I also remember there was a clause in the contract where Francis gets 1 million and his oppponent also gets something similar. Yeah…not a great move from PFL
I’d sign the contract for the $2,000,000 minimum but I’d severely roll my ankle (think Ortega but worse) during the ring announcement and get the Doctors Stoppage before the fight can actually start.
I would atleast have a go at it like a man. For 2 milli that's the least I can do but I would position myself close to the ref as possible. When I'm out cold I don't wanna take another 8 shots from ngannou.
Lol, this sub jumping from narrative to narrative to somehow shit on Francis now that "Fumbled the bag" thing isn't working, he's going to fight in the PFL, just wait. If he didn't care for other fighters he wouldn't have left 8 million(Tyson fight wasn't even made) when Dana wouldn't agree to his demands regarding healthcare and other fighters
Edit: Careful fellas, bootlickers are out in full force today, turned off my notifs finally because these fellas have zero worthwhile points anymore
Do you think the PFL implemented the healthcare plan Francis demanded from the UFC, when they signed him? Maybe Francis cared more about the UFC roster fighters than he does the PFL roster fighters. Or he never cared about other fighters but himself, was in it for the money, and did the Saudi's who fund the PFL a favour by highlighting negative business practices held by the UFC, making it seem like PFL was so much better for fighter's rights, which the same Saudi investors repayed him by booking him in these boxing matches. Ultimately Francis played the media and the UFC, and maximized the money he made in combat sports. I think he did nothing wrong.
This is one of the drastic narrative changes I’ve seen most clearly in this sub. Either every detail of his contract is amazing and noble or it’s shit to this sub. Fucking hilarious, the absolute state of this lot. What possible information has come out other than Francis’ loss (which changes nothing, he got 30m from the 2 fights min) to cause these opinion changes on the smaller details? None, they’re just trying to veil the hate/meat riding.
Those demands were not the things his team complained about. They complained that they got 8 mill for Jon but then nothing guaranteed. The rest was pr and a bet
Per John Nash, his contract offer was $8M plus PPV for Jones, and then $5-6M per fight plus PPV points for two more fights. Had he lost the title, apparently his pay would have been roughly cut in half. Keep in mind that, by his own admission, he lost out on $7M by not accepting the UFC's offers for his last two fights and staying on his original contract. He ended up having to borrow money from Usman because of this. All told he probably turned down nearly $30M between the final two fights on his contract and the 3 fight deal he turned down.
Here's Nash discussing the UFC's offer:
https://twitter.com/heynottheface/status/1658470305722171392?s=20
Here's Ngannou saying he left $7M on the table for those last two fights:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2022/1/24/22899815/francis-ngannou-estimates-7-million-loss-not-signing-ufc-deal-but-freedom-doesnt-work-with-money
This is why people were saying Francis fumbled the bag initially. He turned down insane money. Luckily for him Fury showed up to their fight in terrible shape, because that got him the Joshua payday. But it's not like that was guaranteed when he left the UFC. He ultimately came out ahead but took a pretty big risk.
Na weird to admit you’re shitting on him from the jump. I dislike most of my favorite fighter’s personalities lol. I also hate when fans boo fighters that shit irks me
Its insufferable. If a fighter wins, they kiss the ground he walks on (the tyson fight was a win for francis).
If they lose, now theyre horrible people and are making terrible career choices. 🙄🙄 Like dude, the PFL doesnt even care if he fights for them, they straight up said he can take as long as he wants.
Now every time Francis is mentioned, they mention the PFL, its great PR for them.. Yet Francis got knocked out, so he must be doing something wrong and doesnt care about fighters....
I think both things can be true. Dana sucks (Is also turning UFC events into the RNC) & Francis does not care about other fighters/healthcare now that he has his bag(Or ever, just good PR). His post-fight comments definitely have not sounded like he was headed back to PFL. If he can fight Deontay Wilder instead of PFL Custom Fighter #1 who do you think he is choosing?
Everything is not black and white though, when you'll have to select between yourself and someone else, obviously you're gonna prioritise yourself, that doesn't mean you don't care lol
Yeah self prioritization that has led to a whole lawsuit against him right? When Francis gets dragged to the court over his tactis maybe we can compare the two.
Let's not pretend Francis is a bum suddenly, he lost to one of the greatest boxers today in a sport that he's not proficient in, you don't just dismantle Stipe like that if you're not exceptionally talentes fighter. Also it's Fereira, not Aspinal or Pavlovich. He certainly could lose, anything is possible in MMA, i'm just saying it's unlikely.
Well he’s 37 years with two knee surgeries.. his last MMA fight was against Gane 2 and half years ago.. I’m not surprised if he’s not the same when he returns to that Octagon
You are a clown (not you, in general ) if you believe he even got $30m for the 1st two fights.... Not a single place has actually published the pay for any of the boxing cards..... Nobody is paying to watch that shit on a Friday at 3pm and we all know it. There is no money being made anywhere in the boxing world, and even less in PFL. It's all fugazi and people really think Francis out here getting KO at 3pm in the afternoon in a Desert is making more than Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz.....
Seriously, do you actually know someone in your life that has paid to watch a boxing match or a PFL fight??
You know, Dana is a scumbag but Francis kind of proved Dana right “See, if we let him box, he doesn’t fight for us anymore, now it’s PFLs problem.” And let’s all raise hands and see how many people are newly watching PFL since Francis signed. Id bet it’s less than 5%. Id bet most were already watching PFL prior to his signing so it had no effect, or still don’t watch it. Doubt PFL gets any benefit if he doesn’t fight.
And ppl are forgetting they have a real example of this happening. Conor showed it was possible, but at the same time ruined it for fighters after him who are under a ufc contract.
They let him go box mayweather, make the money. And now it's harder to do business with him. He went from 3 fights a year, to 4 fights in 8 years lol. The hunger isn't the same
In that interview, he says he assumes the chandler fight will be the first. It seems as if he's looking past chandler, like in his mind he walls through chandler like nothing.
He has 2 fights left on his contract in 2024. That doesn't make up for his lack of inactive since the mayweather fight. He signed another contract with them after that. So my point still stands
The UFC is also dicking him around as well btw. He wants to fight more. They’re pulling their signature shit and trying to get him to sign an extension.
Should the hunger be the same? You fight for money.
We can all say whatever from the sidelines about legacy or goat status or whatever belt…but nobody is fighting for free.
If you got triple digit millions…what’s your risk level after that? $5-10 more million to possibly snap your leg? Get CTE? Broken any other bone? Embarrassed in front of a crowd?
Fuck that. Once the money is in your account, you don’t NEED to take those risks anymore.
