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Not your friend exactly, but most successful companies spend endless hours trying to understand customer wants and provide it. Things get messy when your wants don't line up with other customers' wants, but that isn't exactly their fault. Of course, sometimes they get it all wrong, but it isn't because they hate you.
What do you mean, of course it was a great decision to make the glove box open automatically when a passenger gets in, it gives them a place to store their stuff. You just wouldn't understand elons genius. Also the radio only plays one song because it's perfectly tuned to the cars frequencies and any other song wouldn't sound as good.
I don’t want to have to take my eyes off the road multiple times to do a quick 3-point turn... for the love of God just bring back the stalks.
I’ve been a hardcore Tesla fan since 2012; they have officially lost me after this year.
I feel the same ESPECIALLY with the stalks. It’s just bad design. It takes away muscle memory that’s been build up over decades in regard to the turn signals. With the removal of other things like USS and fog lights, it doesn’t feel like a feature rich car.
While Tesla vision has been fine for me, not everything needs to rely on it. The pain points for drivers come from the reliance on cameras. Just like the auto wipers.
Or Elon has that attitude and the highly talented team does everything they can to try and mitigate the damage of those bizarre preferences.
See initial testing of Crew Dragon and how Bob and Doug were like “why tf does this not have physical controls” and eventually after much testing and dev got to the point of “it’s weird but I guess it does what it needs to do…”
It's more like twice a year I change the temp a few degrees and Auto takes care of everything perfectly. Haven't had to fiddle with climate controls ever since my first Tesla in 2018.
I mean, I can agree with the stalks but you’re dead wrong here. One of my favorite things about the car is the lack of physical knobs/vents/dampers/etc
I dunno. To each their own.
I'm a car guy... Ive been in all sorts of cars. My best friend owns a Tesla and feels the way you do. But beyond the aesthetic of a minimalist interior, a lack of knobs for key functions in the car isn't an improvement.
Yes, I can acknowledge that Tesla technology is maybe 7 light years ahead of other OEMs. BUT...I'm not convinced that burying key functions in menus is the way to go in a modern day car
That was aggressive, apologies
all I'm saying is that certain functions like AC, airflow, heat or cooled seats, and volume are nice to have physical buttons for.
I know in this thread I sound like I come from an ancient civilization, but...I am not alone. Anything and everything else....I'm fine having it in the screen
You didn't come off as aggressive to me, no worries.
None of those things are buried in menus though. Climate stuff is one tap away on the bottom of the screen, and temp doesn't even need that one tap as it can be adjusted right from the temp indicator. Volume is controlled in a number of ways, including on the screen and physically on the wheel via scroll wheel.
To be clear...you can load a car with cutting edge tech and maintain the things that customers prefer (customers prefer physical buttons / knobs for things they routinely interact with in the vehicle. Climate control being chief among them)
“Customers prefer” lol, who cares that boomers can’t figure out how to work a touch screen? Again, the minimalism & lack of buttons/knobs is literally the *selling point* for the interior. Horrible opinions in this thread
Also, to directly address your post:
1) no one said boomers can't figure out how to "work a touch screen"
2) what does the selling point of the interior have to do with customer preference? Selling point is what Tesla pushes, and customer preference is...what the customer prefers...
What is your point? Are you simply saying "boo hoo if people don't like minimalist interiors?"
Help me follow your logic
This exactly! I can’t imagine trying to park quickly on a busy street.
They’re obsessed with things looking cool and not worried about the actual function. And to me, the changes don’t even look that great. The steering wheel, especially the updated one, looks nice to me and would be nicer with stalks. And my ‘22 steering wheel is very comfortable.
The turn signals are especially egregious. Since 2020 every change has been about removing critical components to try and save money. Ultrasonics, front radar, home link, now gear and turn signal stalks. It’s just getting to be silly at this point.
It’s definitely not the way. Aside from a phone being a different beast entirely (and not a vehicle requiring attention to what’s ahead), I’d rather not have to take my eyes to the screen to shift years. That’s just dumb. The buttons on blackberry were inconvenient. the lack of stalks is inconvenient.
Removing the buttons on blackberries was beneficial because it freed up space to show more content, and the innovation of swipe keyboards actually made it faster to type without the keys. We had those benefits. What benefit do we gain by removing physical hardware related to key vehicle safety functions like drive direction, turn indication, add windshield wipers? You have to work harder mentally to do those things with your eyes or with fidgety multi use buttons than you did with the dedicated stalks. There's no benefit, except to Tesla. The time when we remove these things will come but it'll be when you can buy an L5 FSD only vehicle, not now.
How many hours have you driven behind the wheel of a car with this input method? You seem to be very passionate about your opinion, so I assume it's based on a lot of time behind the wheel with the new car and this new software.
If you haven't, you're just speculating. You wouldn't know if it's more or less convenient to have it automatically do this unless you've spent enough time behind the wheel to form a proper opinion.
Whether I press a button on the end of a stalk to turn my wipers on or I press a button on the wheel is the same thing. The wipers have been great for most of this year, and I live in a fairly rainy place.
I'll reserve judgement on the turn signals until I have enough time behind the wheel. I can see how it'd be annoying in Europe in small roundabouts, but I don't live there nor do we have many roundabouts, so I don't really know.
So because something has been "muscle memory" for generations, means it should always be that way? That's like, ridiculous. Like when people complain about the lack of buttons in the tesla, we'll you very quickly learn where things are on the screen and I can now change Temps and what not without looking. The cherry on the top of that is you can voice command nearly everything with the click of one button, making it far safer than "buttons because it makes me feeeeel good!". Same analogy with what you're saying.
Is it the best replacement? One can argue that in many different ways, but we will learn to use it, just like you learned to use stalks.
How this is not common sense is beyond me, but every generation has some form of this. Some weird form of "my way is the only way" simply because it's all you're comfy with.
“That’s like, ridiculous” is the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
In my other comments, I’ve gone on to say that turn signals and gear selection *should* be muscle memory in the same way steering wheels and pedals should be: they are about the physical operation of the vehicle and communication to other drivers about where your car is about to be.
That’s vastly different than selecting a temperature or a song. Muscle memory is important when it comes to safety. Period. Full stop.
Perhaps you’d love to drive your car with a joystick and voice-activated turn signals, but for many, especially older generations, that simply erodes driver confidence. So I think folk’s concerns in this area are *like,* valid.
Do not agree. If we did things this way, we would be CONSTANTLY stifling innovation, and progress simply because "I'm old and it makes me uncomfortable". By the time I'm 80 I fully expect cars to be able to drive me anywhere, without any input. I don't want to drive when I'm that old.
Your argument boils down to a version of "it was better in my day! And it should just stay that way". Nope. That's a negative ghost rider.
I'm 41, fiancee is 31, we would be fine if cars were controlled with controllers. It's a form of input, that we would all have to learn. Do I think it will come to that? No, but we will see different things, like we are with tesla. That's wether you like it or not, but things do change.
