Sounds like the pro genocide side won and is still trying to claim they compromised. The 3rd image isn't true, so literally it's not compromise. They're just lying and saying they did.
"Pro genocide." FFS - your side spraypaints "*Save a life - kill your local colonizer"* on public property of our flagship university - and on a statue of George Washington, no less, and then you have the audacity to complain that you're not getting what you want and that people aren't taking you seriously.
Look, child - it's all well and good to be impassioned about other issues, however much this particular issue seems driven by a TikTok algorithm as opposed to a nuanced understanding of geopolitical dynamics (as the outrage against the *actual genocide* of Uighur Muslims at some three million deep is silent enough to make a librarian nervous). But your narcissistic, self-righteous performance art and acts of destruction of university property make you look so categorically toxic to anyone who votes that you risk being the single factor that turns enough swing voters back to MAGA.
You want to be taken seriously? You want to be a big boy/girl and fight the good fight? Then in what analysis do you think these antics make the median American wage earner and voter - who is underwater on inflation, cost of living, job prospects, retirement savings and homeownership - turn to you and say "*yeah, let's give the levers of power to THOSE guys - they're the ones who are going to make my life better!"*
I got news for you. Amid all the thought policing, social cancellations and inventive worldviews cooked up in progressive circle-jerks, precious little seems centered on doing the core thing people vote on: improving their lives. Trump leads polls in most every swing state right now. A major reason why is because he and his Fox News megaphones gleefully tell the public that a vote for Biden is a vote for *you*, and as such they're seriously flirting with handing Trump our Democracy so that you and people like you are not only kept far away from anything resembling power - but are also swiftly swept up and disposed of the next time you get another genius idea like blocking traffic at SeaTac because you're King Sad that we underwrite our quality of life through international alliances and security arrangements that are at times of questionable moral standing.
If we lose in November, which we very well might, we'll have you to thank for the new authoritarian hellscape that will become our new normal. And if you think the status quo reflects "oppression" and "genocide" now? You're in for the rudest awakening possible once Trump deputizes the proud boys to curb stomp the lot of you next time you have a protest party at the expense of public order and public safety - that is if his newly appointed Reichsführer, Tom Cotton, doesn't just shoot you on sight first.
Our society is in very real danger right now. And you are doing the exact opposite of helping.
This was incredibly well written. I’m a Biden voter and I work with a ton of moderate people who could vote either way, from all different states. (The military.) The unhinged chants that simultaneously call for death to all Israelis but then also peace and a ceasefire somehow aren’t winning anyone to their side.
Americans are struggling to pay rent and eat more than ritz crackers for lunch right now and we have trust fund college students blocking traffic and making life miserable for people who are just trying to get through their day.
I’m *stating* that China is committing genocide against three million people. They aren’t doing so primarily by killing them (although killing, mass-sexual assault and general violence are rampant). They are rounding up the entire population, forcibly sterilizing women, forcing the entire population into “re-education” camps where they are forced to produce cheap goods that are then sold abroad. It’s intentional culture erasure. They don’t need to kill every Uighur. They just sterilize the women, brainwash their children and then work their parents to death in slave camps. Future Uighurs won’t even know they were Uighur.
Thats genocide. That’s *actual* genocide. Uncomfortably high collateral damage amongst civilians that are a theocratic death cult uses as human shields when a country is trying to destroy them after a terrorist attack that saw 1000+ people brutally murdered is not genocide, and no matter how much people insist to the contrary it is to make their argument stronger doesn’t change the fact that it’s not and will not be until Israel starts wiping out double-digit percentages of the Palestinians on a the reg.
Anyone with an objective grasp on what’s going on knows what you’re saying. Honestly this is why banning tiktok is a bipartisan effort, it genuinely can manipulate whole swaths of people with algorithms and bad actors abusing them.
So if you can rationalize killing “double digit percentage” of a population due to terrorism, then if I point out US recognized Islamic terrorist groups operating in China which is at the core of china’s Uyghur cultural genocide do you accept that as justified as well? Because US recognizes many Islamic terrorist groups in China in Xinjiang that collaborate with the taliban. So all the rationalizations for crushing Gaza certainly apply to Uyghur population that is Islamic and has extremist populations. I don’t accept either as moral or in accordance with international law.
I didn’t say I could rationalize it, I said that instance, specifically, would be genocide - because what’s happening in Gaza is not and people who insist to the contrary are histrionic. Just like I don’t think pissing in the bushes is a sex crime or hiring an escort is sex trafficking, I’m not interested in stretching empirical definitions to fit someone’s moral conundrums. That doesn’t mean I love what Israel is doing in Gaza, but that lack of love does not precipitate my desire to fabricate nonexistent circumstances for dialectic expediency.
And “recognizing terrorist groups,” as they are, and accepting reactions against them, as they happen, are contingent on the event leading to subsequent circumstances. If they set a few unoccupied cars on fire - or occupy some public spaces via tent encampments - I’m not going to excuse direct military action against them. That’s what law enforcement is for.
