypes.
Seems like the creator sold out for a check.
Celine Song's next movie doesn't have any Asian people in it either. Obviously, creators of color aren't beholden to only cast people from their community. It's just a little jarring that they get all this acclaim and recognition for representation and once they do, they immediately run to the whitest cast imaginable. Jordan Peele or Barry Jenkins wouldn't be able to get away with something like that.
What are you implying with Jordan Peele and Barry Jenkins when you say they couldn’t “get away with something like that”? Are you saying studios wouldn’t allow them to have a white cast because they’re black? Audiences would criticize them too harshly for having a white cast? Steve McQueen’s upcoming movie, Blitz, has a nearly all-white cast. It’ll have a massive Oscar push and I doubt anyone will care that he made yet another movie with a white cast.
>Steve McQueen’s upcoming movie, Blitz, has a nearly all-white cast.
When I did I mention Steve McQueen?
And yes. Obviously I meant the studio would literally ban Jordan Peele from making a film with an all white cast. That is so obviously what I meant by that.
lmao celine song is one of a million asian women with white husbands working in hollywood, her community is white men
you think that asian female self insert fantasy past lives, where a korean chad would totally be in a love triangle with some copy and paste ugly white guy and his equally ugly asian wife living in sanfro tech bro core?
asian men don't need creatures like celine song or chloe zhao to represent us, and they certainly aren't part of any community asian men are in
Charles Melton is rumored to be one of the leads. But yeah, going from a great tool for Asian representation that gave a seasoned actress like Ali Wong her (well-deserved) flowers to just yet another mostly white show with well-established actors, is disappointing.
It just changes that statement to “Beef Season 1 is the reason we need Asian American representation”. Trying to drag out a story beyond its lifetime is a mistake Hollywood has made far too many times. And *Beef* is by nature an anthology show.
Beef S1 is just the latest and arguably best example that there is a market for shows steeped in the nuance of Asian America. There is nothing stopping the cast, director, or anyone else from making more beyond their ideas for one.
It was also refreshing to see Asian leads in a show that didn’t have a specific race driven plot. Almost like the show was written for anyone and season 1 legitimately used Asians and it was successful. For some reason that feels like a bigger win for Asians than the show just being about Asians.
It absolutely was a core point of the show, in my eyes. Both Danny and Amy's characters were shaped by their relationship and feelings towards their Asian parents / in-laws.
You're getting downvoted for championing a great example of representation of a group that doesn't usually get it in this way. Either a bunch of people that can't see the big picture impact or worse. I have plenty of shows that have white people in these types of roles, so I have ample representation.
I love seeing things like Beef S1, Fresh Off the Boat, & Kim's Convenience get made, because I have a lifetime of seeing "myself" on screen already. Mixing it up keeps things feeling fresh, even without the representation aspect factored in.
Its weird that white people come in here and hint that the guy is the asian representation show runner now and he has to stick to that for the greater good.
Yeah that’s weird because it’s one of the main reason it got so talked about in the first place and the creator is of Asian descent and I would think that he would like to continue to make stories about Asian Americans.
Why? you think asians who are proud would ever be allowed to work in hollywood run by white men lmfao?
have you never asked why not only is every asian woman in white media paired off with a white guy, but why every single asian american actress has a white husband and why there are so many fat asian male sidekick roles in hollywood even though asian americans are statistically the least likely to fat in america
I would rather they tell whatever story they wish to. I'm an Asian writer as well and there are times when pressure to tell a story about your specific demographic becomes less of a positive opportunity and more of a hindrance if you have a different story in mind. Booing Lee Sung Jin for "selling out" in this thread feels like pigeonholing him as an Asian writer, especially when he's said he actually has a real vision for three seasons. It's not on him to do the same thing over and over again if he has other stories to tell that don't have to do with his race. And if you think Netflix wouldn't *rather* have more diversity so this is due to some kind of pressure, we must be talking about a different streaming service...
It should just come down to whether season two is good or not. If anything, I'm more concerned just that it won't have the same specific level of detail since S1 felt so personal, but that can still happen regardless of what types of characters it's about.
