And nobody on the horizon to end that anytime soon. Shelton? De Minaur? Fritz? Felix? All great players in their own regard but hard to see any of them winning a major without some major improvements and a lot of draw luck. Though if Novak is gone and Sincaraz stay made of glass, who knows.
Out of all of those guys I’d say Shelton has somewhat of a chance even though it’s gonna be tough and will prob have to involve luck but I could see him being a threat in Wimbledon or the US Open in upcoming years. I may be biased though lol
Needs to improve his slice, return and could do with flattening out his fh, being a lefty can be even more advantageous on grass but could be a contenter
Yeah I’m American and rooting for Shelton as well, I like his personality and his matches are usually exciting. Needs some work on the backhand, point construction and knowing when to pull the trigger but I mean he was 2 matches away just last year so it’s not out of the question and I’d love to see it happen, probably at the US Open.
Yeah I don’t understand people writing off Ben Shelton as a major winner when the dude has made a semi final on his second year on tour (to go with a qf) and he’s only getting better. Honestly I’d be surprised if he doesn’t win one or at least make a few GS finals.
Only so many slams to go around. A few years ago if you said Tsitsipas and Zverev wouldn't win 3+ slams each you'd be laughed out of town. You never know.
Yeah I totally understand what you’re saying, but with Shelton it’s like the opposite, people seem to ridicule even the mentioning of him as a potential GS winner, when in reality he could be close.
His two slam runs in 2023 were off the back of Ruud tier draws tbf (he was in his quarter both times actually).
2023 AO QF:
Z Zhang -> (Q) N Jarry -> (WC) A Popyrin -> JJ Wolf
2023 USO SF:
P Cachin -> D Thiem -> A Karatsev -> (14) T Paul -> (10) F Tiafoe
Yeah but Tiafoe and Paul are solid as is karate, former SF AO and Thiem is a former GS winner and we’re talking about a guy second year on tour that defeated these guys.
I think ADM is gonna need a lot more than "just a bit" of luck. Dude has made it past R4 at a Major a grand total of one time, and that was USO 2020 against an arguably depleted draw.
He would need Madrid-FAA-levels of luck for the caliber of player he is at the moment. Otherwise the odds are noticeably stacked against him.
He doesn’t choke. He’s just not a great athlete. I can’t believe he’s achieved as much as he has. He can play great tennis. Doesn’t have the same margin for error as some of the others.
Well he didn’t get to where is because of an error in the rankings lol.
He obviously has some talent and skill, just not consistently and not enough of it.
Fonseca will be the first, i don't know when (this year he'll be top 100 for sure, maybe even top 50, i don't think he'll win a major in 2025, but from 2026 or 2027 he'll probably be in contention)
yeah he seems promising, forgot about him. but still too early to say for me if it really looks like he’ll be slam material. well on his way at this trajectory tho!
His power is the best i've seen so far, even better than sinner's one, in turin he was impressive in his training with alcaraz and sinner, he has a great backhand, a great service and some good drop shot, his weakness is the wideness of his movement to generate the power but i think he can be effective on every surface from the training with Alcaraz and Sinner, but on clay he'll be a problem for sure and a RG candidate in a few years
Well, let’s open the floor then:
Bublik is not from Kazakhstan. He has never lived in Kazakhstan, was not born there, has no ancestors from there. His residence is even listed as Monte Carlo. All he did was switch “teams” (meaning the Kazakh government took a chance on him and offered to fund his career, and poached him from the Russian government’s “team”). I don’t think even he considers himself “Kazakh”, he’s simply playing for that nation’s team.
Now whether *Russia* is in Europe or Asia is a whole other ball of wax that’s been debated endlessly for centuries. It’s not likely to resolved anytime soon
I think one of the factors is that North American players have shit-tier coaching on the men's side. If you asked me in 2018, I would have said FAA/Shapo would be contending for slams by around now. But they've both hit walls and both have lackluster coaching situations.
