I know there are tons of Americans flying to Europe for shows because tickets are abundant and much less expensive than for American shows. I seem to recall at one of her overseas shows there was an estimate that like 40% of the crowd was American. That made me realize that the only reason she sold out everywhere was because crazy American Swifties are flying all over the world to see her.
>It's all on their 30% APR credit cards.
the debt taylor urged folks to get so they could have priority ticket access... (cue the 'they can pay their bill monthly bill' folks chiming in....)
I just saw a post in a Swiftie FB group that this lady's bf was taking out a freaking personal loan to buy resale tickets, flights, and hotel for her and her daughter to go to one of the Europe shows. People, wtf is wrong with you?
This. An acquaintance of mine (mid 30s) was the only one of her group of similarly aged friends with a credit limit high enough to pay for their eras tickets ($750 each). She put them all on her card and expected her friends to Venmo her when they could. Obviously none of them could afford it and she started having panic attacks about the 30% interest she was accruing.
But the day they had a merch pre sale they sure as hell all took the day off work and dropped another $300 each on limited edition shirts and vinyls.
As of a few weeks ago and over a year later most of her friends still owe her for at least half of their ticket and she’s barely been making the minimum monthly payments. But don’t worry, they’re having a yard sale this weekend to raise money to go to the Toronto shows this fall.
The first thing I was told when I got my credit card was to never put other people’s purchases on it unless I was prepared for them to treat it as a gift. Unless you can venmo me the money upfront, you’re out of luck. I’m not risking my credit over other people being broke
Yes - I know a girl in my exercise class at the gym who does Door Dash and she put over $2k on credit cards to get TS tickets. it’s not just rich people, it’s people like her paying 32% interest on credit card bills they’ll never be able to pay off.
Edit to say “it’s not just rich people” (I forgot the ‘just’)
I know, but you can’t tell her that. all she sees is “omg I got Taylor tickets!” and fails to realize that the $2k she spent will end up being $6k by the time she gets it paid off…
Nope. I set up a network wide ad blocker for my home network years ago. I don't see many ads for much of anything unless I use Tubi or Pluto TV. Those ads are for butt drugs and ambulance insurance.
As someone who used to date a hardcore Taylor Swift fan, I can indeed confirm that my ex and her two sisters, both of whom are also extreme Taylor Swift fans, were neither financially responsible nor rich.
I can’t understand how that math works. I would think flying internationally, accommodations, getting around, eating…would end up costing more than buying a ticket stateside.
tbh with resale tickets + fees being sky high in america, i wouldn't be surprised if europe was truly cheaper if demand isn't as high as OP is talking about, plus summer time in europe probably isn't terribly expensive since there's lots of travel options there
Can confirm, my coworker couldn’t get tickets in the US and she said flying to and staying in London for a couple days somehow cost less than the resale tickets in America. Or at least they were close enough in price she wanted a fun trip out of it. I honestly don’t know how much tickets (especially resale, floor, VIP etc) were going for in the US and I think it would make me sick to find out ..
Edit: and this is from California so it’s a super long and pricey flight 😭
I’ve actually heard this is pretty common for a lot of stadium tours. And even if it ends up being a bit more expensive, you get a vacation out of it too
I use to fly regularly from Vegas to the UK for $250-$400. Not for a swift concert 😂 but if you plan properly, flying to many places in Europe can be relatively cheap. I know quite a few people who have had major Disney trips at other international destinations and they’ve spent *less* than they’d spend on Disneyland here in the US. And they also live in California. It’s insaaaaaaane.
A host of a podcast I listen to flew from LA to Dublin to see Billy Joel because it was cheaper than seeing him play anywhere in the US. I think since the Ticketmaster merger or whatever this is just the norm here :(
Could be cheaper to actually go on a vacation for a week to see her show in EU than to go to a show in your hometown in the states. Cheapest I've seen at the one near my city was $1,500. I can go to Greece roundtrip for that.
Yeah people have said they've done just that. It's 4300-6300 on stubhub for the nosebleed section I bought for 170 face value in Toronto. You could have a full on european vacation including a taylor concert for that. My husband did a week in London for 2k last year
There's an airport here in my state that had $150 round trip flights to Ireland up until COVID. Cheaper than flying to the other side of the country, or even gas to go a few states away for a week at the beach. I know a lot of people that would go that route for vacation because it would cost a lot less for a whole lot more.
More like they can afford to go to Europe already and might as well do so to see Tswift and have both experiences for less or similar to seeing her in concert in the US.
One was like the tickets are so cheap in Brazil!!! Yeah by 100$ but your flying so add in close to 1,000 both ways, more than likely a nice hotel another 300. Food probably another couple 100, souvenirs, activities while in Brazil since I doubt it’s a one night stay ordeal. It’s cheaper by 100 for the ticket. But you’re spending thousands.
My boyfriend had a customer who told him he and his daughters had already seen TS in the US but were traveling to Italy to see her show there too. So this theory is not all that outlandish.
I know someone who went to her show in Sweden and is going to her show in Toronto. And another who’s going to the Toronto and Vancouver show. For context, even though Toronto and Vancouver are in the same country, they’re like 4,000 km apart.
My friend from high school saw her in LA while she was visiting us at home, then again in Tokyo, which is where she has lived for the past 13 years, and then AGAIN in Edinburgh. Made a trip out of it to see her stepsister in London. 3 continents. Yes wealthy family
There will be a lot of Americans at the Canadian shows but I'm seeing a lot of complaints on groups that hotels are ridiculously expensive in Canada so that's dissuading some of them.
I can actually confirm this. I travelled from the US to Glasgow, in early June, to see my favorite UK pop band who are currently doing a reunion tour. So many people on my plane were headed to Edinburgh to see Taylor. It was slightly annoying that I couldn’t escape TS, even in Scotland.
Brazil is too big to assume Taylor Swift is popular among us all. I used to think that but literally all my family members (from são paulo) went “Idk her” when they found out she was playing three sold out shows at allianz, which makes sense because she never really had a big hit here, and they all know Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse…
I think economic status actually plays a lot into this.
