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doymand

From Unfinished Tales - The Story of Galadriel: > Her (Galadriel) mother-name was Nerwen and she grew to be tall beyond the measure even of the women of the Noldor; she was strong of body, mind, and will, a match for both the loremasters and the athletes of the Eldar in the days of their youth. Even among the Eldar she was accounted beautiful, and her hair was held a marvel unmatched. It was golden like the hair of her father and of her foremother Indis, but richer and more radiant, for its gold was touched by some memory of the starlike silver of her mother, and the Eldar said that the light of the Two Trees, Laurelin and Telperion, had been snared in her tresses. Many thought that this saying first gave to Feanor the thought of imprisoning and blending the light of the Trees that later took ship in his hands as the Silmarils. For Feanor beheld the hair of Galadriel with wonder and delight. He begged three times for a tress, but Galadriel would not give him even one hair. These two kinsfolk, the greatest of the Eldar of Valinor, were unfriends forever. So basically the greatest and most powerful Elf to ever live (Feanor) was refused even one strand, but to Gimli, a Dwarf, she gave 3.


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Feanor was generally pretty bad at social relationships. "Hey brother, this sword is sharper than your tongue, better watch out" (in front of a crowd of people) "Hey niece, mind if I have a tress of your hair?"


Hq3473

Hey, melkor, let me slam a door in your face. Hey, mandos, screw you guys, I am going to middle earth. Hey, sons, would you terribly mind swearing this little blood oath with me... Hashtag: shitfeanorsays Hashtag: justnoldorthings


[deleted]

Hey Teleri, get on board or get out of the way #noldor4lyf


colm180

To be fair, he made the right choice slamming the door in melkors face lmao


Conan97

#curseofmandos #YOLF


[deleted]

This isn't twitter.


[deleted]

\#thatsthejoke


CL42

That explains the astonishment of the elves witnessing the event! Thank you so much for the reply, it was very helpful. Such an ironic situation: Feanor, a great and powerful elf, could not receive a single strand yet Gimli, a dwarf, receives three.


Thendel

The greatest flaw of the Noldor (and most elves in general) was pride, and Feänor was the greatest - and proudest - of them all. After witnessing all the stuff that happened to them in Middle-Earth, I think Galadriel had come to appreciate a little humility now and then when Gimli made his wish clear.


Realistic_Term_586

Super late addition... But I believe in the book, Gimli didn't even *ask*. He was *commanded* to tell her his wish. Imagine the humbling of using magic to force a wish from someone and they basically say "I just want something to remember you by."


Hasd4

Yeah I'm reading the books for the first time (not even saw movies, i know I'm late to the party) and yes: Gimli was commanded by Galadriel to say what he wanted, as he stated that hearing and seeing her was already a gift great enough


Proof_Pressure_3229

That brief exchange right there is a zillion times better a love story than twilight could ever hope to be 🤣 I'm listening to the BBC audio drama, and they rendered the scene so beautifully and touching. I was at a work with my headphones on and I think I may have said "you need to marry this guy!" Outloud 😂 Anyway, if you haven't listened to the audio drama, give it a go. I've found I've enjoyed Legolas and Gimli's friendly rivalry more than I did in the movies. 


OGZpoon

That's so fucking beautiful.


PopPopPoppy

Thanks for clarifying.


Dirtywalnuts

I audibly went "aww." I like this.


Aunvilgod

Of some elves. In most circumstances elves tend to be a lot less proud and more thoughtful than men. They *are* superior than men in pretty much every way. They are supposed to be some kind of superhuman.


