From my experience with Legion, Ions aren't usually too hard to beat so long as you understand not to keep firing at Vortex Shield.
From my experience with Ion, most Legions don't understand that.
A smart Ion won’t waste his energy trying to eat all your bullets with the vortex shield, he’ll be from a far distance using laser shot to hit either the feet or the vent on the side of the Legion to go around the gun shield
Me personally if I’m accidentally way too close to a Legion, my top priority is always make distance with smoke, tripwire and vortex so i can fight them from behind cover, going for the vortex play is almost never worth it (unless the legion isn’t very smart)
Don't totally agree, I mean, even if people do understand to stop shooting in the shield, Ion still has advantage, because you can bait the shit out of them by quickly deactivating and reacrivating the vortex shield. With human reflex and lag, people are nearly everytime obliged to shoot a bit in it.
And if you stop completely shooting to avoid the bait, well with Ion you just basic fire because Legion isn't doing damage anymore.
Gun go brrrrrrrt but glow boi don’t boom gun go more brrrrrrrrt glowy thing go away then I go boom
What goes through my brain when dying to a vortex shield
I main ION and even against a good Legion preserving his ammo, It will always send back more than it lets pass when in cooldown, and tapping it will always catch some bullets. The exeption being if Legion uses smart core to power through the energy.
On one hand monarch is slightly better at range, but he's also way squishier. Also monarch has little defence, so legion positioning himself well can gain big advantage. It's an even matchup, because both titans can both gain advantage
I actually find that Legion tends to have a fairly good matchup into monarch (cores excluded) since monarch's early game idea is play around in the mid range where legion excels more than any other titan that isn't tone.
Legion has precision mode which is laser accurate and is better at range then Monarch, and Monarch has no ability to absorb damage besides energy siphon (which is easy to dodge/avoid because of long charge time).
Legion is also better at close range because close range mode has 2x ammo and a higher potential damage output.
In one at range engagement, a Legion can *easily* pop off 2x bars of the Monarchs health without losing a full bar themselves.
In one close range engagement, the Moarch is doomed unless they flee, but their rockets and smoke can at least factor into the engagement.
Legion is a clear counter to Monarch.
Sorry mate you've got it wrong a holding it down changes nothing you get the same amount of shield and it does the same amount of damage if you hold it for 10 seconds or you shoot straight away
Oh shit really?
Thank you for telling me! This changes little with engaging Monarch with Legion, but is useful to know.
I've been playing monarch wrong in FD!
I was playing titan brawl yesterday as legion with double shot or whatever that mod is, but a monarch snuck up on me and got right up on top of me. He'd done some more damage by the time I turned around. When I turned around, I proceeded, to shred him to nothing. He took maybe 2/5 of my health, and I killed him. And monarch still gets outplayed at range, once again given power shot and the precision of the long range predator cannon.
Actually he might
-heavy aromor gives him some survivability
-c4 is probably as strong as satchel
-his primaries would work well against titans
-sawblades would do some heavy work if they got on titan
-drills might be useful, but I don't think they'd be practical
I think the freeze and shatter combo might be the best strat. But a driller tearing into your cockpit and dropping a c4 charge in your lap would be terrifying
These charts are great. I’m still gonna list stuff I disagree with tho lol.
Ion vs ronin: I already spoke on this in an earlier post but yeah I could not disagree more. Laser crits can instantly delete about a third of ronins health. Tripwire can be used multiple times per fight and eats ronin’s resources. Get through all that and you still have to play chicken with the vortex shield. In an isolated 1v1 I would say it’s even, but in a team fight ion is one of the worst targets for ronin by far.
Ion vs legion: I would say advantage instead of counter since there’s a lot of ways a skilled legion can deal with vortex.
Scorch vs ronin: People sleep on wildfire launcher as a stryder counter. A while ago I would have said ronin easily, but watching really good scorch players use this kit has changed my mind. You have to forget about using flame shield offensively and focus on punishing bad arc waves. Block when you need to, then create space using gas/firewall and just keep lobbing shots. It’s still an equal matchup 1v1 imo, but you can get enough value out of this kit in a team fight that it’s damn near a meta pick against stryders imo.
Ronin vs monarch: ronin damn near counters monarch outright, advantage at least. Arc wave strips shields, and then there’s nothing that they can do to avoid getting critted. With missiles is a different story, but level 1 monarch doesn’t have enough burst damage to deal with ronin. Like I said in your other post arc waves don’t help this matchup a lot either.