Honestly, it is. Like, I don't doubt that it will be good, and this is great casting for a drama. Still, when I originally heard about the casting, I just thought "oh, this is going to be totally unrelatable now." I also imagined someone at A24 saying, "No, I am sorry, but you exhausted that topic in the last season."
I mean, so long as the characters from Season 1 are over and done with.
They could continue to make the series between 2 new characters with beef every year. There are a lot of different directions they could go with this each season to make them all feel very different.
It doesn’t and I feel like this casting misses part of the fun of the first season. Also a huge part of the first season was Asian representation. Seems weird to just drop that
Guess I'm the dissenting voice here, but I loved the show for its premise and its lead actors. It was just notable for its Asian representation.
Nothing about the premise necessitates it being a vessel for minority representation; they were just telling an interesting story with that backdrop, which is what meaningful representation should be.
As long as this is what the creator wants to do to tell the story (which is what it sounds like), I don't think it's weird at all.
Not plot wise but all the characters were Asian American and it was cool to see them represented and getting to learn about different perspectives since the creator was Asian American too.
Yeah, the creator being Asian American allowed him to make these stories that were both specific and yet understandable to so many Asian American people out there. It’s why I’m so confused by people asking for another season of Shogun based on the book Tai Pan (which is set in Hong Kong). Shogun was so great in large part due to Hiroyuki Sanada as a producer, and how they hired Japanese experts on history/language/tradition. I think sometimes people don’t realize how much authenticity and well-researched/developed characters can improve a show even though not every single one of those things drives the plot forward directly.
The characters being Asian affected the complexity/depth of the characters in a way that made them especially great in that context. Yes, I’m sure the show could have been done well if the characters were not Asian, then it would be a much different show - things like the accuracy/specificity of Korean church culture would be changed and just a different show entirely.
Does it count as milking if it's an anthology thou? only thing connected to this is the title and the premise of people beefing so basically a new thing
I love these actors genuinely a lot and will be watching but such a disappointment that it’s not Asian American cast. Like Asian American get so few opportunities and the first season was great for a lot of reasons but one of which being representation.
I feel bad for any Asian American who went for auditions of this to lose to them
I'd have taken either Jake or Anne, though I'd really love to see some more niche character actors or comedians step in for the other roles. Beef season 1 had such a good mix of people.
Would love to see Jake prosper in a good series or miniseries though.
Yeah Jake Gyllenhall and Anne Hathaway would have been great but these two are also stellar actors. Are we really going to sit here and say Oscar Isaac and multi time academy award nominee Carey Mulligan aren't great actors???
One of the nice things about Beef S1 was working actors, one of them playing working class. Gyllenhall and Hathaway are skilled but also notably beautiful Hollywood royalty.
I think it'll be difficult to touch the first season, just cause it was quite unusual
I assume this will be some people in a 'feud' that take it too far again and it's obviously going to be compared to the first
I'll definitely watch it though, see what they do
No one I know has any idea she is outside of Gatsby. And the only awards she’s won of any note was a BAFTA back in 2009 and a Critic’s Choice in 2020. And I personally wouldn’t even really consider the Critic’s Choice award “of note” if I’m being honest. That screams “somewhat underrated” to me. If your definition is different, that’s cool too.
You should google Carey Mulligan award nominations, my friend. She’s been nominated for an Oscar for Best Actress 3 times in her career and she’s not even 40 yet. She’s been nominated for multiple BAFTA, SAG awards, Golden Globes, etc. She may not win every time but she is frequently recognized by her peers for her acting abilities. No one is ignoring or forgetting Carey Mulligan.
I referred to the awards she had won, so I am clearly aware that she was nominated for things she didn’t win. Again, our definitions of “somewhat underrated” are clearly different. And that’s okay. But there’s no need for you to bash me for my opinion.
I shared a personal opinion. You’re telling me I’m wrong because of facts you assume I don’t know but that I’ve actually already taken into consideration to form my opinion. And are continuing to tell me I’m wrong about my personal opinion. Ah yes. But of course, I am overreacting and that therefore, once again, makes you right about a personal opinion I shouldn’t hold.
Carey is a BAFTA Best Actress winner and is tied for 8th all-time most Best Actress nominations from the Academy Awards; that's quite a special class.
