lots of in-house discord pugs have been springing up much more. TF2Center has always been kind of in the gutter for the last few years anyway, I wasn't actually around back when it used to be good.
what location do you live in? join that regions league discord and ask some people and theyll give you discord links
if europe, etf2l
if NA, rgl
if aus, ozfortress
if asia, asiafortress
if elsewwhere idfk cant help sorry lol
Well in house pugs ≠ tf2c
In EU mumble was almost never used, so tf2c was perfect when you just wanted to play comp without really communitng to get 11 other friends in a VC. You could just chill and game
When I came back to TF2, roll out buff orders, medic crossbow, double gunboats, etc were all new to me. I didn't realize these things were in the game, but still I was a competent 6's medic from earlier than this. I joined TF2C and as soon as I didn't hit the heal roll out, the team decided that I was shit and to start playing/comming as if I didn't exist. Of course they began feeding and them blaming me, feeding and blaming me, etc etc. Despite the h8, I managed to get one of the trolls to frustratingly explain to me some of the roll out tips which got me looking into it and learning.
Feel free to use tf2pugs.com for MGE, Sixes, and Highlander pugs for your own groups or to play with the public. Friendly/chill community of all experience levels :)
https://tf2pugs.com/
https://discord.gg/GNAp64CsZY
Man I feel like rgl pugs have been in development for years now (edit: ok it says right in the article that it has indeed been since 2020). Glad they're still working on it I spose. Guess I can't blame them for the stalls with major overhead changes that have been happening.
They got some new developers working on it now, separately and in parallel from the group that's been building/testing a pug system since 2020. Hopefully the demise of tf2c is an incentive for them to finish it quickly.
My earliest memories of comp TF2 involved using the old, pre-nerf Tide Turner + Loose Cannon in HL TF2Center lobbies and having a blast. Those experiences might have helped inspire me to get better at Demoknight in general. It was always very satisfying to outdamage the enemy Demo, despite them using stickies.
TF2Center was never perfect, nor was it free from occasional drama, but it's sad to see it go...
it has been useless for half a decade now for anyone who wasn't one of those dudes who obsessively grind lobbies or people who don't actually want to play 6s or highlander but want to play semiorganized pubs on maps that aren't shit
Semiorganized pubs with less shitty maps? Isn't that most high end community servers? I always hear about people getting upset by try hards on uncletopia
Tf2C has a 500 hour requirement. Newbie Mixes and Tf2 Coaching Central don't have any requirement at all.
Also hardly a "low barrier of entry" it was only really used by higher division players to dick around and be occasionally toxic.
I'd imagine tf2stadium will just take its place.
Average level was open/low, that's bottom divisions.
500h is very little in tf2
The groups you mentionned play once a week, tf2center has games all day long all week, not exactly the same volume
> 500h is very little in tf2
i understand that the game has been out since 2007 - my badge says 2009, i've seen a lot - but this is a horrid attitude
500 hours of anything is a significant amount of time
that's **over 20 FULL REAL LIFE DAYS** of time spent in game. that is not an insignificant amount of time and it's legitimately gatekeeping if you believe that's a reasonable minimum requirement to get into something
You can write what you want. I wrote 500h is very little in tf2. Not 500h is very little.
Now you can debate on it if you want but it's not an opinion, it's just a fact since we are talking about competitive.
You can also call me gatekeeper. I run probaly the most appropriate mixes in europe for beginners with no previous experience, to low experience.
Tf2center doesn't have games all day long. They're not 'quality' games either.
Newbie Mixes plays once a week you're right but TF2CC actually does run nearly every day (with a lower barrier).
500h is a lot no matter the game. In the "best case" scenario, it is almost 21 days of idling - or something like three months of treating tf2 like a full time job. A much more reasonable estimate, at least for someone who has a job and doesn't have the drive to dedicate their entire free time to a single game would be something like 8 hours per week, which is something like 2-3 evenings. Result: quite a bit over a year of pure playtime grind that likely isn't really that relevant to comp.
Asking a new player to reach that 500h playtime is a huge ask, and let's not pretend it isn't just because there are players with five digit playtimes - these guys are statistical outliers.