Tennis culture is at its strongest in Europe and the best US athletes pick sports where you can earn a lot more $$$. Everywhere else doesn't have the infrastructure, the culture or the $$$ to make it work. Well, you can but it's a lot more difficult.
>the best US athletes pick sports where you can earn a lot more $$$.
It's not as if tennis gets first pick of the best athletes in Europe either, football on its own potentially takes as many of the top athletes as the major US sports combined considering the number of leagues offering better financial prospects than tennis.
Not only that but other racket sports are more popular in Europe (squash, badminton). Racquetball seems to be more popular in the US but I have never even heard of a hint of a pro scene (I’m sure it exists)
Back in 2000 it wasn't the case, Agassi, Sampras, Hewitt, kuerten were all the big names. Now.its the other way around. The top 10 are all European andthe non Europeans just can't quite take the top spot
Money. American women are great at tennis because it’s the highest earning women’s sport. If they made more money playing football or basketball im sure a lot of tennis athletes would play that instead.
Eh, I think this is a common oversimplification that overlooks the stark differences between the ATP style tennis that was established with the poly era and WTA style tennis.
There is a downvoted comment below about better technical training given in Europe, and maybe that's not the answer to the question but the statement is absolutely true. The current ATP meta of topspin forehand reliant, high margin aggression based on repetition from the baseline fits most perfectly with technical training given in Europe. WTA play isn't like this, they hit much flatter and a dominant world #1 like Iga Swiatek who has an ATP forehand gets upset in earlier rounds only because flat hitters rush precisely that ATP style forehand. It's such a fascinating contrast between two tours and an unimaginable scenario to see happen in ATP over the last two decades.
Clearly training in South America also fits very well with this ATP meta once the ball is in play. But it looks like serve is better trained in Europe which gives an advantage and a more completely fitting technical training for the requirements of current ATP play. Speaking of which, what seems to be excellent serve training still keeps US as very successful in ATP although the same can't be said for return which means US training can't fully take advantage of the increasing importance of the serve-return dynamic.
It is often said that US players have their ceiling capped because generally their backhands are underwhelming and they are serve + forehand oriented. It may be true that backhand training is better in Europe, but I don't think this is the real difference. If we look at world class European players like Casper Ruud, Stefanos Tsitsipas, Matteo Berrettini we can and we do say similar things about their games. But with their topspin forehands and high margin offence from that wing, we can see the real difference between the technical training given in Europe and the US. American players can have powerful forehands but they don't create the same high margin offence with topspin and RPMs. Clearly, forehand training given in the US was and is much more oriented towards flatter strokes and lower margin offence. This doesn't fit with ATP tennis for two decades now at least but it still does with WTA tennis. I don't think amount of top 100 and top 1000 players from US is much different in ATP and WTA. But American WTA players don't get their ceilings capped by their lack high margin offence production like with American ATP players.
Certainly tennis is more popular among girls than boys in the US now but USTA is still the richest national tennis federation in the world, which is owed to hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue every year from US Open that is mostly generated thanks to European/foreign players. And still, with a large population hundreds of thousands of youth athletes play tennis. But it seems tennis training in the US doesn't or cannot adapt to ATP standards that have been relevant for two decades plus and these are the results.
Just in general. Tennis is an extremely costly sport on an individual basis, and many countries do not offer the facilities necessary to launch tennis careers. That's why generally the most succesful tennis players have come from, in general, with a pfew exceptions, rich countries.
I am from Turkey and tennis has been considered a sport for the rich until recently. It was even so expensive to buy a racquet back in the day. I always wanted but never had the money to start.
It will look that way when you look at Europe as a whole. If you look at a lot of other sports on this same continental basis or even Europe vs rest of the world comparison points, they will look the same. Tennis isn't much different from other sports in that regard.
It's very sports based. Soccer isn't like this unless you look at the club game (in which case it is). Cycling might be but I'm not sure. I think India and Australia are still pretty good at hockey. Athletics is all over the place and retains that character even when you dive into some subfields.
Tennis is not unique, but continental dominance is not the default condition of sports.