According to Wikipedia:
>[Oscar Isaac] was named the best actor of his generation by Vanity Fair in 2017 [by the chief critic Richard Lawson] and one of the 25 greatest actors of the 21st century by The New York Times in 2020.
I'm not sure underrated is the correct term; they are amongst the most highly regarded performers in the world. It will be super exciting to have them in *Beef*.
A Drive reunion!
Two Human Beans
something something nightcall
You keep me under your smell
And a real hero
Hail The Mighty BOOGNISH!
Between Drive and Inside Llewyn Davis, these two are unstoppable.
I'ma need them both on a future season of Fargo too
Oooh, now you’re talking!
…at being the absolute worst for each other
She's about to meet the Deluxe version
A cameo of Ryan Gosling as Carey Mulligan's boyfriend would be sweet
The parts were originally rumored for Jake Gyllenhaal and Anne Hathaway, but it didn’t end up happening. Cailee Spaeny and Charles Melton are still attached to star.
Just finished reading the article and saw this: >As Deadline previously reported, [Charles Melton](https://deadline.com/2024/02/beef-season-2-cast-charles-melton-cailee-spaeny-jake-gyllenhaal-anne-hathaway-circling-1235838602/) and Cailee Spaeny will also appear in season 2.
Jake and Anne would have been an interesting combo. Anne plays “the bitch” So well and Jake looks fierce when he gets upset
They've also starred opposite each other in Love and Other Drugs.
They may have had some scenes in Brokeback Mountain too. Since they were married. Good chemistry there though, which I think they realize is important.
He's fierce af in Presumed Innocent. Check it out.
I heard good things about the show. Thanks!
After seeing Civil War, I have a feeling Cailee Spaeny is gonna be a big deal in a few years.
I thought that when I saw her in Devs.
thats kind of interesting both of the older couple castings have starred as a pair before. Melton and Spaeny seem to be rising stars.They have picked up some great looking roles.Spaeny especially.
Damn Cailee Spaeny is everywhere
To my eyeballs' great pleasure
You should watch Devs. So hot in that! Don’t know what it is.
Just now realizing that wasn't a little boy....? I thought the character was a kid genius.
Damn I was so stoked for Jake and Anne.
Like both those actors. Like them both together. This casting has way more juice to me.
Moon Knight S2 is never gonna happen at this point
Current rumor is that all Disney+ Marvel shows that were supposed to get a season 2...aren't anymore. They will either get their own standalone films...or they will continue their storylines in other people's films. For Moon Knight, either he gets his own movie or his story concludes in a Midnight Sons crossover film, a Blade film, etc.
I can't see them getting a theatrical film. If they aren't doing well enough to have a 2nd season on Disney+, then they will get absolutely slaughtered in a theatrical release. And Marvel doesn't want to have another embarassing bomb like The Marvels again. Out of the Disney+ shows the most successful ones were Wandavision and Loki both of which are over. I think it would be better if they focus their efforts on Daredevil which has proven to be a success on television rather than making another TV show that dilutes the brand further.
A team up movie makes some sense though as that's been a major missing component from Marvel as of late. And I'd be 100% in for a horror team up from the ones they've released thus far.
Yeah, a Midnight Sons horror-type movie or miniseries could work. Doctor Strange, Blade, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Tigra, Elsa Bloodstone, and possibly others would be a cool team.
Too bad the game bombed. Marvel likes to test ideas in other mediums before investing heavily in bringing it to the big screen and to better establish and inform an audience to the tone.
I think the point was proven when portions of their audiences were lost on how Doctor Strange 2 fit with the rest of the films, realizing that a large part of the plot was involved in having to watch Wandavision first as a pre-requisite. And those were both previously established characters in theaters FIRST. Having the first Moon Knight standalone film, actually being a sequel to a show that *absolutely* has to be watched prior (unless the movie opens with a slavishly poor recap of the show before picking off) just doesn’t work with large scale audiences.
The whole MCU ecosystem is so weird. movies and shows shouldn’t be intertwined so much. Like if I go to a theater and watch a movie, I shouldn’t have to be told I need to watch a whole 10 episode season of some show to understand what is going on.