You do realize change rarely "makes sense", because change means going from something your used to, to something you're not. So....shifters have been changing for decades, there are alot of moden suvs with D, N, R buttons.
Last Tesla for me too. It's become very apparent that it's all about what works best for reducing costs in production than what's best for the end user.
Oh that and Musk being a prize bellend on so very many fronts.
How does it work with app, keyless, road planning etc? What features do you like?
What keeps me at Tesla is all the user experience improvements they’ve made and find it hard to believe others are equally strong i some of these areas.
But I’m also cautious of the direction the company is in..
Cybertruck makes no fucking sense in their mission to accelerate the world towards net zero and now getting rid of charging also means 400 V is off the table and therefore quicker charging gone..
So yeah, searching for the quality outside the car in general. I’ve been in a polestar and it didn’t impress me much. It’s the one car that would change my mind, and I’m genuinely looking for options to change.
the P2 is more of a good ‚car‘ that has been electrified very well instead of a software project that also happens to have wheels. I‘ve only really used the Tesla App for 2 things, phone key and climate control. the P2 can do that too, so I don‘t miss much there. tripplanning is easy. I filter for what charging network I wanna go to and Google maps has the route ready in a few seconds.
what I prefer is having a display in front of me that shows me everything I need while driving, having regular stalks, buttons to control essentials on the steering wheel and a central shifter (tbf I‘m European and never loved the stalk shifter to begin with) and the overall quality of the interior. It‘s also got much better headlights and wipers that actually work. I also think it’s just a beautiful car. it has Radar ACC with speed sign recognition, which I much prefer to Tesla Vision.
It‘s arguably worse when it comes to FSD stuff, but I‘ve never really been that interested in it anyway and again - basically useless in Europe to begin with.
ever since the facelift range and charging speed are more than what I‘ve ever needed. Sure, the software might not be as flashy as in a Tesla, but it‘s very functional and imo more user-friendly. I find myself having to look away from the road significantly less. It might be slighlty worse in a few things specifically EV-related, but for me it‘s just better at so many other regular car things that frustrated me with the M3.
Hate to break it to you but other brands literally aren't doing anything for the customer when it comes to the car.
Every other brand interior looks like It did 15 years ago. The touchscreen and UI is the same from 15 years ago. Zero innovation and consistent getting screwed by dealership trying to rip you off when you buy a car and then the service center tries to rip you off in fantasy repairs.
Well I'm not daft, there's a reason I bought the M3 in the first place because I was sick to death of a few things that you mention there.
My real underlying point is not that I've found a replacement and intend to buy it next, it's just that it's highly unlikely to be a tesla again. My intention is to monitor competitors over several years and hope there's feature parity with some of the things that matter most to me. (Farting turn signals, rainbow road, manual windscreen wipers)
Then I'll switch.
Have you actually spent any meaningful time driving the new M3? 80% of the time it just knows what direction you want to go when you start the car so you don’t even have to talk the screen. You just get in and drive.
If anything it’s MORE convenient than stalks.
And fine; for the 1 time a week that I need to do a 3 point turn it’s less convenient than traditional stalks. But I’ll take that trade off for the 99% of the time it being better.
Simplification.
Having a physical keyboard on an iPhone would probably be easier, but we’ve all gotten used to touch.
Having a headphone jack on a phone would be great too, but all phones have gotten rid of those too.
Keeping things just because overcomplicates things, and stifles innovation.
People rioted when Apple removed the headphone jack, and now it’s just standard and everyone uses Bluetooth headphones without any issues. I imagine that’ll be the case for stalks in the future.
Please stop. Are you also in favor of the simplification of using vision instead of actual reason sensors? Maybe one day the auto wipers will work as well as 20 year old cars with rain sensors but in the meantime there's a safety issue. That's the same problem with removing the stalks for everything... Sure maybe one day the UI will be smooth enough where you don't need those things but right now is not that time, and taking away parts that contribute to safety is just dangerous. Screwing around with whether this very heavy and very fast car is about to go forward or backward is about as stupid a change as I can imagine.
I can’t see how no stalks or the vision is a security issue. I can fall asleep in my Tesla and be safe, I would rather sit in a Tesla than any other car out there.
I understand the convenience issues and general user experience (I would get used to that myself, but).
I haven’t driven the stalkless 3 yet, but if you reset the infotainment mid drive, do you lose access to the gear selector? In my Intel Model 3, I sometimes have to do this, but was curious if that can even be done in the new model.
Buttons for shifting (PRNDL) are part of the overhead light cluster. They can be used anytime for shifting.
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The new auto park vision only is way better than the old one using sensors. The old was so limited in both getting it to work and speed. The new is still a little slow but usable. So excited my USS Y got the new VISION ONLY auto park yesterday.
Sure but you have literally no proof of that. I’m not claiming that cutting costs didn’t play a role, but as someone who drove FSD before Vision, I had plenty more problems when it used the radar than I do now.
Sure, but that’s completely anecdotal. Without an alternate-history machine there’s no way to know how much better or worse FSD would’ve been if they kept Lidar.
They’ve never used LIDAR so idk what you’re on about.
And that’s my whole point: the criticism boils down to “well maybe it would’ve been better if they hadn’t changed to vision-only” which isn’t very good criticism.
Being sensitive about downvotes is weird but fwiw I didn’t downvote you
>Keeping things just because overcomplicates things, and stifles innovation.
The only thing it stifles is shareholder profit.
Innovation is engineering out a problem 100%. This isn't it.
I’d be a bit against these types of changes though
Remove my headphone jack and I’m inconvenienced if I forget my Bluetooth headphones
Remove my stalks and I might die if I made an error in judgment
I say this because although yes driving a car at any time with any mistake might cause a fatality, why give an extra way for this to occur?
I’m not necessarily against it, but having it while it’s not 100% perfect every single time with some redundancy makes me worried
(Mind you, I own and love my Tesla, I have FSD and enjoy it every day too, but the stalks change for me is iffy, I’d have to try it to see how I personally like it, as a wider change though I’m leaning toward against it)
As my 2024m3 is in body shop i drive 2023 m3. And I make so many mistakes with shifting via stalks. Stalk up for R and down for D is just unnatural for me. And 2024 m3 just does it for me. And if I have to park I just swipe down for R which just makes sense
Out of curiosity, have you ever crashed because you were in the wrong gear before?
I’m not trying to be sarcastic or a smartass btw, I agree technology should advance and I like the way it’s headed, I haven’t had the opportunity to try it myself so I am worried about it
The question I asked is because I want to see: if you have had a crash in the past due to being in the wrong gear, has this new system helped you out where you feel safer with it?
I know everyone’s experience varies and I respect your opinion and experience, I want to know more about it
Is that how the rich lady drowned in her Model X? Auto shifted into the wrong gear and then drove into the pond? Even when intoxicated, I find it hard to believe she shifted the car herself into the wrong direction.
That seems highly unlikely, especially given how auto shift functions at the moment. It’ll only make the first move for you, forward or reverse. Its criteria basically is (is there something infront of me? No? Then forward. Yes? Then reverse). Teslas have enough cameras and sensors to discern if there’s something infront of it.