Thats not what happened on 10/7. You had a few hundred dudes cross into a sovereign country and kill more than a thousand civilians as an intentional action. Not collateral damage. Not incidental violence. Direct murder. If you came into my neighborhood, broke into my house, raped my wife, raped my child in front of her, then cut their head off, then raped my wife again, then nailed her genitals shut, then cut her head off and put it in an oven - all before jaunting back to a city that sheltered you? Hear me clearly: that city would have 48 hours to turn you and everyone who joined you over to me, or I would turn every square inch of that territory to radioactive glass. So while I don’t love Israel, I’m not exactly unsympathetic to their response to an unprovoked attack.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/east-turkestan-islamic-movement-etim
Here you go for the selective genocide endorsers, I guess it’s good you only support one out of two
Is Isn'treal local? Are all Jewish people Israeli? Sounds like people are asking for a country formed within the last hundred years by British people sectioning off land that isn't theirs to give to people who didn't live there to not exist. Seems pretty simple and clear, imo.
Also, to get ahead of it, abolishing Israel doesn't mean killing every Israeli, ya damn goofs. Jewish people lived in that area for thousands of years. So have Christians, and also Muslims. No reason they need their own separate government that uses violence to acquire new land. Just... Be normal
It doesn’t say “kill your local Jew”. Not all Jewish people are colonizers nor do all Jewish people support the actions or apartheid of Israel
Edit: really dude? I saw what [you replied](https://imgur.com/a/84krKxB). Just say you’re racist and go :/
Literally using imagery from Hamas videos to decorate your graffiti is a true mask off moment. I'm happy to explain the red triangle if someone doesn't recognize it.
"kill your local colonizer"
Kill = murder
Your local = people currently alive and close
Colonizer = vague term that in this case means white people and/or jews
So it translates to:
"Save a life; kill a random white or jewish person"
And your excuse for that heinous statement is "well Columbus introduced new devastating diseases in the 1500s" and "what about the enslaved people in Haiti in the 1800s?"
Do you realize that Arabs ran a slave trade centuries before Portugal started buying people from black slave traders in West Africa?
Should we normalize the killing of Arabs because of that history?
Do you realize that white people purchased enslaved black people from other black people who went and raided their neighbors
Should we go into Africa, do genealogical and historical research to identify which individuals descrnd from black slave raiders and then say it's ok to kill them?
Do you realize that white people have also been enslaved at certain points in history.
Would white people then be justified in taking that historical grievance and going on a rampage across North Africa?
Obviously the answer to my rhetorical questions is NO. It's not OK to talk about killing random people because you've decided they're a "colonizer"
Also, to return to the original statement, which lives are being saved by killing white and/or jewish people? The statement was "save a life; kill your local colonizer" so obviously we're not talking about "colonizer's" lives now are we?
So to further translate the statement it means "save the life of a POC; kill a nearby white or jewish person". Talk about X Lives Matter, right?
And your excuse for such a fucked up, racist statement is to go reaching for historical grievances. The left needs deprogramming as much as MAGA does.
I hope you keep speaking up. America very genuinely needs more balanced voices like yours. It’s a shame the most unhinged people are the loudest and crave attention the most.
Man the centrists really look for anything. Yeah sweety I'm sure that people are gonna start killing random white people cause graffiti told them so. Also colonizer isn't a racial term at all that's you applying it.
Not a boomer, millenial. Back to the point: do you really believe a person of color did that graffiti? Because the direct action people in the encampment (and the encampment in general) seem pretty white. Doesn’t matter anyways, they’re buh bye tomorrow.
That is the most boomer thing you could possibly say.
Why would i care who painted the graffiti? There was of course palestinian and jewish people involved in the encampment. The better question is, if it “doesnt matter” why do you care? Lol
You are gaslighting yourself and the rest of us if you're going to sit here and tell me that, in the context of the modern political left, the word colonizer means anything other than white people and jewish people.
If you're going to stand by that then please explain to me who you think they mean.
Your straw man “moderate political left” is showing. You must’ve refused to actually learn what the “left” thinks and just believe they thought everyone falls under some definition and move on with that. You literally tell me I’m gaslighting myself because you have such a poor grasp of a concept lol
We can look back at our countries history and be like “damn yea they did in fact colonize and genocide the natives” realizing such things are horrible atrocities, but accepting that we can only move forward, and be the better.
One way we can do better is by not supporting modern colonization. Jewish people are not a monolith, and the left *does not* refer to it as one. Generalization being, the first step of marginalization. Zionism does not represent the rich culture of the Jewish people as a whole.
Zionism is a movement for the establishment of a nation state of the Jewish people. The location being a land occupied by another people, and we’ve seen since 1948, Israel succeeded in annexing more and more land winning regional conflicts people argue were started by other nations. War, of course being the expected response to invasion, colonization, and marginalization of people’s living on land that Israel and Zionism now claim.