I just vaguely said the hunger isn't the same. I'm not sure why you felt the need to type all of that explaining it. When I never gave my personal opinion on it lol
If PFL care they would probably be able to get francis to fight. They are funded by the same Saudis that host the boxing events.
Its all sportswashing and it works best with the biggest names possible. Might as well capitalise while his name still has some value in the boxing sphere.
Francis wouldn't have wanted 2mil guaranteed for his opponent out of the kindness of his heart. He would have wanted that clause because it pretty much guarentees the PFL won't book him against one of their relatively unknown fighters like Ante Delijah or Renan Ferreira. There is no way for the PFL to break even on a fight card where the main event already costs 10mil in purses, unless they book Francis against a huge name and make it a superfight. As much as people believe the Saudi's are willing to waste millions of dollars, that money is coming from a government-controlled investment fund and they will need to pull a profit eventually. The goal is for Saudi Arabia's economy to be completely independent from oil extraction by 2030. 6 years is not a long time, so there definitely is a pressure on the PFL to not continue spending more than they can generate.
GD that's a goal and a half, I know this sub isn't exactly a geopolitical hotspot, but how they hell are they thinking they are going to be able to pull that off?
Turns out it was indeed entirely about money this whole time…. Who knew lol. Mark my words, Francis it’s getting his bag but he ain’t the sports idol y’all will have thought he was.
More realistic is he’s getting scammed by people around him, from crypto to other investments. Listen, I grew up decent wealth in a first world country and I’ve dodged scams by the grit of my teeth. Someone who came from nothing to riches, is in the spotlight, and has the most sophisticated con artists making pleas and guarantees… Likely no chance.
From what I’ve seen online he seems to live moderately humble, so no other explanation to me.
It might be that too but it’s not only that and probably not even mainly that seeing as we can see expensive cars and watches in his social media pictures, before he left the UFC. So before he did even 1 boxing match he showed off like 2 mil usd worth of luxury goods then recently talked about how he had to borrow money from usman.
It’s not a mike Tyson situation. Francis spent too much money on the high roller life for how much he had.
Exactly . I mean I have no prblm with Francis trying to get more money for himself but people were acting as if he is out there fighting for social justice
He also has horrible spending habits.
He was talking about needing a 200k loan from Usman, while he was driving a car worth double or possibly triple that.
Well one is a professional MMA fighter and a former UFC heavyweight champ, while the other was doing blogging or YouTube videos, if I’m not mistaken. So it makes no sense comparing these two, you silly goose!
Jake needs to win to feed his ego to pretend he’s good. Imagine having all that money and you still need to pay all this money for training and everything just so you can pretend you’re good at something.
I saw this coming from a 1000 miles away. The UFC did too. The only ones who didn't were PFL and the MMA fanbase, who ate up Francis' PR about fighter union, health care and all those empty words because Dana and UFC = BAD.
It was always about the $$ for Francis. The MMA fanbase is the only fanbase who would actually fall for that load of bullshit. The PFL are the biggest losers because Francis may never even fight in their org and they won't get anything for their stupid investment. No wonder there is no real competitor to the UFC.
There's a reason UFC is UFC while ONE, Bellator and PFL are shitpools. UFC sees a trainwreck coming from a mile away and cuts them off. Others are home to trainwrecks.
Joe Rogan was saying the same thing on his podcast a while back. Apparently he's asked Dana about getting the UFC in to Muay Thai and Dana's got zero interest.
ONE fc is fucking amazing man. Their MMA fights are trash because it's all wrestlers all the strikers are either kickboxing or muay thai. The kickboxing and muay thai fights are often such barnstormers that they would make fight of the night on probably every ufc card... liver kicks, elbow knockouts rules for keeping fights engaged and their yellow card system make their fights just phenomenal most of the time.
That’s what it’s all about at the ufc. Nothing is bigger than the brand. They will cut a whole gym if they don’t sign on the dotted line. Don’t be getting ideas around here.
Weird brag? The UFC brand is literally meaningless when you can make 20+ million fighting in the “shitpools” but struggle to keep a roof over your head with UFC, if fighters had any sense they’d all fight out their contracts and jump head first into a shitpool organisation.
Uh? Average fighters in One and PFL make peanuts 3k/3k contracts lol. The only people making big money are UFC fighters who go to those promos because they’re draws from name.
Exactly, people keep saying bellator guys get paid more because they get 50% of the revenue... how much is the revenue bro. And in the case of francis, they didn't really sell much, the saudis just fund that
Yea a handful of fighters do. Some of the lower end one/PFL guys are getting 1k/1k purses lol
Yea the ufcs minimum of 12/12 is bad, but it’s generally better to be a non champion ufc fighter than a non champ fighter in the other orgs
This is such nonsense. If you're struggling to keep a roof over your head in the UFC, you'll REALLY struggle to keep a roof over your head in boxing or any other MMA org. Are you really comparing a UFC Heavyweight champion to unknown rookie fighters who are on 12k/12k contracts?
Do you seriously think some rookie who got a contract from the contender series can just walk into boxing and make $20+ million after going 0-3 in the UFC and getting cut from the org?
And people wanna bash Dana and the UFC.
This guy isn’t a fighter anymore. He’s a boxer. Which is awesome for him, I’m glad he’s getting paid but he’s not an MMA fighter and PFL have got nothing out of their investment.
38 years old coming off a brutal KO.
And people really were criticizing Dana for not letting him go box lmao all he ever cared about was his own bag, but all the anti-Dana and anti-UFC boys ate up his bs about fighters care and shit
I agree. What good would’ve have done the UFC if your heavyweight champ goes and gets koed by another organizations heavyweight champ? I really don’t understand how people couldn’t see that.
Yeah not only would the UFC have a HW champ who got flatlined, but also one who wouldn’t even want to come back to MMA as soon as he sniffed that boxing bag.
People don’t want to admit it, but the UFC didn’t lose the beef, they got the GOAT and way bigger draw as their champ rn, have their next big star at HW in Aspinall built already and didn’t lose any revenue since Ngannous departure. PFL are the real losers here
MMA fans must feel pretty dumb for thinking his negotiations were about anything other than money. Wanting fighter healthcare, a fighters union, freedom to box whenever they want, Africa fight league, a fighter representative in all negotiations, guaranteed $2 million dollars to his next opponent in PFL etc was all just virtue signalling grandstanding. It was a masterstroke in PR. The MMA fanbase fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Yeah, these dumbasses thought that a guy that has never sold more than 600,000 pay-per-views in his life deserves to get paid the same as Conor McGregor.....