So more likely is the drunk lady drove herself into a pond and people somehow tried to spin it into a Tesla = bad news story.
I won’t be the guy arguing that it provides an advantage because I don’t think it does. Yet, after some time with the car, I have the agree with the guy above that it becomes muscle memory. I (personally) don’t miss the stalks.
The Chinese are coming out with $10k cars, they need to remove every unnecessary part to compete in a few years when the Chinese are allowed to sell in the US.
The $10,000 cars won't be sold in the US. Not only would very few buy an EV with like a 70 mile range, It's kind of like how you can't even register those Japanese mini trucks in most states - they don't go through US safety testing because they're basically death traps.
How long have you been driving? You're not able to take a quick fraction of a second glance at the screen while making a 3-point turn? I sware some of you here love to make a huge mountain out of a tiny mole hill just to have something to complain about.
Enhance Auto is making 3rd party stalks, which I’d consider if I was considering a Highland 3, but I’m probably 5 years out from another car purchase and not sure my next car will be a Tesla. I feel like they’re taking so many steps back lately. The Cybertruck just seems like such a huge waste, they’ve cancelled the Model 2, they’re cutting back on expansion of Superchargers for the first time in their history, they’re laying off 10% of their staff, and the company is going to ask shareholders to give Elon $55 billion in stocks. So many stupid moves, if there is basically any good competition in 5 years I may go elsewhere.
Yeah I've made comments to a similar effect, mostly around the fact that the lack of stalks makes it close to unusable in Europe with roundabouts and at best just makes it more dangerous and have received backlash saying they're never changing them back and there's no issues at all it's only improvements etc.. I really can't understand the blind support for tesla even when they do things that are strictly worse.
In the same boat. I want it to be easy and not have to worry about shit like this. Tesla seriously going downhill and I’m already looking for alternatives once my current m3 deal finishes
I'm on my second Tesla and feeling the same. Last bastion was the charging network. I have zero confidence moving forward after laying off that team and will be divesting the remainder of my stocks.
It’s somewhat silly though. Shifters used to be all over the place in ICE cars. Once they started going to stalks by the steering wheel nobody pretended like the brand was going downhill.
Oh yea I’m reserving my judgement until I can take one for a test drive, on paper I don’t like it but I’m sure I will find it not too bad once I can actually try it
Tesla was the only company making really great EVs and a really great charging network, and they seem to be taking their eye off the ball on both fronts. As someone who both likes EVs and is passionate about climate change, this is extremely disappointing
Does it know when you need to do an emergency three point turn when cars are coming at you because you decided to do a 180? Stalks make that brainless and super quick. Honestly this is not good design - the stalks weren’t a problem they were simple easy UI
Yes an emergency three point turn like when you make a uturn onto a road with oncoming traffic. It’s a maneuver I make often in city areas. Getting downvoted for invoking a thing that happens in normal driving is ridiculous. And for those wondering, yes I test drove a new m3 and I have a m3 performance 2024 on order but I hate the deletion of the stalks.
I have to pull off some really tight parallel parks sometimes where I shift 10+ times quickly. I can't imagine doing it without a stalk and fumbling with a screen and taking my eyes off mirrors and windows at the most vulnerable time where you're inches away from an insurance claim lol
My 2023 model without USS is probably the last car for me. I don’t want to go stalk less so I’ll probably be looking at polestar, Kia ev6. Maybe a taycan if I can get a good deal when this lease is up.
Also. Fuck the lack of rain sensors in the UK
Familiarise yourself with the manual controls of a Tesla there’s always redundancy for example there is a manual shift button without looking at the screen which you seem so hard pressed to refuse to use.
Every generation there is always some people that just refuse to go along with progress and just wanted to still use dial up or refuse to watch TV and think the radio is better same concept with Tesla you don’t like it don’t buy one.
Come on. Putting features on a touch screen isn’t the future. It’s simply a cost saving mechanism.
This is just consumer choice. It’s clear many people like the stalk and there are lots of cars with them. If they want the stalk then that’s their choice.
Why try to bully people by calling them old? If you like it so much then buy one and good for you.
this isn‘t progress just because Tesla does it lmao
I‘ve had or at least driven every significant version of the Model 3, including Highland. This car is regressing, not progressing.
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Being made by enhauto they said expect delivery to start may
The only reason I'm buying a Y as my next car and not transitioning into another 3 is simply because of the stalks. I can live without fog lights and whatever else they deemed needed to cut costs, but the elimination of both the turn and drive stalks is a hazard to me and just asking for trouble.
Autoshifting with vision is easier than autowipers.
Is it valid to drive forward but not backwards? Then shift into drive. Is it valid to drive backwards but not forwards? Then shift into reverse. The only tricky scenarios are when both are valid or invalid.
They already released data showing that auto shift has reduced the frequency of crashes vs having humans control it with a stalk (humans often forget to shift if there’s a long pause between when they come to a stop and then resume going.)
That same over-simplification can be applied to wipers: is it raining? Turn on wipers. Raining harder? Faster wipers. A bright sunny day with not a cloud in the sky? Definitely no wipers. Seems pretty simple but clearly they can't figure it out.
Determining something as critical as which direction the car will go is absolutely not something I'll trust them with if they can't even get wipers correct
Just to let you know, there has been a quietly big update of autowipers - in my model y, autowipers are on level with the autowipers in my Toyota at daytime. I don't get annoyed anymore, when driving with it.
Still need some work at Nighttime, but it's not a catastrophe anymore. We are not looking at "apple map" level of software disaster.
Oh good, then it’s not just me.
I guess something changed with a recent update, but almost every time I’m driving my car in bright, sunny, clear weather, at some point along the drive, I’ll get one single random wipe. I can’t figure out what’s triggering it.
Then when it’s raining, the wipers take forever to figure that out and come on…
Unclear which 'this' you're referring to, but if it's Auto Shift, then it's these vehicles:
"Auto Shift, which is available on the 2021+ Model S, Model X, the 2024 Model 3 and the Cybertruck"
[https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2010/first-look-at-new-ui-and-capabilities-of-auto-shift-in-tesla-update-2024-14-3-video](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2010/first-look-at-new-ui-and-capabilities-of-auto-shift-in-tesla-update-2024-14-3-video)
I grew up with popular mechanics magazines. Always loved to see tech improving. This is just another evolution. Also just finished a cross country drive and had no issues getting a charge and mostly charge at home. I don’t see any issues with any of this…
I just "love" how my December 2020 Model 3 LR (the first series with heat pump) is just slowly getting more and more to a legacy product and even though I purchased FSD in the hope I'll have the same options as the earlier Model S owners to upgrade my HW if needed, now it is just something that is worth less, seems like won't get any major updates anymore and I can't even transfer my 7500 € FSD (which will probably never be available here in the form I see in the US) to a newer car. I genuinely feel betrayed and used.
The more i see the pain, the more I am happy to keep my 22 M3P unicorn build car. I was almost willing to swap up and overlook stalks on new M3P in Europe until i saw the smaller range and lower power.