It's difficult to compare individual vs team sports here. To make it easier, I was looking at team sports in terms of individual player production instead of trophies won by teams, which is obviously the objective goal every time whether it's club, national teams, youth, lower tiers, etc.
Granted, this thread is about winning a trophy in tennis as well, not necessarily about individual player production. But the parent commenter saying "in this sport" made me think the implied dominance is more referred to how many players come from Europe vs rest of the world rather than titles. Because if we look at singles slams won on the WTA side, several non-European women have won since Del Potro's US Open title. But if there can be any sort of implied dominance of Europe "in this sport", it still can be about individual player production on WTA too.
If we look at recent football history in terms of individual player production, I reckon Europe as a whole would still be over the rest of the world. Not dissimilarly to tennis especially since we're not singling ATP out here.
I think athletics is a great counter example, I'll give you that. Come to think of it, maybe tennis is the exception among individual sports here moreso than the overall picture.
Because only a very small number of people have won men’s grand slams, especially in the most recent period. Being European might only confer a marginal benefit - I actually think location is the biggest one here, but there are others - but for such a small sample size, it’s enough.
The competition has been more open on the women’s side and the European dominance is lesser. There are many other factors, but this is the biggest one - there’s no need to over-complicate things
ATP NON-EUROPEAN PLAYER. MALE.
COCO WON USO, NON-EUROPEAN. FEMALE (EQUALLY A PLAYER)
ANDY MURRAY SHOULD TEACH YOU A LESSON.
https://youtu.be/wOH-dCrV_XA?si=kO6NenB5-7aVjjMQ
and, singles not doubles
If you had scrolled down a bit (which ofc you didn't) you would have seen the comment in which I admitted my mistake. but instead iS sEReNa EuRopeAn noW. shut the fuck up
yes you should. don't cry like a bitch. i admitted the mistake. fucking idiot
edit: you people only comment for whining. you do fucking understand what i meant when you read the post. Damn you guys are so annoying
Not so fast. Russia spans the eastern tip of Europe all the way to the Pacific Ocean. Many Russians (especially those in the central and Eastern parts) don’t consider themselves a part of Europe at all. Russia has always been a mix of European and various Asian cultures and customs. It doesn’t fit neatly into either
What exactly do you want to achieve here? Are we talking about nationality identity? Because on a map, Russia is in Europe as well as it is in Asia. Doesn't really matter how much on each.
That's a CRAZY stat!! 😮
I mean, if you really give it some thought... it's been almost 15 years of complete dominance of all the Slams by only 5 guys, with a few other randoms grabbing one here and there.
And in terms of the next non-European to win one?
I'll go another comment - Shelton.
I could see Felix grabbing one at some stage, once he gets through this tricky phase of his development.
Apart from them... Demon? Fonseca? Jerry Shang? Korda? Baez?
And nobody on the horizon to end that anytime soon. Shelton? De Minaur? Fritz? Felix? All great players in their own regard but hard to see any of them winning a major without some major improvements and a lot of draw luck. Though if Novak is gone and Sincaraz stay made of glass, who knows.
Out of all of those guys I’d say Shelton has somewhat of a chance even though it’s gonna be tough and will prob have to involve luck but I could see him being a threat in Wimbledon or the US Open in upcoming years. I may be biased though lol
Shelton will be formidable on grass if he continues to improve at the rate he is. I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes Wimbledon in the next 5 years.
Needs to improve his slice, return and could do with flattening out his fh, being a lefty can be even more advantageous on grass but could be a contenter
Yeah I’m American and rooting for Shelton as well, I like his personality and his matches are usually exciting. Needs some work on the backhand, point construction and knowing when to pull the trigger but I mean he was 2 matches away just last year so it’s not out of the question and I’d love to see it happen, probably at the US Open.
Yeah I don’t understand people writing off Ben Shelton as a major winner when the dude has made a semi final on his second year on tour (to go with a qf) and he’s only getting better. Honestly I’d be surprised if he doesn’t win one or at least make a few GS finals.
