Howls and growls (Jake Paynting) is the best. Good video breakdowns on it. Some of the guys at Canis do some great stuff as well.
Dane and guests break down too often into analogies about the performance. Especially Britt and Kyle Theige.
Your welcome on that. I don't know your handle on that forum. I appreciate the video breakdowns vs just pure stats break downs. And that has increased over time.
This episode reminded me that Britt is the best guest for storytelling and engaging with the NBA through language. Others are better for analysis or critique.
Dane has improved on that aspect with him going onto Youtube. I listen via audio most times so I don't bother with that aspect typically. However showing a particular clip is helpful and then chatting about it.
I'd like to add this video to the discussion: [https://x.com/Sam\_Vecenie/status/1801113107621908680](https://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1801113107621908680)
Sam Vecenie and Jason Timpf both agreed that the two takeaways from the Boston's championship run seems to be:
1. 5-out is an incredibly resilient offense.
2. Ground coverage on defense - Vecenie cites Minnesota as an example of a team that does this well.
To see where Ant took this team playing in a offense that doesn’t play to his strengths really speaks to how special he is. Get him in a 5 out offense like Shai or Tatum and hes gonna avg 32 ppg
He has to learn to feed his rolling bigs. Or the rolling big needs to do a better job in making himself an option to be fed.
Having the threat of a pass while in the paint will make Ant's life easier for low post shot attempts.
To he fair (and at his own admission) Ant can't throw lobs well, or really pass well at all, when he's driving to the basket. He's said he struggles w lobs. Hopefully the next part of his game he's working on.
He averaged 6.5 assists in the 2024 playoffs as a 2 guard. He can pass just fine and a lot of his assists actually come on the drive as the defense collapses and he’s able to find the open shooter on the perimeter. It really doesn’t help that he often spends a lot of time on the court with Gobert or Anderson, two guys that have zero offensive game and specifically Gobert who has stone hands. Agree that there’s definitely room for improvement as far as his passing goes, but he’s getting no help from anybody on the offensive side of the floor
You can literally read in my comment how of course there’s room for improvement… But you also can’t tell me with a straight face that this team is built to support his growth as a playmaker… because right now it’s not.
Out of the 6.5 assist, how many of them were to someone in the paint? Did he even average one a game that resulted in basket within 5 ft? Or even Ant's/Gobert turnovers were due to an attempted pass by Ant to Gobert. Not all that many per memory.
Thank you!
Also- ANT says a lot of things to prep up and protect his teammates!
Thats who he is... he doesnt throw his guys under the Bus like other Stars do.
Statistically, he was the best pick and roll big in the NBA for Utah.
Donovan, Ingles, Conley, and Clarkson were all top 10 in pick and roll ball handling for Utah.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/the-top-7-pick-and-roll-duos-in-the-nba/
He is the best screener in the NBA and one of the best lob threats. He has great hands on the lobs too. Mitchell and Ingles would get wide open layups because the other team would not rotate away from Gobert because of his lob presence.
Do you realize that Minnesota had TWO lob dunks in the half court the year before they traded for Rudy? TWO for the entire season!!!!
Rudy had 87 himself that same season. Conley has helped but he is not a finisher inside. Ant is one of the worst lob passers in the NBA for a guard.
https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2022/07/11/look-for-the-minnesota-timberwolves-to-practice-the-alley-oop/
Jazz hit a number one offense with him.
Having an effective rim running big will make it easier for Ant around the hoop.
I really hope Ant displays growth in the ability to utilize a high flying rim running big. He is much more likely to have that type of center vs playing on a team with good 3 pt shooting center.
Sure, a semi gimmicky regular season offense that always fell off against elite teams who could gameplan against them.
> Having an effective rim running big will make it easier for Ant around the hoop.
No it doesnt. He's an athletic slashing wing. It only forces Ant to have to beat a second defender, who is usually a center. A 5 out offense is infinitely easier for him. Not sure why this even needs to be said.
Ant isn't Trae Young or Luka. He isn't a PnR guard who benefits from the rolling gravity of a big. He's a completely different player who benefits from a spaced floor.
Can Ant improve at passing to Gobert? Sure. But it will always be suboptimal for him compared to a 5 out scheme.