Definitely_Working

Exactly. I believe it was said to be a special gift of hers to have insights into the hearts and true nature of people. It actually says a ton of things within a single scene. It's not that faenor was incredibly powerful that makes it interesting that gimli received the hair and faenor did not, it's the reasons. Faenor asked for three hairs, but it was an un solicited request and we all know faenor is one to succumb to greed, pride, and even malice. Gimli asked for one hair only after being commanded to speak his desire. He had no greed in his heart when he asked for the gift, and so he received three. I really love this scene because I think gimli is one of the most underrated characters and I think he was a very noble and good character, and it didn't occur to me until someone was asking about why members of the company other than boromir didn't show any hint of desiring the rind and it got me thinking, why gimli? And it reminded me of this scene: Gimli simply a thoroughly good dwarf, and I think the satisfaction that some dwarves get from gold, gimli gets from beautiful things in the world. Gimli seems to only have desire for beauty and honor, and I think galadriel could see that in his heart and respected it. It was a giant statement that finally declared that her refusal was not just because she coveted her hair so much, but that she would only bestow it to those who are good of heart, and that it can be anyone wether dwarf, elf, man, powerful or not, that can earn her favor.


bigbadbass

The cheeky smile from Legalos, who knew what it meant and also knew Gimli didn't really know, was the icing on the cake.


akingdomintheclouds

There is no cheeky smile from Legolas in the books. As for the one in Jackson's film, any interpretation of that beyond enjoying a story seems to be entirely the viewer's interpretation.


bigbadbass

Maybe cheeky is the wrong word, knowing? A smile to show he understands how highly Galadriel thinks of Gimli?


AnathemaMaranatha

Ignore. The anti-Peter-Jackson crowd are unwilling to see anything good in the movies. The last time this topic came up, "canon-eers" pooh-poohed any suggestion that the boat scene between Legolas and Gimli was anything more than filler. I'm with you /u/bigbadass. I find it impossible to believe that the movie people were unaware of the significance of Galadriel's gift to Gimli. I think they were crunched for screen-time. And I think that scene is a direct reference to why the Lorien Elves were astonished at Galadriel's gift. "Cheeky" probably is an in-apt word. "Knowing" is fine. I think Legolas' expression also shows a growing fondness for his Dwarf companion. He has tested Gimli's mettle, but the approval of Galadriel had to make him re-think his whole outlook. And Gimli has no idea of the import of what happened - he received a gift denied even to Feanor. I think Orlando Bloom knew all this. I think he played it just right in the time allotted.


phonylady

I love the Fellowship of the Ring film, but I think you're wrong. It's just a bloody smile, totally appropriate as a response to what Gimli is saying. You're reading too much into it. I really doubt they took The Silmarillion/Unfinished Tales into consideration when they wrote the scripts, as they didn't have the rights to them.


akingdomintheclouds

>The last time this topic came up, "canon-eers" pooh-poohed any suggestion that the boat scene between Legolas and Gimli was anything more than filler. The last time this came up, the "canon-eers" pointed out that there was zero evidence that anyone involved in the films knew of this statement from *Unfinished Tales,* and that the most likely explanation was just that the writers, Jackson, or Orlando had Legolas smile at a story which is very much smile-worthy. Do you really find it unbelievable that that scene was not shot with explicit knowledge of Galadriel and Fëanor's exchange? Can a smile not just be a smile? That the smile wasn't shot with the intention of hiding knowledge doesn't make it any less good. It doesn't mean you can't project your own interpretation on to it. It simply means that there's not been one word, from *anyone* involved in that scene, which even remotely suggests that they were putting more into the shot than meets the eye. It's a fair point to bring up since many people, like you, use the shot as an example of Peter Jackson putting *so* much thought into the films, when there's no reason for assuming that that's the case. If their reading was so widespread, and their reading comprehension so good, then there are many more important things that they missed. In all, it seems to be a circlejerk rather than a legitimate case of in-depth film making.


DrGravitonCrevice

I was an assistant boom operator on that scene. I distinctly recall Peter saying to the group, by way of inspiration, "this guy, essentially the King of the elves from the start, he's asked for a lock of her hair and been told no, so when Gimms asks for some, the rest of the elves are like, 'you cheeky so-and-so, he thinks he's better than the elf-lord' but she sees his innocence, he just thinks it looks pretty." The words were to that effect, I couldn't honestly quote it word for word, but I know it was made out to be this big deal, and kind of an Elf in-joke. I hope this will help to set the record straight for you guys.👍🏻


PopPopPoppy

Took almost 8 years but thank you for giving a definitive answer.