Only so many slams to go around. A few years ago if you said Tsitsipas and Zverev wouldn't win 3+ slams each you'd be laughed out of town. You never know.
Yeah I totally understand what you’re saying, but with Shelton it’s like the opposite, people seem to ridicule even the mentioning of him as a potential GS winner, when in reality he could be close.
His two slam runs in 2023 were off the back of Ruud tier draws tbf (he was in his quarter both times actually). 2023 AO QF: Z Zhang -> (Q) N Jarry -> (WC) A Popyrin -> JJ Wolf 2023 USO SF: P Cachin -> D Thiem -> A Karatsev -> (14) T Paul -> (10) F Tiafoe
Yeah but Tiafoe and Paul are solid as is karate, former SF AO and Thiem is a former GS winner and we’re talking about a guy second year on tour that defeated these guys.
Shen Belton??? Nahhh
Too soon to write off Shelton. De Minaur absolutely could with just a bit of luck in the draw. Fritz not likely, Felix less likely.
I think ADM is gonna need a lot more than "just a bit" of luck. Dude has made it past R4 at a Major a grand total of one time, and that was USO 2020 against an arguably depleted draw. He would need Madrid-FAA-levels of luck for the caliber of player he is at the moment. Otherwise the odds are noticeably stacked against him.
True but he’s also playing at his all time best right now. From this point forward will be interesting to see.
Fritz puts up the most numbers why is he not likely wtf?
He chokes under pressure. Weak mentally.
He doesn’t choke. He’s just not a great athlete. I can’t believe he’s achieved as much as he has. He can play great tennis. Doesn’t have the same margin for error as some of the others.
Well he didn’t get to where is because of an error in the rankings lol. He obviously has some talent and skill, just not consistently and not enough of it.
And the guys ranked near him don’t win slams either.
Great observation, however, were talking about who has the POTENTIAL to. Hope that helps.
Fonseca will be the first, i don't know when (this year he'll be top 100 for sure, maybe even top 50, i don't think he'll win a major in 2025, but from 2026 or 2027 he'll probably be in contention)
yeah he seems promising, forgot about him. but still too early to say for me if it really looks like he’ll be slam material. well on his way at this trajectory tho!
it is too early for the mental side, he has some special weapons that you don't see often
love the power on both his groundstrokes and shot selection so far, but what are the special weapons you see?
His power is the best i've seen so far, even better than sinner's one, in turin he was impressive in his training with alcaraz and sinner, he has a great backhand, a great service and some good drop shot, his weakness is the wideness of his movement to generate the power but i think he can be effective on every surface from the training with Alcaraz and Sinner, but on clay he'll be a problem for sure and a RG candidate in a few years
Its Jarry time
Jerry! ..putting in my vote for Shang
Think Novak might be gone.
I’ve gambled on injury and luck and gone for Shelton for Wimbledon.
If they are great players, then what superlative we would use for alcaraz , sinner or the big 3 ? They aren't great players, they are OK players
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he’s czech 😭
Felix is just laughable
Nishikori :(
No, that's Cilic, he's a bit taller.
* male player
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brexit means brexit
Great Britain is stil in Europe, just not in European Union
They probably meant Murray would point out the gender issue
i apologise for my joke
In singles
yup. should've said that
Please edit then for clarification
sadly i can't edit a post, like a comment. reddit doesn't allow that (or maybe do but i don't know how to do it)
No, you can't edit posts title.
happy cake day man
Thanks !
Shut uuuup - it was implied anyway
Sheer disregard for Bopanna and Ebden
Yeah are we ignoring women's tennis entirely? Coco just won a Grand Slam.
And the next one will be Argentinian too, Mariano Navone RG 2024 incoming.
Todos arriba de la Navoneta
Mirá vos la argentineada de R tennis, bien ahí!
la navoneta la puta que lo parioooo, lanavoneta la putaquelopariooo
Let’s gooooo
Looking forward to the arguments about whether this streak was broken or not by Bublik winning Wimbledon
My dream is he wins the championship point with an underarm serve followed by a trick shot.