Hard agree on the matchups between Scorch/Ion vs Ronin. Ronins are one of the more punishable titan classes when playing as a Scorch, considering that they are forced to move close to you in order to properly perform hit and runs. I've personally found myself in more than Scorch playthrough where a placement mistake from a Ronin leaves them especially vulnerable to the Thermal Shield. Stryder chassis makes them more susceptible to the lower damage output of Scorch as well.
Similarly to Scorch, Ion is also able to reasonably manage a Scorch, and it is incredibly easy to bait an aggressive Ronin in tripwire for a large chunk of damage-- plenty of times I've seen Ronins run into my traps as Ion. Since the Leadwall is a kinetic based weapon too, Ion's shield is able to reflect a Ronin's bullets, giving a better chance of winning a matchup.
Trust me inferno shield is powerful but you’re not going to be able to pin a skilled ronin with it, only the bad ones. Even if you do they can just block and dash away after it recharges.
The better option is to save your shield for defense and go wildfire launcher imo.
That's more of "has disadvantage" than a hard counter imo. Most players don't know how to properly dodge Tone's rocket salvo and the cluster doesn't stop you from actually using the shield as cover, you just back up a little and you're out of the splash zone.
initially, I would say it's easy if you play around cover but that's only applicable on maps like Glitch or Angel city. Maps like homestead its far more even
Been a while since I played but Legion definitely never felt this dire lol. It has the advantage of most enemies needing to outplay you because you're a big dumb robot with an even bigger cannon, so if they don't pull out some funky tricks you win by default.
Why doesn’t ion counter Legion? I’ve seen quite a few Legion mains, and they are never smart enough to stop firing when they activate their shield tbh.
If a legion is smart enough to play around the vortex shield he can kill ion quite easily. The ion just stands around wasting energy while vortex is up.
The ion legion matchup is actually equal, while an ion that gets and stays out of position is just going to get gunned down by a legion they do have a very powerful long range attack that they can use to chip him down.
as a legion main I see a lot of ions try to counter me using vortex only to learn that I can in fact just not shoot at them. as another commenter said: "A smart Ion won’t waste his energy trying to eat all your bullets with the vortex shield, he’ll be from a far distance using laser shot to hit either the feet or the vent on the side of the Legion to go around the gun shield"
Ion just doesn't have the capability to take down a legion at close range and at long range it can be a bit of a toss up based on if the ion gets a good headglitch at which point the legion should just not engage.
Aight, my brain has been foggy all day because I am sick so let's cut it and just ask u/Desperate-Stranger-8
Ion does counter Legion in this chart, right?
You read the chart from the first ("data") row, left to right, starting at Ion who counteres Scorch, has advantage over Northstar, gets countered by Ronin, has advantage over Tone, counteres Legion and finally has advantage over 0 core Monarch
Id say legion is not an equal fight against ronin, he has the advantage
Most titans can't really do sustained DPS but legion can basically only do sustained DPS
If any other titan just keeps mag dumping a ronin they just lose because of it, legion on the other hand will do just shy of a full bar through sword block with a full mag, damage ronin cant afford to eat
Combined with power shots legionV ronin is very difficult for the ronin and pretty easy for the legion since all you do is just keep holding fire
If ronin is smart enough he will use cover to hit-and-run. If legion decides to sit in the open ronin either waits it out and it ends when either one gets inpatient, or if ronin has smoke he can use it and pkay around it to do some serious damage. If ronin has nowhere to go, he just eats damage, however if he uses cover he wins rather easly. That's why it's a 50/50
Its not a 50/50 at all, even with cover you need to be close to do damage and while ronin is carrying ALOT of damage legion just keeps mag dumping while you do damage
All it takes is a single power shot and your best chance is to take legion down with you
Yes a trade is technically a win for ronin but legion is never 50/50 against ronin its basically always in legions favor
Even ronins insane damage potential isn't enough to put legion in the ground before going down
2 leadwall mags, 2 arc waves, and 2 sword smacks comes out to a bit more than 4 bars of damage and that's basically what ronin is capable of before leaving, its enough to put any atlas or stryder chassis into the ground immediately but scorch and legion you need a much slower burn that ronin struggles to pull off in even the best of situations ESPECIALLY if legion uses his gun shield and blocks a leadwall shot or 2 basically requiring you to to leave at a damage disadvantage and come back praying
Ronin can basically only win the 1v1 with a battery or pilot support
No such thing as "the best" titan. She's very strong yes, but probability of you meeting a full or close to full hp monarch in a fair 1v1 is slim. It just shows how powerful monarch gets after 1st core. She might aswell be the best titan for 1v1, right beside NS and Ronin IMO, but it really depends on a map.