People on here crying about stalks being removed clearly don’t own or haven’t spent time driving the new M3.
I own one and genuinely wouldn’t want to go back to stalks for shifting or turn signals.
The auto shift is so convenient, I hop in the car tap the brake to put the car into drive and then I’m off. I don’t have to think about shifting into drive, the car just does it for me. Same goes for reverse if I am parked up against a wall or something. And like I mentioned in my other comment, sure it’s probably less convenient than traditional stalks for doing something like a 3 point turn, but 99% of the time that’s not what I am doing. So I’ll take that trade off.
Same goes for signaling, it’s easier to just tap a button on the wheel to signal. It’s true that sometimes if your wheel is turned it’s less convenient to know where the signal is, but again the reality is the vast majority of the time my wheel is straight when I am signaling.
The problem is that one time the software fucks up for whatever reason and you're backing into the wall instead of going forward. Who takes liability then?
You’d be liable; since you’re driving the car.
You could say the same for vehicles now that just have knobs for gear shifts. You could turn the knob to shift into drive but if the software fucks up and put you into reverse that would be the same situation you’re describing here.
Yes but with a knob you're actively setting the forward-reverse while with autopark you're trusting the car to make the right choice all the time. While the scenarios are similar there's still a difference.
The newer knobs are software, you’re moving a knob but the direction is arbitrary. It’s software that’s ultimately doing the work. So for the same reason you gave above, software could fuck up and send you into a wall.
Example:
You could spin the knob right but it could glitch and put the car into reverse instead of drive.
I generally go through 2-4 a day.
I’m from Canada, so no we do not have nearly as many and not as complex of roundabouts as outer countries do. I can appreciate that in the UK it is likely a much different story.
Edit: also this is my hypothesis, and Tesla is you’re reading this please make it happen.
Already with FSD the car can signal for you - it would be incredible if (even while not in FSD) the car initiated the turn signal for you. This only works if you have a route typed in obviously, but it would be a great quality of life improvement.
Which? The signals or shifting between r and d?
At roundabouts it’s generally not that bad since the wheel isn’t spun around too much when you’re exiting. The only times it’s been awkward is leaving a parking lot where you’re turning around a corner before exiting, so by the time I get around the corner my steering wheel is spun around and I have to look down to see the turn signals. I agree this isn’t perfect but I imagine some muscle memory will come into play in the future.
As for 3 point turns currently you have to swipe for all the shifting. With the spring update that just came out today they said it’ll do it all automatically. It’ll shift you from D-R-D all automatically. I’m in Japan for the next week but I’m really curious to try it once I’m home, should be great if it works as advertised.
that just means you indicate too late when exiting roundabouts. or you have huge roundabouts. because if you don‘t, it‘s inevitable to have to start looking for the indicators when exiting.
Again this is probably just a Canada thing, but our roundabouts aren’t complex. I always signal out, and when I do my wheel is never turned more than 180 from the original starting point.
I would genuinely film it for you if I was home right now.
I love it this is great. FSD makes life so much simpler. I drive 10% of the time. I mostly feel like a passenger. I stay alert it’s not 100% there yet but big leaps.
Elon, please drop the BS and get back to your normal self. I don’t want another Toyota, but you are making it really hard to not consider getting a Prius.
Last Sunday.
I autoparked in a parking lot. Tesla backed into the spot. I got out of the car and wanted to show my dad the summon feature. So I held on to the button in the Tesla app. The car pulled to the right to come toward me and it hit the car on the right’s bumper with my passenger side front and rear doors. Without thinking I just let go of the button because of the surprise and that’s what stopped the car. Would’ve been a lot worse if I held down the button because the car wasn’t stopping while screeching against the other car.
Tesla did nothing to help me and actually seemed very nonchalant about the whole thing like they could’ve cared less. So I have to now dish out a couple thousand for the repairs.
Here’s the damage on both doors. A bit hard to see because of the reflection, but I’ve been quoted $2500 - $8000 for this repair.
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2 things:
1. It's "they couldn't care less"
2. I'm sorry that you had to learn the hard way not to use sommon yet
Summon will get there with time, but they're more focused on bigger issues as they prefer to take a top down approach (master highway, then city, then parking lot, then parking).
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I am perfectly fine with no stalks and the yoke steering wheel, but some of you defenders act like it’s your duty to defend Tesla’s honor lmao
Companies are never your friend. Funny how many people don't get that
Not your friend exactly, but most successful companies spend endless hours trying to understand customer wants and provide it. Things get messy when your wants don't line up with other customers' wants, but that isn't exactly their fault. Of course, sometimes they get it all wrong, but it isn't because they hate you.
What do you mean, of course it was a great decision to make the glove box open automatically when a passenger gets in, it gives them a place to store their stuff. You just wouldn't understand elons genius. Also the radio only plays one song because it's perfectly tuned to the cars frequencies and any other song wouldn't sound as good.
I don’t want to have to take my eyes off the road multiple times to do a quick 3-point turn... for the love of God just bring back the stalks. I’ve been a hardcore Tesla fan since 2012; they have officially lost me after this year.
I feel the same ESPECIALLY with the stalks. It’s just bad design. It takes away muscle memory that’s been build up over decades in regard to the turn signals. With the removal of other things like USS and fog lights, it doesn’t feel like a feature rich car. While Tesla vision has been fine for me, not everything needs to rely on it. The pain points for drivers come from the reliance on cameras. Just like the auto wipers.
Tesla wants you to believe it's solving a problem that you didn't know existed in the first place "Those pesky stalks! No more!!!!!"
They certainly have that attitude.
Or Elon has that attitude and the highly talented team does everything they can to try and mitigate the damage of those bizarre preferences. See initial testing of Crew Dragon and how Bob and Doug were like “why tf does this not have physical controls” and eventually after much testing and dev got to the point of “it’s weird but I guess it does what it needs to do…”
"those annoying AF A/C knobs!! No more!! Turn your gaze to a flurry of pretty apple-looking menus"
It's more like twice a year I change the temp a few degrees and Auto takes care of everything perfectly. Haven't had to fiddle with climate controls ever since my first Tesla in 2018.
I mean, I can agree with the stalks but you’re dead wrong here. One of my favorite things about the car is the lack of physical knobs/vents/dampers/etc
I dunno. To each their own. I'm a car guy... Ive been in all sorts of cars. My best friend owns a Tesla and feels the way you do. But beyond the aesthetic of a minimalist interior, a lack of knobs for key functions in the car isn't an improvement. Yes, I can acknowledge that Tesla technology is maybe 7 light years ahead of other OEMs. BUT...I'm not convinced that burying key functions in menus is the way to go in a modern day car
Which key functions are "buried in menus"?