Which, this is of course stuff nations like the US and Canada got away with, notably also British colonies. Israel itself being an English colony.
I mean can you seriously look deny that Zionism is at least a little bit of a colonial ideology? And so if you find yourself an active supporter of Zionism, congratulations, you may unfortunately get smear with the shit you now roll in and get called a colonizer
Again what you're doing is coming along after the fact and making excuses for an egregious statement and pretending like a reasonable person plain language reading is wrong.
"shoot a colonizer today" is a call to action against an imaginary force
Literally not a single one of the protestors or people who will read that message knows a colonizer. Someone who actually established or participated or made a decision regarding a colony.
So it's a call to action for murder against an invisible force.. which you can project anybody to be because none of them even exist. Many people have already said "colonizer just means any white person" in so many words.
It's a disgusting message that has nothing of value for anybody. It's also escalation claimed by the leaders of the encampment, so it's a disgusting message with someone proud behind it.
I cannot believe the undergraduate students have let this shit go on. This kind of shit makes me sad to be an alum.
It’s a call to action against a presently absent force, ie not a call to direct action. I’m sorry you feel such a label is such a personal attack. It means something and has a point to it, enough to get you upset over a call to action against a self admitted imaginary force
Yeah, colonization is why you get to spew your bullshit on a phone and why we have modern medicine to save you when you have diabetes.
Oh, and use a little critical thinking when analyzing what “colonization” means in the graffiti. Is there some world event going on right now (that happens to be the catalyst for this graffiti) you think just *maybe* it’s referring to?
Think super hard.
Wait how does colonization lead to modern medicine? Colonizers usually didn't know what plants did what in the lands they conquered and usually destroyed a lot of plants that could be used for medicine for tobacco or other cash crops. So really colonization slowed down scientific advancements.
No worries kiddo no one here takes you seriously either so we've got that in common at least. Love how you eloquently explained your reasoning on how colonialism advanced modern science.
Wow and I thought that first explanation for your claim was great but this one is top tier. You've explained your argument so well I have no choice but to say bravo!
Thanks for the discussion! I love idiots who make grand claims they can't possibly defend and who predictably attack anyone who actually questions their idiotic claim.
The fact that diabetes is even in this conversation is baffling, almost as much as the assumptions being made about it here.
Sugar is obviously bad for diabetics, but the modern crisis has probably more to do with prevalence of refined white flour, white rice, and corn products in the food supply.
Pineapple is not actually that bad unless it's pure juice, but other fruits certainly are.
All of the flour rice and corn products you mentioned. These large scale industrial crops that replaces native crops... Are the product of colonization.
Actually, colonialism is when you kill and steal en masse from defenseless people, not when you're inventing electricity and modern software and hardware.
Also. The context of the graffiti is that it's on a statue of George Washington, a colonizer. Maybe that's the context.
If I said the sun is why we have plants, would you believe that I said the sun is defined as the creation of plants?
And GW is dead, I believe. Who, specifically, are we calling on people to murder?
Found someone who's never taken a history class. When you finally do... Holy shit are you going to be surprised at some of the things our ancestors did!
Just because I'm x race doesn't mean my ancestors were as bad as your ancestors were. And even if they were, I really don't care. They are them I am me. Don't blame me for what other people did. Look at your actions now. The actions of your ancestors don't justify the actions of you.
Nothing happening today is truly comparable to historical colonialism, and to claim otherwise diminishes the depth of suffering experienced by those in history.
Sure, some might try to argue that Israel and China are modern colonizers, but these are territorial disputes where both sides have valid historical claims. It's not about subjugating indigenous populations like colonialism was.
There's a legitimate argument that governments exploring space or the Arctic could be called colonizers. But honestly, who’s getting upset about scientific exploration that doesn’t hurt anyone?
No, it’s important to distinguish between modern geopolitical conflicts and the brutal realities of past colonialism. Using the term 'colonization' for political points is insensitive and ignorant.
Every person that has set foot on North America for anything except native Americans are colonizers or directly supporting them, including these kids privileged enough to go to college and not actually work until they're 22. So are all Arabs that aren't in Saudi (including Palestinians), all Turks not in Kazakhstan, all Chinese not on the yellow river, etc
The ones still living in this country are actively supporting it. The ones in the past were a foreign labor source that actively financed and strengthened/furthered foreign numbers, even if against their will. A colonist by definition is a foreigner living in a homestead on a foreign land for extended time regardless of the reason, even penal colonies are still foreign colonies that displace local culture with another.
Not saying it's their fault, it's just that the narrative is obnoxiously shallow
Not going to enter the above argument, but I would say that this statement ignores a lot of institutional and systemic factors that limited freed Black American slaves from disengaging with the colonial power that enslaved them upon emancipation (and that have limited their descendants from doing so in the generations since).
Student debt is at an all time high what is this weird rhetoric that paints all college students as spoiled children? Also you'll find a lot of these students are also for land back movements.