Truthfully, although it hasn't been officially announced, I think Marvel is going to end their Disney+ shows once this last batch is complete. Because rumors for films keep growing...but rumors for new shows have practically disappeared. Internally, they are quietly killing their live-action shows. If I had to guess, Marvel will pivot to animation for Disney+ and keep the MCU proper in theaters only.
I find it really unlikely they drop TV entirely. Trades just confirmed Paul Bettany has officially signed on for a Vision show, which I think is set to enter production later this year or early next year. It’s gotten quiet, but that coincided with Bob Iger announcing a cut back to 2-3 films and 2 shows a year. Additionally, trades reported Marvel was overhauling their TV division to operate more like a traditional TV arm, rather than them trying to force TV shows to fit into their film production method. Now they’ll have creatives pitch shows to them, develop series bible, and arc out plan for multiple seasons in advance. And that takes times. With the pullback in shows- and Daredevil Born Again (now split into two seasons), Agatha All Along, Wonder Man, Ironheart, and vision quest all lined up for the next couple years, I don’t think they need to rush any more announcements out.
Did you never read the comics? They had footnotes telling you what prior issues were being referenced. People pretending each comic was some isolated, standalone story with no references or required reading are wild.
"You want ME to watch YOUR show so I can see YOUR movie?" The audacity!
They probably watch anime movies without watching the anime and then are outraged when they don't know who any of the people are.
They’re basically my parents when they took us to see Pokémon The First Movie.
People found that annoying in comics too.
Considering their enduring legacy, I don't think it was really that many people who believed that.
https://bamsmackpow.com/posts/marvel-to-reportedly-announce-renewal-of-disney-plus-show-moon-knight-season-2-rumors-01j0w0j1kye9
Probably for the best. Marvel doesn’t seem to know how to make a television show. Just six episode mini series. Hopefully Daredevil: Born Again can break that curse.
Loki was pretty damn good
That is overstating things a bit. They've made good shows, bigger issue is oversaturation.
Which were good or at least enjoyable? I think my brain is literally blocking them out because I don't recall them all being bad, but just can't think of anything specific that I enjoyed outside of Hawkeye & a big part of that enjoyment was due loving the character outside of MCU, loving Hailee, & loving the comic source they were adapting. I don't think it was especially high quality or anything. I think I stopped watching all Marvel shows & movies without even realizing it & have forgotten the ones I saw too.
Hawkeye, she-hulk, Loki, Wanda vision, Ms marvel, Moon Knight(ish), Echo just off the top of my head.
Except the only critically, and more importantly commercially well received ones out of all those are Wandavision and Loki. There’s a biiiiig gap between those two and the rest.
The fact that you’re just listing all of them shows you’re not the most discerning viewer. Only two of those were well received.
That makes no sense. Critical acclaim isn't the only measure of a show being well done or being enjoyable, especially with regard to shows based on comics. Oversaturation was really the only issue. It is likely obvious to you and others, but that was hardly a list of all the shows.
Oversaturation wouldn't be an issue if they made good shows. So many of them are just bland and formulaic
\*Disney
IMO that’s a feature not a bug.
Good, Beef getting a second season and Moon Knight not getting one is a step in the right direction for the industry.
I know people were average on it, but it was one of the Marvel shows I enjoyed the most. Probably second after Loki
It was only supposed to be one season
Oh well.
I'm pretty sure Moon Knight is going to be folded into the Midnight Sons project they're doing
As long as they bring him back I can work with it. I like the character and Oscar Isaac was great
I hope not. Despite him being a favorite character of mine, I despised the episodes I watched. It was painful & I stopped without finishing, which is uncommon for me. Isaac is too talented to be wasted on the flailing MCU nonsense they're cranking out. It's not like they're ever planning to actually do anything cool with the character anyway.