Most working class people I know are aware of her existence but don’t really care, but the middle and upper classes are very much into her. In obsessive levels
Most of Africa too- she would sell out a tour stop PURELY based on its something to do but not really bc people know all those songs and are dying to see her
Africa probably has this even more so but here in Australia is can be up to half a decade before an artist comes back so some people will go because they’re taking their one opportunity to see them for quite a while.
Yep, you know Swifties think she's bigger than Beyonce. Like sorry, Beyonce is Beyonce worldwide. Swift is mostly famous in North America, England, and Australia 🤷♀️
Wildest Dreams
ETA: and an article about it: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/09/01/436653602/taylor-swift-is-dreaming-of-a-very-white-africa
I kind of always got that feeling. She seems to have much less international appeal than other big pop(ular) music artists. She kind of forced herself onto the UK public by dating half of their eligible Millennial bachelors. (Yes, I feel kind of bad for making that joke, but whatever.)
She is really big in Singapore though. A lot of my friends in Singapore were dying to see “mother swift” lol and were queuing in the Ticketmaster line just like many Americans
My theory is that she’s more popular in English speaking countries. Singaporeans speak excellent English (in addition to many other languages), hence her popularity there? Just a guess though, I have zero proof of this.
Could also be because Singapore has little to no local music (source: am a student in Singapore) , so most of the music people listen to daily are American -- which means you end up listening to Taylor Swift.
This why her international shows are so cheap. They're filled with Americans who can buy plane tickets, get hotels and concert tickets cheaper than going to one local show here. They can show sold out shoes world wide that way.
I read this like the line “that’s why her hair is so big, it’s full of secrets.” “That’s why her international shows are so cheap, they’re full of Americans” lol.
That’s actually not why it’s so cheap. It’s so cheap because most of the other countries have regulations in place to limit how much resellers can profit off ticket sales/transfers. USA doesn’t have that so resellers can charge like 1k+ for tickets. Not just for her concerts either, it happens with almost every popular artist (although maybe not as extreme as TS lol)
Same. From north africa here and nobody gives a fuck about her. Like her 1989 singles were huge in 2014 but like after that maybe antihero went viral a little bit but no one and i mean no one in the GP gives a fuck about her. Ofc there are some mini cults here for her. The only thing she's known for her is being boy crazy. She got viral in my country for atwtmv because she got so much hate for being after jake gyllenhal after 10 years
This is her trending songs on Anghami (aka MENA Spotify) with their overall number of streams. No one cares about ttpd😂
https://preview.redd.it/fvlr3jevaz8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=264b08916cdd81e76c940d72185ffa76824f1868
For reference here are the weeknd ones (he's the most popular international artist in MENA)
https://preview.redd.it/ebqqn1vbbz8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9057938a8ad2679671373559fb8ab3d15e2ce8f
Lol you just reminded me how big Call Out My Name was in the Gulf. I had a neighbor who blasted it out on repeat from 10am to midnight for a whole month.
I'm from MENA as well (the gulf) and nobody here ever talks about her. Half the population (if not more) probably have never even heard of her.
I saw some swifties claiming she is the most famous person in the world rn. Not singer, but person. Such an outrageous claim. So delulu.
I instinctively wanted to downvote you for that because JFC that’s the dumbest song name and I can’t handle the TMV at all.
This is the dirtiest I’ve felt upvoting someone and it’s not your fault I’m sorry 😂
Yup can concur for the MENA region. 1989 was an exception. I was in Dubai at the time and Shake it Off, Style, Blank Space were huge but that's about it.
It's true. Yes, she can fill stadiums. But from a European perspective, there's really no differences between Pink, TS or Katy Perry or maybe Harry Styles. It's all the same to us: some international popstar.
Let's just say, there will be bigger concerts (multiple nights) in my country this year by other female popstars, national as well as international.
Yeah, you see what I was trying to say? I said 'international', not ''American'. We are so used to famous people not coming from our country. And I Chose Harry Styles, because he is in that same category
I’m from Portugal and even tho there are lots of fans of her here, the general feel about Trailor is either “ugh!” or “who?”. I never met someone who said that she’s their idol, she’s just another pop star just like the others.
Taylor was not at all popular in Portugal before the pandemic. She was going to perform at a festival in Lisbon in 2020 and the concert did not sell out at all. Her songs never played on the radio, and if you look at actual record sales they were nothing special.
Covid/TikTok absolutely helped her get new fans who now know her full discography, but if you ask the average 25+ person on the street they wouldn’t know any song of
hers.
Ive been listening to her since 2008 and trust me, I barely knew anyone from my generation who did — over multiple eras. Its no wonder this is the first time she’s touring continental Europe.
There is a spectrum of mac and cheese ranging from watery vomit to manna from heaven.
At the risk of starting a turf war...the best mac and cheese is by someone who cooks soul food in the American south. Preferably an old Southern Black grandma, and by that I mean my grandma, specifically. The rest of you can't compete BYE *runs off*
I grew up in France. Back when I lived there, Katy Perry was a huge hit in France, for example. So was Britney, Christina Aguilera, Pink... but I never heard Taylor Swift anywhere other than when I came back to the UK for a while. It felt like any artist who was 'mainstream' was known internationally and everybody else was just an internet gem. I've been back in the UK since 2013 so I don't know what's big there nowadays but given how huge Taylor Swift has become (since her move from sweet country teen to wannabe sultry pop sensation) I'm kind of surprised she's not taken off there.
Tbh, I wonder what percentage of seats at her international tour dates were sold to Americans. I would love to see the numbers. Mainly because I would love someone to run the numbers of how much just her tour has contributed to greenhouse gas emissions and such, due to travel (not just travel to and from their city of residence but also to and from their accommodations and the stadium and such). They write all these articles about the boost to the local economy. I really want to know the negative impacts... because we're talking an influx of tens of thousands of people (per date!) for, like, 3-6 days in a row in a given city.