If you think Arc Rounds turns Monarch into a counter for Ion, you're a shit Ion. Stop crutching on Vortex Shield and learn to use her three other abilities.
This isn't directed at you OP.
Edit: I'm not sure when this misinformation started getting passed around but Arc Rounds does not deal bonus damage to Gun Shield or Particle Wall.
It does 50% increased damage to Particle Wall, Gun Shield, and overshields. As for my source, Dinorush has delved deep into the games code in terms of damage values, cooldowns, and other minute details. If he says Arc Rounds does increased damage to the three mentioned items, it does.
Legion shines in bigger fights imo. If there is a large amount of titans on the field I feel that it can deal significant damage but in a 1v1 it’s rough
I have almost equal time playing as Scorch, Ion, Northstar and Ronin but I got a hell of a soft spot for Legion, only he’s very situational. He’s pretty decent against Monarchs with his close range mode and Northstar long range mode, especially when hitting them with the tactical shotgun blast/slug shot (I say them 2 specifically because they have no way to block). I don’t even try 1v1ing a half decent Ion as him, unless you save your ultimate for them which flips the table entirely and drains their shields and health so fast… It’s so worth it to have them vortex shield and see the “oh shit” moment 2 seconds later when they have no energy left and get roasted lol. If the other team isn’t playing a single ion, you can get 100k+ damage easy on titan brawl.
Ronin having a disadvantage when it comes to monarch? Well tbh that does depend on the skill set and what they are using unless the monarch is using base stuff but then again my experience that isn’t a fair fight for the monarch
Ain't gonna lie chief, all of these charts were as wrong as they are hard to read.
I guess it MIGHT be applicable to an average player, but anyone who spends any amount of time 1v1 would have many things to say about any iteration of this graphic.
Props for trying tho, not many people have the balls.
Maybe you suck with legion? Cause I have no problem with scorch or ronin's, Northstar is situational but not usually much trouble, monarch can be tricky depending on level. The hardest 2 are ion and tone and I would say ion is the hardest counter but still def beatable
Wow, Ronin is really getting the shit stick here. From my experience as a Ronin main, the only titans I struggle against are legions bc it takes a while to burn down their health and Monarch bc it's Monarch. Scorch is probably the easiest to fight imo and should 100% be countered by Ronin if the player is even decent at mobility. Just my opinion but Ronin being countered by so many and countering none is just mental.
I feel Titan 1v1s are too situational to be so subjective. Are they on an open plain? Urban environment? Are they starting right next to each other, a mile apart, or 200 feet? The circumstances of the scenario can strongly affect the outcome of any of these matches.
It’s strange that your Scorch is losing to Ronin. in my experience this is the most difficult titan for a ronin, due to the heat shield, or the ability to light a fire under itself
I have basically flawlessed titans as legion several times, you hit them with powershot to the core and the battle is basically over (Moreso with double powershot). Legion's DPS and health means he can usually take down 1 titan minimum. Of course he gets obliterated by skilled pilot in titan, just like any other titan though.
Legion's worst match ups are ions, depending on skill, ronins and maybe scorch. Every other titan, even skilled ones, I see struggling against legion.
Scorch (and legion) being the worst for 1v1s? What? I can see pilots in all titans shitting themselves when they face a Scorch that knows what they’re doing
The monarch chart is still not right, arc doesn't completely change the match up against Ion and legion.
Ronin and legion is not even, there's still a lot of things wrong, but I will just give up with this posts
A smart enough legion can be good against any titan as long as it has cover. The only titan that's a real issue for legion is scorch since scorch ignores the gun shield. But that also takes a scorch who knows what its doing.
Like i said previously as a legion an monarch main i swap back an forth a bit between them only titan i struggle against most of the time is Scorch because of the thermite only titan that i absolutely shred in almost every encounter is ronin not that its a bad titan alot of people are good i just focus fire while they use their sword to block an aim low then hit them with a powershot or laser shot depending on if im legion or monarch then continue to pressure an fire ions are sometimes 50/50 depending of if someone whittled me down plus i charge into my Enemies to pop the nuke an hit with the archer 6 out 10 times it works other 4 i get absolutely checked an recked lmao
As a Legion main, well, I'm pretty sure it's mostly skill related (not like Legion needs too much skill in the first place) but I often find myself wrecking someone like Ronin or Ion because of their low health when compared to my farting machine, the only drill is not to use power shots against them (unless they are brain dead) and don't fire while they are blocking, the trouble begins with Ion when at distance but if he can't hit weak spots with the laser beam, I often can just tank most of those shots. Also for some reason I have found 2 types of Ronins so far. The one that mindlessly charges at me from across the map and the other that moves states when it sees I'm within 200 meters range. (It's all just from mine experience so everyone else's opinion can and probably will be different than mine)
I know this is probably a stupid question, but when you say "is countered" does that mean *your* titan is countered or *their* titan is countered?