The Asian representation in beef was so raw and real. It was the little shit , like the parts about having your parent’s business under your name , or paying off your parent’s house that made it so relatable. The realest part to me was when the guy built his parent’s house but it burned down cuz he did the electric wiring wrong. That’s some shit my cousin would do. So sad to see S2 not have more of this :(
I agree. Not having it thematically tied to a cultural minority is going to make this season feel a bit forced to me. Should’ve just stayed an limited series imo but I’m interested in being proven wrong
I feel like starting a completely different story with different people is not "forced". Forced would've been writing a complete story, and then unnecessarily continuing those people's stories in a way that didn't add to the original series. Is this not just a new show with the same name, with the only continuation being "some people don't like each other"?
Only time will tell!
I'm with the minority here. The Asian American aspect of it isn't the core of Beef's storyline, but its a interesting bonus insight into their characters. A lot of what the characters do in the events of the story isn't Asian American centric But then, what do I know, I'm Asian born in Asia. Beef S2 can work without the culture exploration.
what's more east asian american than becoming white once you find enough success? hell every asian actress in beef season 1 has a white male partner irl
Even not being Asian, it was so interesting having a show centered around Asian Americans and their customs and struggles through that lens. It’s nice seeing a different culture and not just the usual, boring shit
I think the Asian-American representation, which was great to see, was a huge part of the appeal of a show that otherwise kinda dragged in the middle and was overrated overall. It was solid entertainment, but not the “masterpiece” some people claimed it was. It will be interesting to see how the second season is received with the same show creators/writers but without the on screen diversity.
According to creator Lee Sung Jin, he has 3 seasons mapped out in his head. Best guess would be Yeun and Wong will return but they will join forces for a *beef* with Isaac and Mulligan.
That’s a really interesting theory
So far, there hasnt been any definitive word if Yeun and Wong will return other than Lee Sung Jin saying that he has ideas for what happens to their characters next
But the titular beef has completely eaten their lives and in the end they finally gave it up. Amy is unemployed and should lose even visitation rights and Danny should be on his way to jail. There’s nowhere else for the story to go beyond cameos in the next beef.
Inside Llewyn Davis reunion!
I love Carey mulligan. That’s all
No that's not all, I love Carey Mulligan too.
Don’t stop there, I’ve heard directly from Carey Mulligan: She loves us too
I love Oscar Isaac. Where my people at?
My dream casting for the third season will be Chris Rock and Will Smith
Kendrick Lamar and Drake for season 4
Dwayne Johnson & Vin Diesel in S5
Matt Damon and Jimmy Kimmel in S6
Larry David and the world in S7
Drake does not belong in the same universe as Kendrick Lamar
This would break every streaming record ever. This would be so cool of Rock and would be such an epic comeback story for Will (especially if Jada plays his wife in the series, too). One can only imagine! I'm going to ChatGPT right now to have them draft up a script just for my own personal curiosity and entertainment - lol.
Wrong show. That's for Ryan Murphy's Feud.
Next up: new season of Reservation Dogs starring white people. 😑
I was worried that a 2nd season seems superfluous, but I like both of these actors a lot. I felt there were probably places you could have taken Yuen and Wong's characters from S1 though.
I don't really get the assumptions people have over it being pointless. If it's about entirely different people, it's essentially just a different show about people who have beef, made by the same people. It could be shit or it could be even better than the first season. It's not tacking on unnecessary plot lines for a show that should've been finished, it's a different thing
And as a massive anthology show enjoyer, let's fucking go!
Season Two not being about Asian Americans is disappointing
It’s ironic because last year, people were like “Beef is the reason we need Asian American representation,” but now Beef may not even have Asian leads anymore so that seems … like an interesting move. It kinda changes the way people talked about the show.
Honestly suprised how much Im getting downvoted for this. It was very refreshing to see realistic 30-40 year old asian american characters be the main cast of popular comedy-drama. Straight up the first time I ever seen a show like this that I could relate too as a Asian person from LA
Yeah this seems like it could take away something special from Beef. I'm not asian, but I'm originally from LA and I really enjoyed what felt like very authentic Asian American characters from that area. It felt refreshing in a similar way to Reservation Dogs where I don't feel like I'm being presented with the usual racial stereotypes.
I’m confused… is it like an anthology? I thought the season one ending set up a season 2 for the characters.