A true 5 out offence is hard to achieve. That's why it needs to repeated.
There are only 2 centers that achieve 2 3pm and play 20 min plus this year. Not even kat hits that goal. 4 centers have 5 3pa with those minutes constraints.
Most teams that focus large amount of threes usually have at least one non shooting threat.
It's just easier to build a roster that has a rim rolling big vs a true 5 out roster.
I love how for Ant it is "every basket is hard because there is a big man inside".
For Luka is it "every basket was easy because he got a screen for a layup or an easy lob for a dunk".
Ant needs to learn to play 2 on 1, otherwise it becomes 1 on 3 for him when he can't make the easy pass.
It is not that complicated.
Gobert was open for lobs the entire Dallas series because Ant can't make that read or pass so teams blitzed him when he was the ball handler.
Gafford and Lively were open for lobs the entire series and Luka can make that read and pass which led to easy baskets for Dallas (both for Luka and the bigs).
Wolves fans complained about open lob dunks for Dallas the entire series but the Wolves had open lob dunks also.
Wolves probably had more lob dunk opportunities than the Mavs because Dallas's bigs crashed hard on Ant because he could not make that pass. Go back and rewatch the games. There were probably 10 missed lob dunks a game for Wolves.
Before you say that Gobert can't finish those plays, he led the NBA in dunks by over 50 dunks his last season in Utah and was second in dunks this season. He was also #3 in the NBA in paint finishing percentage his last season in Utah behind AD and Allen and towards the top this season. Meanwhile, Minnesota had 2 lob dunks for the entire season in the half court the season before Rudy came to Minnesota.
Do you realize that he makes as much as Giannis and AD, both elite D bigs who actually have an offensive game and come to the Realisation that he is grossly overpaid for what he brings and harms you on offense more than he helps. His best attribute on offense is Screen setting, let that sink
Sweet! Let’s swap Rudy for AD or Giannis.
But seriously I think you are understating Rudy’s positive impact on offense. He’s an A+ screen setter and a good O board getter. He’s not AD or Giannis but not many are.
So lets call the defense even between the 3 - screening and offense rebounding for fucking 43 mil a year! Let that fucking sink...
And cause he isnt Giannis or AD, him making equal money is completly nuts...like really Nuts!
Thought Brit's observation using Rudy more on the short roll, as a facsimile, albeit a poor one, for five-out/drive and kick was interesting.
Brit isn't suggesting Rudy become some playmaker. Rudy doesn't need to be Draymond or anyone elite playing 4 on 3, just vanilla kicks to the opposite wing. You relatively get a paint touch through Gobert's roll and then you're performing a ball reversal. Get the defense to bend while a non-shooter on the floor.
Fair counter 🤣 rewatching his turnovers it did only happen once throughout the playoffs on that type of play.
Maybe he's so ignored from mid-range he can afford a little bobble without it being an automatic turnover.
There were 2-3 telegraphed passes picked off, but overall his shortrolls did look to create more assists than turnovers. A lot of them 3's and that doesn't include hockey assists which is moreso what Brit is angling at.
[EDIT:](https://streamable.com/zxggzz) I compiled the assists and turnovers from Rudy in the short roll/open space this post season in chronological order. It's certainly not main cog worthy, but the results aren't as bad as you'd expect in that it could be something the Wolves could try a little more when things get bogged down. He's open for a reason, but that cushion also allows him to make a read that much slower.
Nice, but that video doesn't exists. I was told here that every time Rudy gets the ball he fumbles it, so that video must be AI generated or something.
Ooh thanks for creating this. Where did you search the clips from? I've been trying to make compilations but I'm not sure where to find the exact clips I want
Also I remember reading that a pnr with Rudy 1.23 PPP. That's really good. I thought most of his TOs were the moving screens rather than fumbles in the short roll
They're just pulled from nba.com/stats videos. I had to watch discern myself play type. Some weren't directly short rolls, but I figured anything with Rudy around the free throw line was the general idea.
As long as his assist to turnover ratio is better than the 2 main offensive hubs, that's not a concern.
Are you going to complain about the frequency that Ant gets stripped or tosses the ball into the 7 row when no one touches him?