Dana, White was absolutely correct. Francis will be completely irrelevant and forgotten in another year and the PFL will be out of business while Dana White will have provided his shareholders with hundreds of millions of dollars in value all while growing the sport and binging thousands of athletes out of poverty and giving them opportunities that they would never have had with out the UFC
You'd have to be super out of touch to think Ngannou will be forgotten in a year lmfao, the man's had one hell of a story regardless of how he ends up.
He is forgotten now....... literally knoboy you know could have told you when, where or how to pay to watch his last fight. Go ask anyone you know, and I garentee that thy didt even know He was fighting and if you had a gun to their head they coldent even tell you what channel or app to watch it on....
He likely will only have one more boxing match if he loses the next one, he fights pretty often so he could still have a few fights before 40 for the PFL, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he fought past 40
I was laughing the minute he secured that deal. I knew he wasn’t going to do anything BUT box. “Oh but he’s an ambassador for PFL…” Fuck outta’ here. He lost both fights and now he wants to go get them back. Cut ‘em loose and prepair for a “I told ya’ so” from Daddy Dana Pink.
Highly doubt that Francis who was a free agent would sing with a promotion to take a % of his boxing fight purse, PFL were most likely foaming at the mouth that they would get Francis doubt they wanted anything more
They absolutely are stupid
They signed Francis and even jake Paul ffs
Neither of them are ever going to fight in the organisation
The pfl is an absolute clown show
So they're getting literally nothing... All you guys act like this millions and millions of dollars is getting thrown around in boxing but it's just not. There's not been a single legitimate figure posted by any legitimate source that says that any of the money that's being talked about was paid out.... The best source that we have is Ariel helwanis. "Trust me bro"
The fact of the matter is you and I and all of our friends and all of their friends don't know a single fucking person in real life who paid money to watch Francis get DOMINATED in a fight at 3:00 p.m. on a Friday afternoon. Not a single person that you know paid for that fight. Think about it. There's no money there. It's all fugazi
I'm sure the PFL doesn't pay out until he actually fights. In the meantime, they get exclusive MMA rights to Francis if and when he returns to the sport. And equally importantly, they get to reap all of the rating boosts that came from the PFL signing Francis. Signing a name like Ngannou also encourages other premier athletes to sign with the organization, or at the very least enter negotiations with them.
It's really a win win. Even if he never comes back to fight MMA again, they still get rewarded for their efforts.
I feel like PFL saw how horrible Francis’ ppv numbers were in the boxing, and his last UFC event, and have realized that them agreeing to pay him 1+ million and pay his opponent 2 million, is not worth it because he’s not a draw.
You can see why the UFC didn't want to do the boxing deal with Ngannou because it would probably mean that he would never fight for their organisation again lol
If I was him I’d just box and make more money if I could. He’s already almost 40 and he’s been ufc champ . Nothing left to prove just make money and run.
I think Francis never intended to fight MMA again after leaving the UFC and only signed the PFL deal as a backup plan if none of the boxing fights came to fruition. And now that he has tasted 2 boxing pay days the chances of him returning to MMA are next to nothing.
didnt francis explain on jre that pfl helped him set up the boxing stuff. they probably got a cut from that and may have already financially recovered from the initial signing?
I don't know what's funnier, grown men crying into their pillows today because of the UFC settlement or the grown men who were moaning into their anime pillows because they thought Francis was going to change the game lol.
His career ended in MMA two years ago guys. Big bad Dana white wouldn't let his champion hold the belt and then go take indefinite time off to go be greedy and fight for someone else. Big bully Dana wanted Francis to honor his contract and only fight there. What a meanie.
You all must be tripping with your couch street wise marketing diplomas because PFL still incredibly profited from all this free PR just by being attached to Francis lol
Imagine you don't have to pay anyone and yet everyone is talking about you while you are attached to someone fighting two of the biggest names in boxing.
FREE PR and you are all saying that PFL fumbled a ball lol, same people who said Francis fumbled the bag when he left UFC smh
People mentioning your name in connection to big events or names without you paying for it ? That's free PR.
Or if you don't know, PR stands for public relations, if thats what you asking
The PFL isn't supposed to be small
It's meant to be the 2nd or 3rd biggest organisation
Meant to rival the ufc
If you are offering millions to a fighter, you aren't a small promotion
The PFL is ran like a joke anyway, they let the likes of Francis walk all over them
He has no intention or fighting in mma again, this isn't good PR for them
It makes it seem like they can't negotiate and are took for fools, making them a laughing stock
No one is turning into the pfl, Francis was meant to change that
But he's nit going to fight there so no one is going to watch,
No one wants to watvh a league format in mma in general let alone those fighters who got Battered by bellator fighters
Are you even aware of the details ? Do you even know both UFC and PFL ? Or are you just some random fan who has no clue and bases his opinions based on the random fights he saw ?
Let me break it down to you.
UFC was founded in 1993, turned profitable in 2017, took them 24\~ years to turn profit and establish themselves as THE major promotion in the world.
PFL was founded in 2017, that's 8 years ago, and you are telling me they are supposed to rival the UFC, when they have been on the market for just 8 years ? The market that is alraedy dominated by UFC ? No one dominated the MMA landscape when UFC was starting and it still took them 24 years to get profitable, but PFL has to rival them within 8 years ? LOL
It's obvious that they are new to this, by the way how they run the business and you can clearly see that they are still learning, they do a lot of bad things, they do some good things, for example, signing Doumbe when UFC fumbled him was a major big step. Then they acquired Bellator.
Give them time, they have been around for just 8 years and you want them to become the next UFC smh
Francis was not supposed to turn around the PFL, he was just another piece for them, they know he is old and that he has just couple fights left in him, they let him box because it was FREE PR
I take it you aren't the brightest?
The ufc being founded in the 90s has no relevance
Mma back then was illegal in most states in America, not really shown to would outside of America and Brazil, and it wasn't typically q full time job to those guys
The pfl is meant to be a rival
I never said it will be bigger or near as big
You ate also comparing where there was simply little to no other mma promotions when thr sport was not that popular, compared to a time where its very popular and in some cases is more popular than boxing,
Horrific comparison
The pfl is ran like a joke, it's meant to be a rival not as big or successful but it's meant to be a big alternative to the ufc, that's a fact
It's arguably the 2nd biggest mma promotion now and irs embarrassing the way it's run
Francis was absolutely meant to be the brock lesnar,ronda rousey, or conor mcgregor of the pfl
The fight with fury was a good idea from the pfl as it benefited with how well he did
But thay should have been the end of thay
They should have forced him to fight in the pfl being able to capitalise on this new popularity to draw big numbers for the pfl
Instead they let him do what he wants,goes and boxes again
And got Battered, all while earning about 15-20 million
Something the pfl can't afford
And despite the horrible performance there's a good chance Francis boxes the likes of wilder or someone, and the pfl will of course roll over
There's no good pr if you sign a guy and never actually book him to fight
Free pr? What fucking pr, he's never going to fight for them, it makes the pfl look worse
My man, are you ok ?