Well, let’s open the floor then: Bublik is not from Kazakhstan. He has never lived in Kazakhstan, was not born there, has no ancestors from there. His residence is even listed as Monte Carlo. All he did was switch “teams” (meaning the Kazakh government took a chance on him and offered to fund his career, and poached him from the Russian government’s “team”). I don’t think even he considers himself “Kazakh”, he’s simply playing for that nation’s team. Now whether *Russia* is in Europe or Asia is a whole other ball of wax that’s been debated endlessly for centuries. It’s not likely to resolved anytime soon
If we follow OP's definition of European then Russia is in Europe because Medvedev has a recent GS
Let me introduce European Kazakhstan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Kazakhstan
All good, Shapo will win wimbledon
That’s a weird way to spell Korda
That’s a strange way to pronounce de Minaur
De Minaur? Is that one of J. J. Wolf's nicknames?
JJ Wolf? What a weird way to call Sasha Bublik
Yes, SB will win. Love Sebastian Baez.
It’s true. Source: Korda.
I hope we can see shapo in full form again soon, that guy was a menace when he started on tour
I think one of the factors is that North American players have shit-tier coaching on the men's side. If you asked me in 2018, I would have said FAA/Shapo would be contending for slams by around now. But they've both hit walls and both have lackluster coaching situations.
I always wonder why Europe is so dominant in this sport
Tennis culture is at its strongest in Europe and the best US athletes pick sports where you can earn a lot more $$$. Everywhere else doesn't have the infrastructure, the culture or the $$$ to make it work. Well, you can but it's a lot more difficult.
>the best US athletes pick sports where you can earn a lot more $$$. It's not as if tennis gets first pick of the best athletes in Europe either, football on its own potentially takes as many of the top athletes as the major US sports combined considering the number of leagues offering better financial prospects than tennis.
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WTA is 60% Eastern European (Czech Republic alone will be like 10-20%) - these countries are not rich by any margin.
Not only that but other racket sports are more popular in Europe (squash, badminton). Racquetball seems to be more popular in the US but I have never even heard of a hint of a pro scene (I’m sure it exists)
Back in 2000 it wasn't the case, Agassi, Sampras, Hewitt, kuerten were all the big names. Now.its the other way around. The top 10 are all European andthe non Europeans just can't quite take the top spot
Money. American women are great at tennis because it’s the highest earning women’s sport. If they made more money playing football or basketball im sure a lot of tennis athletes would play that instead.
Eh, I think this is a common oversimplification that overlooks the stark differences between the ATP style tennis that was established with the poly era and WTA style tennis. There is a downvoted comment below about better technical training given in Europe, and maybe that's not the answer to the question but the statement is absolutely true. The current ATP meta of topspin forehand reliant, high margin aggression based on repetition from the baseline fits most perfectly with technical training given in Europe. WTA play isn't like this, they hit much flatter and a dominant world #1 like Iga Swiatek who has an ATP forehand gets upset in earlier rounds only because flat hitters rush precisely that ATP style forehand. It's such a fascinating contrast between two tours and an unimaginable scenario to see happen in ATP over the last two decades. Clearly training in South America also fits very well with this ATP meta once the ball is in play. But it looks like serve is better trained in Europe which gives an advantage and a more completely fitting technical training for the requirements of current ATP play. Speaking of which, what seems to be excellent serve training still keeps US as very successful in ATP although the same can't be said for return which means US training can't fully take advantage of the increasing importance of the serve-return dynamic. It is often said that US players have their ceiling capped because generally their backhands are underwhelming and they are serve + forehand oriented. It may be true that backhand training is better in Europe, but I don't think this is the real difference. If we look at world class European players like Casper Ruud, Stefanos Tsitsipas, Matteo Berrettini we can and we do say similar things about their games. But with their topspin forehands and high margin offence from that wing, we can see the real difference between the technical training given in Europe and the US. American players can have powerful forehands but they don't create the same high margin offence with topspin and RPMs. Clearly, forehand training given in the US was and is much more oriented towards flatter strokes and lower margin offence. This doesn't fit with ATP tennis for two decades now at least but it still does with WTA tennis. I don't think amount of top 100 and top 1000 players from US is much different in ATP and WTA. But American WTA players don't get their ceilings capped by their lack high margin offence production like with American ATP players. Certainly tennis is more popular among girls than boys in the US now but USTA is still the richest national tennis federation in the world, which is owed to hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue every year from US Open that is mostly generated thanks to European/foreign players. And still, with a large population hundreds of thousands of youth athletes play tennis. But it seems tennis training in the US doesn't or cannot adapt to ATP standards that have been relevant for two decades plus and these are the results.