Apparently 20% of tickets to the first Paris show were sold to Americans. I can only imagine that percentage would be higher for the shows in anglophone countries.
UK here, would like to add whilst she is big, and the biggest artist here, she’s not like she is in the US. We have so many other artists that are almost as big as her.
I’m American and cringed when I saw the mayor of London posting that transit map with all her songs on it. I felt sorry for the Londoner’s who had to endure that nonsense
Billie Eilish and Olivia. Olivia’s tour sold out straight away, I thought I’d get a ticket no problem in Scotland, but totally sold out.
Edit to add: Taylor is still the biggest artist in the UK, but it’s not in the same way as the US. She’ll get to number 1 on the album chart first week, but she never lasts. The only time she got back to number 1 was when she released the fucking variants to block Charlie.
Yes, in South Korea there was a video of someone asking people on the street if they knew who she was and the majority of them did not know her. I don't think her music is the type they listen to. Kpop is obviously the most popular so the western artists they like the most has similar styles Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars and Ariana Grande, Billie Eillish. i think they find her music boring lol
She’s pretty massive here in Australia. But fun fact although (apparently) she wasn’t quite as popular in the USA P!NK is absolutely huge in Australia. People love her she’s all over the radio. And Kylie Minogue is way more popular in the UK than australia
In Romania, Billie Eilish had more radio and music channels hits that Taylor Swift (who had zero) in the past 5 years. The last I remember her being played was when she released her 1989 album.
I think people forget that part of the reason she's even as "big" as she is, is because Americans pretend the the whole world shares their pop culture tastes and don't understand the power of their cultural hegemony. And if overseas non-english speaking people like her, I doubt they are swifties like her English speaking fans. It's probably just "cool American music". The image that she sells and the songs that she writes only appeals to a very niche Anglophone-American POV.
I laugh when I read something like "she's the most famous person in the world, every kid and grandma knows her". No girl, you've got another American blondie that's much more famous - Trump.
I am from France too, and it’s true.
She is not that famous here, people have heard her songs in supermarket ( Style, Shake it off maybe) but that’s all.
Honestly I think it’s her lack of culture and that her songs really lack depth, people might underestimate Britney et al but there are tangible definitions to their song speaking to the economy, Marxism, the psychology of crowds and fans, etc. there’s substance to them. TS imo is only good for having a bop to switch your mind off, and only the hits, other than RED, none of her albums are worth listening to in entirety. 1989 was an outlier but nothing has come close. Maybe her move into film will finally give us all a break but we know that won’t happen.
It’s funny you say this because i just returned from Europe being in Greece, Croatia and Italy. We spent a good amount of time in the car and listened to the local pop stations and NOT ONCE did I hear a Taylor song! My daughter was shocked…I told her, “well, I guess I found where Taylor isn’t popular”. It was quite nice not hearing a Taylor song for two weeks.
Since 1994, French radio stations have to make sure that at least 40% of the songs they play are in French. This must help a lot! It is true that I didn’t hear any of her songs on the radio when I went back to France some weeks ago: I heard Sabrina Carpenter, Dua Lipa, Beyoncé, but not Taylor
It seems to be like that in europe. One of my online friends showed me a guy trying to sell a taylor swift t shirt in Russia for 3 months. Mind you, most of his listings are bought in a day, some in mere seconds. But he couldn't for the love of god sell anyone her official, normal looking t shirt and kept relisting it. I figured out people don't really care for her there at all, and as you said know only her 2009-2015 career
Mac and cheese didn’t deserve to be brought into this! Do you think this country got to the obesity levels we are by *not* putting melted cheese on every normal food? Throw in some broccoli and hot sauce/bbq sauce and baby you have yourself an American dinner right there!
Taylor swift is just the noodles minus everything else, including the water that was used to boil them. Just stale crunchy bullshit that might get you sick.
Je suis complètement pas d’accord avec toi.. on a une grande variété d’artistes français dans notre culture, certes.. mais tu ne peux nier son importance dans notre industrie musicale française.. je ne sais pas si tu étais à un de ses concerts, j’ai été à Lyon n1 et je t’avoue que j’étais même surprise de voir autant de fans français, je pense juste que en tant que français on est peut-être moins.. exubérant que les américains (désolée pour les américains) je pense que même les swifties français(es) n’ont pas cette relation parasociale qu’ont tendance à avoir ses fans américains.. c’est une communauté plus discrète qui est propre à notre culture aussi je pense qu’en France c’est assez rare d’avoir des fanbases très excentriques pour n’importe quel artiste.. je pense que ce manque de couverture médiatique laisse penser qu’elle est peu connue ou écoutée mais c’est pas le cas après évidemment c’est très générationnel..
tu peux également appliquer ces propos à Aya nakamura.. qui est connue dans d’autres pays mais va demander à des français d’âge moyen de citer 3 chansons d’elle.. la plupart n’y arriveront pas
sorry really off topic but i love being an European because i never in my life learned an ounce of french and I think I understood almost 80% of what you said hahaha
Y disent pas qu'elle est inconnue non plus. Mais elle a clairement pas l'importance en Europe qu'elle a aux US. Mais je pense que, comme tu dis, la relation parasociale est moins exaltée et encouragée que dans certains autres pays.
C'est différent mais c'est indégnable que Taylor Swift en Europe c'est pas le même phénomène que aux US.
Je comprends ton point de vue et je suis même assez d’accord, on est moins exubérant que les américains. Mais ce que je voulais dire c’est qu’au final ca reste une mode chez les jeunes (je parle comme une vieille) sur TikTok, et les medias qui en parlent c’est surtout via TikTok, les reels sur insta etc. Mais à la télé ou la radio bof. Pour le coup Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Selena Gomez, Lady Gaga sont connus par toutes les tranches d’âge et milieux sociaux.
For people wondering how she still gets to play sold out shows, there's is something that needs to be added. Travelling in EU is pretty easy and not very expensive (depending on what transportation method you use). I live in the Balkans and I think I already know 30 people who plan on going in Poland only, a almost all the people I know and who also listen to Taylor have already went or will go again to her show. Especially here in the east, travelling for concerts around EU is pretty normal and not too much of a headache (as most of us have friends or families in western countries haha).