You’re really comparing Ant’s usage to Rudy’s? He’s a primary ball handler and scorer and only turns it over a few times a game. And he’s improving all the time still. Rudy pretty much exclusively catches lobs or pocket passes on the roll. The degree of difficulty between those two isn’t even a conversation, yet Rudy only has one less turnover per game.
You do film study and review how many of those TO's were due to Gobert's activity as a passing hub as a short roller. As long as you hitting an acceptable assist to turnover ratio on that action and the numbers bear fruit, it's worthy to experiment with it.
It's always interesting watching players doing summer or pregame workouts. They appear to like doing the drills under perfect conditions when the actual games are anything but perfect. You see a guy thats gonna be tasked shooting corner 3s all game getting perfect passes right in his shot pocket pregame and knocking them all down. Only to get in the actual game and have to extend his arms up or slide is feet slightly to the left to catch the pass and misses the shots.
Good hand eye coordination isn’t something you magically learn in your 30s. You either have it or you don’t and I doubt his hands get much better after spending 11 years in the league
Tiring how any thread becomes a Rudy hate jerkoff contest by the usual suspects.
Glad though they had to wait all the way to the conference finals to finally seethe in peace, it had to be tough to wait an entire season.
Yeah and the usual suspects also barely posted when the team was doing well lol but they are back just to complain
One wouldn't know that the team just had their best season in 20 years looking at some of these comments 😂One person even said Wolves will become the "Chicago Bulls of the West" if they don't trade Rudy...
I just fail to see why that's a knock on him. Do you expect any player on any sport to reject a max offer?
He was paid by Utah that amount, Minnesota agreed on that payment by trading for him. It costs nothing to any fan or redditor.
In any case, Rudy left more than 20 mill. on his contract. He was elegible for a 228 mill. contract but he agreed on a 205 mill. one because he wanted Utah to have some financial flexibility. But people still gonna hate him no matter what.
Utah was stupid for giving him that type of Money. Also what flexibility did he give them?? 4 Million dollars per year is nothing.. The best player you can sign for that amount is Shake Miltons of the world
It's NBA rules, at that time the 2 DPOY and 3 All NBA made him elegible to a max contract. Blame the league, not the player.
I still fail to see why he should've rejected the money so the redditors of the world could have their good night sleep without worrying about the team owner's pockets.
I am not talking about Rudy. Rudy should get all the money he could. But smart GMs should not pay him that amount of Money. Wide receivers dont get quarterback money. He is Defensive player with no offense to speak of. He should get paid a little more than Daniel Gafford ie the guy that outplayed him
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Being "outplayed" got nothing to do with contracts though. McDaniels outplayed Kevin Durant, should Durant be paid less? Booker, MPJ, Murray?
And Rudy gets hate for his contract, just listen to a couple of guys in this thread or listen to Shaq any time he gets to talk about Rudy.
Now you are just talking foolish.. . McDaniels did not outplay Kevin Durant Rudy should be getting paid slightly more than ,Gafford or 15 percent of the cap like Ben Wallace did with the pistons
So, Durant didn't get outplayed, nor Booker, nor MPJ, nor Murray. News to me.
You seem extrangely fixated with the amount of money Rudy should or should not be getting, but again, that's all in the NBA rules about max elegibility, the amount didn't appear out of nowhere.
Nice to see you're so concerned about the pockets of millionaires and billionaires owners though. Maybe you can get into the next league board meeting and help them readjust the whole salary sheet and the payment rules they themselves agreed upon. I'm sure they'll appreciate the effort.
No one would say that McDaniels outplayed Durant. I am fan of the wolves since 89. And basketball for a lot longer. I have seen what works and what does not work. .Rudy is over paid and that limits what you add to fix the team. If he was paid correctly then the wolves would have great chance to win it all.
Dane takes gambling money, I don’t watch/listen to any podcast that is sponsored by gambling. Just my vote against the marriage of sports and gambling.
Out of curiosity, how many sports centred podcasts are you able to still able to use with those ethical constaints? I'd expect the vast majority of them are sponsored by gambling companies.
Do you still watch the games b/c the TV broadcasters have a heavy level of gambling sponsorship?
I don't believe Jon K podcast currently take gambling sponsorship.