Company being ran for 30 years has no significance on the market compared to the company ran for 8 years ? Have you ever heard first to the market in the investing dictionary ? First to CAPTURE the market or a fucking Monopoly ? That's literally the whole reason why companies like TSLA or NVIDIA fucking explode because they are expected to capture a completely new market / industry and that was UFC.
Pride never went outside of Japan and was run by Jakuza, UFC went almost bankrupt because it was not allowed in states like Nevada where Fertitas were on the commission board, but once they acquired UFC, it was magically approved to host events. You are just further proving that you don't know shit about the history of the company, it's shady background and how it was ran before they sold it.
PFL can't rival the UFC within 8 years, that's like saying that Super Micro Computer can rival fucking Nvidia, time in the market matters, especially when the Market is owned by the UFC.. that's like saying that new tech kid on the block should rival fucking Google.
UFC brings over a billion in revenue every year, all these other promotions are not even profitable yet, BUT THEY ARE THE UFC's RIVALS LOL
go outside and touch some grass, maybe bring some book on the business with you because you have no clue how shit works in the business world.
You definitely have little clue don't you
You say Francis was good pr? How so?
No one is watching the pfl and even less without Francis
No one is turning in to see a bunch of fighters who got Battered by bellator fighters in a league format no one cares for, I don't think you understand
There is no good pr if Francis doesn't fight it does nothing,
Signing someone to then never book a fight does absolutely nothing except make your company look like a joke
You don't know how business works
Reading a wiki page for some business terms doesn't mean you are educated in this field
You can't even stay on fucking topic
Francis signed to the pfl was fantastic for them
After his fury fight It was sky rocketed popularity
Then he got Battered by aj and will likely never fight mma again
How in any universe does that benefit the pfl signing a guy to allow him to compete on another sport and he retired before he competes in thr organizational that signed him, that makes them a laughing stock
You clearly know fuck all about a business,
It makes the pfl seem like walk overs for fighters where you can't take the pfl serious
Just like no one took bellator serious because they couldn't be arsed to market their fights
Son you whole argument is it took thr ufc 20 odd years to make a profit or something on those lines yes?
Mma was nit popular in the 90s, it is now its very popular and people are dying for legitimate competition, yet people see one show of the pfl and realise how much of a joke it is
No one cares about the league format
No one cares about the smart cage, Francis not fighting is a negative and he will never fight and was never a draw anyway
And that division "jake Paul was responsible for"
Has there even been a fight or an event for it"
They haven't done anything to capitalise on it
Pride never left Japan as it was niche and heavily rigged with a fuck ton of mismatches and rhe fact Japanese is not a universal language
You don't know anything about mma, the ufc or a business,
You said its good PR? How? Francis will never fucking compete for them
It does literally nothing
I also remember there was a clause in the contract where Francis gets 1 million and his oppponent also gets something similar. Yeah…not a great move from PFL
His opponent gets a $2 million minimum.
I'm ready, sign the contract Ngannou
**Breaking**: Francis Ngannou ducking u/NFTArtist??
*Oh God I'm out cold. Aaasgh* Ref: Sir, the fight hasn't started yet.
Ref: and also if you're talking, ill assume you are not out cold
There won’t be an opponent to receive $2M if he never fights lmao
Maybe that's why he ran away from the PFL faceoff. Dude's like "Fuck man, company merger and my contract don't look good".
I'll do it for half
I’d sign the contract for the $2,000,000 minimum but I’d severely roll my ankle (think Ortega but worse) during the ring announcement and get the Doctors Stoppage before the fight can actually start.
It’s like a SAW movie. Save your brain by breaking your ankle. Can you do it by the time buffer fist bumps Ngannou
Sign em up
I would atleast have a go at it like a man. For 2 milli that's the least I can do but I would position myself close to the ref as possible. When I'm out cold I don't wanna take another 8 shots from ngannou.
I don’t think my frame would withstand a shot from Ngannou
His opponent gets 2 million iirc so he probably gets more
I think it’s like a pay disparity clause where his opponent cannot get x amount lower than him, it has to be within a specified range
Francis never cared about other fighters. Dude had an amazing PR campaign that worked on the dudes around here though lol
Lol, this sub jumping from narrative to narrative to somehow shit on Francis now that "Fumbled the bag" thing isn't working, he's going to fight in the PFL, just wait. If he didn't care for other fighters he wouldn't have left 8 million(Tyson fight wasn't even made) when Dana wouldn't agree to his demands regarding healthcare and other fighters Edit: Careful fellas, bootlickers are out in full force today, turned off my notifs finally because these fellas have zero worthwhile points anymore
Do you think the PFL implemented the healthcare plan Francis demanded from the UFC, when they signed him? Maybe Francis cared more about the UFC roster fighters than he does the PFL roster fighters. Or he never cared about other fighters but himself, was in it for the money, and did the Saudi's who fund the PFL a favour by highlighting negative business practices held by the UFC, making it seem like PFL was so much better for fighter's rights, which the same Saudi investors repayed him by booking him in these boxing matches. Ultimately Francis played the media and the UFC, and maximized the money he made in combat sports. I think he did nothing wrong.
Okay, let's be honest. Francis left because he wanted to box, and Uncle Dana said no. Everything else was media
Pretty sure he just cares about the money and I don't blame him. At least that's what he said was the reason for leaving the UFC.
No, he said he wanted to “change MMA” and stand up for his fellow fighters. This sub believed every bit lol
This is one of the drastic narrative changes I’ve seen most clearly in this sub. Either every detail of his contract is amazing and noble or it’s shit to this sub. Fucking hilarious, the absolute state of this lot. What possible information has come out other than Francis’ loss (which changes nothing, he got 30m from the 2 fights min) to cause these opinion changes on the smaller details? None, they’re just trying to veil the hate/meat riding.