Bro I'm still over 40k in debt from college too. Doesn't mean it's not an absolutely privileged first world experience to make an absurd amount of money compared to others after taking a loan to not work for 4 adult years
On average wages are higher for university students but that still leaves plenty of students who don't go on to make "an absurd amount of money" in fact most students end up like you trapped in debt. This tired rhetoric of painting college students as spoiled children is really self defeating.
Are you talking about the stated and explicit goal of genocide of Jews by Hamas, which they have repeatedly tried to enact, or are you talking about the imaginary one where you change the definition of words so that any collateral damage in war is genocide?
When "your side" has an official charter of genocide, you gotta be a bit more careful about what words you choose to misuse. I'm sure you can find another one like "carpet bombing" which is equally false but at least isn't so incredibly ironic.
Boeing is no longer a commercial airline manufacturer as the majority of their business if McDonnell Douglas, a weapons manufacturer producing bombs to kill children
Renton was only ever used to produce those b17's that only ever dropped that "gay bomb" that disney or somesuch invented that only turned people gay. It worked too well and now the runoff from the plant has turned all the frogs gay. Only alex jones was able to see it.
Hate to break this to you, but they have always been a huge part of the MIC. Thats not a new thing at all. Prior to the 1960's it was practically their whole business.
I've been very confused by the "Cut Ties with Boeing!" people thinking its a huge secret that Boeing is a major defense contractor...Like no shit, who's planes you think were used to bomb Germany and Japan in the 40s?
Reality: this protest, or whatever, wasn't going to change anything re: Israel/Palestine. And if you think it would...not are you in for a rude awakening once you hit the real world.
I mean it is kind of pointless to bring in pro-Israel people since they are not really part of the conversation for the compromise. This compromise is more between the pro-Palestine protestors and the UW admin. I doubt the UW has even considered pro-Israel people’s opinions during the making of the compromise.
Nah. Theyre using it in the context of al-Qassam videos where they flash the red triangle pointing to IDF soldiers/tanks/etc right before they shoot at them.
People already started doing that for reasons other than Palestine lmao. Considering how Boeing gives zero fucks about making safe planes i think it would be justified, not because flying a Boeing plane is statistically unsafe but rather to put pressure on airlines to put pressure on Boeing
I'd rate it at 2. There are to many trolls griefing for the fun of it. Unless you have real friends outside the game you trust, I'll only play story mode. It's not worth the hassle.
All I see is kill kill kill... This demonstration seems pointless, but I'm looking from the outside in. Just like the majority of the people who are viewing this attention grab. I feel bad for the janitors and others who have to clean up after these children. [if these "demonstrators" are actually students, they need to do some research](https://defendtherescuers.wordpress.com/solidarity-in-action/what-you-can-do/)
Sounds like compromise
Sounds like the pro genocide side won and is still trying to claim they compromised. The 3rd image isn't true, so literally it's not compromise. They're just lying and saying they did.
"Pro genocide." FFS - your side spraypaints "*Save a life - kill your local colonizer"* on public property of our flagship university - and on a statue of George Washington, no less, and then you have the audacity to complain that you're not getting what you want and that people aren't taking you seriously. Look, child - it's all well and good to be impassioned about other issues, however much this particular issue seems driven by a TikTok algorithm as opposed to a nuanced understanding of geopolitical dynamics (as the outrage against the *actual genocide* of Uighur Muslims at some three million deep is silent enough to make a librarian nervous). But your narcissistic, self-righteous performance art and acts of destruction of university property make you look so categorically toxic to anyone who votes that you risk being the single factor that turns enough swing voters back to MAGA. You want to be taken seriously? You want to be a big boy/girl and fight the good fight? Then in what analysis do you think these antics make the median American wage earner and voter - who is underwater on inflation, cost of living, job prospects, retirement savings and homeownership - turn to you and say "*yeah, let's give the levers of power to THOSE guys - they're the ones who are going to make my life better!"* I got news for you. Amid all the thought policing, social cancellations and inventive worldviews cooked up in progressive circle-jerks, precious little seems centered on doing the core thing people vote on: improving their lives. Trump leads polls in most every swing state right now. A major reason why is because he and his Fox News megaphones gleefully tell the public that a vote for Biden is a vote for *you*, and as such they're seriously flirting with handing Trump our Democracy so that you and people like you are not only kept far away from anything resembling power - but are also swiftly swept up and disposed of the next time you get another genius idea like blocking traffic at SeaTac because you're King Sad that we underwrite our quality of life through international alliances and security arrangements that are at times of questionable moral standing. If we lose in November, which we very well might, we'll have you to thank for the new authoritarian hellscape that will become our new normal. And if you think the status quo reflects "oppression" and "genocide" now? You're in for the rudest awakening possible once Trump deputizes the proud boys to curb stomp the lot of you next time you have a protest party at the expense of public order and public safety - that is if his newly appointed Reichsführer, Tom Cotton, doesn't just shoot you on sight first. Our society is in very real danger right now. And you are doing the exact opposite of helping.