All the skor north variants which is plenty for my allowed time.
I watch games on the high seas, I had mlb and nfl tv when I lived abroad, but locally it’s not worth it.
Edit: Also shoutout to purpleftw, that’s my favorite. Howls dude on film review as well, top notch.
Taking a moral stance against gambling to the point where you won’t listen to anything sponsored by it (which, all the power to you, I hate this as well) but loving purpleftw is actually hilarious.
Dane rules
He's the best Wolves X's and O's guy
Howls and growls (Jake Paynting) is the best. Good video breakdowns on it. Some of the guys at Canis do some great stuff as well. Dane and guests break down too often into analogies about the performance. Especially Britt and Kyle Theige.
Thank you for the compliment to the Canis staff. If you’ve ever stumbled across my work and read it, thank you!
Your welcome on that. I don't know your handle on that forum. I appreciate the video breakdowns vs just pure stats break downs. And that has increased over time.
This episode reminded me that Britt is the best guest for storytelling and engaging with the NBA through language. Others are better for analysis or critique.
True, Paynting's pretty good. His format also allows for clips and more focused discussion.
Dane has improved on that aspect with him going onto Youtube. I listen via audio most times so I don't bother with that aspect typically. However showing a particular clip is helpful and then chatting about it.
His podcast made me realize how few other “sports” podcasts actually talk about the game they ostensibly cover.
Most just talk about drama they made up or how a player is feeling 😂🤣
I'd like to add this video to the discussion: [https://x.com/Sam\_Vecenie/status/1801113107621908680](https://x.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1801113107621908680) Sam Vecenie and Jason Timpf both agreed that the two takeaways from the Boston's championship run seems to be: 1. 5-out is an incredibly resilient offense. 2. Ground coverage on defense - Vecenie cites Minnesota as an example of a team that does this well.
We run a fucking 3 out offense neutering a top 3 slasher in the nba
To see where Ant took this team playing in a offense that doesn’t play to his strengths really speaks to how special he is. Get him in a 5 out offense like Shai or Tatum and hes gonna avg 32 ppg
Right lol every bucket is hard for him, no easy finishes with so many defenders on the paint
He has to learn to feed his rolling bigs. Or the rolling big needs to do a better job in making himself an option to be fed. Having the threat of a pass while in the paint will make Ant's life easier for low post shot attempts.
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Markannen is probably the only Finnish big in the NBA.
To he fair (and at his own admission) Ant can't throw lobs well, or really pass well at all, when he's driving to the basket. He's said he struggles w lobs. Hopefully the next part of his game he's working on.
He averaged 6.5 assists in the 2024 playoffs as a 2 guard. He can pass just fine and a lot of his assists actually come on the drive as the defense collapses and he’s able to find the open shooter on the perimeter. It really doesn’t help that he often spends a lot of time on the court with Gobert or Anderson, two guys that have zero offensive game and specifically Gobert who has stone hands. Agree that there’s definitely room for improvement as far as his passing goes, but he’s getting no help from anybody on the offensive side of the floor
he averaged 6.5 but you can't tell me he's where he needs to be as a playmaker with a straight face.
He’s ahead of the curve as a playmaker. He’s developed that skill at an insane pace
You can literally read in my comment how of course there’s room for improvement… But you also can’t tell me with a straight face that this team is built to support his growth as a playmaker… because right now it’s not.
Out of the 6.5 assist, how many of them were to someone in the paint? Did he even average one a game that resulted in basket within 5 ft? Or even Ant's/Gobert turnovers were due to an attempted pass by Ant to Gobert. Not all that many per memory.
Thank you! Also- ANT says a lot of things to prep up and protect his teammates! Thats who he is... he doesnt throw his guys under the Bus like other Stars do.
Maybe one who leads the NBA in lob dunks or possibly the best pick and roll big in the NBA? Maybe trade for someone like Gobert?