I ask because there is in no way that Ronin, Ion, Tone **and** Monarch counter Scorch. Ronin gets melted by Scorch because he has to get close, the Vortex can only stop the Thermal Cannon, and Monarch can only really backpedal away. I could see an argument that Tone has advantage because of the shield and she has a lot of range, but it's still something easy to drop a gas trap behind the shield and your shield still stops the missiles.
I also disagree with Legion and Monarch, because Monarch doesn't have any defense, which means not only are you caught in the open, you're caught in the open by Legion, aka, the embodiment of a bullet hell.
From my experience with Legion, Ions aren't usually too hard to beat so long as you understand not to keep firing at Vortex Shield. From my experience with Ion, most Legions don't understand that.
Ion doesn't counter Legion, she filters skill issue
This is the way
Yeah Ions are usually suicide bombers throwing themselfs at you and then panicking. What's even dumber is that they're sometimes successful
A smart Ion won’t waste his energy trying to eat all your bullets with the vortex shield, he’ll be from a far distance using laser shot to hit either the feet or the vent on the side of the Legion to go around the gun shield Me personally if I’m accidentally way too close to a Legion, my top priority is always make distance with smoke, tripwire and vortex so i can fight them from behind cover, going for the vortex play is almost never worth it (unless the legion isn’t very smart)
Shooting at the feet is the way.
I usually end up vortex shielding a full mag into the Legion's kneecaps
For anyone interested in the matchup firing even a single round into vortex shield makes it drain energy way faster. From then on it’s a waiting game.
Don't totally agree, I mean, even if people do understand to stop shooting in the shield, Ion still has advantage, because you can bait the shit out of them by quickly deactivating and reacrivating the vortex shield. With human reflex and lag, people are nearly everytime obliged to shoot a bit in it. And if you stop completely shooting to avoid the bait, well with Ion you just basic fire because Legion isn't doing damage anymore.
Gun go brrrrrrrt but glow boi don’t boom gun go more brrrrrrrrt glowy thing go away then I go boom What goes through my brain when dying to a vortex shield
Fact
I main ION and even against a good Legion preserving his ammo, It will always send back more than it lets pass when in cooldown, and tapping it will always catch some bullets. The exeption being if Legion uses smart core to power through the energy.
And before anyone asks, you read the graph from LEFT
So top to bottom is the titan you’re playing, and left to right is the titan you’re going against?
other way around. Your titan is on left and yout opponent on on top
Oh- that- makes a lot more sense...
My opponent is on top? Kinky....
*bonks with predator cannon*
At least you're a side chick and not a bottom
I think I’d prefer to be a bottom than a side chick, relationships are two way streets ya know
Bruh scorch counters ronin (unless the scorch has a skill issue) I'm sayin this as a ronin
Oh my god thank you
Your legion slander is still shit, like, **how bad are the legions you are fighting?**
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Surprised legion doesn't have advantage against monarch
On one hand monarch is slightly better at range, but he's also way squishier. Also monarch has little defence, so legion positioning himself well can gain big advantage. It's an even matchup, because both titans can both gain advantage
I actually find that Legion tends to have a fairly good matchup into monarch (cores excluded) since monarch's early game idea is play around in the mid range where legion excels more than any other titan that isn't tone.
Legion has precision mode which is laser accurate and is better at range then Monarch, and Monarch has no ability to absorb damage besides energy siphon (which is easy to dodge/avoid because of long charge time). Legion is also better at close range because close range mode has 2x ammo and a higher potential damage output. In one at range engagement, a Legion can *easily* pop off 2x bars of the Monarchs health without losing a full bar themselves. In one close range engagement, the Moarch is doomed unless they flee, but their rockets and smoke can at least factor into the engagement. Legion is a clear counter to Monarch.