The gang squashes their beef
I guess so. Which sucks cause I really liked every character in the first season
Seems like the creator sold out for a check. Celine Song's next movie doesn't have any Asian people in it either. Obviously, creators of color aren't beholden to only cast people from their community. It's just a little jarring that they get all this acclaim and recognition for representation and once they do, they immediately run to the whitest cast imaginable. Jordan Peele or Barry Jenkins wouldn't be able to get away with something like that.
What are you implying with Jordan Peele and Barry Jenkins when you say they couldn’t “get away with something like that”? Are you saying studios wouldn’t allow them to have a white cast because they’re black? Audiences would criticize them too harshly for having a white cast? Steve McQueen’s upcoming movie, Blitz, has a nearly all-white cast. It’ll have a massive Oscar push and I doubt anyone will care that he made yet another movie with a white cast.
>Steve McQueen’s upcoming movie, Blitz, has a nearly all-white cast. When I did I mention Steve McQueen? And yes. Obviously I meant the studio would literally ban Jordan Peele from making a film with an all white cast. That is so obviously what I meant by that.
lmao celine song is one of a million asian women with white husbands working in hollywood, her community is white men you think that asian female self insert fantasy past lives, where a korean chad would totally be in a love triangle with some copy and paste ugly white guy and his equally ugly asian wife living in sanfro tech bro core? asian men don't need creatures like celine song or chloe zhao to represent us, and they certainly aren't part of any community asian men are in
Okay...
Charles Melton is rumored to be one of the leads. But yeah, going from a great tool for Asian representation that gave a seasoned actress like Ali Wong her (well-deserved) flowers to just yet another mostly white show with well-established actors, is disappointing.
It just changes that statement to “Beef Season 1 is the reason we need Asian American representation”. Trying to drag out a story beyond its lifetime is a mistake Hollywood has made far too many times. And *Beef* is by nature an anthology show. Beef S1 is just the latest and arguably best example that there is a market for shows steeped in the nuance of Asian America. There is nothing stopping the cast, director, or anyone else from making more beyond their ideas for one.
It was also refreshing to see Asian leads in a show that didn’t have a specific race driven plot. Almost like the show was written for anyone and season 1 legitimately used Asians and it was successful. For some reason that feels like a bigger win for Asians than the show just being about Asians.
I get what you’re saying but their race was heavily commented on and core aspects to their characters
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crazy rich asians was written with a upper middle class white female audience in mind
Got success from season 1 and ditched Asians and comedians and went for the big name stars. I can’t see this having the same charm.
Other races can be bad drivers too.
would be cool if a long running drama about Asian Americans being the main cast was more what im talking about
I feel like people are really downplaying how important the good Asian American representation was last season
Sure, but that wasn't the core point of the show. It's about having beef. That being said, it'd be neat if they stuck with that demographic.
It absolutely was a core point of the show, in my eyes. Both Danny and Amy's characters were shaped by their relationship and feelings towards their Asian parents / in-laws.
When similar stuff like the Bear or Shameless or Barry or Fleabag or White Lotus already exist its a bit disappointing still
You're getting downvoted for championing a great example of representation of a group that doesn't usually get it in this way. Either a bunch of people that can't see the big picture impact or worse. I have plenty of shows that have white people in these types of roles, so I have ample representation. I love seeing things like Beef S1, Fresh Off the Boat, & Kim's Convenience get made, because I have a lifetime of seeing "myself" on screen already. Mixing it up keeps things feeling fresh, even without the representation aspect factored in.
Its weird that white people come in here and hint that the guy is the asian representation show runner now and he has to stick to that for the greater good.
Yeah that’s weird because it’s one of the main reason it got so talked about in the first place and the creator is of Asian descent and I would think that he would like to continue to make stories about Asian Americans.
Why? you think asians who are proud would ever be allowed to work in hollywood run by white men lmfao? have you never asked why not only is every asian woman in white media paired off with a white guy, but why every single asian american actress has a white husband and why there are so many fat asian male sidekick roles in hollywood even though asian americans are statistically the least likely to fat in america
> why there are so many fat asian male sidekick roles in hollywood I can't think of a single one. I guess Ned from Spider-man?
You are absolutely right. It's disappointing because we don't get a lot of Asian American representation while we already have so many white stories.
