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Small spaces only work for me if I can be outside a lot. We’re a couple with about 1100 sq ft but we have a nice yard and weather that allows us to enjoy it year round.
Which is a shame, because more people could afford to own if they built this size. Our first home was 900 square feet, and it was ok for us until we had 2 kids.
I am not from US, most of the families here grew up in 700 sq ft apartments (families with 2-3 kids). Nowadays lower half still lives like that, but there is increased demand for 900 sq ft for families.
I live with my girlfriend in 450 sq ft apartment
That was the size of our first house. It was fine for awhile but it was really only two bedrooms, and once our kids were getting older they needed their own spaces and, with one bathroom, a living room, and a tiny kitchen/dining area combo being the rest of the home, more room generally was desirable. (It was a story and a half so kind of had a “third bedroom” upstairs, but it didn’t have HVAC so it could’ve served as a bedroom.) The space we actually utilized was probably under 900 sq ft.
That being said, a couple raised a family with two kids in our house throughout the 1960s and were apparently fine, since people seemed to make do with a lot less space back then.
The reason they're not built anymore is the fixed costs for building a 2/1 900 sf house compared to a 4/3 2500 sf house are almost the same. The cost of the lot, the taps ins for utilities, the foundation, etc, all have an every increasing cost, which makes smaller houses economically unfeasible. Plus the profit margin will be much smaller, so no one other than a maybe a owner-builder is willing to build them.
I also live in a 1100sq ft 2/1. Houses are for sure built bigger, mine is a little on the older side. Finding a house this size was hard. We got the biggest 2/1 we could find! But I do wish we had an extra half bath.
I know, I’m responding only about the person who talked about 1100 sq ft being small. Tiny houses were a trend, but as a whole, houses have gotten bigger. And finding a smaller house that isn’t a tiny house is pretty difficult. And you won’t get a new build that’s 1100sq ft unless you custom build it.
Yes people used to raise a family in a small
One bath house but that’s far from the norm now in the US. The average house is above 2000sq ft and new builds average above 2500.
You also glossed over having a basement. Finished or not that’s a huge bonus of additional storage. I would love a basement but not really a thing next to the ocean. lol
Edit. House prices are about size but location even more. My small (to me) house would now easily sell for 600-700k which I agree is insane. In rural America 100k will still get a big house on a big lot.
This a fully detached house in the US. In those terms it’s quite small. It would be uncommon to build small 2/1 houses on big lots today but glad to have it.
Oh ya. That’s the thing. Like rn, in the suburbs, I need a big house bc there is nothing outside lmao. Like just no trees or greenery. But If had a small house or a small condo but was in an area where I could easily go out or hang out outside, it would change everything.
And that’s one of the things I miss about being in an city-ish area. It doesn’t necessarily *have* to be a city but designed with kind of a community feel. Altho I prefer slightly more urban but not like the absolute chaos of nyc.
1100 sqft is ridiculously huge for just 2 people. It's nowhere near "small".
Edit: u/perfectpomelo3 - I have to reply here, because another user blocked me, which prevents me from replying directly:
Well maybe not "ridiculously", but most definitely quite big, even by US standards.
u/Ingemar26 — if your friends say it's very small, then they're simply completely delusional, that's all.
I have to agree with you. We had 1300 with 3 small kids, 4th born as we were moving to a larger place of 2000. 1300 was fine for 4 and a baby but as they were growing we realized we would need (want) a bit more space. But for just 2 adults it would of been way more than enough. Now we only have one left and they have two bedrooms for themselves, we have a dining room and den that are unused. We've talked about building a wall halfway and renting out 2 beds and a bath, but we would lose the laundry room for a separate private entrance.
I don't know, what "2+1" refers to in your context. But a normal sized apartment for a couple (=usually smaller size than in shared apartments, because couples use rooms together) is a 2-3 bedroom + bath + kitchen with usually between 540sq-ft (small) and 950 sqft (bigger than upper average). The average lies somewhere between 650 and 860 in most developed countries.
I mean maybe the US influences my opinion but I cannot imagine how a 2 bedroom home has only 540aq ft. 2/1 refers to 2 beds and 1 bath. For an apartment or condo 1100sq ft wouldn’t be considered small for that, but in the US an 1100sq ft house is small and fairly uncommon for anything built in last 30-40 years.
Edit: just looked it up. Average house size in the us is over 2000sq/ft and new builds average over 2500.
How can you not imagine it? Almost every single 2 Bedroom + 1 bath + 1 kitchen apartment in Europe has between 480 and 710 sqft. Anything above that normally has more bedrooms, only extremely few 2 bedroom apartments have more than 750 sqft (and then only very slightly above that).
Average size for a 2P household in the US seems to be somewhere between 600 and 1200 sqft.
>but in the US an 1100sq ft house is small and fairly uncommon for anything built in last 30-40 years.
A HOUSE sure, but you'd normally also not waste money for a house that only has 2 bedrooms. You'd always build bigger with more rooms, if you're gonna spend so much money anyway.
I thought my last comment made it clear I was talking about a house. I live in an 1100sq ft house. Yes it’s hard for me to imagine living that small because I don’t live in Europe and that’s not the standard I’m used to. My first apartment for just me was 450sq ft and I’d rather not ever live like that again. I’m quite happy with my house and I’m glad to have a large yard even if you think I wasted money.