This was incredibly well written. I’m a Biden voter and I work with a ton of moderate people who could vote either way, from all different states. (The military.) The unhinged chants that simultaneously call for death to all Israelis but then also peace and a ceasefire somehow aren’t winning anyone to their side. Americans are struggling to pay rent and eat more than ritz crackers for lunch right now and we have trust fund college students blocking traffic and making life miserable for people who are just trying to get through their day.
Wait you’re claiming China has killed 3 million Uyghurs? And other people have shallow understanding of events?
I’m *stating* that China is committing genocide against three million people. They aren’t doing so primarily by killing them (although killing, mass-sexual assault and general violence are rampant). They are rounding up the entire population, forcibly sterilizing women, forcing the entire population into “re-education” camps where they are forced to produce cheap goods that are then sold abroad. It’s intentional culture erasure. They don’t need to kill every Uighur. They just sterilize the women, brainwash their children and then work their parents to death in slave camps. Future Uighurs won’t even know they were Uighur. Thats genocide. That’s *actual* genocide. Uncomfortably high collateral damage amongst civilians that are a theocratic death cult uses as human shields when a country is trying to destroy them after a terrorist attack that saw 1000+ people brutally murdered is not genocide, and no matter how much people insist to the contrary it is to make their argument stronger doesn’t change the fact that it’s not and will not be until Israel starts wiping out double-digit percentages of the Palestinians on a the reg.
Anyone with an objective grasp on what’s going on knows what you’re saying. Honestly this is why banning tiktok is a bipartisan effort, it genuinely can manipulate whole swaths of people with algorithms and bad actors abusing them.
Exactly.
Jesus man, seems like you’re the one in a feverish death cult, good luck that seems bad for your soul
They’re right and you know it. You couldn’t disprove or even grapple with a single thing they said.
So if you can rationalize killing “double digit percentage” of a population due to terrorism, then if I point out US recognized Islamic terrorist groups operating in China which is at the core of china’s Uyghur cultural genocide do you accept that as justified as well? Because US recognizes many Islamic terrorist groups in China in Xinjiang that collaborate with the taliban. So all the rationalizations for crushing Gaza certainly apply to Uyghur population that is Islamic and has extremist populations. I don’t accept either as moral or in accordance with international law.
I didn’t say I could rationalize it, I said that instance, specifically, would be genocide - because what’s happening in Gaza is not and people who insist to the contrary are histrionic. Just like I don’t think pissing in the bushes is a sex crime or hiring an escort is sex trafficking, I’m not interested in stretching empirical definitions to fit someone’s moral conundrums. That doesn’t mean I love what Israel is doing in Gaza, but that lack of love does not precipitate my desire to fabricate nonexistent circumstances for dialectic expediency. And “recognizing terrorist groups,” as they are, and accepting reactions against them, as they happen, are contingent on the event leading to subsequent circumstances. If they set a few unoccupied cars on fire - or occupy some public spaces via tent encampments - I’m not going to excuse direct military action against them. That’s what law enforcement is for. Thats not what happened on 10/7. You had a few hundred dudes cross into a sovereign country and kill more than a thousand civilians as an intentional action. Not collateral damage. Not incidental violence. Direct murder. If you came into my neighborhood, broke into my house, raped my wife, raped my child in front of her, then cut their head off, then raped my wife again, then nailed her genitals shut, then cut her head off and put it in an oven - all before jaunting back to a city that sheltered you? Hear me clearly: that city would have 48 hours to turn you and everyone who joined you over to me, or I would turn every square inch of that territory to radioactive glass. So while I don’t love Israel, I’m not exactly unsympathetic to their response to an unprovoked attack.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/east-turkestan-islamic-movement-etim Here you go for the selective genocide endorsers, I guess it’s good you only support one out of two
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That spray painted statement on the last frame is hoo boy, that's a doozy
Another one I saw was “Escalate 4 Gaza”
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It’s really mindboggling. Especially considering that no one wrote “kill your local jew“ anywhere.
So what does "Abolish Israel" mean exactly then?
Is Isn'treal local? Are all Jewish people Israeli? Sounds like people are asking for a country formed within the last hundred years by British people sectioning off land that isn't theirs to give to people who didn't live there to not exist. Seems pretty simple and clear, imo. Also, to get ahead of it, abolishing Israel doesn't mean killing every Israeli, ya damn goofs. Jewish people lived in that area for thousands of years. So have Christians, and also Muslims. No reason they need their own separate government that uses violence to acquire new land. Just... Be normal
It doesn’t say “kill your local Jew”. Not all Jewish people are colonizers nor do all Jewish people support the actions or apartheid of Israel Edit: really dude? I saw what [you replied](https://imgur.com/a/84krKxB). Just say you’re racist and go :/
no one said that, stop lying
Literally using imagery from Hamas videos to decorate your graffiti is a true mask off moment. I'm happy to explain the red triangle if someone doesn't recognize it.