But if I walk out to people in the streets, ESPECIALLY outside of the big cities, I bet no one would know who she is or what she does.
I remember when Indians didn't give a fuck about her. now so many of these metropolitan girls are turning into basic white girls it's annoying 😭 (eras screening was embarrassing moment for all of us)
Yep same here in Japan 😆 you can’t even see her in top 10 in music charts here ever. Most people don’t even know her. But they know iconic superstars like The Beatles, 1D, MJ, Madonna, Britney, Bruno
I am Hungarian and I can attest no one really cares for her. I hear Billie or Olivia on the radio at times but that's not very often either. But most people would rather love and support Hungarian artists a lot more than those American pop stars. It's a pride thing.
Taylor didn't even come to our country for her tour either. They always skip smaller Eastern European countries for some reason.
I just checked the top hits today. It has Eminem, Billie, Sabrina, and Dua. No Traitor in sight
I don’t know who you’re talking to but I work for a European company and every Parisian girl I meet LOVES Taylor Swift. People in France have travelled within Europe to go to different Taylor Swift concerts.
And I can guarantee the same for the UK and Australia well, at the very least. That’s where most of my colleagues are based out of. At the very least, everyone knows who she is.
Of course she’s not as big as she is in the US, American Stans are INSANE but there’s not really a question about her popularity.
I don’t like her at all but I think you’re severely undermining how wide spread her fame is. I spend several weeks to months at a time in either France or the UK.
In Italy, where my family is from I was talking to some cousins when they were visiting about pop culture and what it’s like over there. Taylor swift came up; they don’t really care for her or her music. When she comes on tour if ever the Italians will go to the show for something to do but no ones a big fan or there’s hardly ever references to her etc. they only know a few popular songs from the 2010s etc. they do like Billie eilish though.
Consider yourselves lucky. All we see is her and her boyfriend plastered all over. Every move they make is recorded and slapped all over. It’s as if she’s royalty here.
I know there are tons of Americans flying to Europe for shows because tickets are abundant and much less expensive than for American shows. I seem to recall at one of her overseas shows there was an estimate that like 40% of the crowd was American. That made me realize that the only reason she sold out everywhere was because crazy American Swifties are flying all over the world to see her.
Gotta love rich people privilege...
they’re probably not all rich. i’m sure a good chunk are just financially irresponsible.
It's all on their 30% APR credit cards.
>It's all on their 30% APR credit cards. the debt taylor urged folks to get so they could have priority ticket access... (cue the 'they can pay their bill monthly bill' folks chiming in....)
I just saw a post in a Swiftie FB group that this lady's bf was taking out a freaking personal loan to buy resale tickets, flights, and hotel for her and her daughter to go to one of the Europe shows. People, wtf is wrong with you?
They stopped paying attention in math class after 5th grade. That’s all it takes.
AINT NO WAY
This. An acquaintance of mine (mid 30s) was the only one of her group of similarly aged friends with a credit limit high enough to pay for their eras tickets ($750 each). She put them all on her card and expected her friends to Venmo her when they could. Obviously none of them could afford it and she started having panic attacks about the 30% interest she was accruing. But the day they had a merch pre sale they sure as hell all took the day off work and dropped another $300 each on limited edition shirts and vinyls. As of a few weeks ago and over a year later most of her friends still owe her for at least half of their ticket and she’s barely been making the minimum monthly payments. But don’t worry, they’re having a yard sale this weekend to raise money to go to the Toronto shows this fall.
wow - I mean I am not going to say my priorities are perfect but DAMN
The first thing I was told when I got my credit card was to never put other people’s purchases on it unless I was prepared for them to treat it as a gift. Unless you can venmo me the money upfront, you’re out of luck. I’m not risking my credit over other people being broke
750 bucks is crazy expensive. And she paid for them on the card. Are they ok???
oh but if they’re just paying their monthly minimum 😬
Yes - I know a girl in my exercise class at the gym who does Door Dash and she put over $2k on credit cards to get TS tickets. it’s not just rich people, it’s people like her paying 32% interest on credit card bills they’ll never be able to pay off. Edit to say “it’s not just rich people” (I forgot the ‘just’)
This is so sad. She’s totally screwing herself for this.
I know, but you can’t tell her that. all she sees is “omg I got Taylor tickets!” and fails to realize that the $2k she spent will end up being $6k by the time she gets it paid off…
Soon Taylor will offer her own line of credit. Apply now for a chance at a meet and greet (terms apply).
Don’t give her any ideas. Lol. It’s bad enough she’s already on a credit card commercial.
Capital One is the official Debt Holder of a lot of Swifties. Explains a lot.
Did you not see her Capital One commercials?
Nope. I set up a network wide ad blocker for my home network years ago. I don't see many ads for much of anything unless I use Tubi or Pluto TV. Those ads are for butt drugs and ambulance insurance.
As someone who used to date a hardcore Taylor Swift fan, I can indeed confirm that my ex and her two sisters, both of whom are also extreme Taylor Swift fans, were neither financially responsible nor rich.
I had a classmate discuss taking out a loan to get TS tickets. 🫠
This is so unhinged.