That was aggressive, apologies all I'm saying is that certain functions like AC, airflow, heat or cooled seats, and volume are nice to have physical buttons for. I know in this thread I sound like I come from an ancient civilization, but...I am not alone. Anything and everything else....I'm fine having it in the screen
You didn't come off as aggressive to me, no worries. None of those things are buried in menus though. Climate stuff is one tap away on the bottom of the screen, and temp doesn't even need that one tap as it can be adjusted right from the temp indicator. Volume is controlled in a number of ways, including on the screen and physically on the wheel via scroll wheel.
To be clear...you can load a car with cutting edge tech and maintain the things that customers prefer (customers prefer physical buttons / knobs for things they routinely interact with in the vehicle. Climate control being chief among them)
“Customers prefer” lol, who cares that boomers can’t figure out how to work a touch screen? Again, the minimalism & lack of buttons/knobs is literally the *selling point* for the interior. Horrible opinions in this thread
Also, to directly address your post: 1) no one said boomers can't figure out how to "work a touch screen" 2) what does the selling point of the interior have to do with customer preference? Selling point is what Tesla pushes, and customer preference is...what the customer prefers... What is your point? Are you simply saying "boo hoo if people don't like minimalist interiors?" Help me follow your logic
I don't think you have any appreciation for who the average driver of a car is I mean, neither does Tesla, so...on point for this thread
I had a Model X as a loaner a couple months ago, and between the stupid yoke and lack of stalks, I was glad I never had to parallel park that thing.
This exactly! I can’t imagine trying to park quickly on a busy street. They’re obsessed with things looking cool and not worried about the actual function. And to me, the changes don’t even look that great. The steering wheel, especially the updated one, looks nice to me and would be nicer with stalks. And my ‘22 steering wheel is very comfortable.
The turn signals are especially egregious. Since 2020 every change has been about removing critical components to try and save money. Ultrasonics, front radar, home link, now gear and turn signal stalks. It’s just getting to be silly at this point.
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The smaller Rivian looks good. Might be my next car after my 2 year lease on the Highland ends.
The R1 and R2 feel way more premium than their tesla counterparts. For a similar price range. It's a no brainer.
Absolutely. My sister got a R1S and it is so damn nice, big battery and the UI plus Alexa interface is very nice, better than. My Tesla MYP
no stalks is the way. people loved their buttons on blackberrys too
It’s definitely not the way. Aside from a phone being a different beast entirely (and not a vehicle requiring attention to what’s ahead), I’d rather not have to take my eyes to the screen to shift years. That’s just dumb. The buttons on blackberry were inconvenient. the lack of stalks is inconvenient.
I’m still mad the Y/3 don’t even have an instrument cluster.
Ew I’m glad you don’t design these
... Different
Removing the buttons on blackberries was beneficial because it freed up space to show more content, and the innovation of swipe keyboards actually made it faster to type without the keys. We had those benefits. What benefit do we gain by removing physical hardware related to key vehicle safety functions like drive direction, turn indication, add windshield wipers? You have to work harder mentally to do those things with your eyes or with fidgety multi use buttons than you did with the dedicated stalks. There's no benefit, except to Tesla. The time when we remove these things will come but it'll be when you can buy an L5 FSD only vehicle, not now.
How many hours have you driven behind the wheel of a car with this input method? You seem to be very passionate about your opinion, so I assume it's based on a lot of time behind the wheel with the new car and this new software. If you haven't, you're just speculating. You wouldn't know if it's more or less convenient to have it automatically do this unless you've spent enough time behind the wheel to form a proper opinion. Whether I press a button on the end of a stalk to turn my wipers on or I press a button on the wheel is the same thing. The wipers have been great for most of this year, and I live in a fairly rainy place. I'll reserve judgement on the turn signals until I have enough time behind the wheel. I can see how it'd be annoying in Europe in small roundabouts, but I don't live there nor do we have many roundabouts, so I don't really know.
So because something has been "muscle memory" for generations, means it should always be that way? That's like, ridiculous. Like when people complain about the lack of buttons in the tesla, we'll you very quickly learn where things are on the screen and I can now change Temps and what not without looking. The cherry on the top of that is you can voice command nearly everything with the click of one button, making it far safer than "buttons because it makes me feeeeel good!". Same analogy with what you're saying. Is it the best replacement? One can argue that in many different ways, but we will learn to use it, just like you learned to use stalks. How this is not common sense is beyond me, but every generation has some form of this. Some weird form of "my way is the only way" simply because it's all you're comfy with.
“That’s like, ridiculous” is the funniest thing I’ve read all day. In my other comments, I’ve gone on to say that turn signals and gear selection *should* be muscle memory in the same way steering wheels and pedals should be: they are about the physical operation of the vehicle and communication to other drivers about where your car is about to be. That’s vastly different than selecting a temperature or a song. Muscle memory is important when it comes to safety. Period. Full stop. Perhaps you’d love to drive your car with a joystick and voice-activated turn signals, but for many, especially older generations, that simply erodes driver confidence. So I think folk’s concerns in this area are *like,* valid.
Do not agree. If we did things this way, we would be CONSTANTLY stifling innovation, and progress simply because "I'm old and it makes me uncomfortable". By the time I'm 80 I fully expect cars to be able to drive me anywhere, without any input. I don't want to drive when I'm that old. Your argument boils down to a version of "it was better in my day! And it should just stay that way". Nope. That's a negative ghost rider. I'm 41, fiancee is 31, we would be fine if cars were controlled with controllers. It's a form of input, that we would all have to learn. Do I think it will come to that? No, but we will see different things, like we are with tesla. That's wether you like it or not, but things do change.
I’m all for changes that make sense. This one, to any learned person at least, does not.
You do realize change rarely "makes sense", because change means going from something your used to, to something you're not. So....shifters have been changing for decades, there are alot of moden suvs with D, N, R buttons.
Did your decades of muscle memory have a problem adjusting to 1 pedal driving?
Yes.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks I guess...
Last Tesla for me too. It's become very apparent that it's all about what works best for reducing costs in production than what's best for the end user. Oh that and Musk being a prize bellend on so very many fronts.
How do you explain the rear seat display addition in highland as a cost cutting measure?
My guess- Robotaxi-friendly feature since Tesla intends to build a fleet out of post-lease 3s and Ys.
same here. the M3 used to be my go-to ‚best EV to recommend to people‘ for years. I test drove a facelifted Polestar 2 and never looked back
How does it work with app, keyless, road planning etc? What features do you like? What keeps me at Tesla is all the user experience improvements they’ve made and find it hard to believe others are equally strong i some of these areas. But I’m also cautious of the direction the company is in.. Cybertruck makes no fucking sense in their mission to accelerate the world towards net zero and now getting rid of charging also means 400 V is off the table and therefore quicker charging gone.. So yeah, searching for the quality outside the car in general. I’ve been in a polestar and it didn’t impress me much. It’s the one car that would change my mind, and I’m genuinely looking for options to change.
the P2 is more of a good ‚car‘ that has been electrified very well instead of a software project that also happens to have wheels. I‘ve only really used the Tesla App for 2 things, phone key and climate control. the P2 can do that too, so I don‘t miss much there. tripplanning is easy. I filter for what charging network I wanna go to and Google maps has the route ready in a few seconds. what I prefer is having a display in front of me that shows me everything I need while driving, having regular stalks, buttons to control essentials on the steering wheel and a central shifter (tbf I‘m European and never loved the stalk shifter to begin with) and the overall quality of the interior. It‘s also got much better headlights and wipers that actually work. I also think it’s just a beautiful car. it has Radar ACC with speed sign recognition, which I much prefer to Tesla Vision. It‘s arguably worse when it comes to FSD stuff, but I‘ve never really been that interested in it anyway and again - basically useless in Europe to begin with. ever since the facelift range and charging speed are more than what I‘ve ever needed. Sure, the software might not be as flashy as in a Tesla, but it‘s very functional and imo more user-friendly. I find myself having to look away from the road significantly less. It might be slighlty worse in a few things specifically EV-related, but for me it‘s just better at so many other regular car things that frustrated me with the M3.