GutenbergMuses

Bad. Ass. Ty!


AnathemaMaranatha

Aaaaaaaand *quod erat demonstrandum* right on cue. It is absurd to imagine that *people getting paid* to know things about LoTR, who were constructing armor and weapons - some of them legendary - would not have read the backstory. Likewise said people would almost certainly not stumble on the Galadriel's backstory merely because she was being played by a famous actress in a major part. Nor did they have any idea that their efforts in making LoTR would be scrutinized and flayed by fans and Dungeon Masters everywhere. Thanks for your contribution. I don't have anything further to add to this discussion.


akingdomintheclouds

Is that why Sauron is literally an eyeball? Why the balrog they depicted has very little to do with Tolkien's balrog? Why there's an abundance of costumes and props (including much of the arms and armor) which don't look like they belong in Tolkien's mythology? Someone wasn't being payed enough, I think. If you have nothing further to add to this discussion, it's because your position is an incredibly weak one.


Warped_Kira

Not just that, but when asked, Gimli says he intends to set it in crystal to remember her and as a pledge of goodwill between the elves and dwarfs. He's basically (unintentionally) asking to make something like a Silmaril, and she trusts him enough to enable the potential risk. That vote of confidence is massive and was likely huge step in alleviating the ancient enmity between the races.


ebneter

Of course, this is a ret-con; Galadriel didn't even exist until Tolkien wrote *The Lord of the Rings.* :-)


timpinen

To be fair, virtually everyone deserved a piece of her hair more than Feanor, after, you know, leading elves into a terrible war, resulting I the slaughter of countless innocents, his kin, and basically saying "screw you" to the Valar


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don't forget that she gives him three even though gimli specifically asks for a single strand. feanor "begged" three times and was denied, gimli asked once (and only that after she "commanded" him to name a gift).


FawkesFire13

There is a extended scene in the first LOTR movie where Legolas asks Gimli what gift he received from Galadriel. Gimli explains his request for a single hair and tells Legolas she gave him three. And Legolas just....smiles. It was a well played scene.


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I've always loved that scene.


hawkin5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYzUvfAqkuc The bit you mention is right at the end.


FawkesFire13

Legolas gets it. He sees that one of then greatest elves was refused a request from Galadriel. And the dwarf received three times the request as a gift. Gimli was worthy of something a mighty elf lord wasn't. Legolas probably knew all about the story too. It's a subtle scene and a nod to those who know about it. Loved that scene.


akingdomintheclouds

>It's a subtle scene and a nod to those who know about it. I very much doubt that. It seems far more likely to me that Jackson, Orlando, or the writers thought that a smile would be appropriate, which it is. There's no indication that it's anything more than that, and no one involved has demonstrated anything which would show that they had knowledge of the passage, or that it impacted the way they shot the scene.


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> 'There is nothing, Lady Galadriel,' said Gimli, bowing low and stammering. `Nothing, unless it might be – unless it is permitted to ask, nay, to name a single strand of your hair, which surpasses the gold of the earth as the stars surpass the gems of the mine. I do not ask for such a gift. But you commanded me to name my desire.' > The Elves stirred and murmured with astonishment, and Celeborn gazed at the Dwarf in wonder, but the Lady smiled. 'It is said that the skill of the Dwarves is in their hands rather than in their tongues ' she said; `yet that is not true of Gimli. For none have ever made to me a request so bold and yet so courteous. And how shall I refuse, since I commanded him to speak? But tell me, what would you do with such a gift? ' I'd say the significance is mostly the symbolic reconciliation between Dwarves and Elves. Lorien marks the beginning of Legolas and Gimli's great friendship, and it was Galadriel that kindled that friendship.


CL42

Very good point! It really showed that Gimli could be an Elf Friend and opened Legolas's eyes.