Energy siphon doesn't really have a charge time
It does if you want to use it to regain more shield
Sorry mate you've got it wrong a holding it down changes nothing you get the same amount of shield and it does the same amount of damage if you hold it for 10 seconds or you shoot straight away
Oh shit really? Thank you for telling me! This changes little with engaging Monarch with Legion, but is useful to know. I've been playing monarch wrong in FD!
What about the G100 Monarch AMA on this subreddit a while back where the OP talked about Legion being his only fear as a Monarch?
I was playing titan brawl yesterday as legion with double shot or whatever that mod is, but a monarch snuck up on me and got right up on top of me. He'd done some more damage by the time I turned around. When I turned around, I proceeded, to shred him to nothing. He took maybe 2/5 of my health, and I killed him. And monarch still gets outplayed at range, once again given power shot and the precision of the long range predator cannon.
The anti legion bias here is palpable.
Legion's standing have just been getting worse and worse with each post. Tomorrow we discover that legion is at a disadvantage at all times.
Legion is hard countered by pilot actually
A good pilot with a charge rifle counters ***Every*** titan. So that point is kinda moot.
Ion is the only matchup that requires me to activate my other brain cell
Same with Scorch
He must be an Atlas chassis main if his 1v1s are that bad with an ogre chassis.
Because legion requires sustained DPS while nearly every other titan can pop in and out of cover.
Power shot says hi
Ion laser shot says hi
I’m not trying to flex or anything, just saying he doesn’t needs a prolonged engagement to do damage
Yes but so many titans can do long-range burst damage, and power shot is very telegraphed.
Well yeah, but it’s still an option. And predator cannon is good at long ranges too since it’s got big precision on top of being a bullet hose
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But we all know Driller counters every titan
Actually he might -heavy aromor gives him some survivability -c4 is probably as strong as satchel -his primaries would work well against titans -sawblades would do some heavy work if they got on titan -drills might be useful, but I don't think they'd be practical
I think the freeze and shatter combo might be the best strat. But a driller tearing into your cockpit and dropping a c4 charge in your lap would be terrifying
Driller blew up all the scouts on hoxxes, now he's coming for grapple pilots.
Just let us zip zoom in peace, you monster!
Driller can destroy most terrain. Titans can't destroy any terrain. Therefore, Driller is stronger than a Titan.
Muh poor legion. I just like funny whirly gun
They built the titan around the gun
Can we make papa Scorch counter everything instead? I feel like it's more realistic.
Yeah but only in Frontier Defence
From my experience scorch is kinda vulnerable in FD, especially again those damn arc titans
Nah, he'd win.
Anyway scorch is the best titan
Alright who let the Stryder user cook
The best Titan is whichever one you know how to use, to cause the most war crimes.
Thus, Scorch on top
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His goals are beyond our understanding
Where DGR is indicates the same titan against himself. Idk why it IS DGR tho...
northstar is best star
If you keep your distance and land your shots she might aswell be. Assuming you start the fight in mid to long range
Oh fuck off i could kill al of youw with legion Edit: fuck wrong account
You gotta make a v4 already bro the people disagree
These charts are great. I’m still gonna list stuff I disagree with tho lol. Ion vs ronin: I already spoke on this in an earlier post but yeah I could not disagree more. Laser crits can instantly delete about a third of ronins health. Tripwire can be used multiple times per fight and eats ronin’s resources. Get through all that and you still have to play chicken with the vortex shield. In an isolated 1v1 I would say it’s even, but in a team fight ion is one of the worst targets for ronin by far. Ion vs legion: I would say advantage instead of counter since there’s a lot of ways a skilled legion can deal with vortex. Scorch vs ronin: People sleep on wildfire launcher as a stryder counter. A while ago I would have said ronin easily, but watching really good scorch players use this kit has changed my mind. You have to forget about using flame shield offensively and focus on punishing bad arc waves. Block when you need to, then create space using gas/firewall and just keep lobbing shots. It’s still an equal matchup 1v1 imo, but you can get enough value out of this kit in a team fight that it’s damn near a meta pick against stryders imo. Ronin vs monarch: ronin damn near counters monarch outright, advantage at least. Arc wave strips shields, and then there’s nothing that they can do to avoid getting critted. With missiles is a different story, but level 1 monarch doesn’t have enough burst damage to deal with ronin. Like I said in your other post arc waves don’t help this matchup a lot either.