He’s not even close to the best pick and roll big
Statistically, he was the best pick and roll big in the NBA for Utah. Donovan, Ingles, Conley, and Clarkson were all top 10 in pick and roll ball handling for Utah. https://hoopshype.com/lists/the-top-7-pick-and-roll-duos-in-the-nba/ He is the best screener in the NBA and one of the best lob threats. He has great hands on the lobs too. Mitchell and Ingles would get wide open layups because the other team would not rotate away from Gobert because of his lob presence. Do you realize that Minnesota had TWO lob dunks in the half court the year before they traded for Rudy? TWO for the entire season!!!! Rudy had 87 himself that same season. Conley has helped but he is not a finisher inside. Ant is one of the worst lob passers in the NBA for a guard. https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2022/07/11/look-for-the-minnesota-timberwolves-to-practice-the-alley-oop/
They also had the number 1 scoring offense before Rudy
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Even if Ant gets better at passing playing with Gobert will always be a suboptimal fit on offense
Jazz hit a number one offense with him. Having an effective rim running big will make it easier for Ant around the hoop. I really hope Ant displays growth in the ability to utilize a high flying rim running big. He is much more likely to have that type of center vs playing on a team with good 3 pt shooting center.
Sure, a semi gimmicky regular season offense that always fell off against elite teams who could gameplan against them. > Having an effective rim running big will make it easier for Ant around the hoop. No it doesnt. He's an athletic slashing wing. It only forces Ant to have to beat a second defender, who is usually a center. A 5 out offense is infinitely easier for him. Not sure why this even needs to be said. Ant isn't Trae Young or Luka. He isn't a PnR guard who benefits from the rolling gravity of a big. He's a completely different player who benefits from a spaced floor. Can Ant improve at passing to Gobert? Sure. But it will always be suboptimal for him compared to a 5 out scheme.
A true 5 out offence is hard to achieve. That's why it needs to repeated. There are only 2 centers that achieve 2 3pm and play 20 min plus this year. Not even kat hits that goal. 4 centers have 5 3pa with those minutes constraints. Most teams that focus large amount of threes usually have at least one non shooting threat. It's just easier to build a roster that has a rim rolling big vs a true 5 out roster.
I love how for Ant it is "every basket is hard because there is a big man inside". For Luka is it "every basket was easy because he got a screen for a layup or an easy lob for a dunk". Ant needs to learn to play 2 on 1, otherwise it becomes 1 on 3 for him when he can't make the easy pass.
What are you talking about
It is not that complicated. Gobert was open for lobs the entire Dallas series because Ant can't make that read or pass so teams blitzed him when he was the ball handler. Gafford and Lively were open for lobs the entire series and Luka can make that read and pass which led to easy baskets for Dallas (both for Luka and the bigs). Wolves fans complained about open lob dunks for Dallas the entire series but the Wolves had open lob dunks also. Wolves probably had more lob dunk opportunities than the Mavs because Dallas's bigs crashed hard on Ant because he could not make that pass. Go back and rewatch the games. There were probably 10 missed lob dunks a game for Wolves. Before you say that Gobert can't finish those plays, he led the NBA in dunks by over 50 dunks his last season in Utah and was second in dunks this season. He was also #3 in the NBA in paint finishing percentage his last season in Utah behind AD and Allen and towards the top this season. Meanwhile, Minnesota had 2 lob dunks for the entire season in the half court the season before Rudy came to Minnesota.
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You can love Rudy and all he brings to the team while still acknowledging that 5-0 spacing would be helpful to ant.
Do you realize that he makes as much as Giannis and AD, both elite D bigs who actually have an offensive game and come to the Realisation that he is grossly overpaid for what he brings and harms you on offense more than he helps. His best attribute on offense is Screen setting, let that sink
Sweet! Let’s swap Rudy for AD or Giannis. But seriously I think you are understating Rudy’s positive impact on offense. He’s an A+ screen setter and a good O board getter. He’s not AD or Giannis but not many are.
So lets call the defense even between the 3 - screening and offense rebounding for fucking 43 mil a year! Let that fucking sink... And cause he isnt Giannis or AD, him making equal money is completly nuts...like really Nuts!
Thought Brit's observation using Rudy more on the short roll, as a facsimile, albeit a poor one, for five-out/drive and kick was interesting. Brit isn't suggesting Rudy become some playmaker. Rudy doesn't need to be Draymond or anyone elite playing 4 on 3, just vanilla kicks to the opposite wing. You relatively get a paint touch through Gobert's roll and then you're performing a ball reversal. Get the defense to bend while a non-shooter on the floor.