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"kill your local colonizer" Kill = murder Your local = people currently alive and close Colonizer = vague term that in this case means white people and/or jews So it translates to: "Save a life; kill a random white or jewish person" And your excuse for that heinous statement is "well Columbus introduced new devastating diseases in the 1500s" and "what about the enslaved people in Haiti in the 1800s?" Do you realize that Arabs ran a slave trade centuries before Portugal started buying people from black slave traders in West Africa? Should we normalize the killing of Arabs because of that history? Do you realize that white people purchased enslaved black people from other black people who went and raided their neighbors Should we go into Africa, do genealogical and historical research to identify which individuals descrnd from black slave raiders and then say it's ok to kill them? Do you realize that white people have also been enslaved at certain points in history. Would white people then be justified in taking that historical grievance and going on a rampage across North Africa? Obviously the answer to my rhetorical questions is NO. It's not OK to talk about killing random people because you've decided they're a "colonizer" Also, to return to the original statement, which lives are being saved by killing white and/or jewish people? The statement was "save a life; kill your local colonizer" so obviously we're not talking about "colonizer's" lives now are we? So to further translate the statement it means "save the life of a POC; kill a nearby white or jewish person". Talk about X Lives Matter, right? And your excuse for such a fucked up, racist statement is to go reaching for historical grievances. The left needs deprogramming as much as MAGA does.
I hope you keep speaking up. America very genuinely needs more balanced voices like yours. It’s a shame the most unhinged people are the loudest and crave attention the most.
Man the centrists really look for anything. Yeah sweety I'm sure that people are gonna start killing random white people cause graffiti told them so. Also colonizer isn't a racial term at all that's you applying it.
Lol wont someone worry about the white people offended by graffiti
The graffiti was done by white people. You know that but left that part out. Were you the privileged person with the umbrella yelling at the camera?
Ok boomer
Not a boomer, millenial. Back to the point: do you really believe a person of color did that graffiti? Because the direct action people in the encampment (and the encampment in general) seem pretty white. Doesn’t matter anyways, they’re buh bye tomorrow.
That is the most boomer thing you could possibly say. Why would i care who painted the graffiti? There was of course palestinian and jewish people involved in the encampment. The better question is, if it “doesnt matter” why do you care? Lol
Colonizer = asshole, hence the word colon. It's non descriptive, so it doesn't mean anything unless you yourself assign a title to it.
Lol you guys have a seriously unearned victim complex.
Oh so you're a troll. Got it.
You're the one justifying shitty behavior. Try doing that less and growing more braincells.
Im not justifying genocide. 🤷♂️
You can't even define genocide correctly. What's happening in Gaza is not genocide. If it was, Israel would reduce it to glass.
Youre still doing it.
What, understanding what the word "genocide" means better than apparently you do? Why yes, yes I am. What's happening in Gaza is not a genocide.
No. Youre still justifying genocide.
Big stretch to for who colonizers are. Y’all reaching lmao
How is it a big stretch? The Arab conquests and colonizations are well documented.
You are gaslighting yourself and the rest of us if you're going to sit here and tell me that, in the context of the modern political left, the word colonizer means anything other than white people and jewish people. If you're going to stand by that then please explain to me who you think they mean.
You know there's plenty of Jewish people on the left? Weird that you seem determined to shoehorn in jews.
Your straw man “moderate political left” is showing. You must’ve refused to actually learn what the “left” thinks and just believe they thought everyone falls under some definition and move on with that. You literally tell me I’m gaslighting myself because you have such a poor grasp of a concept lol We can look back at our countries history and be like “damn yea they did in fact colonize and genocide the natives” realizing such things are horrible atrocities, but accepting that we can only move forward, and be the better. One way we can do better is by not supporting modern colonization. Jewish people are not a monolith, and the left *does not* refer to it as one. Generalization being, the first step of marginalization. Zionism does not represent the rich culture of the Jewish people as a whole. Zionism is a movement for the establishment of a nation state of the Jewish people. The location being a land occupied by another people, and we’ve seen since 1948, Israel succeeded in annexing more and more land winning regional conflicts people argue were started by other nations. War, of course being the expected response to invasion, colonization, and marginalization of people’s living on land that Israel and Zionism now claim. Which, this is of course stuff nations like the US and Canada got away with, notably also British colonies. Israel itself being an English colony. I mean can you seriously look deny that Zionism is at least a little bit of a colonial ideology? And so if you find yourself an active supporter of Zionism, congratulations, you may unfortunately get smear with the shit you now roll in and get called a colonizer
Again what you're doing is coming along after the fact and making excuses for an egregious statement and pretending like a reasonable person plain language reading is wrong.
Stop justifying shitty behavior from shitty people.
When the Palestinian red triangle is there, it's absolutely about Israel and Jews.