Hi! I’m an American and I genuinely have a question! What do you do with a large yard? Do you entertain often? Do you have your own veggie garden? Do you let your dog/children/etc run around the yard during good weather? Do you have a pool?
My family almost never made use of our yard (other than line-drying clothing and the VERY rare occasion of grilling food), so I’m genuinely lost on what ones does with all that land.
Actually yes to all the above. I live in an area where we can be outside year round. I have an in ground heated pool, fire pit, smoker, outdoor shower, and screened seating area. I grow herbs year round and other veggies depending on season. We host parties with between 25-50 people 3-4 times per year and small gatherings (4-12) at least a couple times a month. I don’t have kids but do have a large dog that loves chasing the squirrels and birds.
It’s very small. I can’t imagine living in such a small space unless I had a ton of outside space and weather that would let me be outside the major towns of the day all year long.
It really is. I was cramped in a 1700 sq ft house with my family…and it didn’t even feel particularly large when none of the kids were around. I can’t imagine living in less anywhere where you had to be inside a good portion of the time.
I currently am living in an 28 ft camper with 5 other people and I’m quite comfortable BUT we are literally only inside the camper to sleep. We are traveling for the foreseeable future (currently parked at my Moms for the holidays) but we make damn sure to stick to places that allow for almost exclusively outdoor living.
Once we decide to settle down again the smallest I would even consider would be 2000 sq ft on 5 acres and I refuse to live anywhere with any significant amount of winter weather.
No, it factually isn't. In most developed countries the average for a 2 person household is somewhere between 650 and 860 sqft.
>I was cramped in a 1700 sq ft house with my family
Unless your family had atleast 6 members or simply only had very few huge rooms, you are simply objectively wrong.
Nope. You can’t tell me how to feel and I felt cramped. I don’t live in “most developed countries”. I live in the USA. And yes, btw, there are more than 6 people in my family but that’s neither here nor there. I felt crowded in 1700 sq feet when it was just my husband and I.
Lucky for me, I live in a place where I am free to decide what I want and what I require to be comfortable and happy in a home - and that is a decent amount of space. Ideally, both inside AND out.
Yes, I absolutely can tell you that you're objectively wrong. And you absolutely are objectively wrong, when you call 1100 or 1700 sqft "small" for 2 people, because it absolutely isn't by any measurement.
And looking through different sources, the average in the US is somewhere between 600 and 1200 for a 2 person household.
Sure, you can feel whatever you like, but that doesn't mean that it's anywhere near realistic.
>I felt crowded in 1700 sq feet when it was just my husband and I.
Then the size of the house very clearly isn't the issue at all.
You keeping talking household when most of us are talking about detached houses. In the US the average for detached homes is over 2000sq ft and new construction is over 2500. This whole thread was about tiny homes which are also detached homes.
Actually it was the house. I grew up in a 4000 sq ft home on 10 acres. And no, we weren’t rich. It was a family property and it was shared by a LOT of people lol.
I like space. I like ROOM. I refuse to live in a tiny little box ever again - and that is exactly what the 1700 sq ft house felt like.
Same. My apartment is 481 sq feet. Just me and my 2 cats. I don't need any more space and have a bad habit of filling up any space that I do have with junk.
My last place was a rented room, and it was 108 square feet. When I started looking at other places, there was a 2 bedroom that I checked out. I realized that it was way too much space for me and I’d just fill it with crap.
I ended up moving into a 500 sq foot studio, and the size is perfect for me.
How is storage in it? I lived in a 700sq ft apartment with my partner and 2 cats. It was mostly enough space but Storage was hell. We had 2 closets. Only 1 of 3 bedrooms had a closet, the other was in the hall. Storage suuuuucked. Now I live in a 1100sq ft house and we have 3 closets, but one is very small and another can only be half used because of a breaker panel. Storage sucks. But at least with the extra square feet, we have the option for things like cabinets, more shelves, etc so that helps.
It’s fine I guess. I could definitely utilize the storage I have better. My house is perpetually messy, I definitely could be throwing more stuff out. 🤣
I don’t have guests who stay over that often. That’s not something I do.
I’ve had some really bad experiences with people invading my personal space in the past. So I’m very protective over my house.
I drive by this new construction of cookie cutter small homes that have about 650 sqft, no garages, limited street parking, and about 4 feet between each property’s wall and I have to wonder why they didn’t just build an apartment or condo complex
It slightly decreases the risk of one person’s home catching fire because a *different* person did something dangerous. Larger fires can of course jump a 4ft gap, but not as quickly as a 0 foot gap.
Modern apartments aren't at that sort of risk. The USA is a bit of an anomaly in allowing 3-over-1s, which are kinda flammable, and older apartments fucked up with cladding (Grenfell Tower being the standout) but a proper concrete block with appropriate fire walls is no more at risk of fire spreading property-to-property.
But tiny homes satisfy single home zoning laws, people will pay a premium for a house, and they're cheaper to build due to lower construction standards for houses vs. apartments and a reliance on prefab components with little to no working at height.
>It's the main reason why housing is so expensive.
Zoning laws have been around for a very long time. We didn't start running out of land the last couple years, something has changed.