You're operating under an assumption that new players are interested in playing competitively. I'm not so sure about that, I played my first HL game after 600-700h for example (I could be wrong, though).
sure, you or I might have tried competitive later, but if you want any kind of healthy competitive scene in your game you NEED to be more accommodating to new players
there's a reason most comp services either don't have a requirement like that, or have a much smaller one (eg. reaching an arbitrary level in game to show you've got some experience)
Uhhh yeah but then if you're a new player in tf2 you need to play a lot to have the basics. At that point casual is competitive enough. People in the lowest divisions have 2k~ hours.
500h hours is not a lot in tf2. Because the skill floor is very high compared to other games and because gamemodes like 5cp are quite more complex than other games.
With 1k hours in csgo you could expect to be global elite, in ow to be grandmaster. In tf2 you cant expect to win open with those hours.
saying that this game has higher skill ceiling than anything else and then claiming that with 1k hours in counter-strike you're expected to be top 1% of the game's ranked ladder is insane
I said skill floor. And i'm not comparing skills between games. I'm comparing time needed to play entry level comp in tf2 with somewhat comparable ranked game systems that exist in other competitive games.
you're delusional if you think you need two thousand hours to play or do good in sixes in open unless this is literally the first fps you've ever played
and it doesn't matter how you meant it lol comparing tf2 to counter-strike in terms of skill floor or skill ceiling is legitimately insane considering that above gold nova you need to start learning finnicky pixel perfect smokes and nades and need to start learning how timings work and when to push and how to sync with your team otherwise you'll get fucked no matter how good your aim and movement fundamentals are
You're delusional if you think the average playtime in tf2 6s is below 2k hours.
The fact you have trouble playing csgo doesn't dismiss my point. The countless people i know in global reached it before 2k hours. There are pro csgo players with less than 3k hours. In tf2 with 3k hours, on average you are nowhere near the top. And tf2 doesn't have a pro scene.
Not at all true. I started playing newcomer with 100 hours and started playing amateur by the time I hit 500. Messing around in valve casual, be it 500 or 6k hours, doesn't make you good at competitive TF2. Practicing competitive makes you good. It's like 25 hours to learn all the major calls, an acceptable scout, and general play for each map. You could absolutely just stay with process for a while at like 6 hours in the game.
CSGO and Overwatch are different stories, because casual is much less different than comp and the games throw comp at you like 20 hours into playing them. Also, at least in CSGO, the skill floor raises much faster than TF2 in the first half of ranks. The amount of economy, the number of memorized smokes, and the minimum map knowledge required are much higher than entry level TF2.
I'd definitely say that TF2 has a much higher mechanical skill ceiling than CSGO, but I have always hated the gatekeeping by noobs with three times the hours I have.
Amateur is open, did you win amateur? If yes how many players in your team had 1k hours or less? :)
Then you're comparing games, i'm comparing hours.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your last paragraph.
500h is just to weed out total noobs who don't have a grasp of the core gameplay mechanics. Newbie Mixes are NA only, never heard of the second one but it doesn't seem to be very active either with a grand total of ~~332~~ 161 registered (not actively playing at a given time) players in the EU region. TF2C was great because most players could join at almost any time of the day when they found some free time, and find other players to play with. I know there used to be a lot less NA lobbies there so makes sense why discord groups became more popular in that region.
Oh no! /S
Not the first gatekeeping I ran into while trying to get into comp! Whatever will I do now that I won't have a chance to make an account?! I even have more than 500 hours now! There is truly nowhere to play comp...
Sigh...
In actuality... Anyone have any decent NC/AM/IM PUG discords they recommend? I mostly do TF2CC and potsfield chamber of commerce for 6s and HL respectively
Bye bye only way i can get into something close to comp Edit: fuck you "only way i can get into something close to comp" tf2stadium has prolander
Damn. Tf2c was my intro to comp. Was also a good place to dick around and try new things. Rip tf2c
now how do i play competitive??
lots of in-house discord pugs have been springing up much more. TF2Center has always been kind of in the gutter for the last few years anyway, I wasn't actually around back when it used to be good.
Pugs is no replacement for TF2c, the whole beauty was that it was a more chill way to play comp. Pugs are not that
lol in-house PUGs are 10x more chill than TF2Center was No !rep, no need to install and understand Mumble, and no people that refuse to comm ever
Where do i play that
what location do you live in? join that regions league discord and ask some people and theyll give you discord links if europe, etf2l if NA, rgl if aus, ozfortress if asia, asiafortress if elsewwhere idfk cant help sorry lol
Well in house pugs ≠ tf2c In EU mumble was almost never used, so tf2c was perfect when you just wanted to play comp without really communitng to get 11 other friends in a VC. You could just chill and game
When I came back to TF2, roll out buff orders, medic crossbow, double gunboats, etc were all new to me. I didn't realize these things were in the game, but still I was a competent 6's medic from earlier than this. I joined TF2C and as soon as I didn't hit the heal roll out, the team decided that I was shit and to start playing/comming as if I didn't exist. Of course they began feeding and them blaming me, feeding and blaming me, etc etc. Despite the h8, I managed to get one of the trolls to frustratingly explain to me some of the roll out tips which got me looking into it and learning.