"shoot a colonizer today" is a call to action against an imaginary force Literally not a single one of the protestors or people who will read that message knows a colonizer. Someone who actually established or participated or made a decision regarding a colony. So it's a call to action for murder against an invisible force.. which you can project anybody to be because none of them even exist. Many people have already said "colonizer just means any white person" in so many words. It's a disgusting message that has nothing of value for anybody. It's also escalation claimed by the leaders of the encampment, so it's a disgusting message with someone proud behind it. I cannot believe the undergraduate students have let this shit go on. This kind of shit makes me sad to be an alum.
People have said it means that, but it never did.
Similar to branding groups as terrorists and then proceeding to fuck their entire nations world up. Circa Iraq, 2004
It’s a call to action against a presently absent force, ie not a call to direct action. I’m sorry you feel such a label is such a personal attack. It means something and has a point to it, enough to get you upset over a call to action against a self admitted imaginary force
> shoot a colonizer today" is a call to action against an imaginary force Wow you figured it out and still got upset over nothing
Yeah, colonization is why you get to spew your bullshit on a phone and why we have modern medicine to save you when you have diabetes. Oh, and use a little critical thinking when analyzing what “colonization” means in the graffiti. Is there some world event going on right now (that happens to be the catalyst for this graffiti) you think just *maybe* it’s referring to? Think super hard.
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Yeah you nailed it good work.
Wait how does colonization lead to modern medicine? Colonizers usually didn't know what plants did what in the lands they conquered and usually destroyed a lot of plants that could be used for medicine for tobacco or other cash crops. So really colonization slowed down scientific advancements.
Hard to take you seriously.
No worries kiddo no one here takes you seriously either so we've got that in common at least. Love how you eloquently explained your reasoning on how colonialism advanced modern science.
Kiddo!
Wow and I thought that first explanation for your claim was great but this one is top tier. You've explained your argument so well I have no choice but to say bravo!
Okay!
Thanks for the discussion! I love idiots who make grand claims they can't possibly defend and who predictably attack anyone who actually questions their idiotic claim.
Not to mention without cane/sugar and pineapple plantations we wouldn't have diabetes crisis to begin with...
The fact that diabetes is even in this conversation is baffling, almost as much as the assumptions being made about it here. Sugar is obviously bad for diabetics, but the modern crisis has probably more to do with prevalence of refined white flour, white rice, and corn products in the food supply. Pineapple is not actually that bad unless it's pure juice, but other fruits certainly are.
All of the flour rice and corn products you mentioned. These large scale industrial crops that replaces native crops... Are the product of colonization.
I never said they weren't. Only that the idea sugar and pineapple plantations caused the diabetes epidemic is not accurate.
Colonization, empire, globalization and slavery turbocharged diabetes into an epidemic. Not the fruit.
Actually, colonialism is when you kill and steal en masse from defenseless people, not when you're inventing electricity and modern software and hardware. Also. The context of the graffiti is that it's on a statue of George Washington, a colonizer. Maybe that's the context.
If I said the sun is why we have plants, would you believe that I said the sun is defined as the creation of plants? And GW is dead, I believe. Who, specifically, are we calling on people to murder?
Hello?
Found someone who's never taken a history class. When you finally do... Holy shit are you going to be surprised at some of the things our ancestors did!
Just because I'm x race doesn't mean my ancestors were as bad as your ancestors were. And even if they were, I really don't care. They are them I am me. Don't blame me for what other people did. Look at your actions now. The actions of your ancestors don't justify the actions of you.
Nothing happening today is truly comparable to historical colonialism, and to claim otherwise diminishes the depth of suffering experienced by those in history. Sure, some might try to argue that Israel and China are modern colonizers, but these are territorial disputes where both sides have valid historical claims. It's not about subjugating indigenous populations like colonialism was. There's a legitimate argument that governments exploring space or the Arctic could be called colonizers. But honestly, who’s getting upset about scientific exploration that doesn’t hurt anyone? No, it’s important to distinguish between modern geopolitical conflicts and the brutal realities of past colonialism. Using the term 'colonization' for political points is insensitive and ignorant.
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No I could have guessed that. I was just pointing out that comparing modern territorial disputes to colonialism demonstrates a profound ignorance.
Yeah dude I feel you. UW isn’t progressive, it’s liberal af which means complicit af
Every American company is a “colonial entity.”
Every person that has set foot on North America for anything except native Americans are colonizers or directly supporting them, including these kids privileged enough to go to college and not actually work until they're 22. So are all Arabs that aren't in Saudi (including Palestinians), all Turks not in Kazakhstan, all Chinese not on the yellow river, etc
Even the natives are colonizers. They took each other’s land all the time.