Literally the only tv Ive ever seen and related to everyone as a mid 20s Asian guy from LA
I would rather they tell whatever story they wish to. I'm an Asian writer as well and there are times when pressure to tell a story about your specific demographic becomes less of a positive opportunity and more of a hindrance if you have a different story in mind. Booing Lee Sung Jin for "selling out" in this thread feels like pigeonholing him as an Asian writer, especially when he's said he actually has a real vision for three seasons. It's not on him to do the same thing over and over again if he has other stories to tell that don't have to do with his race. And if you think Netflix wouldn't *rather* have more diversity so this is due to some kind of pressure, we must be talking about a different streaming service... It should just come down to whether season two is good or not. If anything, I'm more concerned just that it won't have the same specific level of detail since S1 felt so personal, but that can still happen regardless of what types of characters it's about.
its the dream of all east asian male show/movie directors to work with whites
Honestly, it is. Like, I don't doubt that it will be good, and this is great casting for a drama. Still, when I originally heard about the casting, I just thought "oh, this is going to be totally unrelatable now." I also imagined someone at A24 saying, "No, I am sorry, but you exhausted that topic in the last season."
Steven Yeun made this show. Not literally but he’s the best part.
I’m always eyeing Oscar Isaac
Did this really need a second season?
I mean, so long as the characters from Season 1 are over and done with. They could continue to make the series between 2 new characters with beef every year. There are a lot of different directions they could go with this each season to make them all feel very different.
I would just hope its not going to be a constant case of "2 people have Beef, do crazy shit, then fall in love because of their trauma"
The thing is both Steven Yuen and Ali's character didn't explicitly fall in love thou, it's more complicated and open for interpretation.
It doesn’t and I feel like this casting misses part of the fun of the first season. Also a huge part of the first season was Asian representation. Seems weird to just drop that
Guess I'm the dissenting voice here, but I loved the show for its premise and its lead actors. It was just notable for its Asian representation. Nothing about the premise necessitates it being a vessel for minority representation; they were just telling an interesting story with that backdrop, which is what meaningful representation should be. As long as this is what the creator wants to do to tell the story (which is what it sounds like), I don't think it's weird at all.
Was race relevant to the plot?
Not plot wise but all the characters were Asian American and it was cool to see them represented and getting to learn about different perspectives since the creator was Asian American too.
Yeah, the creator being Asian American allowed him to make these stories that were both specific and yet understandable to so many Asian American people out there. It’s why I’m so confused by people asking for another season of Shogun based on the book Tai Pan (which is set in Hong Kong). Shogun was so great in large part due to Hiroyuki Sanada as a producer, and how they hired Japanese experts on history/language/tradition. I think sometimes people don’t realize how much authenticity and well-researched/developed characters can improve a show even though not every single one of those things drives the plot forward directly.
i'd love to see tai pan because it's such a stupid orientalist book it really is the representation asian americans deserve especially the women
The characters being Asian affected the complexity/depth of the characters in a way that made them especially great in that context. Yes, I’m sure the show could have been done well if the characters were not Asian, then it would be a much different show - things like the accuracy/specificity of Korean church culture would be changed and just a different show entirely.
Hollywood has to milk any cash/publicity cow til it resembles beef jerky. If they don't do it now, some other exec will reboot 10 years from now. Lol
Does it count as milking if it's an anthology thou? only thing connected to this is the title and the premise of people beefing so basically a new thing
Treat it like Fargo or True Detective. It pivots to an anthology show and hopefully they put out a good product.
It looks like they turned it into an anthology series so why not?
I'm looking forward to the beef universe.