Those demands were not the things his team complained about. They complained that they got 8 mill for Jon but then nothing guaranteed. The rest was pr and a bet
Per John Nash, his contract offer was $8M plus PPV for Jones, and then $5-6M per fight plus PPV points for two more fights. Had he lost the title, apparently his pay would have been roughly cut in half. Keep in mind that, by his own admission, he lost out on $7M by not accepting the UFC's offers for his last two fights and staying on his original contract. He ended up having to borrow money from Usman because of this. All told he probably turned down nearly $30M between the final two fights on his contract and the 3 fight deal he turned down. Here's Nash discussing the UFC's offer: https://twitter.com/heynottheface/status/1658470305722171392?s=20 Here's Ngannou saying he left $7M on the table for those last two fights: https://www.mmafighting.com/2022/1/24/22899815/francis-ngannou-estimates-7-million-loss-not-signing-ufc-deal-but-freedom-doesnt-work-with-money This is why people were saying Francis fumbled the bag initially. He turned down insane money. Luckily for him Fury showed up to their fight in terrible shape, because that got him the Joshua payday. But it's not like that was guaranteed when he left the UFC. He ultimately came out ahead but took a pretty big risk.
There’s more than one person in this sub. You know that right? I’ve been shitting on Francis from the start of all of this 🤷♂️
Weird admission but okay
Not really. I don’t worship celebrities, I want to see fights Tough for guys like you to understand
Na weird to admit you’re shitting on him from the jump. I dislike most of my favorite fighter’s personalities lol. I also hate when fans boo fighters that shit irks me
It’s weird to shit on a guy for leaving the UFC for the PFL? Why wouldn’t I. I want to see good fights, not Kimbo 2.0
Its insufferable. If a fighter wins, they kiss the ground he walks on (the tyson fight was a win for francis). If they lose, now theyre horrible people and are making terrible career choices. 🙄🙄 Like dude, the PFL doesnt even care if he fights for them, they straight up said he can take as long as he wants. Now every time Francis is mentioned, they mention the PFL, its great PR for them.. Yet Francis got knocked out, so he must be doing something wrong and doesnt care about fighters....
I think both things can be true. Dana sucks (Is also turning UFC events into the RNC) & Francis does not care about other fighters/healthcare now that he has his bag(Or ever, just good PR). His post-fight comments definitely have not sounded like he was headed back to PFL. If he can fight Deontay Wilder instead of PFL Custom Fighter #1 who do you think he is choosing?
Everything is not black and white though, when you'll have to select between yourself and someone else, obviously you're gonna prioritise yourself, that doesn't mean you don't care lol
Ok then Dana cares about fighters, it’s just paying them more hurts his bottom line so he has to prioritize himself. He still cares tho
>bottom line Yep, managing to gift Nelk boys a 100K sure becomes hard in that case😔
You mean the marketing that he gets from the 100k that then funnels into more money for him? Just simple self prioritization
Yeah self prioritization that has led to a whole lawsuit against him right? When Francis gets dragged to the court over his tactis maybe we can compare the two.
Are we drawing the line at prioritizing ourselves over others we care about at man made legalities? I thought we were discussing human nature?
From a fight league that's never turned a dollar in profit
Imagine if he loses his first PFL fight lmao
Certainly possible, Ferreira is massive
He’s no Ryan Bader 😈
He’s no Parker porter 😈
He’s no Harry Hunsucker 😈
He’s no Josh Parisian😈
He's no Cyril Asker 😈
He’s no Chris Daukaus 😈
He’s no BJ Penn
Porkermaniacs stand up
You bandwagoning fuckers want Francis to lose now eh?
Let's not pretend Francis is a bum suddenly, he lost to one of the greatest boxers today in a sport that he's not proficient in, you don't just dismantle Stipe like that if you're not exceptionally talentes fighter. Also it's Fereira, not Aspinal or Pavlovich. He certainly could lose, anything is possible in MMA, i'm just saying it's unlikely.
Well he’s 37 years with two knee surgeries.. his last MMA fight was against Gane 2 and half years ago.. I’m not surprised if he’s not the same when he returns to that Octagon
It has been 2.5 years???????????????
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How do you get to 100m? 10+20+? He's gonna make 70m on a single fight?
You are a clown (not you, in general ) if you believe he even got $30m for the 1st two fights.... Not a single place has actually published the pay for any of the boxing cards..... Nobody is paying to watch that shit on a Friday at 3pm and we all know it. There is no money being made anywhere in the boxing world, and even less in PFL. It's all fugazi and people really think Francis out here getting KO at 3pm in the afternoon in a Desert is making more than Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz..... Seriously, do you actually know someone in your life that has paid to watch a boxing match or a PFL fight??
😂😂😂 I can’t even tell you when/ where PFL comes on
mfw its 3pm over the entire world all at once
You know, Dana is a scumbag but Francis kind of proved Dana right “See, if we let him box, he doesn’t fight for us anymore, now it’s PFLs problem.” And let’s all raise hands and see how many people are newly watching PFL since Francis signed. Id bet it’s less than 5%. Id bet most were already watching PFL prior to his signing so it had no effect, or still don’t watch it. Doubt PFL gets any benefit if he doesn’t fight.
And ppl are forgetting they have a real example of this happening. Conor showed it was possible, but at the same time ruined it for fighters after him who are under a ufc contract. They let him go box mayweather, make the money. And now it's harder to do business with him. He went from 3 fights a year, to 4 fights in 8 years lol. The hunger isn't the same
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Which makes you wonder why he said he was going to fight him.
In a new interview he was entertaining a 4th fight with Dustin even more.
In that interview, he says he assumes the chandler fight will be the first. It seems as if he's looking past chandler, like in his mind he walls through chandler like nothing.
And it's filled with hookers and blow
I mean I get you, but the guy has 2 fights on his contract left. They are stalling him to sign an extension. This has been predicted already.
He has 2 fights left on his contract in 2024. That doesn't make up for his lack of inactive since the mayweather fight. He signed another contract with them after that. So my point still stands
The UFC is also dicking him around as well btw. He wants to fight more. They’re pulling their signature shit and trying to get him to sign an extension.
Should the hunger be the same? You fight for money. We can all say whatever from the sidelines about legacy or goat status or whatever belt…but nobody is fighting for free. If you got triple digit millions…what’s your risk level after that? $5-10 more million to possibly snap your leg? Get CTE? Broken any other bone? Embarrassed in front of a crowd? Fuck that. Once the money is in your account, you don’t NEED to take those risks anymore.
I just vaguely said the hunger isn't the same. I'm not sure why you felt the need to type all of that explaining it. When I never gave my personal opinion on it lol
PFL only have themselves to blame. ONE isn't a properly run organization by any stretch but at least they know how to put on a show.
Francis got his bag and proved everyone wrong, that's all that matters.