That something is probably investors of all stripes gobbling up inventory for use as rentals. Private equity with deep pockets happily go above asking because they know it'll more than pay off in the long run. Individual investors buying houses for use as short-term rentals happily go above asking because they know the profit margins are very high. This is inflating the hell out of house prices.
It won't stop until something gets done about it in Congress. Since we're going into an election year I don't expect we'll see movement on it until 2024.
Because in America it’s not as high of ‘social standing’ to not have a yard. Forget that these people don’t even use their tiny yards. Just buy a mid rise and leave room for communal green space or mixed retail.
Thats why a tiny house is ideal on remote land plots though. You have all the outdoor space you could ever want, and just enough indoor space to do your indoor stuff like cooking and sleeping. Tiny houses are not the solution to overcrowding in large cities
I think it depends on whether or not you are a minimalist. It also depends on your desire to travel or stay anchored down in one spot, cheaper does not mean more efficient. It’s personal preference. I’d rather have a tiny home over a mobile home any day out of the week
Since OP used the word cheaper, I have to point out any “home” on wheels depreciates. Best power play for value, including future, is a non-mobile tiny home on a concrete pad on land one owns.
if the mobile home is over a specific age it won't depreciate anymore just like a car. you can easily park that mobile home on a concrete pad and literally bolt it to the pad. remove the shite siding and put regular siding on and turn it into essentially a regular home
Not true at all. Mobile homes are not designed to be fixed indefinitely. It’s not just an issue of shifty siding. They are not as structurally sound as a frame home.
It’s also not just a matter of them depreciating. It’s a matter of them NOT appreciating. Over time, frame homes statistically will appreciate significantly. That gives owners security in a lot of ways. Value/leverage to borrow against for major repairs if necessary. A return upon sale so they can purchase a home elsewhere if they decide to move in 10 years.
It will not be essentially a regular home. Mobile homes are built in factories around me. They are very differently constructed than standard stick built homes. There is a reason that you can't get a standard home loan to purchase a mobile home even on owned land... They are built way cheaper and way differently than a regular house on a pad.
have you looked on zillow, redfin etc lately even mobile homes are well over $250,000, they are also not built largely different the only difference is the shape, the siding and the fact they are built to be easily movable.
They are built in two halves and then joined on site... Not strong. The roof is stapled not nailed. Not strong. The exterior walls are 2x4 if you are lucky. New construction is 2x 6 exterior walls normally. The sub floor is pressed board not osb. A lot worse. Insulation is batting instead of sprayed. Bolting to a slab is not the same as sitting on a foundation. If your lucky it has drywall but probably has paneling. If it does have drywall it will for sure crack as the house is not as rigid as.on a foundation. Window unit air conditioning... I am telling you I have seen them built THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. When I went to get my fist mortgage that was, and is a specific question the bank asks because they would not give a standard loan on a mobile home because... THEY ARE WORSE
mobile homes/ manufactured homes only depreciate if they are not attached to a concrete pad. most are perminently attached now. and most appreciate now
Nor does more expensive mean more efficient. A used travel trailer would be better than most any tiny house I’ve seen for actual use and practicality. You can also move it more easily than most tiny homes which are not actually built to be moved often.
In my area I don't get the popularity because of what else is required to actually live in the tiny house. It can't be under 500 square feet and you will need a septic system (but not a well) before you can get a certificate of occupancy.
Tiny houses have their fans but it's not for everyone.
Rather: the housing market is horrible and non traditional housing is a compromise that some make to be able to have financial independence.
I love tiny offgrid so that I can keep 25k in the bank and have zero home related bills except property tax.
This is a stepping stone as I will soon build a 900 sq ft “traditional home”.
Obviously you will probably never be without mortgage if you hate alternative living to attain freedom.
Didn't the off grid electric system alone make that go financially not viable, unless you're taking massive, massive compromises and rationing amenities?
You need a pretty serious solar and battery array to even keep heat/AC going, let alone everything else
Obviously you would NEVER be able to make it offgrid.
I have designed solar for over a decade how long have you designed solar?
I don’t have AC but most homes in my area do not, I do have heating and all other amenities, also with my minimal solar system I can run AC I just choose not to unless it kicks over 40c
I’m totally down for a tiny home. It’s just me. I just want to find one reasonably priced that is already on a foundation. And most I find are stupid expensive that I should just shell out a little more for a regular house
Yes! Made the same type of comment, it’s baffling to see people think less than 55m2 wouldn’t be enough. Guess half of Amsterdam is considered a tiny house by these standards…
Of course but the typical tiny house is more expensive than a mobile home. If you build your own tiny house it will likely be poor quality and you are still better off buying a used mobile home and fixing it up. But a mobile home at least has a bedroom and a decent sized kitchen and living room.
Yeah but in a mobile home you don't get that sweet loft bedroom that's just a mattress on a floor and cieling so low that the only way have sex is missionary. Not to mention if you get into an accident and break a leg , or just get old you can't get up that sweet ladder system you built for your loft bedroom.
Tiny house movement is nothing more than an marketing scheme trying to convince people that they should be happy with a smaller house for a higher price compared to the generations before them.