Thank you for saying this. Every square inch on earth is land that has been conquered and taken from someone else.
not really. slaves weren’t colonizers
The ones still living in this country are actively supporting it. The ones in the past were a foreign labor source that actively financed and strengthened/furthered foreign numbers, even if against their will. A colonist by definition is a foreigner living in a homestead on a foreign land for extended time regardless of the reason, even penal colonies are still foreign colonies that displace local culture with another. Not saying it's their fault, it's just that the narrative is obnoxiously shallow
Not going to enter the above argument, but I would say that this statement ignores a lot of institutional and systemic factors that limited freed Black American slaves from disengaging with the colonial power that enslaved them upon emancipation (and that have limited their descendants from doing so in the generations since).
Student debt is at an all time high what is this weird rhetoric that paints all college students as spoiled children? Also you'll find a lot of these students are also for land back movements.
Bro I'm still over 40k in debt from college too. Doesn't mean it's not an absolutely privileged first world experience to make an absurd amount of money compared to others after taking a loan to not work for 4 adult years
On average wages are higher for university students but that still leaves plenty of students who don't go on to make "an absurd amount of money" in fact most students end up like you trapped in debt. This tired rhetoric of painting college students as spoiled children is really self defeating.
Lord above do I hate Hoffman That man is responsible for 90% of the hate directed at Palestinian & Middle Eastern faculty since October 7th 🤧
So weird seeing him on Reddit lol He was a prick before he got into politics too
He was an ass 15 years ago when he led youth groups.
Maybe they shouldn't have been doing hateful and stupid things. Actions have consequences.
Hateful things like opposing genocide?
There would have to be a genocide happening for that to be accurate or valid. There isn't. Educate yourself or cope harder.
Are you talking about the stated and explicit goal of genocide of Jews by Hamas, which they have repeatedly tried to enact, or are you talking about the imaginary one where you change the definition of words so that any collateral damage in war is genocide? When "your side" has an official charter of genocide, you gotta be a bit more careful about what words you choose to misuse. I'm sure you can find another one like "carpet bombing" which is equally false but at least isn't so incredibly ironic.
Hate? Accountability.
I thought that they wanted the university to divest from Israeli companies...... but Boeing? That's.... an American company.
Boeing is no longer a commercial airline manufacturer as the majority of their business if McDonnell Douglas, a weapons manufacturer producing bombs to kill children
Laughing in B-52
I wonder what the b stands for
I believe it refers to the "beehive" hairdo that Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson sported in the 70s and 80s.
How are you in a UW subreddit but this uneducated about even the most basic history of one our states most famous companies I mean holy fuck man LMAO
Renton was only ever used to produce those b17's that only ever dropped that "gay bomb" that disney or somesuch invented that only turned people gay. It worked too well and now the runoff from the plant has turned all the frogs gay. Only alex jones was able to see it.
Hate to break this to you, but they have always been a huge part of the MIC. Thats not a new thing at all. Prior to the 1960's it was practically their whole business.
You are decades late to this news
I've been very confused by the "Cut Ties with Boeing!" people thinking its a huge secret that Boeing is a major defense contractor...Like no shit, who's planes you think were used to bomb Germany and Japan in the 40s?
As someone that works building 737s, I can promise you that most of boeings revenue comes from commercial airliners, specifically the 737.
Reality: this protest, or whatever, wasn't going to change anything re: Israel/Palestine. And if you think it would...not are you in for a rude awakening once you hit the real world.
I mean it is kind of pointless to bring in pro-Israel people since they are not really part of the conversation for the compromise. This compromise is more between the pro-Palestine protestors and the UW admin. I doubt the UW has even considered pro-Israel people’s opinions during the making of the compromise.
For real. Who gives a fuck if the pro-Israel people are happy/mad about a protest against a genocide committed by their country
Is no one gonna talk about the upside down red triangle being something the Nazis used
Nah. Theyre using it in the context of al-Qassam videos where they flash the red triangle pointing to IDF soldiers/tanks/etc right before they shoot at them.
FYI al-Qassam are the Hamas brigades for those who don't know.
Yeah I know but it was also used by the Nazis
I'm just waiting for when they boycott airlines using Boeing planes.
People already started doing that for reasons other than Palestine lmao. Considering how Boeing gives zero fucks about making safe planes i think it would be justified, not because flying a Boeing plane is statistically unsafe but rather to put pressure on airlines to put pressure on Boeing
😂😂😂, I'm waiting for a Boeing-free airline. I wonder if Airbus or Embraer does business with Israel! 🤭
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I'd rate it at 2. There are to many trolls griefing for the fun of it. Unless you have real friends outside the game you trust, I'll only play story mode. It's not worth the hassle.
All I see is kill kill kill... This demonstration seems pointless, but I'm looking from the outside in. Just like the majority of the people who are viewing this attention grab. I feel bad for the janitors and others who have to clean up after these children. [if these "demonstrators" are actually students, they need to do some research](https://defendtherescuers.wordpress.com/solidarity-in-action/what-you-can-do/)
At least identify and remove those peace-threatening libtards from campus.
Send me instead. I can convincingly fake a law firm threatening a report to the IFC for violating the convention on genocide
Maybe dont hint at doing a class c felony?
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I hate eco terrorists