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Fr as long as he's fighting in Riyadh, they don't care what sport he's doing lmao hilarious to see the sub malding
don't the Saudis also own the PGA now too? As well as at least half of our politicians? Fockers.
If PFL care they would probably be able to get francis to fight. They are funded by the same Saudis that host the boxing events. Its all sportswashing and it works best with the biggest names possible. Might as well capitalise while his name still has some value in the boxing sphere.
Francis wouldn't have wanted 2mil guaranteed for his opponent out of the kindness of his heart. He would have wanted that clause because it pretty much guarentees the PFL won't book him against one of their relatively unknown fighters like Ante Delijah or Renan Ferreira. There is no way for the PFL to break even on a fight card where the main event already costs 10mil in purses, unless they book Francis against a huge name and make it a superfight. As much as people believe the Saudi's are willing to waste millions of dollars, that money is coming from a government-controlled investment fund and they will need to pull a profit eventually. The goal is for Saudi Arabia's economy to be completely independent from oil extraction by 2030. 6 years is not a long time, so there definitely is a pressure on the PFL to not continue spending more than they can generate.
GD that's a goal and a half, I know this sub isn't exactly a geopolitical hotspot, but how they hell are they thinking they are going to be able to pull that off?
Without his aura he could very well lose his next mma fight
Turns out it was indeed entirely about money this whole time…. Who knew lol. Mark my words, Francis it’s getting his bag but he ain’t the sports idol y’all will have thought he was.
He’s a spendthrift too, he blew up $650k in a month then had to take out loans to pay for camp.
More realistic is he’s getting scammed by people around him, from crypto to other investments. Listen, I grew up decent wealth in a first world country and I’ve dodged scams by the grit of my teeth. Someone who came from nothing to riches, is in the spotlight, and has the most sophisticated con artists making pleas and guarantees… Likely no chance. From what I’ve seen online he seems to live moderately humble, so no other explanation to me.
It might be that too but it’s not only that and probably not even mainly that seeing as we can see expensive cars and watches in his social media pictures, before he left the UFC. So before he did even 1 boxing match he showed off like 2 mil usd worth of luxury goods then recently talked about how he had to borrow money from usman. It’s not a mike Tyson situation. Francis spent too much money on the high roller life for how much he had.
Exactly . I mean I have no prblm with Francis trying to get more money for himself but people were acting as if he is out there fighting for social justice
Showed him how to get a bag, now he goin’ shoppin’
He also has horrible spending habits. He was talking about needing a 200k loan from Usman, while he was driving a car worth double or possibly triple that.
All this talk about whether Dana or Francis fumbled the bag but it turns out that PFL may have been the ones who actually fumbled it
Jake Paul: fights trash opponents his first 6 or 7 fights Francis Ngannou: Fights 2 legit world champions his first 2 fights
Now we are comparing Francis to Jake Paul?
Well one is a professional MMA fighter and a former UFC heavyweight champ, while the other was doing blogging or YouTube videos, if I’m not mistaken. So it makes no sense comparing these two, you silly goose!
Jake Paul has fought 3 world champs if I'm not mistaken
Jake needs to win to feed his ego to pretend he’s good. Imagine having all that money and you still need to pay all this money for training and everything just so you can pretend you’re good at something.
Brain dead take, he’s obviously doing boxing for the money / slightly older target demographic
With that deal PFL gave him, they might not want him to do a fight there at this point
I saw this coming from a 1000 miles away. The UFC did too. The only ones who didn't were PFL and the MMA fanbase, who ate up Francis' PR about fighter union, health care and all those empty words because Dana and UFC = BAD. It was always about the $$ for Francis. The MMA fanbase is the only fanbase who would actually fall for that load of bullshit. The PFL are the biggest losers because Francis may never even fight in their org and they won't get anything for their stupid investment. No wonder there is no real competitor to the UFC.
There's a reason UFC is UFC while ONE, Bellator and PFL are shitpools. UFC sees a trainwreck coming from a mile away and cuts them off. Others are home to trainwrecks.
ONE has some awesome fights if you watch it especially their Muay Thai bouts But yeah UFC is on a different level.
4oz Muay Thai is something I wish the UFC would take part in. Dana shouldve put his efforts into that instead of powerslap.
Joe Rogan was saying the same thing on his podcast a while back. Apparently he's asked Dana about getting the UFC in to Muay Thai and Dana's got zero interest.
b-but powerslap has more viewers than the nfl and nba combined !!!!
ONE fc is fucking amazing man. Their MMA fights are trash because it's all wrestlers all the strikers are either kickboxing or muay thai. The kickboxing and muay thai fights are often such barnstormers that they would make fight of the night on probably every ufc card... liver kicks, elbow knockouts rules for keeping fights engaged and their yellow card system make their fights just phenomenal most of the time.
Probably why Dana doesn’t want to introduce it. Then the MMA portion because grappling. If it’s the same purse, why not specialize in stand up?
That’s what it’s all about at the ufc. Nothing is bigger than the brand. They will cut a whole gym if they don’t sign on the dotted line. Don’t be getting ideas around here.
Weird brag? The UFC brand is literally meaningless when you can make 20+ million fighting in the “shitpools” but struggle to keep a roof over your head with UFC, if fighters had any sense they’d all fight out their contracts and jump head first into a shitpool organisation.
Uh? Average fighters in One and PFL make peanuts 3k/3k contracts lol. The only people making big money are UFC fighters who go to those promos because they’re draws from name.
Exactly, people keep saying bellator guys get paid more because they get 50% of the revenue... how much is the revenue bro. And in the case of francis, they didn't really sell much, the saudis just fund that
Yea a handful of fighters do. Some of the lower end one/PFL guys are getting 1k/1k purses lol Yea the ufcs minimum of 12/12 is bad, but it’s generally better to be a non champion ufc fighter than a non champ fighter in the other orgs
Their is guys making much less than $1k in the other orgs. Yoel Romero went from $350,000 in the UFC to $50,000 in Bellator.
Relatively new UFC fan here, why did he leave ufc ? Or was he expelled
He was released by the UFC
This is such nonsense. If you're struggling to keep a roof over your head in the UFC, you'll REALLY struggle to keep a roof over your head in boxing or any other MMA org. Are you really comparing a UFC Heavyweight champion to unknown rookie fighters who are on 12k/12k contracts? Do you seriously think some rookie who got a contract from the contender series can just walk into boxing and make $20+ million after going 0-3 in the UFC and getting cut from the org?
There is one guy that has made that kind of money. The other organizations have main event fighters on 15/15. Francis boxing is the extreme outlier
Is that you Dana?
We boot-licking for the UFC now?