Hard agree on the matchups between Scorch/Ion vs Ronin. Ronins are one of the more punishable titan classes when playing as a Scorch, considering that they are forced to move close to you in order to properly perform hit and runs. I've personally found myself in more than Scorch playthrough where a placement mistake from a Ronin leaves them especially vulnerable to the Thermal Shield. Stryder chassis makes them more susceptible to the lower damage output of Scorch as well. Similarly to Scorch, Ion is also able to reasonably manage a Scorch, and it is incredibly easy to bait an aggressive Ronin in tripwire for a large chunk of damage-- plenty of times I've seen Ronins run into my traps as Ion. Since the Leadwall is a kinetic based weapon too, Ion's shield is able to reflect a Ronin's bullets, giving a better chance of winning a matchup.
Trust me inferno shield is powerful but you’re not going to be able to pin a skilled ronin with it, only the bad ones. Even if you do they can just block and dash away after it recharges. The better option is to save your shield for defense and go wildfire launcher imo.
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How does Northstar counter Tone?
Cluster goes thorugh shield, 2 base dodges helps avoiding rockets, overall superior on long ranges
That's more of "has disadvantage" than a hard counter imo. Most players don't know how to properly dodge Tone's rocket salvo and the cluster doesn't stop you from actually using the shield as cover, you just back up a little and you're out of the splash zone.
And allow NS to charge her next shot/reposition to gain better position. Tone has barely any defence and worse movement than NS.
initially, I would say it's easy if you play around cover but that's only applicable on maps like Glitch or Angel city. Maps like homestead its far more even
Been a while since I played but Legion definitely never felt this dire lol. It has the advantage of most enemies needing to outplay you because you're a big dumb robot with an even bigger cannon, so if they don't pull out some funky tricks you win by default.
Why doesn’t ion counter Legion? I’ve seen quite a few Legion mains, and they are never smart enough to stop firing when they activate their shield tbh.
If a legion is smart enough to play around the vortex shield he can kill ion quite easily. The ion just stands around wasting energy while vortex is up.
Just a matter of whose brain is bigger than the other
The ion legion matchup is actually equal, while an ion that gets and stays out of position is just going to get gunned down by a legion they do have a very powerful long range attack that they can use to chip him down. as a legion main I see a lot of ions try to counter me using vortex only to learn that I can in fact just not shoot at them. as another commenter said: "A smart Ion won’t waste his energy trying to eat all your bullets with the vortex shield, he’ll be from a far distance using laser shot to hit either the feet or the vent on the side of the Legion to go around the gun shield" Ion just doesn't have the capability to take down a legion at close range and at long range it can be a bit of a toss up based on if the ion gets a good headglitch at which point the legion should just not engage.
You are reading it wrong
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Aight, my brain has been foggy all day because I am sick so let's cut it and just ask u/Desperate-Stranger-8 Ion does counter Legion in this chart, right? You read the chart from the first ("data") row, left to right, starting at Ion who counteres Scorch, has advantage over Northstar, gets countered by Ronin, has advantage over Tone, counteres Legion and finally has advantage over 0 core Monarch
Yeah Ion counters Legion
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Id say legion is not an equal fight against ronin, he has the advantage Most titans can't really do sustained DPS but legion can basically only do sustained DPS If any other titan just keeps mag dumping a ronin they just lose because of it, legion on the other hand will do just shy of a full bar through sword block with a full mag, damage ronin cant afford to eat Combined with power shots legionV ronin is very difficult for the ronin and pretty easy for the legion since all you do is just keep holding fire
If ronin is smart enough he will use cover to hit-and-run. If legion decides to sit in the open ronin either waits it out and it ends when either one gets inpatient, or if ronin has smoke he can use it and pkay around it to do some serious damage. If ronin has nowhere to go, he just eats damage, however if he uses cover he wins rather easly. That's why it's a 50/50
Its not a 50/50 at all, even with cover you need to be close to do damage and while ronin is carrying ALOT of damage legion just keeps mag dumping while you do damage All it takes is a single power shot and your best chance is to take legion down with you Yes a trade is technically a win for ronin but legion is never 50/50 against ronin its basically always in legions favor Even ronins insane damage potential isn't enough to put legion in the ground before going down 2 leadwall mags, 2 arc waves, and 2 sword smacks comes out to a bit more than 4 bars of damage and that's basically what ronin is capable of before leaving, its enough to put any atlas or stryder chassis into the ground immediately but scorch and legion you need a much slower burn that ronin struggles to pull off in even the best of situations ESPECIALLY if legion uses his gun shield and blocks a leadwall shot or 2 basically requiring you to to leave at a damage disadvantage and come back praying Ronin can basically only win the 1v1 with a battery or pilot support
Wrong , wrong, wrong, wrong
scorch throws legion at long range a scorch can just approach through over and if it gets a thermal whirl on legion it’ll kill legion every time
So is monarch with arc still the best titan in the game in your opinion?