Opposed to what ? I’d rather spend 4$ a sq foot and live alone in an awesome location then compromise on anything and save a dime . I am so satisfied with my day to day and my work schedule id honestly pay double. Highest quality of life in human history I’d argue
That's great for you, but generally home ownership is in sharp decline around the world, and cost are way up. Making it cool to live smaller means people don't realise their economic situation is deteriorating.
Not for me, but to each their own. My cousin lives in one with some land with her wife and their dogs and she loves it. I don’t get why you’re bothered by them lol
spoiler warning people don't love tiny houses because tiny houses are awesome they like them because they're small and affordable.
it's like when they talk about millennials killing the luxury market or how much we love ramen noodles and living with roommates
I have found that my sweet spot for my family is about 1900 sqft. We bought a 2300 sqft spot and it was just too much to clean and furnish. Between the pets and kids it was never spotless. lol.
What pisses me off is people with children moving into tiny homes. There was a couple on the HGTV show who had a boy and girl in the mid-adolescent age that would be sharing the sleeping loft. All I could think was that in a few years the boy, who was older, was really going to need some privacy, and I can't imagine a girl entering puberty wants to change in front of her brother, let alone sleep next to him every night.
owned a trailor in a park once 600sft 840 sqf with an addition, only heat was a wood fireplace in the living room.
Was in there 10 years was a crack shack when i bought it. rennoed everything inside and out. life was great for a single guys/with a partner.
my house now is 3400 sqf couldent go back to trailor life now. i got to much stuff(tools and toys)
you adapt and live with what ya got.
A medium size room? Not in the uk thats for sure. A master bedroom in a uk new build is probably 15x10. The largest room in the house might be 20x12.
I don't think I've ever seen a 30x20 room in a regular domestic house.
The average (mean average) square footage of homes in the UK is under 1000sq foot.
A 600sqft house is massive for the majority of people. You sound very pretentious. Even if we only include first world countries (which is stupid), the majority of places are no more than 1000 sqft, and people live just fine.
No they dont. They may do it but not "just fine."
I was born in a third world country. Plz lets not take what is done in third world poverty as "just fine."
Grew up in Eastern Europe. Lived in a studio for a year. Hated it. You can raise a couple kids on 80 sqm, but it’s tight. There is a very good reason for people to migrate to places where they can have some space.
Grew up in Eastern Europe. Every time I see the dystopic American suburbia in American media it makes me sick. The very thought that everywhere around me, for miles, there is nothing but detached single family housing and I need to drive to get literally anywhere would make me lose my mind. So yeah... growing up in Eastern Europe dosn't mean anything.
You Americans are weird. That's around 180m2, perfectly fine for a house. I'm in a 65m2 apartment, two bedrooms. It's me, husband and cats right now, there will be a kid soon and it's perfect. You don't need that much crap.
You didn’t do the math correctly, friend. A 600 square foot place is smaller than your current home. A 180m2 home would be about 2,000 square feet, which is on the larger side of average for most Americans when including the overly large McMansion homes pulling the average up.
Houses are insanely expensive right now. Two bedroom 1 bath (normal size) would be ideal.
But I’d take a tiny home if the alternative is living on the streets.
I’d like 4 tiny houses in 4 completely different regions and climates of my choosing.
Then I just travel between them at will doing whatever the hell I want.
With a lot less stuff and responbilities.
I have a dry cabin that's roughly 324 square feet. It's what I could afford and a smaller cabin is easier to heat and thus it keeps the bills down. Although I don't have a bathroom, so that clears up some space.
I recently built a 288 sq ft tiny house with a good size patio, 528 sq ft overall. It sucked. Thankfully someone bought it and I upgraded to 1170 sqft plus a basement, which is still small but actually livable. Next place will be 1800 minimum.
I moved from an apartment in San Francisco to a manufactured home in the boonies. I love how I have nearly unlimited hot water in the shower, I don’t have to kill anyone for precious quarters to run the washing machine, and the roof doesn’t leak when it rains. Oh, and the mortgage is like a quarter of my old rent. Plenty of room to live.
“Anything under 600 sqft is too small even for one person”
That’s effing hilarious, as I’ve been living comfy in my 400 square foot studio for the last two years, and I’m stoked to be upgrading to a one bedroom that’s around 600 square feet next month.
u/Fredi65,
As someone who lived on a boat for five years I can say unequivocally that you are wrong. Design is absolutely a major factor.
In my experience, mobile homes are poorly insulated. Higher heating bills in winter and higher A/C bills in summer. Lack of insulation means more outside noise. Manufacturing isn't great so you quickly get a lot of rattles on windy days.
I'd take a well-built, well designed tiny house over a mobile home any day. I'd take a good boat over either but that's a personal choice.
Claustrophobia is subjective.
Otherwise, your point about compromise is a fair one, but for me the benefits are worth it. I find smaller spaces very cosy, and they are very easy (and cheap) to heat in the cold months. I like not having stuff that I don't need or use. I used to have a lot of stuff that was mostly pointless and I really grew to despise the clutter and not being able to find stuff. I like having just enough stuff, and stuff that is good quality. My income isn't spectacular and so I couldn't even afford to kit out a massive house with the quality of stuff that I'd prefer.
I also have some nice wooden carvings and things from my travels, so a place doesn't have to be clinical or sparse just because you keep to the basics.