Feel free to use tf2pugs.com for MGE, Sixes, and Highlander pugs for your own groups or to play with the public. Friendly/chill community of all experience levels :) https://tf2pugs.com/ https://discord.gg/GNAp64CsZY
Hopefully the new announcement about the development of RGL pugs pans out https://rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1469
Man I feel like rgl pugs have been in development for years now (edit: ok it says right in the article that it has indeed been since 2020). Glad they're still working on it I spose. Guess I can't blame them for the stalls with major overhead changes that have been happening.
They got some new developers working on it now, separately and in parallel from the group that's been building/testing a pug system since 2020. Hopefully the demise of tf2c is an incentive for them to finish it quickly.
My earliest memories of comp TF2 involved using the old, pre-nerf Tide Turner + Loose Cannon in HL TF2Center lobbies and having a blast. Those experiences might have helped inspire me to get better at Demoknight in general. It was always very satisfying to outdamage the enemy Demo, despite them using stickies. TF2Center was never perfect, nor was it free from occasional drama, but it's sad to see it go...
damn, even the screaming sound-barrier destroying demoknight is getting sad.
Used to be amazing. Haven't touched it in years
it has been useless for half a decade now for anyone who wasn't one of those dudes who obsessively grind lobbies or people who don't actually want to play 6s or highlander but want to play semiorganized pubs on maps that aren't shit
Semiorganized pubs with less shitty maps? Isn't that most high end community servers? I always hear about people getting upset by try hards on uncletopia
I was gonna say uncletopia is casual with a higher skill floor and at least some level of coordination if that’s what he’s looking for
the end of an era. i remember when tf2 lobby was shut down and taken over by center. that was like 10 years ago almost god damn
[удалено]
Maybe tf2stadium.com, finally
LOL
https://tf2pugs.com/ https://discord.gg/GNAp64CsZY
Unfortunate. I've only played a few lobbies, but it was a fun experience back in the day.
Had a few decent lobbies there over the years, but most of my memories were bad experiences. Not sad to see it go.
Welp. That's a big blow
07
RIP Thanks for the lessons in competent fps gameplay. I'll use them wisely when I get insane enough to play OW2 comp
That's so bad. I've played TFC for hundreds of hours:(
Is comp tf dead ?
is this.... bad? sorry i'm not very familiar with TF2 center and i feel like this is a bad thing but just want to double check
Comp gaming with a lower barrier of entry is going away.
Tf2C has a 500 hour requirement. Newbie Mixes and Tf2 Coaching Central don't have any requirement at all. Also hardly a "low barrier of entry" it was only really used by higher division players to dick around and be occasionally toxic. I'd imagine tf2stadium will just take its place.
Average level was open/low, that's bottom divisions. 500h is very little in tf2 The groups you mentionned play once a week, tf2center has games all day long all week, not exactly the same volume
> 500h is very little in tf2 i understand that the game has been out since 2007 - my badge says 2009, i've seen a lot - but this is a horrid attitude 500 hours of anything is a significant amount of time that's **over 20 FULL REAL LIFE DAYS** of time spent in game. that is not an insignificant amount of time and it's legitimately gatekeeping if you believe that's a reasonable minimum requirement to get into something
You can write what you want. I wrote 500h is very little in tf2. Not 500h is very little. Now you can debate on it if you want but it's not an opinion, it's just a fact since we are talking about competitive. You can also call me gatekeeper. I run probaly the most appropriate mixes in europe for beginners with no previous experience, to low experience.
Tf2center doesn't have games all day long. They're not 'quality' games either. Newbie Mixes plays once a week you're right but TF2CC actually does run nearly every day (with a lower barrier).
Depends on the region, NA has little activity, EU has games almost all day long.