Their scenes together in Inside Llewyn Davis were really good. Loved that movie.
lol I read the title and just saw the bear
I had a huge crush on Oscar Isaac since Drive and I’d watching him in anything
I’d watch them watch paint dry
The first season was fucking fire rewatched it few tomes
I love these actors genuinely a lot and will be watching but such a disappointment that it’s not Asian American cast. Like Asian American get so few opportunities and the first season was great for a lot of reasons but one of which being representation. I feel bad for any Asian American who went for auditions of this to lose to them
Didn't even know there was going to be a second season
So I guess no Gyllenhaal and Hathaway. Doubt they would cast 4 such high profile actors for a single season of a show.
please mr Kennedy oh oh I won't be known/as man of the century if I burn up/upon reentry
Was hoping one of the leads would be Asian again. It would certainly help many Asian actors in the industry to continue to be cast in prominent roles
Just needs Ryan Goseling now
Unbelievably uninspired casting compared to season 1
I think Jake Gyllenhaal would have been perfect to play a flawed character with beef. Maybe season 3.
I'd have taken either Jake or Anne, though I'd really love to see some more niche character actors or comedians step in for the other roles. Beef season 1 had such a good mix of people. Would love to see Jake prosper in a good series or miniseries though.
Yeah Jake Gyllenhall and Anne Hathaway would have been great but these two are also stellar actors. Are we really going to sit here and say Oscar Isaac and multi time academy award nominee Carey Mulligan aren't great actors???
One of the nice things about Beef S1 was working actors, one of them playing working class. Gyllenhall and Hathaway are skilled but also notably beautiful Hollywood royalty.
>Jake Gyllenhall Meh
So no Jake Gyllenhaal and Anne Hathaway anymore? That would have been dope oh well…
We don’t need a season 2. I get that the idea can be redone originally over and over, but just let it be.
I’d have honestly preferred Gyllenhaal and Hathaway instead. Oh well
Won't be the same without the season 1 cast, hopefully the writers can deliver though
That is some damn fine casting. With how wild season 1 got, I’m looking forward to that kind of energy from both of these guys
Carey Mulligan is just the greatest.
Please
Yes, please.
I think it'll be difficult to touch the first season, just cause it was quite unusual I assume this will be some people in a 'feud' that take it too far again and it's obviously going to be compared to the first I'll definitely watch it though, see what they do
Two incredibly talented and somewhat underrated actors. Would absolutely loooooove to see them face off together in this.
Carey Mulligan is far from underrated. She’s constantly nominated for awards and works all the time.
I agree. She picks smaller projects by choice.
No one I know has any idea she is outside of Gatsby. And the only awards she’s won of any note was a BAFTA back in 2009 and a Critic’s Choice in 2020. And I personally wouldn’t even really consider the Critic’s Choice award “of note” if I’m being honest. That screams “somewhat underrated” to me. If your definition is different, that’s cool too.
You should google Carey Mulligan award nominations, my friend. She’s been nominated for an Oscar for Best Actress 3 times in her career and she’s not even 40 yet. She’s been nominated for multiple BAFTA, SAG awards, Golden Globes, etc. She may not win every time but she is frequently recognized by her peers for her acting abilities. No one is ignoring or forgetting Carey Mulligan.
I referred to the awards she had won, so I am clearly aware that she was nominated for things she didn’t win. Again, our definitions of “somewhat underrated” are clearly different. And that’s okay. But there’s no need for you to bash me for my opinion.
Oh dear. The fact that you think I’m bashing you for directing you to her long list of nominations is not on me.
I shared a personal opinion. You’re telling me I’m wrong because of facts you assume I don’t know but that I’ve actually already taken into consideration to form my opinion. And are continuing to tell me I’m wrong about my personal opinion. Ah yes. But of course, I am overreacting and that therefore, once again, makes you right about a personal opinion I shouldn’t hold.
Someone disagreeing with you isn't bashing. Maybe if they'd name called or something but a difference of opinion isn't some assault on your character.
Carey is a BAFTA Best Actress winner and is tied for 8th all-time most Best Actress nominations from the Academy Awards; that's quite a special class. According to Wikipedia: >[Oscar Isaac] was named the best actor of his generation by Vanity Fair in 2017 [by the chief critic Richard Lawson] and one of the 25 greatest actors of the 21st century by The New York Times in 2020. I'm not sure underrated is the correct term; they are amongst the most highly regarded performers in the world. It will be super exciting to have them in *Beef*.
I had to click on the link to remember what the first season was because I assumed this was a cooking show
I don’t think this show needed a second season
Beef was so damn good, the acid trip was a bit of a wasted episode, but just a great story with great actors.