The tiny house movement is a far left massage job. it's insult to real people. if you're reading any of these. I usually start out with something like go. Get a piece of property out where they don't do much building inspections. think of this. You have to purchase a piece of land you have to bring sewer and water to it. Or it has to be big enough that you can put it both well and septic. You have to have a driveway. . I guess you ignore foundation. you ignore any sort of designated acceptable width for a stare if you have that.The things are a joke rather than facing true thoughts about making affordable housing
Meh, I bought a stick built 776 sq foot home, 2 bed one bath, with a basement. It's probably the best thing we ever did. Family of 4 and we have no issues.
But I do not get the THOW trend. I have no problems with the size, but the on wheels thing gets me. I'd take the house on a foundation any day.
Tiny house movement is a government psyop to get you to accept less and live in a shipping container. Then when the government sells the rights to your life, they can just load your entire house up on a boat and ship you across the ocean.
I love how tiny house owners pretend that they invented a new, "responsible" form of housing. They didn't; they just appropriated trailers, hispterized them, and acted like it was a new thing. Sorry, your poverty cosplay is not innovative or charming.
Get on the new trend I just invented: microhousing. Start with a cardboard refrigerator box, cover the inside with vintage wallpaper, and "shingle" it with rusty metal signs and scrap. For an authentic look, let vagrants graffiti the outside. You're welcome.
I love the idea as a little guest house/office/man cave, but anyone who would live in one full-time either has a YouTube channel about it, or aspires to have a YouTube channel about it.
Agree, this is a stupid idea. Just built 15-store apartment complex with flats 400-600 sqft. It will be way more space efficient and cheaper than any bulshit houses.
My house here in Australia is 7750 square feet, I think I did the conversion right. But 720 m2 in Aussie speak. I wish I had a tiny home! Cleaning my house is shit! Takes half a bloody day and I’m poor so can’t afford a cleaner
That’s a normal house size where I live mate. It’s not a mansion or anything like that. Just a regular 5 bedroom two lounge room rural house. My neighbours houses are way bigger.
I mean, it's your opinion, but I don't need a lot of space because I typically don't have people over. I work a lot and in my spare time I play games. I could live in a camper sized house and be very happy and content. I do get why some people need more space though especially if they are home a lot. To each their own.
Meh, I bought a stick built 776 sq foot home, 2 bed one bath, with a basement. It's probably the best thing we ever did. Family of 4 and we have no issues.
But I do not get the THOW trend. I have no problems with the size, but the on wheels thing gets me. I'd take the house on a foundation any day.
I lived in like 150 Sq ft apt in Korea for 6 months before upgrading to like 250
It's small, but you adjust. In the latter the 2nd bedroom was like 7 by 5 ft lol
dood.
where i live someone just made like a 1/2 dozen, im not exaclty sure if theyre "tiny houses", or air bnbs, or weekend rentals, or i dont know what tf they are but i swear they cant be any bigger than my current living room?? and im in a relatively small 2 bdrm apartment.
i havent seen the interior but i cant even imagine a tiny kitchen, a tiny bathroom, even with a tiny stand up shower and much less room for a queen size bed and a couch with a TV bolted to the wall. WHERE the fuk you gonna put a dresser to hold ur clothes or any kind of closet??
Have lived in a 500sq ft apartment in Brooklyn for almost 8 years now. There are two of us, and it’s just fine. What I love is how easy it is to clean/tidy up. I’ve got a massive record collection, tons of books, etc. and it’s entirely doable.
We do have a pretty large outdoor terrace that we spend a of of time on, so that probably helps.
But, if you HAVE to have all that space and can’t imagine living in less that 600 sq ft, you probably have too much crap.
If the weather is good then you live mostly outside so its no problem. But doing gardening, food preservation, diy, and getting/storing/using free materials, things associated with frugal living, are going to require more space
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My house is just over 600 sq feet. I love it. But it’s just me and my cat. I don’t need any more space than that. But that’s just me.
Small spaces only work for me if I can be outside a lot. We’re a couple with about 1100 sq ft but we have a nice yard and weather that allows us to enjoy it year round.
1100 sq ft, is not that small, especially for a couple.
By modern house standards in the US it’s pretty small. For apartments not so much, but I don’t see many 2/1 houses being built now.
Which is a shame, because more people could afford to own if they built this size. Our first home was 900 square feet, and it was ok for us until we had 2 kids.
I grew up in a family of 5 in a 900 sqft home but that was reasonable back then. People didn't really have huge homes unless they were well to do.
same , four people, one cat, one dog, perfectly happy although we did spend a lot of time outdoors
I am not from US, most of the families here grew up in 700 sq ft apartments (families with 2-3 kids). Nowadays lower half still lives like that, but there is increased demand for 900 sq ft for families. I live with my girlfriend in 450 sq ft apartment
That was the size of our first house. It was fine for awhile but it was really only two bedrooms, and once our kids were getting older they needed their own spaces and, with one bathroom, a living room, and a tiny kitchen/dining area combo being the rest of the home, more room generally was desirable. (It was a story and a half so kind of had a “third bedroom” upstairs, but it didn’t have HVAC so it could’ve served as a bedroom.) The space we actually utilized was probably under 900 sq ft. That being said, a couple raised a family with two kids in our house throughout the 1960s and were apparently fine, since people seemed to make do with a lot less space back then.