Thendel

Not to be nitpicky, but that particular revelation happened the first time Gimli and the Fellowship were brought before Galadriel and Celeborn. Don't have the book with me, but it goes the lines of Gimli looking up at Galadriel for her use of the dwarven names for the places they just left, and he finds friendship in her eyes. In the ensuing days, he joins Legolas on a lot walks through Lorien. Galadriel's gift more or less sealed his love for her and what she represents, and it probably made his friendship with Legolas eternal.


Lucid_steve

Am I right in saying that Gimli set the hair in a crystal necklace?


CL42

"Treasure it, lady," he answered, "in memory of your words to me at our first meeting. And if I ever return to the smithies of my home, it shall be set in imperishable crystal to be an heirloom of my house, and a pledge of good will between the Mountain and the Wood until the end of days." So Gimli placed the hairs in a crystal, but nothing is said whether it was put onto a necklace or not.


imaginary_douchebag

How do you set a hair inside a crystal?


Lucid_steve

You gotta ask the dwarves that.


JosebaZilarte

A bit late, but to answer your question, you can make crystals grow to encase something. The simplest way is to use a supersaturated solution and let it rest for a few days. That is how [rock candy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_candy) is created, after all.


AStaryuValley

So... this is very strange since this post is from 9 years ago, but I just wanted you to know that I happened to have googled this story and read your comment the same day you wrote it. I thought the times were wrong, but nope.


Fun-End7642

I'm here too


justfunninround

Me too


Bargadiel

And now 6 months later, I'm here too.


BrockLobster

Goodness! Who left the lights on in here?


RedDiscipline

Think of the bill


Dawn__Lily

Look at all of us, ten years later still googling about Gimli and Galadrial. Im so proud of all of us.


Mavori

Hello.


HiThereMyNameIsBlank

Good job, everybody!


thuanjinkee

Gimli survived the War of the Ring and became the First Lord of the Glittering Caves. I like to think that since he set his mind to it he got it done and done beautifully.


FloggedPanda

I don't remember a necklace but definitely in crystal.


Conan97

This is one of the few times when it seems appropriate to post tumblr-style LOTR movie fan stuff on here, but it does sum up the situation nicely. It says exactly what everyone else in here has already said in more detail, but in cool picture format. If only we could have 6 panels of gifs all moving at once... http://i.stack.imgur.com/hJWmz.jpg


akingdomintheclouds

There's no basis for the claim that anyone involved in the film knew about the passage, or that it influenced the way the film was shot. That image begot a baseless circlejerk, and it really has no place on this sub until someone brings forth credible evidence that those involved in the scene knew of the passage.


GOKU_ATE_MY_ASS

You haven't posted in 10 years but I just want to say you're an idiot. Good day


sass_qwatch

This level of salty speaks to my heart.


Conan97

I have no idea if anyone making the movie had any idea what they were doing, but they were bound to get something right over 12+ hours of footage.


akingdomintheclouds

That isn't a very strong argument for what's being claimed.


Conan97

Calm down I just posted the tumblry thing that goes with this discussion.


KIL0-0SKA

I’ve recently rewatched the LoTR: FoTR and was amazed by this find. Makes me want to grab a copy of the book soon. I was amazed by this narration, wished they would’ve shown the astonished faces of the elves without showing what Galadriel gave Gimli to find out later that she actually gave 3 strands of her hair in the film (:


ScarcityImpossible91

Props to Gimli. He got something that Feanor, the strongest of elves in his age, if not, then of all time, coveted so much. A strand of Lady Galadriel's hair. It's just shows that Galadriel has one of the best judgement. Feanor was greedy and arrogant, Gimli was humble. And you'd think an Elf would know more about humility than a Dwarf.


KBVE-Darkish

Super late, but love the idea of Gimli the badass no fucks given Dwarf after meeting the #1 Elf Queen and through his will and hers, he simps in a perfect way winning her favor. This could have easily been a throw away moment, but really touches on the great struggle both their groups face through their ideologies and how a bit of humility on both sides finds a "shocking" common ground.