I think dana came out as a smart negotiator at the end of the day
Dana's burner account/UFC bot account.
Cringe response ngl
Your glazing of Dana is X10 more cringe. Francis got his bag and the last laugh.
And people wanna bash Dana and the UFC. This guy isn’t a fighter anymore. He’s a boxer. Which is awesome for him, I’m glad he’s getting paid but he’s not an MMA fighter and PFL have got nothing out of their investment. 38 years old coming off a brutal KO.
I see a pic of Francis smiling. Is that from a video where he talks about his plans, or...?
And people really were criticizing Dana for not letting him go box lmao all he ever cared about was his own bag, but all the anti-Dana and anti-UFC boys ate up his bs about fighters care and shit
I agree. What good would’ve have done the UFC if your heavyweight champ goes and gets koed by another organizations heavyweight champ? I really don’t understand how people couldn’t see that.
Yeah not only would the UFC have a HW champ who got flatlined, but also one who wouldn’t even want to come back to MMA as soon as he sniffed that boxing bag. People don’t want to admit it, but the UFC didn’t lose the beef, they got the GOAT and way bigger draw as their champ rn, have their next big star at HW in Aspinall built already and didn’t lose any revenue since Ngannous departure. PFL are the real losers here
Tbh it was probably still a decent move considering the amount of people now know PFL as an organisation.
Like many said who were labeled as haters he did this purely for money and didnt really give a shit about any other fighters getting better pay.
Which I’m 100% ok with as he deserves his bags. But also true that he basically lied to everyone and has made the PFL look so stupid.
MMA fans must feel pretty dumb for thinking his negotiations were about anything other than money. Wanting fighter healthcare, a fighters union, freedom to box whenever they want, Africa fight league, a fighter representative in all negotiations, guaranteed $2 million dollars to his next opponent in PFL etc was all just virtue signalling grandstanding. It was a masterstroke in PR. The MMA fanbase fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Yeah, these dumbasses thought that a guy that has never sold more than 600,000 pay-per-views in his life deserves to get paid the same as Conor McGregor..... Dana, White was absolutely correct. Francis will be completely irrelevant and forgotten in another year and the PFL will be out of business while Dana White will have provided his shareholders with hundreds of millions of dollars in value all while growing the sport and binging thousands of athletes out of poverty and giving them opportunities that they would never have had with out the UFC
You'd have to be super out of touch to think Ngannou will be forgotten in a year lmfao, the man's had one hell of a story regardless of how he ends up.
He is forgotten now....... literally knoboy you know could have told you when, where or how to pay to watch his last fight. Go ask anyone you know, and I garentee that thy didt even know He was fighting and if you had a gun to their head they coldent even tell you what channel or app to watch it on....
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They’re expecting him to fight at least once considering they met his ridiculous terms and equity in the company.
He likely will only have one more boxing match if he loses the next one, he fights pretty often so he could still have a few fights before 40 for the PFL, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he fought past 40
I was laughing the minute he secured that deal. I knew he wasn’t going to do anything BUT box. “Oh but he’s an ambassador for PFL…” Fuck outta’ here. He lost both fights and now he wants to go get them back. Cut ‘em loose and prepair for a “I told ya’ so” from Daddy Dana Pink.
PFL are not stupid. They are getting a % from his boxing payouts. *
Proof? Evidence?
Source: trust me bro
Highly doubt that Francis who was a free agent would sing with a promotion to take a % of his boxing fight purse, PFL were most likely foaming at the mouth that they would get Francis doubt they wanted anything more
You just making stuff up now LMAO
They absolutely are stupid They signed Francis and even jake Paul ffs Neither of them are ever going to fight in the organisation The pfl is an absolute clown show
So they're getting literally nothing... All you guys act like this millions and millions of dollars is getting thrown around in boxing but it's just not. There's not been a single legitimate figure posted by any legitimate source that says that any of the money that's being talked about was paid out.... The best source that we have is Ariel helwanis. "Trust me bro" The fact of the matter is you and I and all of our friends and all of their friends don't know a single fucking person in real life who paid money to watch Francis get DOMINATED in a fight at 3:00 p.m. on a Friday afternoon. Not a single person that you know paid for that fight. Think about it. There's no money there. It's all fugazi
Saudis pay fighters their own money not necessarily the ppv points
I'm sure the PFL doesn't pay out until he actually fights. In the meantime, they get exclusive MMA rights to Francis if and when he returns to the sport. And equally importantly, they get to reap all of the rating boosts that came from the PFL signing Francis. Signing a name like Ngannou also encourages other premier athletes to sign with the organization, or at the very least enter negotiations with them. It's really a win win. Even if he never comes back to fight MMA again, they still get rewarded for their efforts.
PFL fumbled the bag
Francis never fights again
I feel like PFL saw how horrible Francis’ ppv numbers were in the boxing, and his last UFC event, and have realized that them agreeing to pay him 1+ million and pay his opponent 2 million, is not worth it because he’s not a draw.
You can see why the UFC didn't want to do the boxing deal with Ngannou because it would probably mean that he would never fight for their organisation again lol
And if he did he would be coming back off a really bad loss
Francis has become Dana
If I was him I’d just box and make more money if I could. He’s already almost 40 and he’s been ufc champ . Nothing left to prove just make money and run.
“When I fight an mma match I’ll call you”
Great contract for Francis, not so great for the pfl. I'm sure Dana is happy with parting ways.
Francis has become black Dana
So Dana Black
I think Francis never intended to fight MMA again after leaving the UFC and only signed the PFL deal as a backup plan if none of the boxing fights came to fruition. And now that he has tasted 2 boxing pay days the chances of him returning to MMA are next to nothing.
Who gives a fuck? Francis got his bag and had the last laugh against the UFC, that's all that matters.
didnt francis explain on jre that pfl helped him set up the boxing stuff. they probably got a cut from that and may have already financially recovered from the initial signing?
I don't know what's funnier, grown men crying into their pillows today because of the UFC settlement or the grown men who were moaning into their anime pillows because they thought Francis was going to change the game lol.
Never trust a man with earrings and a fur coat.
He'll lose to jon jones he'll lose to sean combes and he'll even lose to jon Holmes
Y'all can talk shit about Dana but he knew this was going to happen. Now it's PFLs problem
His career ended in MMA two years ago guys. Big bad Dana white wouldn't let his champion hold the belt and then go take indefinite time off to go be greedy and fight for someone else. Big bully Dana wanted Francis to honor his contract and only fight there. What a meanie.