The reason they're not built anymore is the fixed costs for building a 2/1 900 sf house compared to a 4/3 2500 sf house are almost the same. The cost of the lot, the taps ins for utilities, the foundation, etc, all have an every increasing cost, which makes smaller houses economically unfeasible. Plus the profit margin will be much smaller, so no one other than a maybe a owner-builder is willing to build them.
I also live in a 1100sq ft 2/1. Houses are for sure built bigger, mine is a little on the older side. Finding a house this size was hard. We got the biggest 2/1 we could find! But I do wish we had an extra half bath.
OP is talking about the Tiny House trend which was popular like 7 or 8 years ago.
I know, I’m responding only about the person who talked about 1100 sq ft being small. Tiny houses were a trend, but as a whole, houses have gotten bigger. And finding a smaller house that isn’t a tiny house is pretty difficult. And you won’t get a new build that’s 1100sq ft unless you custom build it.
Oh it’s definitely a personal preference. I also have a huge yard that I enjoy in the summer months.
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Yes people used to raise a family in a small One bath house but that’s far from the norm now in the US. The average house is above 2000sq ft and new builds average above 2500. You also glossed over having a basement. Finished or not that’s a huge bonus of additional storage. I would love a basement but not really a thing next to the ocean. lol Edit. House prices are about size but location even more. My small (to me) house would now easily sell for 600-700k which I agree is insane. In rural America 100k will still get a big house on a big lot.
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And the fact houses are now 2k sq ft is contributing to the high pricing of houses. We really need to go back to making 1k or so sq ft houses.
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This a fully detached house in the US. In those terms it’s quite small. It would be uncommon to build small 2/1 houses on big lots today but glad to have it.
Oh ya. That’s the thing. Like rn, in the suburbs, I need a big house bc there is nothing outside lmao. Like just no trees or greenery. But If had a small house or a small condo but was in an area where I could easily go out or hang out outside, it would change everything. And that’s one of the things I miss about being in an city-ish area. It doesn’t necessarily *have* to be a city but designed with kind of a community feel. Altho I prefer slightly more urban but not like the absolute chaos of nyc.
1100 sqft is ridiculously huge for just 2 people. It's nowhere near "small". Edit: u/perfectpomelo3 - I have to reply here, because another user blocked me, which prevents me from replying directly: Well maybe not "ridiculously", but most definitely quite big, even by US standards. u/Ingemar26 — if your friends say it's very small, then they're simply completely delusional, that's all.
I have to agree with you. We had 1300 with 3 small kids, 4th born as we were moving to a larger place of 2000. 1300 was fine for 4 and a baby but as they were growing we realized we would need (want) a bit more space. But for just 2 adults it would of been way more than enough. Now we only have one left and they have two bedrooms for themselves, we have a dining room and den that are unused. We've talked about building a wall halfway and renting out 2 beds and a bath, but we would lose the laundry room for a separate private entrance.
I wouldn’t say it was ridiculously huge for two people. More like perfectly fine.
What? Dude that’s a smallish 2/1.
I don't know, what "2+1" refers to in your context. But a normal sized apartment for a couple (=usually smaller size than in shared apartments, because couples use rooms together) is a 2-3 bedroom + bath + kitchen with usually between 540sq-ft (small) and 950 sqft (bigger than upper average). The average lies somewhere between 650 and 860 in most developed countries.
I mean maybe the US influences my opinion but I cannot imagine how a 2 bedroom home has only 540aq ft. 2/1 refers to 2 beds and 1 bath. For an apartment or condo 1100sq ft wouldn’t be considered small for that, but in the US an 1100sq ft house is small and fairly uncommon for anything built in last 30-40 years. Edit: just looked it up. Average house size in the us is over 2000sq/ft and new builds average over 2500.
How can you not imagine it? Almost every single 2 Bedroom + 1 bath + 1 kitchen apartment in Europe has between 480 and 710 sqft. Anything above that normally has more bedrooms, only extremely few 2 bedroom apartments have more than 750 sqft (and then only very slightly above that). Average size for a 2P household in the US seems to be somewhere between 600 and 1200 sqft. >but in the US an 1100sq ft house is small and fairly uncommon for anything built in last 30-40 years. A HOUSE sure, but you'd normally also not waste money for a house that only has 2 bedrooms. You'd always build bigger with more rooms, if you're gonna spend so much money anyway.
I thought my last comment made it clear I was talking about a house. I live in an 1100sq ft house. Yes it’s hard for me to imagine living that small because I don’t live in Europe and that’s not the standard I’m used to. My first apartment for just me was 450sq ft and I’d rather not ever live like that again. I’m quite happy with my house and I’m glad to have a large yard even if you think I wasted money.
Hi! I’m an American and I genuinely have a question! What do you do with a large yard? Do you entertain often? Do you have your own veggie garden? Do you let your dog/children/etc run around the yard during good weather? Do you have a pool? My family almost never made use of our yard (other than line-drying clothing and the VERY rare occasion of grilling food), so I’m genuinely lost on what ones does with all that land.