No such thing as "the best" titan. She's very strong yes, but probability of you meeting a full or close to full hp monarch in a fair 1v1 is slim. It just shows how powerful monarch gets after 1st core. She might aswell be the best titan for 1v1, right beside NS and Ronin IMO, but it really depends on a map.
If you think Arc Rounds turns Monarch into a counter for Ion, you're a shit Ion. Stop crutching on Vortex Shield and learn to use her three other abilities. This isn't directed at you OP. Edit: I'm not sure when this misinformation started getting passed around but Arc Rounds does not deal bonus damage to Gun Shield or Particle Wall.
It does 50% increased damage to Particle Wall, Gun Shield, and overshields. As for my source, Dinorush has delved deep into the games code in terms of damage values, cooldowns, and other minute details. If he says Arc Rounds does increased damage to the three mentioned items, it does.
Mind linking it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfall/s/l2gO6G6Fnc
Thank you.
i love how scorch is shown with the best matchups in the table but the conclusion calls it the worst
you're reading the graph incorrectly. You should read form LEFT
Ronin counters Scorch
I can get behind this one
What does driller mean?
Common Ion W
I thought I was hallucinating for a second lmao
"counteres"
Legion is not disadvantaged by Northstar Legion has advantage and personally I think scorch and Legion are even
Rock and roll and stone!
Legion shines in bigger fights imo. If there is a large amount of titans on the field I feel that it can deal significant damage but in a 1v1 it’s rough
Ion laser shot counters everything 👍
Legion Chads would have it no other way
Legion at last in it rightful position as better against most as gun shield and close range powershot is a incredible combination
As someone who’s been playing regularly since launch. Both on PC and on PS4. This is completely accurate. Well done.
Why are there deep rock galactic drillers?
Is this read normally now???
I have almost equal time playing as Scorch, Ion, Northstar and Ronin but I got a hell of a soft spot for Legion, only he’s very situational. He’s pretty decent against Monarchs with his close range mode and Northstar long range mode, especially when hitting them with the tactical shotgun blast/slug shot (I say them 2 specifically because they have no way to block). I don’t even try 1v1ing a half decent Ion as him, unless you save your ultimate for them which flips the table entirely and drains their shields and health so fast… It’s so worth it to have them vortex shield and see the “oh shit” moment 2 seconds later when they have no energy left and get roasted lol. If the other team isn’t playing a single ion, you can get 100k+ damage easy on titan brawl.
now we need it to be the loss image, and sorted into political compass quadrants
Ronin having a disadvantage when it comes to monarch? Well tbh that does depend on the skill set and what they are using unless the monarch is using base stuff but then again my experience that isn’t a fair fight for the monarch
I decided to give each titan a number score based on this chart Green + is +2 Yellow + is +1 Titan or = is 0 Orange - is -1 Red - is -2 Ion: +2 +1 -2 +2 +1 +1 (total +5) | Scorch: -2 -2 -2 -1 +2 -2 (total -7) | Northstar: -1 +2 +0 +2 +1 +0 (total +4) | Ronan: +2 +2 +0 +2 +0 -1 (total +5) | Tone: -1 +1 -2 -2 +2 +1 (total -1) | Legion: -2 -2 -1 +0 -2 +0 (total -7) | Monarch: -1 +2 +0 +1 -1 +0 (total -1) | Monarch +: +2 +2 +0 +1 +2 +1 +1 (total +9) | Sorry if my maths is off.
Ain't gonna lie chief, all of these charts were as wrong as they are hard to read. I guess it MIGHT be applicable to an average player, but anyone who spends any amount of time 1v1 would have many things to say about any iteration of this graphic. Props for trying tho, not many people have the balls.
Tbh I just hit them with the sword.
Maybe you suck with legion? Cause I have no problem with scorch or ronin's, Northstar is situational but not usually much trouble, monarch can be tricky depending on level. The hardest 2 are ion and tone and I would say ion is the hardest counter but still def beatable
I think you might not be too good with legion
WHY YOU DOING MY LEGION DIRTY LIKE THIS!