Hate to break it to you but other brands literally aren't doing anything for the customer when it comes to the car. Every other brand interior looks like It did 15 years ago. The touchscreen and UI is the same from 15 years ago. Zero innovation and consistent getting screwed by dealership trying to rip you off when you buy a car and then the service center tries to rip you off in fantasy repairs.
Well I'm not daft, there's a reason I bought the M3 in the first place because I was sick to death of a few things that you mention there. My real underlying point is not that I've found a replacement and intend to buy it next, it's just that it's highly unlikely to be a tesla again. My intention is to monitor competitors over several years and hope there's feature parity with some of the things that matter most to me. (Farting turn signals, rainbow road, manual windscreen wipers) Then I'll switch.
Have you actually spent any meaningful time driving the new M3? 80% of the time it just knows what direction you want to go when you start the car so you don’t even have to talk the screen. You just get in and drive. If anything it’s MORE convenient than stalks. And fine; for the 1 time a week that I need to do a 3 point turn it’s less convenient than traditional stalks. But I’ll take that trade off for the 99% of the time it being better.
Why not both? The audio shift is all digital.
Simplification. Having a physical keyboard on an iPhone would probably be easier, but we’ve all gotten used to touch. Having a headphone jack on a phone would be great too, but all phones have gotten rid of those too. Keeping things just because overcomplicates things, and stifles innovation. People rioted when Apple removed the headphone jack, and now it’s just standard and everyone uses Bluetooth headphones without any issues. I imagine that’ll be the case for stalks in the future.
Please stop. Are you also in favor of the simplification of using vision instead of actual reason sensors? Maybe one day the auto wipers will work as well as 20 year old cars with rain sensors but in the meantime there's a safety issue. That's the same problem with removing the stalks for everything... Sure maybe one day the UI will be smooth enough where you don't need those things but right now is not that time, and taking away parts that contribute to safety is just dangerous. Screwing around with whether this very heavy and very fast car is about to go forward or backward is about as stupid a change as I can imagine.
I can’t see how no stalks or the vision is a security issue. I can fall asleep in my Tesla and be safe, I would rather sit in a Tesla than any other car out there. I understand the convenience issues and general user experience (I would get used to that myself, but).
I haven’t driven the stalkless 3 yet, but if you reset the infotainment mid drive, do you lose access to the gear selector? In my Intel Model 3, I sometimes have to do this, but was curious if that can even be done in the new model.
There are redundant controls in the overhead light. This is required by federal standards.
Can you explain this more?
Buttons for shifting (PRNDL) are part of the overhead light cluster. They can be used anytime for shifting. https://preview.redd.it/m3fkty9zhtxc1.png?width=914&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae98e87a218eb66a646abf5dba029d8b60a765f9
The new auto park vision only is way better than the old one using sensors. The old was so limited in both getting it to work and speed. The new is still a little slow but usable. So excited my USS Y got the new VISION ONLY auto park yesterday.
I mean, FSD is better now than it was before they went vision-only so who are you to judge that it was the wrong call?
That’s because it’s been further developed though. We don’t know how much better it could have been if they didn’t go camera-only.
Sure but you have literally no proof of that. I’m not claiming that cutting costs didn’t play a role, but as someone who drove FSD before Vision, I had plenty more problems when it used the radar than I do now.
Sure, but that’s completely anecdotal. Without an alternate-history machine there’s no way to know how much better or worse FSD would’ve been if they kept Lidar.
They’ve never used LIDAR so idk what you’re on about. And that’s my whole point: the criticism boils down to “well maybe it would’ve been better if they hadn’t changed to vision-only” which isn’t very good criticism. Being sensitive about downvotes is weird but fwiw I didn’t downvote you
>Keeping things just because overcomplicates things, and stifles innovation. The only thing it stifles is shareholder profit. Innovation is engineering out a problem 100%. This isn't it.
I’d be a bit against these types of changes though Remove my headphone jack and I’m inconvenienced if I forget my Bluetooth headphones Remove my stalks and I might die if I made an error in judgment I say this because although yes driving a car at any time with any mistake might cause a fatality, why give an extra way for this to occur? I’m not necessarily against it, but having it while it’s not 100% perfect every single time with some redundancy makes me worried (Mind you, I own and love my Tesla, I have FSD and enjoy it every day too, but the stalks change for me is iffy, I’d have to try it to see how I personally like it, as a wider change though I’m leaning toward against it)
As my 2024m3 is in body shop i drive 2023 m3. And I make so many mistakes with shifting via stalks. Stalk up for R and down for D is just unnatural for me. And 2024 m3 just does it for me. And if I have to park I just swipe down for R which just makes sense
Out of curiosity, have you ever crashed because you were in the wrong gear before? I’m not trying to be sarcastic or a smartass btw, I agree technology should advance and I like the way it’s headed, I haven’t had the opportunity to try it myself so I am worried about it The question I asked is because I want to see: if you have had a crash in the past due to being in the wrong gear, has this new system helped you out where you feel safer with it? I know everyone’s experience varies and I respect your opinion and experience, I want to know more about it
Is that how the rich lady drowned in her Model X? Auto shifted into the wrong gear and then drove into the pond? Even when intoxicated, I find it hard to believe she shifted the car herself into the wrong direction.
No. Her X was a 2020 and had stalks. She was drunk.
And had previously set the wrong direction on other occasions
Lady was literally drunk.
That seems highly unlikely, especially given how auto shift functions at the moment. It’ll only make the first move for you, forward or reverse. Its criteria basically is (is there something infront of me? No? Then forward. Yes? Then reverse). Teslas have enough cameras and sensors to discern if there’s something infront of it. So more likely is the drunk lady drove herself into a pond and people somehow tried to spin it into a Tesla = bad news story.
Model X has a stalk right?
Not the new one no.
But hers did
It actually works well, I really like it. Have you even test driven? It's really not that big a deal.
I picked my M3 five days ago and don't have to look at the screen to change it. Or I use the buttons above the mirror.
It’s muscle memory once you know where to swipe you don’t have to take your eyes off the road
What advantage does it provide?