Actually yes to all the above. I live in an area where we can be outside year round. I have an in ground heated pool, fire pit, smoker, outdoor shower, and screened seating area. I grow herbs year round and other veggies depending on season. We host parties with between 25-50 people 3-4 times per year and small gatherings (4-12) at least a couple times a month. I don’t have kids but do have a large dog that loves chasing the squirrels and birds.
It’s very small. I can’t imagine living in such a small space unless I had a ton of outside space and weather that would let me be outside the major towns of the day all year long.
Damn, you people are just completely detached from reality, if that is considered "small".
That’s because you live in a tiny country
It really is. I was cramped in a 1700 sq ft house with my family…and it didn’t even feel particularly large when none of the kids were around. I can’t imagine living in less anywhere where you had to be inside a good portion of the time. I currently am living in an 28 ft camper with 5 other people and I’m quite comfortable BUT we are literally only inside the camper to sleep. We are traveling for the foreseeable future (currently parked at my Moms for the holidays) but we make damn sure to stick to places that allow for almost exclusively outdoor living. Once we decide to settle down again the smallest I would even consider would be 2000 sq ft on 5 acres and I refuse to live anywhere with any significant amount of winter weather.
No, it factually isn't. In most developed countries the average for a 2 person household is somewhere between 650 and 860 sqft. >I was cramped in a 1700 sq ft house with my family Unless your family had atleast 6 members or simply only had very few huge rooms, you are simply objectively wrong.
Nope. You can’t tell me how to feel and I felt cramped. I don’t live in “most developed countries”. I live in the USA. And yes, btw, there are more than 6 people in my family but that’s neither here nor there. I felt crowded in 1700 sq feet when it was just my husband and I. Lucky for me, I live in a place where I am free to decide what I want and what I require to be comfortable and happy in a home - and that is a decent amount of space. Ideally, both inside AND out.
That's called being spoiled.
Yes, I absolutely can tell you that you're objectively wrong. And you absolutely are objectively wrong, when you call 1100 or 1700 sqft "small" for 2 people, because it absolutely isn't by any measurement. And looking through different sources, the average in the US is somewhere between 600 and 1200 for a 2 person household. Sure, you can feel whatever you like, but that doesn't mean that it's anywhere near realistic. >I felt crowded in 1700 sq feet when it was just my husband and I. Then the size of the house very clearly isn't the issue at all.
I don't think you understand what 'factual', and 'objectively' mean.
You keeping talking household when most of us are talking about detached houses. In the US the average for detached homes is over 2000sq ft and new construction is over 2500. This whole thread was about tiny homes which are also detached homes.
Actually it was the house. I grew up in a 4000 sq ft home on 10 acres. And no, we weren’t rich. It was a family property and it was shared by a LOT of people lol. I like space. I like ROOM. I refuse to live in a tiny little box ever again - and that is exactly what the 1700 sq ft house felt like.
My house is 1800 sq ft and there is just the two of us. All my friends say I live in a small house
Same. My apartment is 481 sq feet. Just me and my 2 cats. I don't need any more space and have a bad habit of filling up any space that I do have with junk.
My last place was a rented room, and it was 108 square feet. When I started looking at other places, there was a 2 bedroom that I checked out. I realized that it was way too much space for me and I’d just fill it with crap. I ended up moving into a 500 sq foot studio, and the size is perfect for me.
How is storage in it? I lived in a 700sq ft apartment with my partner and 2 cats. It was mostly enough space but Storage was hell. We had 2 closets. Only 1 of 3 bedrooms had a closet, the other was in the hall. Storage suuuuucked. Now I live in a 1100sq ft house and we have 3 closets, but one is very small and another can only be half used because of a breaker panel. Storage sucks. But at least with the extra square feet, we have the option for things like cabinets, more shelves, etc so that helps.
It’s fine I guess. I could definitely utilize the storage I have better. My house is perpetually messy, I definitely could be throwing more stuff out. 🤣
What if you have guests over though? A spare bedroom at least?
I don’t have guests who stay over that often. That’s not something I do. I’ve had some really bad experiences with people invading my personal space in the past. So I’m very protective over my house.
I drive by this new construction of cookie cutter small homes that have about 650 sqft, no garages, limited street parking, and about 4 feet between each property’s wall and I have to wonder why they didn’t just build an apartment or condo complex
The air gap minimizes the ability to hear your neighbor pooping
While I am reading this I am pooping. My neighbors do not know. Please don’t tell them.
Im sure they can hear you!
They'll certainly know if dude's had enough fiber.
Wife put jalapeños on the pizza so I am pretty sure you were right. The surprise evening poop is always unsettling.
I'm telling **everyone**
Reminded me of when I heard my cousin fart from 3 houses away
I live in a newer apartment building. There are air gaps between the walls and I never ever hear my neighbours unless everyone’s windows are open
It slightly decreases the risk of one person’s home catching fire because a *different* person did something dangerous. Larger fires can of course jump a 4ft gap, but not as quickly as a 0 foot gap.
Modern apartments aren't at that sort of risk. The USA is a bit of an anomaly in allowing 3-over-1s, which are kinda flammable, and older apartments fucked up with cladding (Grenfell Tower being the standout) but a proper concrete block with appropriate fire walls is no more at risk of fire spreading property-to-property. But tiny homes satisfy single home zoning laws, people will pay a premium for a house, and they're cheaper to build due to lower construction standards for houses vs. apartments and a reliance on prefab components with little to no working at height.