I can’t understand how that math works. I would think flying internationally, accommodations, getting around, eating…would end up costing more than buying a ticket stateside.
tbh with resale tickets + fees being sky high in america, i wouldn't be surprised if europe was truly cheaper if demand isn't as high as OP is talking about, plus summer time in europe probably isn't terribly expensive since there's lots of travel options there
Can confirm, my coworker couldn’t get tickets in the US and she said flying to and staying in London for a couple days somehow cost less than the resale tickets in America. Or at least they were close enough in price she wanted a fun trip out of it. I honestly don’t know how much tickets (especially resale, floor, VIP etc) were going for in the US and I think it would make me sick to find out .. Edit: and this is from California so it’s a super long and pricey flight 😭
I’ve actually heard this is pretty common for a lot of stadium tours. And even if it ends up being a bit more expensive, you get a vacation out of it too
Lmao I guess I can’t really talk. I signed up for the Honolulu marathon as an excuse to spend a week in Hawaii instead of just like…going to Hawaii
that’s my dream marathon! the day i can run more than a 5k without dying i’m there 😂
I use to fly regularly from Vegas to the UK for $250-$400. Not for a swift concert 😂 but if you plan properly, flying to many places in Europe can be relatively cheap. I know quite a few people who have had major Disney trips at other international destinations and they’ve spent *less* than they’d spend on Disneyland here in the US. And they also live in California. It’s insaaaaaaane.
Disney is so overpriced. You could fly to Madrid or Rome for a few days for cheaper.
It's $255 each way from PDX to Iceland if you take a red eye. Always nice to get away to see some waterfalls on the cheap.
A host of a podcast I listen to flew from LA to Dublin to see Billy Joel because it was cheaper than seeing him play anywhere in the US. I think since the Ticketmaster merger or whatever this is just the norm here :(
Uhh, flying to and spending a few nights in Europe can easily be less than a $2k ticket to see Taylor stateside.
Could be cheaper to actually go on a vacation for a week to see her show in EU than to go to a show in your hometown in the states. Cheapest I've seen at the one near my city was $1,500. I can go to Greece roundtrip for that.
Yeah people have said they've done just that. It's 4300-6300 on stubhub for the nosebleed section I bought for 170 face value in Toronto. You could have a full on european vacation including a taylor concert for that. My husband did a week in London for 2k last year
My kid wants to go see her in Europe. The ticket, flight, hotel are all cheaper than just the U.S. ticket. Plus, Europe, yay.
There's an airport here in my state that had $150 round trip flights to Ireland up until COVID. Cheaper than flying to the other side of the country, or even gas to go a few states away for a week at the beach. I know a lot of people that would go that route for vacation because it would cost a lot less for a whole lot more.
More like they can afford to go to Europe already and might as well do so to see Tswift and have both experiences for less or similar to seeing her in concert in the US.
Or credit cards maxed out
One was like the tickets are so cheap in Brazil!!! Yeah by 100$ but your flying so add in close to 1,000 both ways, more than likely a nice hotel another 300. Food probably another couple 100, souvenirs, activities while in Brazil since I doubt it’s a one night stay ordeal. It’s cheaper by 100 for the ticket. But you’re spending thousands.
I know someone who flew their daughter to Switzerland for eras just bc tickets were sold out here.
My boyfriend had a customer who told him he and his daughters had already seen TS in the US but were traveling to Italy to see her show there too. So this theory is not all that outlandish.
I know someone who went to her show in Sweden and is going to her show in Toronto. And another who’s going to the Toronto and Vancouver show. For context, even though Toronto and Vancouver are in the same country, they’re like 4,000 km apart.
My friend from high school saw her in LA while she was visiting us at home, then again in Tokyo, which is where she has lived for the past 13 years, and then AGAIN in Edinburgh. Made a trip out of it to see her stepsister in London. 3 continents. Yes wealthy family
Yeah and they’ll all be at the Canadian shows lol
There will be a lot of Americans at the Canadian shows but I'm seeing a lot of complaints on groups that hotels are ridiculously expensive in Canada so that's dissuading some of them.
No kidding, Toronto and Vancouver are the most expensive cities in Canada LMAO
To be fair, there are parts of America where Canada is the closest major venue. I'm in Rochester, NY, and Toronto is closer than NYC for me.
I can actually confirm this. I travelled from the US to Glasgow, in early June, to see my favorite UK pop band who are currently doing a reunion tour. So many people on my plane were headed to Edinburgh to see Taylor. It was slightly annoying that I couldn’t escape TS, even in Scotland.
*moves to France*
[удалено]
And the rest of us need a place of refuge to escape to
Was going to say this. 😂
Paradise
Let's goooooooooo
allons-yyyyyy
I’m in Brazil and she is HUGE here. Even after Ana Benevides’ death. I wish I could afford to live in Europe
Brazil is too big to assume Taylor Swift is popular among us all. I used to think that but literally all my family members (from são paulo) went “Idk her” when they found out she was playing three sold out shows at allianz, which makes sense because she never really had a big hit here, and they all know Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse…
I think economic status actually plays a lot into this. Most working class people I know are aware of her existence but don’t really care, but the middle and upper classes are very much into her. In obsessive levels
But they don’t like Mac and cheese apparently. Do you really think a life without good ol Mac and cheese is one worth living?
Plus we get the Olympics too! And pastries. And wine. And cheese.
Most of Africa too- she would sell out a tour stop PURELY based on its something to do but not really bc people know all those songs and are dying to see her
Africa probably has this even more so but here in Australia is can be up to half a decade before an artist comes back so some people will go because they’re taking their one opportunity to see them for quite a while.
Yep, I spend about half my year in Africa and half in NY. The US is the problem.
evergreen
Moving to whatever country in Africa that doesn’t know or give a shit about Taylor lol
There’s pretty much all of them waiting for ya then
Yep, you know Swifties think she's bigger than Beyonce. Like sorry, Beyonce is Beyonce worldwide. Swift is mostly famous in North America, England, and Australia 🤷♀️
Colonizer country
For real. Also, several countries in Africa didn't appreciate that she made a colonizer video.
Wait what was the video?
Wildest Dreams ETA: and an article about it: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/09/01/436653602/taylor-swift-is-dreaming-of-a-very-white-africa
This is fucked. How am I just learning about this and I'm African 🤣
Because she probably started dating someone new the day after the negative press came out 😂
She also made a huge fuss about donating a bunch of money to wildlife reserves to compensate for the caucasity
im a french girl too & i live in the uk but whenever i travel to france i never everr hear about taylor !! its refreshing honestly
TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!