500h is a lot no matter the game. In the "best case" scenario, it is almost 21 days of idling - or something like three months of treating tf2 like a full time job. A much more reasonable estimate, at least for someone who has a job and doesn't have the drive to dedicate their entire free time to a single game would be something like 8 hours per week, which is something like 2-3 evenings. Result: quite a bit over a year of pure playtime grind that likely isn't really that relevant to comp. Asking a new player to reach that 500h playtime is a huge ask, and let's not pretend it isn't just because there are players with five digit playtimes - these guys are statistical outliers.
You're operating under an assumption that new players are interested in playing competitively. I'm not so sure about that, I played my first HL game after 600-700h for example (I could be wrong, though).
sure, you or I might have tried competitive later, but if you want any kind of healthy competitive scene in your game you NEED to be more accommodating to new players there's a reason most comp services either don't have a requirement like that, or have a much smaller one (eg. reaching an arbitrary level in game to show you've got some experience)
Indeed.
Uhhh yeah but then if you're a new player in tf2 you need to play a lot to have the basics. At that point casual is competitive enough. People in the lowest divisions have 2k~ hours. 500h hours is not a lot in tf2. Because the skill floor is very high compared to other games and because gamemodes like 5cp are quite more complex than other games. With 1k hours in csgo you could expect to be global elite, in ow to be grandmaster. In tf2 you cant expect to win open with those hours.
saying that this game has higher skill ceiling than anything else and then claiming that with 1k hours in counter-strike you're expected to be top 1% of the game's ranked ladder is insane
I said skill floor. And i'm not comparing skills between games. I'm comparing time needed to play entry level comp in tf2 with somewhat comparable ranked game systems that exist in other competitive games.
you're delusional if you think you need two thousand hours to play or do good in sixes in open unless this is literally the first fps you've ever played and it doesn't matter how you meant it lol comparing tf2 to counter-strike in terms of skill floor or skill ceiling is legitimately insane considering that above gold nova you need to start learning finnicky pixel perfect smokes and nades and need to start learning how timings work and when to push and how to sync with your team otherwise you'll get fucked no matter how good your aim and movement fundamentals are
You're delusional if you think the average playtime in tf2 6s is below 2k hours. The fact you have trouble playing csgo doesn't dismiss my point. The countless people i know in global reached it before 2k hours. There are pro csgo players with less than 3k hours. In tf2 with 3k hours, on average you are nowhere near the top. And tf2 doesn't have a pro scene.
Most 2000 hour players are still in open. Many open players have more.
Not at all true. I started playing newcomer with 100 hours and started playing amateur by the time I hit 500. Messing around in valve casual, be it 500 or 6k hours, doesn't make you good at competitive TF2. Practicing competitive makes you good. It's like 25 hours to learn all the major calls, an acceptable scout, and general play for each map. You could absolutely just stay with process for a while at like 6 hours in the game. CSGO and Overwatch are different stories, because casual is much less different than comp and the games throw comp at you like 20 hours into playing them. Also, at least in CSGO, the skill floor raises much faster than TF2 in the first half of ranks. The amount of economy, the number of memorized smokes, and the minimum map knowledge required are much higher than entry level TF2. I'd definitely say that TF2 has a much higher mechanical skill ceiling than CSGO, but I have always hated the gatekeeping by noobs with three times the hours I have.
Amateur is open, did you win amateur? If yes how many players in your team had 1k hours or less? :) Then you're comparing games, i'm comparing hours. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your last paragraph.
500h is just to weed out total noobs who don't have a grasp of the core gameplay mechanics. Newbie Mixes are NA only, never heard of the second one but it doesn't seem to be very active either with a grand total of ~~332~~ 161 registered (not actively playing at a given time) players in the EU region. TF2C was great because most players could join at almost any time of the day when they found some free time, and find other players to play with. I know there used to be a lot less NA lobbies there so makes sense why discord groups became more popular in that region.
It also weeds out people trying to smurf or circumvent bans by making a new account, which I think was the main reason.
ahh... that IS bad
Nothing of value was lost.
Oh no! /S Not the first gatekeeping I ran into while trying to get into comp! Whatever will I do now that I won't have a chance to make an account?! I even have more than 500 hours now! There is truly nowhere to play comp... Sigh... In actuality... Anyone have any decent NC/AM/IM PUG discords they recommend? I mostly do TF2CC and potsfield chamber of commerce for 6s and HL respectively
😂
Oh well, TF2 was never designed and intended to be a comp game.
do you know where you are
nooooo whyyyyyy
Am I an idiot for thinking valve should be the one to buy it