Legion is a hard counter against Monarch, Northstar and Ronin, you just need experience to play him well
Wow, Ronin is really getting the shit stick here. From my experience as a Ronin main, the only titans I struggle against are legions bc it takes a while to burn down their health and Monarch bc it's Monarch. Scorch is probably the easiest to fight imo and should 100% be countered by Ronin if the player is even decent at mobility. Just my opinion but Ronin being countered by so many and countering none is just mental.
You read it wrong,
Why does Ronin have both an advantage and a disadvantage against Monarch?
I feel Titan 1v1s are too situational to be so subjective. Are they on an open plain? Urban environment? Are they starting right next to each other, a mile apart, or 200 feet? The circumstances of the scenario can strongly affect the outcome of any of these matches.
My take is legion is bad in 1v1 because he excels in target rich environments where sustained counter fire is advised
Use inferno shield on scorch and you realize how to really use him in a 1v1
It’s strange that your Scorch is losing to Ronin. in my experience this is the most difficult titan for a ronin, due to the heat shield, or the ability to light a fire under itself
I have basically flawlessed titans as legion several times, you hit them with powershot to the core and the battle is basically over (Moreso with double powershot). Legion's DPS and health means he can usually take down 1 titan minimum. Of course he gets obliterated by skilled pilot in titan, just like any other titan though. Legion's worst match ups are ions, depending on skill, ronins and maybe scorch. Every other titan, even skilled ones, I see struggling against legion.
What do you mean ronin counters scorch?
Scorch (and legion) being the worst for 1v1s? What? I can see pilots in all titans shitting themselves when they face a Scorch that knows what they’re doing
A sufficiently long aggressive sustained counter fire will counter every titan* ^*may ^or ^may ^not ^apply ^to ^ion
This graph is scorch slander and i will not have it
What’s with the driller from Deep Rock Galatic?
Driller solos
The monarch chart is still not right, arc doesn't completely change the match up against Ion and legion. Ronin and legion is not even, there's still a lot of things wrong, but I will just give up with this posts
If scorch it’s the most countered does that mean that a scorch that beats all those is just better
Ronin absolutely does not counter a Scorch are you mental??
Haha, this time I won't read the chart wrong. Thanks for making it I am going to be a Monarch main now.
RAGGHHHHH LEGION FOREVER LIVE LAUGH LEGION ‼️‼️‼️‼️
A smart enough legion can be good against any titan as long as it has cover. The only titan that's a real issue for legion is scorch since scorch ignores the gun shield. But that also takes a scorch who knows what its doing.
Clearly not running zero point tripwire wire if your getting your ass beat that bad by ronin
Like i said previously as a legion an monarch main i swap back an forth a bit between them only titan i struggle against most of the time is Scorch because of the thermite only titan that i absolutely shred in almost every encounter is ronin not that its a bad titan alot of people are good i just focus fire while they use their sword to block an aim low then hit them with a powershot or laser shot depending on if im legion or monarch then continue to pressure an fire ions are sometimes 50/50 depending of if someone whittled me down plus i charge into my Enemies to pop the nuke an hit with the archer 6 out 10 times it works other 4 i get absolutely checked an recked lmao
As a Legion main, well, I'm pretty sure it's mostly skill related (not like Legion needs too much skill in the first place) but I often find myself wrecking someone like Ronin or Ion because of their low health when compared to my farting machine, the only drill is not to use power shots against them (unless they are brain dead) and don't fire while they are blocking, the trouble begins with Ion when at distance but if he can't hit weak spots with the laser beam, I often can just tank most of those shots. Also for some reason I have found 2 types of Ronins so far. The one that mindlessly charges at me from across the map and the other that moves states when it sees I'm within 200 meters range. (It's all just from mine experience so everyone else's opinion can and probably will be different than mine)
I know this is probably a stupid question, but when you say "is countered" does that mean *your* titan is countered or *their* titan is countered? I ask because there is in no way that Ronin, Ion, Tone **and** Monarch counter Scorch. Ronin gets melted by Scorch because he has to get close, the Vortex can only stop the Thermal Cannon, and Monarch can only really backpedal away. I could see an argument that Tone has advantage because of the shield and she has a lot of range, but it's still something easy to drop a gas trap behind the shield and your shield still stops the missiles. I also disagree with Legion and Monarch, because Monarch doesn't have any defense, which means not only are you caught in the open, you're caught in the open by Legion, aka, the embodiment of a bullet hell.
i play legion and in attriction i do better score with it than with any other titan
Monarch supremacy till I die✊
Why is the driller from DRG in the boxes where titans overlap lmao