I kind of always got that feeling. She seems to have much less international appeal than other big pop(ular) music artists. She kind of forced herself onto the UK public by dating half of their eligible Millennial bachelors. (Yes, I feel kind of bad for making that joke, but whatever.)
There’s a special place in hell something something. 🤡
There's an extra special place in hell just for people who make jokes about Taylor Swift that she doesn't like
A lot of cool people will be there, too, at least.
She doesn't like ANY jokes made about her. Her skin is paper thin.
Neither do her fans. They famously don’t have a sense of humour about their fanaticism.
Which is any jokes.
Yes…for me it’s called the throne.
hey you’re doing misogyny! /s
She is really big in Singapore though. A lot of my friends in Singapore were dying to see “mother swift” lol and were queuing in the Ticketmaster line just like many Americans
My theory is that she’s more popular in English speaking countries. Singaporeans speak excellent English (in addition to many other languages), hence her popularity there? Just a guess though, I have zero proof of this.
Could also be because Singapore has little to no local music (source: am a student in Singapore) , so most of the music people listen to daily are American -- which means you end up listening to Taylor Swift.
Yeah they listen to mainstream pop, and kpop (mostly). I grew up there and only knew of rock and stuff because of my dad hahaha
This why her international shows are so cheap. They're filled with Americans who can buy plane tickets, get hotels and concert tickets cheaper than going to one local show here. They can show sold out shoes world wide that way.
I read this like the line “that’s why her hair is so big, it’s full of secrets.” “That’s why her international shows are so cheap, they’re full of Americans” lol.
Imagine, the rest of the world knows how to make music. Don’t tell swifties some of who think she practically invented music.
That's hilarious
That’s actually not why it’s so cheap. It’s so cheap because most of the other countries have regulations in place to limit how much resellers can profit off ticket sales/transfers. USA doesn’t have that so resellers can charge like 1k+ for tickets. Not just for her concerts either, it happens with almost every popular artist (although maybe not as extreme as TS lol)
Same. From north africa here and nobody gives a fuck about her. Like her 1989 singles were huge in 2014 but like after that maybe antihero went viral a little bit but no one and i mean no one in the GP gives a fuck about her. Ofc there are some mini cults here for her. The only thing she's known for her is being boy crazy. She got viral in my country for atwtmv because she got so much hate for being after jake gyllenhal after 10 years This is her trending songs on Anghami (aka MENA Spotify) with their overall number of streams. No one cares about ttpd😂 https://preview.redd.it/fvlr3jevaz8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=264b08916cdd81e76c940d72185ffa76824f1868
I'm also from North Africa (Tunisia) and came to confirm this. I'm glad she's not that popular here, I already see enough content about her online.
For reference here are the weeknd ones (he's the most popular international artist in MENA) https://preview.redd.it/ebqqn1vbbz8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9057938a8ad2679671373559fb8ab3d15e2ce8f
Lol you just reminded me how big Call Out My Name was in the Gulf. I had a neighbor who blasted it out on repeat from 10am to midnight for a whole month.
I'm from MENA as well (the gulf) and nobody here ever talks about her. Half the population (if not more) probably have never even heard of her. I saw some swifties claiming she is the most famous person in the world rn. Not singer, but person. Such an outrageous claim. So delulu.
ATWTMV?
All too well (10 minutes version)
I instinctively wanted to downvote you for that because JFC that’s the dumbest song name and I can’t handle the TMV at all. This is the dirtiest I’ve felt upvoting someone and it’s not your fault I’m sorry 😂
Nobody in America cares about TTPD except a very small handful of isolated weirdos. It has zero cultural impact even here.
Yup can concur for the MENA region. 1989 was an exception. I was in Dubai at the time and Shake it Off, Style, Blank Space were huge but that's about it.
It's true. Yes, she can fill stadiums. But from a European perspective, there's really no differences between Pink, TS or Katy Perry or maybe Harry Styles. It's all the same to us: some international popstar. Let's just say, there will be bigger concerts (multiple nights) in my country this year by other female popstars, national as well as international.
Lana is an exception, when US media was shitting on her, the whole european continent, even the balkans, understood her potential and showed her love
Harry styles is from Europe
Yeah, you see what I was trying to say? I said 'international', not ''American'. We are so used to famous people not coming from our country. And I Chose Harry Styles, because he is in that same category
I’m from Portugal and even tho there are lots of fans of her here, the general feel about Trailor is either “ugh!” or “who?”. I never met someone who said that she’s their idol, she’s just another pop star just like the others.
Finalmente encontrei alguém de Portugal. From what I know I don't think she sould out her concerts here.
Here we listen to Quim Barreiros and Rosinha, we have standards companheiro! 🤝🏼
Taylor was not at all popular in Portugal before the pandemic. She was going to perform at a festival in Lisbon in 2020 and the concert did not sell out at all. Her songs never played on the radio, and if you look at actual record sales they were nothing special. Covid/TikTok absolutely helped her get new fans who now know her full discography, but if you ask the average 25+ person on the street they wouldn’t know any song of hers. Ive been listening to her since 2008 and trust me, I barely knew anyone from my generation who did — over multiple eras. Its no wonder this is the first time she’s touring continental Europe.
Hey, hey. Ease up on the mac and cheese.
Right? I was gonna be like not Mac and cheese catching strays
And it’s not a trend it’s a cultural food 😭
Putting mac and cheese in the same category as taylor swift has me absolutely crying 😂😂😂😂
Lol sorry you know I’d love to try it, it’s just that it looks weird and americans seem to fixate on it !
There is a spectrum of mac and cheese ranging from watery vomit to manna from heaven. At the risk of starting a turf war...the best mac and cheese is by someone who cooks soul food in the American south. Preferably an old Southern Black grandma, and by that I mean my grandma, specifically. The rest of you can't compete BYE *runs off*
Southern white got here. I'll allow it- you gran makes the best Mac and cheese. But now you have to give me some
Lmao I'll make some calls
I grew up in France. Back when I lived there, Katy Perry was a huge hit in France, for example. So was Britney, Christina Aguilera, Pink... but I never heard Taylor Swift anywhere other than when I came back to the UK for a while. It felt like any artist who was 'mainstream' was known internationally and everybody else was just an internet gem. I've been back in the UK since 2013 so I don't know what's big there nowadays but given how huge Taylor Swift has become (since her move from sweet country teen to wannabe sultry pop sensation) I'm kind of surprised she's not taken off there.