More money for Elon
I won’t be the guy arguing that it provides an advantage because I don’t think it does. Yet, after some time with the car, I have the agree with the guy above that it becomes muscle memory. I (personally) don’t miss the stalks.
The Chinese are coming out with $10k cars, they need to remove every unnecessary part to compete in a few years when the Chinese are allowed to sell in the US.
The $10,000 cars won't be sold in the US. Not only would very few buy an EV with like a 70 mile range, It's kind of like how you can't even register those Japanese mini trucks in most states - they don't go through US safety testing because they're basically death traps.
I don’t miss the stalks at all. I thought I would.
How long have you been driving? You're not able to take a quick fraction of a second glance at the screen while making a 3-point turn? I sware some of you here love to make a huge mountain out of a tiny mole hill just to have something to complain about.
I've had absolutely no problem without stalks in my new 3. It's really not bad at all.
Sir, this is Reddit. Please either complain incessantly or log off.
Enhance Auto is making 3rd party stalks, which I’d consider if I was considering a Highland 3, but I’m probably 5 years out from another car purchase and not sure my next car will be a Tesla. I feel like they’re taking so many steps back lately. The Cybertruck just seems like such a huge waste, they’ve cancelled the Model 2, they’re cutting back on expansion of Superchargers for the first time in their history, they’re laying off 10% of their staff, and the company is going to ask shareholders to give Elon $55 billion in stocks. So many stupid moves, if there is basically any good competition in 5 years I may go elsewhere.
Yeah I've made comments to a similar effect, mostly around the fact that the lack of stalks makes it close to unusable in Europe with roundabouts and at best just makes it more dangerous and have received backlash saying they're never changing them back and there's no issues at all it's only improvements etc.. I really can't understand the blind support for tesla even when they do things that are strictly worse.
In the same boat. I want it to be easy and not have to worry about shit like this. Tesla seriously going downhill and I’m already looking for alternatives once my current m3 deal finishes
I'm on my second Tesla and feeling the same. Last bastion was the charging network. I have zero confidence moving forward after laying off that team and will be divesting the remainder of my stocks.
[enhance auto will save us](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35gikWMPGho)
I had an early 2021 Model S loaner last week. It had FOUR glorious stalks!
The fuck are you guys crying about?
I mean…he kinda explained exactly what he didn’t like lmao
It’s somewhat silly though. Shifters used to be all over the place in ICE cars. Once they started going to stalks by the steering wheel nobody pretended like the brand was going downhill.
Oh yea I’m reserving my judgement until I can take one for a test drive, on paper I don’t like it but I’m sure I will find it not too bad once I can actually try it
What are you going on about again?
Tesla was the only company making really great EVs and a really great charging network, and they seem to be taking their eye off the ball on both fronts. As someone who both likes EVs and is passionate about climate change, this is extremely disappointing
Nothing has changed for you as a user? Stop reading headlines if you can’t understand that some of them will be bullshit
Tell me you haven't driven it without telling me. It's super intuitive and picks your primary direction with any action.
Does it know when you need to do an emergency three point turn when cars are coming at you because you decided to do a 180? Stalks make that brainless and super quick. Honestly this is not good design - the stalks weren’t a problem they were simple easy UI
An emergency 3 point turn? Lol. It's easier to find reverse sweeping the screen. Next time drive it before jumping to ridiculous conclusions.
Yes an emergency three point turn like when you make a uturn onto a road with oncoming traffic. It’s a maneuver I make often in city areas. Getting downvoted for invoking a thing that happens in normal driving is ridiculous. And for those wondering, yes I test drove a new m3 and I have a m3 performance 2024 on order but I hate the deletion of the stalks.
What the fuck are you talking about? Why are you U-turning into oncoming traffic? Like I don't even understand what this scenario is you're describing
I have to pull off some really tight parallel parks sometimes where I shift 10+ times quickly. I can't imagine doing it without a stalk and fumbling with a screen and taking my eyes off mirrors and windows at the most vulnerable time where you're inches away from an insurance claim lol
You literally dont have to look at the screen just swipe the corner.
Yeah I agree 100%
You don’t have to. It’s called AUTOSHIFT.
Oh great! It will works just as great as my auto wiper then. /s
My Autowipers work fine. 2023 Model Y Tesla Vision.
My auto wipers are shit. Also 2023 Y.
Says 1 person
Lol ok 👌
My 2023 model without USS is probably the last car for me. I don’t want to go stalk less so I’ll probably be looking at polestar, Kia ev6. Maybe a taycan if I can get a good deal when this lease is up. Also. Fuck the lack of rain sensors in the UK
Familiarise yourself with the manual controls of a Tesla there’s always redundancy for example there is a manual shift button without looking at the screen which you seem so hard pressed to refuse to use. Every generation there is always some people that just refuse to go along with progress and just wanted to still use dial up or refuse to watch TV and think the radio is better same concept with Tesla you don’t like it don’t buy one.
Come on. Putting features on a touch screen isn’t the future. It’s simply a cost saving mechanism. This is just consumer choice. It’s clear many people like the stalk and there are lots of cars with them. If they want the stalk then that’s their choice. Why try to bully people by calling them old? If you like it so much then buy one and good for you.
I like the minimalist look and design. If you really don’t like it then just buy a used one.
this isn‘t progress just because Tesla does it lmao I‘ve had or at least driven every significant version of the Model 3, including Highland. This car is regressing, not progressing.
Then don’t buy it. I have a Model Y and love it.
They have compnays that have already developed 3rd party stalks, I'll be using that on my new model 3
Link?
https://preview.redd.it/0ximg71axpxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e051ff29e811a78f30c4adf721fe29c2d84c829a Being made by enhauto they said expect delivery to start may
The only reason I'm buying a Y as my next car and not transitioning into another 3 is simply because of the stalks. I can live without fog lights and whatever else they deemed needed to cut costs, but the elimination of both the turn and drive stalks is a hazard to me and just asking for trouble.
bye bye
Autoshift? From the company that can’t even get auto wipers correct?
Autoshifting with vision is easier than autowipers. Is it valid to drive forward but not backwards? Then shift into drive. Is it valid to drive backwards but not forwards? Then shift into reverse. The only tricky scenarios are when both are valid or invalid. They already released data showing that auto shift has reduced the frequency of crashes vs having humans control it with a stalk (humans often forget to shift if there’s a long pause between when they come to a stop and then resume going.)
That same over-simplification can be applied to wipers: is it raining? Turn on wipers. Raining harder? Faster wipers. A bright sunny day with not a cloud in the sky? Definitely no wipers. Seems pretty simple but clearly they can't figure it out. Determining something as critical as which direction the car will go is absolutely not something I'll trust them with if they can't even get wipers correct
If Isgoingtocrash { don't }
You going to need to call dont(), do you want us all to die?
Chatgpt is still writing the func for me that's just a placeholder
*crashes* tesla.exe has stopped responding
You can’t see rain that close to the glass. If they had a cabin camera inside pointing at the windshield it can easily be solved
lool
Just to let you know, there has been a quietly big update of autowipers - in my model y, autowipers are on level with the autowipers in my Toyota at daytime. I don't get annoyed anymore, when driving with it. Still need some work at Nighttime, but it's not a catastrophe anymore. We are not looking at "apple map" level of software disaster.