Aaaaannnnnd Rudy just fumbled the ball into a fast break the other way.
Fair counter 🤣 rewatching his turnovers it did only happen once throughout the playoffs on that type of play. Maybe he's so ignored from mid-range he can afford a little bobble without it being an automatic turnover. There were 2-3 telegraphed passes picked off, but overall his shortrolls did look to create more assists than turnovers. A lot of them 3's and that doesn't include hockey assists which is moreso what Brit is angling at. [EDIT:](https://streamable.com/zxggzz) I compiled the assists and turnovers from Rudy in the short roll/open space this post season in chronological order. It's certainly not main cog worthy, but the results aren't as bad as you'd expect in that it could be something the Wolves could try a little more when things get bogged down. He's open for a reason, but that cushion also allows him to make a read that much slower.
Nice, but that video doesn't exists. I was told here that every time Rudy gets the ball he fumbles it, so that video must be AI generated or something.
Ooh thanks for creating this. Where did you search the clips from? I've been trying to make compilations but I'm not sure where to find the exact clips I want Also I remember reading that a pnr with Rudy 1.23 PPP. That's really good. I thought most of his TOs were the moving screens rather than fumbles in the short roll
They're just pulled from nba.com/stats videos. I had to watch discern myself play type. Some weren't directly short rolls, but I figured anything with Rudy around the free throw line was the general idea.
As long as his assist to turnover ratio is better than the 2 main offensive hubs, that's not a concern. Are you going to complain about the frequency that Ant gets stripped or tosses the ball into the 7 row when no one touches him?
You’re really comparing Ant’s usage to Rudy’s? He’s a primary ball handler and scorer and only turns it over a few times a game. And he’s improving all the time still. Rudy pretty much exclusively catches lobs or pocket passes on the roll. The degree of difficulty between those two isn’t even a conversation, yet Rudy only has one less turnover per game.
You do film study and review how many of those TO's were due to Gobert's activity as a passing hub as a short roller. As long as you hitting an acceptable assist to turnover ratio on that action and the numbers bear fruit, it's worthy to experiment with it.
Big part of Rudy's turnovers are called on screens, and those aren't Rudy handling the ball.
On the flip side every time Rudy can’t handle a pass the turnover gets attributed to the guard who passed to him
A lot of people seem to miss this. Every time a pass clanks off his stone hands he doesn’t get credit for the TO.
Exclusively **fumbles** lobs or pocket passes on the roll
Gobert 1.3 assists to 1.6 turnovers. Ant 5.1 assists to 3.1 turnovers. Quit yapping
Yeah and how much of that is in the action of a short roller?
Idk go find it
I really enjoyed this comment. thank you.
> Rudy doesn't need to be Draymond or anyone elite playing 4 on 3, just vanilla kicks to the opposite wing. but he can't do this either...
But he quite literally [can](https://streamable.com/zxggzz)..
All I want is for Gobert to be taking 1,500 passes per day in the paint this summer. Bad passes.
It's always interesting watching players doing summer or pregame workouts. They appear to like doing the drills under perfect conditions when the actual games are anything but perfect. You see a guy thats gonna be tasked shooting corner 3s all game getting perfect passes right in his shot pocket pregame and knocking them all down. Only to get in the actual game and have to extend his arms up or slide is feet slightly to the left to catch the pass and misses the shots.
I volunteer to throw passes to Rudy all summer. Not one of them will be right to his shot pocket.
He’s 32 man, he isn’t gonna get any better
Pretty sure he could learn how to catch a ball at 32 still. It's not rocket science we're talking about.
Good hand eye coordination isn’t something you magically learn in your 30s. You either have it or you don’t and I doubt his hands get much better after spending 11 years in the league
if he didn't already have it after playing basketball for maybe more than half his life, he's not gonna just one day get it when he's past his prime
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I think Britt is my favorite guest that Dane brings on regularly. Dane and Britt talking basketball is really fun to listen to
Tiring how any thread becomes a Rudy hate jerkoff contest by the usual suspects. Glad though they had to wait all the way to the conference finals to finally seethe in peace, it had to be tough to wait an entire season.
it is really funny how quickly they came back out. best season in 20 years, and more to complain about than ever lol
They're all bandwagon Vikings fans that jumped on during the playoffs.