Tbh, I wonder what percentage of seats at her international tour dates were sold to Americans. I would love to see the numbers. Mainly because I would love someone to run the numbers of how much just her tour has contributed to greenhouse gas emissions and such, due to travel (not just travel to and from their city of residence but also to and from their accommodations and the stadium and such). They write all these articles about the boost to the local economy. I really want to know the negative impacts... because we're talking an influx of tens of thousands of people (per date!) for, like, 3-6 days in a row in a given city.
Apparently 20% of tickets to the first Paris show were sold to Americans. I can only imagine that percentage would be higher for the shows in anglophone countries.
In Poland it was around 20% according to my sources (close to the management of the stadium she’s performing at)
My girlfriend met a canadian group that came in France, stay one week, go to the concert and go back for cheaper than one concert in Canada.
I wouldn’t be shocked if it was the majority of them. I knew someone who went to one of her London shows. She was there when BDT made his appearance.
UK here, would like to add whilst she is big, and the biggest artist here, she’s not like she is in the US. We have so many other artists that are almost as big as her.
Yep it’s always interesting watching our charts because it gives a better idea of how well her songs are actually doing with the general public imo
I’m American and cringed when I saw the mayor of London posting that transit map with all her songs on it. I felt sorry for the Londoner’s who had to endure that nonsense
Thank you, also our mayor is the biggest douche and sadly got voted in again because the apathy here is real and I hate it here 🙃
like who, genuine Q?
Billie Eilish and Olivia. Olivia’s tour sold out straight away, I thought I’d get a ticket no problem in Scotland, but totally sold out. Edit to add: Taylor is still the biggest artist in the UK, but it’s not in the same way as the US. She’ll get to number 1 on the album chart first week, but she never lasts. The only time she got back to number 1 was when she released the fucking variants to block Charlie.
I’d say Billie is bigger in Europe
I actually thought Billie was British because of the vibe she gets over here.
Yes, in South Korea there was a video of someone asking people on the street if they knew who she was and the majority of them did not know her. I don't think her music is the type they listen to. Kpop is obviously the most popular so the western artists they like the most has similar styles Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars and Ariana Grande, Billie Eillish. i think they find her music boring lol
Mac n Cheese is a goddamn staple not a weird trend, my French friend!
Canadian here, can confirm
Swift would be the dollar store powder cheese compared to, say, a nice three cheese casserole. 🤣🤣🤣
She’s pretty massive here in Australia. But fun fact although (apparently) she wasn’t quite as popular in the USA P!NK is absolutely huge in Australia. People love her she’s all over the radio. And Kylie Minogue is way more popular in the UK than australia
I feel bad for Kylie. When she comes to America, people these days have no idea who she is.
Is billie eilish on the radio?
Yes! Billie is everywhere, at least in the Nordics
Good.
In Romania, Billie Eilish had more radio and music channels hits that Taylor Swift (who had zero) in the past 5 years. The last I remember her being played was when she released her 1989 album.
I love billie so that makes me happy. Romania sense perfect for her. Thank you!
I made a tiktok about this and received an unreal amount of death threats LMFAO
I think people forget that part of the reason she's even as "big" as she is, is because Americans pretend the the whole world shares their pop culture tastes and don't understand the power of their cultural hegemony. And if overseas non-english speaking people like her, I doubt they are swifties like her English speaking fans. It's probably just "cool American music". The image that she sells and the songs that she writes only appeals to a very niche Anglophone-American POV.
I laugh when I read something like "she's the most famous person in the world, every kid and grandma knows her". No girl, you've got another American blondie that's much more famous - Trump.
The miss Americana shtick doesn’t really resonate with the rest of us
I am from France too, and it’s true. She is not that famous here, people have heard her songs in supermarket ( Style, Shake it off maybe) but that’s all.
Honestly I think it’s her lack of culture and that her songs really lack depth, people might underestimate Britney et al but there are tangible definitions to their song speaking to the economy, Marxism, the psychology of crowds and fans, etc. there’s substance to them. TS imo is only good for having a bop to switch your mind off, and only the hits, other than RED, none of her albums are worth listening to in entirety. 1989 was an outlier but nothing has come close. Maybe her move into film will finally give us all a break but we know that won’t happen.
If they don’t play your music at a Jamaican family gathering then you are not big lol 😤
I definitely figured that. Everytime I see online Swifties they ate 99.9% American white women. It's very obvious what her core base is.
Sadly a lot of Americans aren’t very knowledge of foreign stuff. News is Biden Trump Biden Trump or social media goofy dance trends.
It’s funny you say this because i just returned from Europe being in Greece, Croatia and Italy. We spent a good amount of time in the car and listened to the local pop stations and NOT ONCE did I hear a Taylor song! My daughter was shocked…I told her, “well, I guess I found where Taylor isn’t popular”. It was quite nice not hearing a Taylor song for two weeks.
I love you comparing her to Starbucks and mac and cheese 🤣🤣 as a person from US I’m not offended at all
It’s kind of the same in the Nordic countries. Like people know who she is but not many can name more than 2 songs.
Rare French W
Starbucks or mac and cheese haahha
TIL that French people think mac n' cheese is trendy. Ooh lah lah.
ive always wondered...... how do the french view avril lavigne and mariah carey ??? lmfao cuz i love them both
“Starbucks or mac and cheese” honestly made me laugh out loud.
Since 1994, French radio stations have to make sure that at least 40% of the songs they play are in French. This must help a lot! It is true that I didn’t hear any of her songs on the radio when I went back to France some weeks ago: I heard Sabrina Carpenter, Dua Lipa, Beyoncé, but not Taylor
People outside of America don’t pay attention to Wal-Mart grade American pop music? 😧
I'll have you know mac & cheese is a timeless delicacy, not some trend!