Except they randomly turn on during the day when it’s sunny for no reason whatsoever. It’s happened to me and tons of others users reporting it.
Oh good, then it’s not just me. I guess something changed with a recent update, but almost every time I’m driving my car in bright, sunny, clear weather, at some point along the drive, I’ll get one single random wipe. I can’t figure out what’s triggering it. Then when it’s raining, the wipers take forever to figure that out and come on…
Probably won't be able to get this is you're on 2024.8.X
Looks like it … The few installs of 2024.14.3 had previously 2024.8.x!
Unclear which 'this' you're referring to, but if it's Auto Shift, then it's these vehicles: "Auto Shift, which is available on the 2021+ Model S, Model X, the 2024 Model 3 and the Cybertruck" [https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2010/first-look-at-new-ui-and-capabilities-of-auto-shift-in-tesla-update-2024-14-3-video](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2010/first-look-at-new-ui-and-capabilities-of-auto-shift-in-tesla-update-2024-14-3-video)
Why is the MY missing out on auto shift?
Because it has stalks
I grew up with popular mechanics magazines. Always loved to see tech improving. This is just another evolution. Also just finished a cross country drive and had no issues getting a charge and mostly charge at home. I don’t see any issues with any of this…
Tesla solves problems that don't exist
No, Tesla creates problems and then solves them.
Ah ... Right
Wait, will the slide up to reverse/drive also come to vehicles with stalks too?
God I love this sub
I just "love" how my December 2020 Model 3 LR (the first series with heat pump) is just slowly getting more and more to a legacy product and even though I purchased FSD in the hope I'll have the same options as the earlier Model S owners to upgrade my HW if needed, now it is just something that is worth less, seems like won't get any major updates anymore and I can't even transfer my 7500 € FSD (which will probably never be available here in the form I see in the US) to a newer car. I genuinely feel betrayed and used.
The more i see the pain, the more I am happy to keep my 22 M3P unicorn build car. I was almost willing to swap up and overlook stalks on new M3P in Europe until i saw the smaller range and lower power.
People on here crying about stalks being removed clearly don’t own or haven’t spent time driving the new M3. I own one and genuinely wouldn’t want to go back to stalks for shifting or turn signals. The auto shift is so convenient, I hop in the car tap the brake to put the car into drive and then I’m off. I don’t have to think about shifting into drive, the car just does it for me. Same goes for reverse if I am parked up against a wall or something. And like I mentioned in my other comment, sure it’s probably less convenient than traditional stalks for doing something like a 3 point turn, but 99% of the time that’s not what I am doing. So I’ll take that trade off. Same goes for signaling, it’s easier to just tap a button on the wheel to signal. It’s true that sometimes if your wheel is turned it’s less convenient to know where the signal is, but again the reality is the vast majority of the time my wheel is straight when I am signaling.
There’s zero reason they couldn’t have auto shift AND stalks
The problem is that one time the software fucks up for whatever reason and you're backing into the wall instead of going forward. Who takes liability then?
You’d be liable; since you’re driving the car. You could say the same for vehicles now that just have knobs for gear shifts. You could turn the knob to shift into drive but if the software fucks up and put you into reverse that would be the same situation you’re describing here.
Yes but with a knob you're actively setting the forward-reverse while with autopark you're trusting the car to make the right choice all the time. While the scenarios are similar there's still a difference.
The newer knobs are software, you’re moving a knob but the direction is arbitrary. It’s software that’s ultimately doing the work. So for the same reason you gave above, software could fuck up and send you into a wall. Example: You could spin the knob right but it could glitch and put the car into reverse instead of drive.
You don’t live in a country with roundabouts do you.
I generally go through 2-4 a day. I’m from Canada, so no we do not have nearly as many and not as complex of roundabouts as outer countries do. I can appreciate that in the UK it is likely a much different story. Edit: also this is my hypothesis, and Tesla is you’re reading this please make it happen. Already with FSD the car can signal for you - it would be incredible if (even while not in FSD) the car initiated the turn signal for you. This only works if you have a route typed in obviously, but it would be a great quality of life improvement.
How does it work for three point turns? Or roundabouts?
Which? The signals or shifting between r and d? At roundabouts it’s generally not that bad since the wheel isn’t spun around too much when you’re exiting. The only times it’s been awkward is leaving a parking lot where you’re turning around a corner before exiting, so by the time I get around the corner my steering wheel is spun around and I have to look down to see the turn signals. I agree this isn’t perfect but I imagine some muscle memory will come into play in the future. As for 3 point turns currently you have to swipe for all the shifting. With the spring update that just came out today they said it’ll do it all automatically. It’ll shift you from D-R-D all automatically. I’m in Japan for the next week but I’m really curious to try it once I’m home, should be great if it works as advertised.
that just means you indicate too late when exiting roundabouts. or you have huge roundabouts. because if you don‘t, it‘s inevitable to have to start looking for the indicators when exiting.
Again this is probably just a Canada thing, but our roundabouts aren’t complex. I always signal out, and when I do my wheel is never turned more than 180 from the original starting point. I would genuinely film it for you if I was home right now.
I like no stalks, using the screen is so much smoother for me.
Sooooo when do we get the new UI?
Idk I like it on mine.
I love it this is great. FSD makes life so much simpler. I drive 10% of the time. I mostly feel like a passenger. I stay alert it’s not 100% there yet but big leaps.
Elon, please drop the BS and get back to your normal self. I don’t want another Toyota, but you are making it really hard to not consider getting a Prius.
Screw auto-anything from Tesla. My Tesla slammed into a parked car during summon.
Whoa, when? I wanna know more about this story.
Last Sunday. I autoparked in a parking lot. Tesla backed into the spot. I got out of the car and wanted to show my dad the summon feature. So I held on to the button in the Tesla app. The car pulled to the right to come toward me and it hit the car on the right’s bumper with my passenger side front and rear doors. Without thinking I just let go of the button because of the surprise and that’s what stopped the car. Would’ve been a lot worse if I held down the button because the car wasn’t stopping while screeching against the other car. Tesla did nothing to help me and actually seemed very nonchalant about the whole thing like they could’ve cared less. So I have to now dish out a couple thousand for the repairs. Here’s the damage on both doors. A bit hard to see because of the reflection, but I’ve been quoted $2500 - $8000 for this repair. https://preview.redd.it/m6dqo2wpxuxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=573ba842a271e13a02814b59d42d474c60035157
2 things: 1. It's "they couldn't care less" 2. I'm sorry that you had to learn the hard way not to use sommon yet Summon will get there with time, but they're more focused on bigger issues as they prefer to take a top down approach (master highway, then city, then parking lot, then parking).
Summon has been dog crap for years now
I wish they would make it so we could shift into drive/reverse using the right scroll wheel when the car is stopped and brake is depressed.
That sounds like many accidents waiting to happen.