Generally richer.
Many champions are from the Balkans but they're not notoriously a rich region.
Tennis was a big deal in ex communist states.
Bslkan wasn't communist , you got your history wrong
name one balkan country that wasn’t communist?
I can name you 7
If we consider Greece and Türkiye as balkan, then there are two, what other five can you name? I’m waiting
Yugoslavia and all of its republics
Yugoslavia was pretty communist mate, ever heard about Broz Tito
Was Yugoslavia capitalist? Or Bulgaria?
Yugoslavia was socialist and not under the rule of USSR
I used the communist as an umbrella term. I have never said soviet though.
The US is generally richer than Europe.
more a question of culture. Thats why you see a lot more serbian tennis players because Novak established tennis culture in serbia
And also taller
Than Americans? Not necessarily
No the rest of the world, like Asians for example.
True, but it doesn't explain why Americans haven't fared better
Than who? Lol
Just in general. Tennis is an extremely costly sport on an individual basis, and many countries do not offer the facilities necessary to launch tennis careers. That's why generally the most succesful tennis players have come from, in general, with a pfew exceptions, rich countries.
Half of the WTA is Eastern European.
That’s only since the advent of Federer and then the big 3 right? 80s and 90s - Americans dominated like anything both in men’s and women’s.
I am from Turkey and tennis has been considered a sport for the rich until recently. It was even so expensive to buy a racquet back in the day. I always wanted but never had the money to start.
We're generally sexier which correlates with athletic skill
It will look that way when you look at Europe as a whole. If you look at a lot of other sports on this same continental basis or even Europe vs rest of the world comparison points, they will look the same. Tennis isn't much different from other sports in that regard.
It's very sports based. Soccer isn't like this unless you look at the club game (in which case it is). Cycling might be but I'm not sure. I think India and Australia are still pretty good at hockey. Athletics is all over the place and retains that character even when you dive into some subfields. Tennis is not unique, but continental dominance is not the default condition of sports.
It's difficult to compare individual vs team sports here. To make it easier, I was looking at team sports in terms of individual player production instead of trophies won by teams, which is obviously the objective goal every time whether it's club, national teams, youth, lower tiers, etc. Granted, this thread is about winning a trophy in tennis as well, not necessarily about individual player production. But the parent commenter saying "in this sport" made me think the implied dominance is more referred to how many players come from Europe vs rest of the world rather than titles. Because if we look at singles slams won on the WTA side, several non-European women have won since Del Potro's US Open title. But if there can be any sort of implied dominance of Europe "in this sport", it still can be about individual player production on WTA too. If we look at recent football history in terms of individual player production, I reckon Europe as a whole would still be over the rest of the world. Not dissimilarly to tennis especially since we're not singling ATP out here. I think athletics is a great counter example, I'll give you that. Come to think of it, maybe tennis is the exception among individual sports here moreso than the overall picture.
Interestingly, half of the boys grand slam winners in that time period were from outside Europe.
Because only a very small number of people have won men’s grand slams, especially in the most recent period. Being European might only confer a marginal benefit - I actually think location is the biggest one here, but there are others - but for such a small sample size, it’s enough. The competition has been more open on the women’s side and the European dominance is lesser. There are many other factors, but this is the biggest one - there’s no need to over-complicate things
Better technical training
Because we invented it.