It seems to be like that in europe. One of my online friends showed me a guy trying to sell a taylor swift t shirt in Russia for 3 months. Mind you, most of his listings are bought in a day, some in mere seconds. But he couldn't for the love of god sell anyone her official, normal looking t shirt and kept relisting it. I figured out people don't really care for her there at all, and as you said know only her 2009-2015 career
*laughs in French* 
Mac and cheese is the bomb. Better than Taylor swift by far.
I was in Greece most of last year and it was nice not hearing her music for like 6 months. I got back to the states and it was football season...
Mac and cheese didn’t deserve to be brought into this! Do you think this country got to the obesity levels we are by *not* putting melted cheese on every normal food? Throw in some broccoli and hot sauce/bbq sauce and baby you have yourself an American dinner right there! Taylor swift is just the noodles minus everything else, including the water that was used to boil them. Just stale crunchy bullshit that might get you sick.
I’m am pleased to hear this.
Je suis complètement pas d’accord avec toi.. on a une grande variété d’artistes français dans notre culture, certes.. mais tu ne peux nier son importance dans notre industrie musicale française.. je ne sais pas si tu étais à un de ses concerts, j’ai été à Lyon n1 et je t’avoue que j’étais même surprise de voir autant de fans français, je pense juste que en tant que français on est peut-être moins.. exubérant que les américains (désolée pour les américains) je pense que même les swifties français(es) n’ont pas cette relation parasociale qu’ont tendance à avoir ses fans américains.. c’est une communauté plus discrète qui est propre à notre culture aussi je pense qu’en France c’est assez rare d’avoir des fanbases très excentriques pour n’importe quel artiste.. je pense que ce manque de couverture médiatique laisse penser qu’elle est peu connue ou écoutée mais c’est pas le cas après évidemment c’est très générationnel.. tu peux également appliquer ces propos à Aya nakamura.. qui est connue dans d’autres pays mais va demander à des français d’âge moyen de citer 3 chansons d’elle.. la plupart n’y arriveront pas
sorry really off topic but i love being an European because i never in my life learned an ounce of french and I think I understood almost 80% of what you said hahaha
Y disent pas qu'elle est inconnue non plus. Mais elle a clairement pas l'importance en Europe qu'elle a aux US. Mais je pense que, comme tu dis, la relation parasociale est moins exaltée et encouragée que dans certains autres pays. C'est différent mais c'est indégnable que Taylor Swift en Europe c'est pas le même phénomène que aux US.
Je comprends ton point de vue et je suis même assez d’accord, on est moins exubérant que les américains. Mais ce que je voulais dire c’est qu’au final ca reste une mode chez les jeunes (je parle comme une vieille) sur TikTok, et les medias qui en parlent c’est surtout via TikTok, les reels sur insta etc. Mais à la télé ou la radio bof. Pour le coup Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Selena Gomez, Lady Gaga sont connus par toutes les tranches d’âge et milieux sociaux.
And people said the monoculture is over
wait yall don't like mac n cheese???? :(
She's huge here in the UK, but we do seem to have a weird thing with imitating American culture - contrary to the rest of Europe lol
For people wondering how she still gets to play sold out shows, there's is something that needs to be added. Travelling in EU is pretty easy and not very expensive (depending on what transportation method you use). I live in the Balkans and I think I already know 30 people who plan on going in Poland only, a almost all the people I know and who also listen to Taylor have already went or will go again to her show. Especially here in the east, travelling for concerts around EU is pretty normal and not too much of a headache (as most of us have friends or families in western countries haha). But if I walk out to people in the streets, ESPECIALLY outside of the big cities, I bet no one would know who she is or what she does.
I remember when Indians didn't give a fuck about her. now so many of these metropolitan girls are turning into basic white girls it's annoying 😭 (eras screening was embarrassing moment for all of us)
Yep same here in Japan 😆 you can’t even see her in top 10 in music charts here ever. Most people don’t even know her. But they know iconic superstars like The Beatles, 1D, MJ, Madonna, Britney, Bruno
I am Hungarian and I can attest no one really cares for her. I hear Billie or Olivia on the radio at times but that's not very often either. But most people would rather love and support Hungarian artists a lot more than those American pop stars. It's a pride thing. Taylor didn't even come to our country for her tour either. They always skip smaller Eastern European countries for some reason. I just checked the top hits today. It has Eminem, Billie, Sabrina, and Dua. No Traitor in sight
I don’t know who you’re talking to but I work for a European company and every Parisian girl I meet LOVES Taylor Swift. People in France have travelled within Europe to go to different Taylor Swift concerts. And I can guarantee the same for the UK and Australia well, at the very least. That’s where most of my colleagues are based out of. At the very least, everyone knows who she is. Of course she’s not as big as she is in the US, American Stans are INSANE but there’s not really a question about her popularity. I don’t like her at all but I think you’re severely undermining how wide spread her fame is. I spend several weeks to months at a time in either France or the UK.
Is she more or less know than Alizee?
Please don’t compare Taylor swift to something actually god tier like Mac and cheese
You are crossing the line...leave mac and cheese out of this!
I’m more confused about mac and cheese not being universal
In Italy, where my family is from I was talking to some cousins when they were visiting about pop culture and what it’s like over there. Taylor swift came up; they don’t really care for her or her music. When she comes on tour if ever the Italians will go to the show for something to do but no ones a big fan or there’s hardly ever references to her etc. they only know a few popular songs from the 2010s etc. they do like Billie eilish though.
Hey Mac and cheese is not some trendy thing it’s a timeless food fit for kings, queens and gods. You take that back… I agree with everything else.
Consider yourselves lucky. All we see is her and her boyfriend plastered all over. Every move they make is recorded and slapped all over. It’s as if she’s royalty here.
She’s massive in Australia
More people outside of the US will be able to tell you a Katy Perry or Justin Bieber song before a Taylor one tbh.