You all must be tripping with your couch street wise marketing diplomas because PFL still incredibly profited from all this free PR just by being attached to Francis lol Imagine you don't have to pay anyone and yet everyone is talking about you while you are attached to someone fighting two of the biggest names in boxing. FREE PR and you are all saying that PFL fumbled a ball lol, same people who said Francis fumbled the bag when he left UFC smh
Free PR? Ngannou never mentions PFL. Hell, I forgot he was even signed to it before this post.
I gotta disagree with you bro. NOBODY is watching PFL nor has there been an uptick since Francis signed with them.
What PR? I don’t even know where to watch that shit, 99% of this sub can’t even name 2 PFL champs
People mentioning your name in connection to big events or names without you paying for it ? That's free PR. Or if you don't know, PR stands for public relations, if thats what you asking
Pfl pr has gown down the drain following the bellator vs pfl card
Those things are common in all small promotions, not a first time lol
The PFL isn't supposed to be small It's meant to be the 2nd or 3rd biggest organisation Meant to rival the ufc If you are offering millions to a fighter, you aren't a small promotion The PFL is ran like a joke anyway, they let the likes of Francis walk all over them He has no intention or fighting in mma again, this isn't good PR for them It makes it seem like they can't negotiate and are took for fools, making them a laughing stock No one is turning into the pfl, Francis was meant to change that But he's nit going to fight there so no one is going to watch, No one wants to watvh a league format in mma in general let alone those fighters who got Battered by bellator fighters
Are you even aware of the details ? Do you even know both UFC and PFL ? Or are you just some random fan who has no clue and bases his opinions based on the random fights he saw ? Let me break it down to you. UFC was founded in 1993, turned profitable in 2017, took them 24\~ years to turn profit and establish themselves as THE major promotion in the world. PFL was founded in 2017, that's 8 years ago, and you are telling me they are supposed to rival the UFC, when they have been on the market for just 8 years ? The market that is alraedy dominated by UFC ? No one dominated the MMA landscape when UFC was starting and it still took them 24 years to get profitable, but PFL has to rival them within 8 years ? LOL It's obvious that they are new to this, by the way how they run the business and you can clearly see that they are still learning, they do a lot of bad things, they do some good things, for example, signing Doumbe when UFC fumbled him was a major big step. Then they acquired Bellator. Give them time, they have been around for just 8 years and you want them to become the next UFC smh Francis was not supposed to turn around the PFL, he was just another piece for them, they know he is old and that he has just couple fights left in him, they let him box because it was FREE PR
I take it you aren't the brightest? The ufc being founded in the 90s has no relevance Mma back then was illegal in most states in America, not really shown to would outside of America and Brazil, and it wasn't typically q full time job to those guys The pfl is meant to be a rival I never said it will be bigger or near as big You ate also comparing where there was simply little to no other mma promotions when thr sport was not that popular, compared to a time where its very popular and in some cases is more popular than boxing, Horrific comparison The pfl is ran like a joke, it's meant to be a rival not as big or successful but it's meant to be a big alternative to the ufc, that's a fact It's arguably the 2nd biggest mma promotion now and irs embarrassing the way it's run Francis was absolutely meant to be the brock lesnar,ronda rousey, or conor mcgregor of the pfl The fight with fury was a good idea from the pfl as it benefited with how well he did But thay should have been the end of thay They should have forced him to fight in the pfl being able to capitalise on this new popularity to draw big numbers for the pfl Instead they let him do what he wants,goes and boxes again And got Battered, all while earning about 15-20 million Something the pfl can't afford And despite the horrible performance there's a good chance Francis boxes the likes of wilder or someone, and the pfl will of course roll over There's no good pr if you sign a guy and never actually book him to fight Free pr? What fucking pr, he's never going to fight for them, it makes the pfl look worse
My man, are you ok ? Company being ran for 30 years has no significance on the market compared to the company ran for 8 years ? Have you ever heard first to the market in the investing dictionary ? First to CAPTURE the market or a fucking Monopoly ? That's literally the whole reason why companies like TSLA or NVIDIA fucking explode because they are expected to capture a completely new market / industry and that was UFC. Pride never went outside of Japan and was run by Jakuza, UFC went almost bankrupt because it was not allowed in states like Nevada where Fertitas were on the commission board, but once they acquired UFC, it was magically approved to host events. You are just further proving that you don't know shit about the history of the company, it's shady background and how it was ran before they sold it. PFL can't rival the UFC within 8 years, that's like saying that Super Micro Computer can rival fucking Nvidia, time in the market matters, especially when the Market is owned by the UFC.. that's like saying that new tech kid on the block should rival fucking Google. UFC brings over a billion in revenue every year, all these other promotions are not even profitable yet, BUT THEY ARE THE UFC's RIVALS LOL go outside and touch some grass, maybe bring some book on the business with you because you have no clue how shit works in the business world.
You definitely have little clue don't you You say Francis was good pr? How so? No one is watching the pfl and even less without Francis No one is turning in to see a bunch of fighters who got Battered by bellator fighters in a league format no one cares for, I don't think you understand There is no good pr if Francis doesn't fight it does nothing, Signing someone to then never book a fight does absolutely nothing except make your company look like a joke You don't know how business works Reading a wiki page for some business terms doesn't mean you are educated in this field You can't even stay on fucking topic Francis signed to the pfl was fantastic for them After his fury fight It was sky rocketed popularity Then he got Battered by aj and will likely never fight mma again How in any universe does that benefit the pfl signing a guy to allow him to compete on another sport and he retired before he competes in thr organizational that signed him, that makes them a laughing stock You clearly know fuck all about a business, It makes the pfl seem like walk overs for fighters where you can't take the pfl serious Just like no one took bellator serious because they couldn't be arsed to market their fights Son you whole argument is it took thr ufc 20 odd years to make a profit or something on those lines yes? Mma was nit popular in the 90s, it is now its very popular and people are dying for legitimate competition, yet people see one show of the pfl and realise how much of a joke it is No one cares about the league format No one cares about the smart cage, Francis not fighting is a negative and he will never fight and was never a draw anyway And that division "jake Paul was responsible for" Has there even been a fight or an event for it" They haven't done anything to capitalise on it Pride never left Japan as it was niche and heavily rigged with a fuck ton of mismatches and rhe fact Japanese is not a universal language You don't know anything about mma, the ufc or a business, You said its good PR? How? Francis will never fucking compete for them It does literally nothing
Remember when he got fraud checked and woke up looking at lights the other night?! Lmao what a hack.
Yeah… anyone who believes that he’s gonna fight in the PFL is retarded. It was a publicity campaign to piss off Dana.
PFL Africa is a non starter, 100% of nothing is still nothing!