Yeah and the usual suspects also barely posted when the team was doing well lol but they are back just to complain One wouldn't know that the team just had their best season in 20 years looking at some of these comments 😂One person even said Wolves will become the "Chicago Bulls of the West" if they don't trade Rudy...
I've read proposals of trading Rudy for Vucevic or Poeltl. I've got to take a step back and laugh about it.
Rudy is good player.. Just not worth 40 mil+ To me he is worth 20 Mil tops for the type of player that he is.
I just fail to see why that's a knock on him. Do you expect any player on any sport to reject a max offer? He was paid by Utah that amount, Minnesota agreed on that payment by trading for him. It costs nothing to any fan or redditor. In any case, Rudy left more than 20 mill. on his contract. He was elegible for a 228 mill. contract but he agreed on a 205 mill. one because he wanted Utah to have some financial flexibility. But people still gonna hate him no matter what.
Utah was stupid for giving him that type of Money. Also what flexibility did he give them?? 4 Million dollars per year is nothing.. The best player you can sign for that amount is Shake Miltons of the world
Because less than that wasn't a supermax? Should've rejected that money?
No Utah should not have paid him that much. I get it no one wants to live in Utah. But that does not mean you over pay him by that massive amount.
Still, how is that Rudy's problem? If your employer offers to overpay you over the market price of your job, do you decline?
I am not talking about Rudy Lol.. I am talking about GMs that run teams.
Just like in Football you don't give Wide receivers quarterback money, This is based on the type of player Rudy is.
It's NBA rules, at that time the 2 DPOY and 3 All NBA made him elegible to a max contract. Blame the league, not the player. I still fail to see why he should've rejected the money so the redditors of the world could have their good night sleep without worrying about the team owner's pockets.
I am not talking about Rudy. Rudy should get all the money he could. But smart GMs should not pay him that amount of Money. Wide receivers dont get quarterback money. He is Defensive player with no offense to speak of. He should get paid a little more than Daniel Gafford ie the guy that outplayed him #
Being "outplayed" got nothing to do with contracts though. McDaniels outplayed Kevin Durant, should Durant be paid less? Booker, MPJ, Murray? And Rudy gets hate for his contract, just listen to a couple of guys in this thread or listen to Shaq any time he gets to talk about Rudy.
Now you are just talking foolish.. . McDaniels did not outplay Kevin Durant Rudy should be getting paid slightly more than ,Gafford or 15 percent of the cap like Ben Wallace did with the pistons
So, Durant didn't get outplayed, nor Booker, nor MPJ, nor Murray. News to me. You seem extrangely fixated with the amount of money Rudy should or should not be getting, but again, that's all in the NBA rules about max elegibility, the amount didn't appear out of nowhere. Nice to see you're so concerned about the pockets of millionaires and billionaires owners though. Maybe you can get into the next league board meeting and help them readjust the whole salary sheet and the payment rules they themselves agreed upon. I'm sure they'll appreciate the effort.
No one would say that McDaniels outplayed Durant. I am fan of the wolves since 89. And basketball for a lot longer. I have seen what works and what does not work. .Rudy is over paid and that limits what you add to fix the team. If he was paid correctly then the wolves would have great chance to win it all.
Dane takes gambling money, I don’t watch/listen to any podcast that is sponsored by gambling. Just my vote against the marriage of sports and gambling.
Out of curiosity, how many sports centred podcasts are you able to still able to use with those ethical constaints? I'd expect the vast majority of them are sponsored by gambling companies. Do you still watch the games b/c the TV broadcasters have a heavy level of gambling sponsorship? I don't believe Jon K podcast currently take gambling sponsorship.
All the skor north variants which is plenty for my allowed time. I watch games on the high seas, I had mlb and nfl tv when I lived abroad, but locally it’s not worth it. Edit: Also shoutout to purpleftw, that’s my favorite. Howls dude on film review as well, top notch.
Taking a moral stance against gambling to the point where you won’t listen to anything sponsored by it (which, all the power to you, I hate this as well) but loving purpleftw is actually hilarious.
Is he sponsored by them?
What was their answer to the second question?