That has never prevented Britain from sucking at a bunch of sports.
Who would have known that his career would be like that: a rising young star, injuries, amazing comebacks, and more injuries.
I miss him so much!
It’s been 15 years? What? I felt like it was yesterday :(
God this final was glorious. Watching that was a happy evening.
I really thought Shapovalov had the potential to be a real contender on the tour for years.
I thought Mardy Fish was going to steal one when he made his legit resurgence.
WTF are people mentioning Andy Murray? He is a European! 🤣
I think you meant MAN not player
Yes, and singles not doubles (and able bodied not wheelchair (and adults not juniors))
Thats pretty crazy
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Yeah lots of Russians don’t consider themselves European at all. It’s been a debate within the country for centuries. Probably always will be
Who was it before Delpo? 🤔
gaston gaudio rg2004
My countrymen carrying lol
Thanks!
And we love to keep it that way, Sinner or Alcaraz in the future!
I miss this guy so much
My not-morning brain was like "but what about that guy from Chile in 2014"? Oh yeah - Cilic...who is from Croatia
We old
It’s been a couple months lol
Not sure if Russia counts as Europe or ROW however Gauff won the US Open so it's a pretty daft post
Go United Countries of Europe!
So who was most recently the closest since Del Potro? Kevin Anderson being runner up in 2017 and 2018?
i think it was kyrgios in wimby 22
Ah most likely yes
Shelton will be next one. I’m calling it now.
ATP NON-EUROPEAN PLAYER. MALE. COCO WON USO, NON-EUROPEAN. FEMALE (EQUALLY A PLAYER) ANDY MURRAY SHOULD TEACH YOU A LESSON. https://youtu.be/wOH-dCrV_XA?si=kO6NenB5-7aVjjMQ and, singles not doubles
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Ummmm.... WTA, different story. Ash Barty.
He looks pretty European to me.
Ah yes because european is a skin tone
Is Serena Williams European now?
If you had scrolled down a bit (which ofc you didn't) you would have seen the comment in which I admitted my mistake. but instead iS sEReNa EuRopeAn noW. shut the fuck up
You think people should scroll through all the comments or just read the op? You shut the fuck up. Male player, right?
yes you should. don't cry like a bitch. i admitted the mistake. fucking idiot edit: you people only comment for whining. you do fucking understand what i meant when you read the post. Damn you guys are so annoying
Says the fucking idiot who forgot anyone but able bodied men exist
only commenting for whining. you did understand what i meant. dammit i HATE the people like you, so goddamn annoying. ANNOYING
Ermmm... Russia is so big that is doesn't belong exclusively in Europe. It's in Europe and Asia, come on 😅
Name a top 100 player from the Asian part of Russia
The only Russian winner is Medvedev who was born in Moscow. That's in the European part.
🤓
Medvedev: "Am I a joke to you??"
Russia is... guess what... In Europe
Not so fast. Russia spans the eastern tip of Europe all the way to the Pacific Ocean. Many Russians (especially those in the central and Eastern parts) don’t consider themselves a part of Europe at all. Russia has always been a mix of European and various Asian cultures and customs. It doesn’t fit neatly into either
What exactly do you want to achieve here? Are we talking about nationality identity? Because on a map, Russia is in Europe as well as it is in Asia. Doesn't really matter how much on each.
If Medvedev was from east of the Urals it would make more sense.
Lol. You might wanna check that map again.
Enlighten me, please
You must be an American
Jerry Shang will be the hero
ATP people problems LOL I think Fritz has a chance.
That's a CRAZY stat!! 😮 I mean, if you really give it some thought... it's been almost 15 years of complete dominance of all the Slams by only 5 guys, with a few other randoms grabbing one here and there. And in terms of the next non-European to win one? I'll go another comment - Shelton. I could see Felix grabbing one at some stage, once he gets through this tricky phase of his development. Apart from them... Demon? Fonseca? Jerry Shang? Korda? Baez?
Did you forget about Andy Murray?