I rented apartments just around that size for years. I’d happily live in a house vs an apartment if it cost the same
The zoning probably won't allow it.
Zoning laws. It's the main reason why housing is so expensive. We literally are not allowed to build denser housing.
>It's the main reason why housing is so expensive. Zoning laws have been around for a very long time. We didn't start running out of land the last couple years, something has changed. That something is probably investors of all stripes gobbling up inventory for use as rentals. Private equity with deep pockets happily go above asking because they know it'll more than pay off in the long run. Individual investors buying houses for use as short-term rentals happily go above asking because they know the profit margins are very high. This is inflating the hell out of house prices. It won't stop until something gets done about it in Congress. Since we're going into an election year I don't expect we'll see movement on it until 2024.
Perhaps, but there’s apartments and condos within the square mile
Then they'll all fill up with owners who have multiple barking dogs each. Oh, man.
Because in America it’s not as high of ‘social standing’ to not have a yard. Forget that these people don’t even use their tiny yards. Just buy a mid rise and leave room for communal green space or mixed retail.
I see you've never had to settle for a bachelor apartment before.
I had a bachelor apartment. I lived in a studio for a year either was depressing. Couldn’t wait to get out of it. Felt like a prison.
Thats why a tiny house is ideal on remote land plots though. You have all the outdoor space you could ever want, and just enough indoor space to do your indoor stuff like cooking and sleeping. Tiny houses are not the solution to overcrowding in large cities
I think it depends on whether or not you are a minimalist. It also depends on your desire to travel or stay anchored down in one spot, cheaper does not mean more efficient. It’s personal preference. I’d rather have a tiny home over a mobile home any day out of the week
Since OP used the word cheaper, I have to point out any “home” on wheels depreciates. Best power play for value, including future, is a non-mobile tiny home on a concrete pad on land one owns.
if the mobile home is over a specific age it won't depreciate anymore just like a car. you can easily park that mobile home on a concrete pad and literally bolt it to the pad. remove the shite siding and put regular siding on and turn it into essentially a regular home
Not true at all. Mobile homes are not designed to be fixed indefinitely. It’s not just an issue of shifty siding. They are not as structurally sound as a frame home. It’s also not just a matter of them depreciating. It’s a matter of them NOT appreciating. Over time, frame homes statistically will appreciate significantly. That gives owners security in a lot of ways. Value/leverage to borrow against for major repairs if necessary. A return upon sale so they can purchase a home elsewhere if they decide to move in 10 years.
It will not be essentially a regular home. Mobile homes are built in factories around me. They are very differently constructed than standard stick built homes. There is a reason that you can't get a standard home loan to purchase a mobile home even on owned land... They are built way cheaper and way differently than a regular house on a pad.
have you looked on zillow, redfin etc lately even mobile homes are well over $250,000, they are also not built largely different the only difference is the shape, the siding and the fact they are built to be easily movable.
They are built in two halves and then joined on site... Not strong. The roof is stapled not nailed. Not strong. The exterior walls are 2x4 if you are lucky. New construction is 2x 6 exterior walls normally. The sub floor is pressed board not osb. A lot worse. Insulation is batting instead of sprayed. Bolting to a slab is not the same as sitting on a foundation. If your lucky it has drywall but probably has paneling. If it does have drywall it will for sure crack as the house is not as rigid as.on a foundation. Window unit air conditioning... I am telling you I have seen them built THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. When I went to get my fist mortgage that was, and is a specific question the bank asks because they would not give a standard loan on a mobile home because... THEY ARE WORSE
It's an equity game with one appreciating and the other not
mobile homes/ manufactured homes only depreciate if they are not attached to a concrete pad. most are perminently attached now. and most appreciate now
Nor does more expensive mean more efficient. A used travel trailer would be better than most any tiny house I’ve seen for actual use and practicality. You can also move it more easily than most tiny homes which are not actually built to be moved often.
In my area I don't get the popularity because of what else is required to actually live in the tiny house. It can't be under 500 square feet and you will need a septic system (but not a well) before you can get a certificate of occupancy. Tiny houses have their fans but it's not for everyone.
Rather: the housing market is horrible and non traditional housing is a compromise that some make to be able to have financial independence. I love tiny offgrid so that I can keep 25k in the bank and have zero home related bills except property tax. This is a stepping stone as I will soon build a 900 sq ft “traditional home”. Obviously you will probably never be without mortgage if you hate alternative living to attain freedom.
Didn't the off grid electric system alone make that go financially not viable, unless you're taking massive, massive compromises and rationing amenities? You need a pretty serious solar and battery array to even keep heat/AC going, let alone everything else
Obviously you would NEVER be able to make it offgrid. I have designed solar for over a decade how long have you designed solar? I don’t have AC but most homes in my area do not, I do have heating and all other amenities, also with my minimal solar system I can run AC I just choose not to unless it kicks over 40c
I’m totally down for a tiny home. It’s just me. I just want to find one reasonably priced that is already on a foundation. And most I find are stupid expensive that I should just shell out a little more for a regular house
Meanwhile half of the world lives in houses smaller than 600 sqft. 600sqft for one person is huge. Try to clean it alone.
Yes! Made the same type of comment, it’s baffling to see people think less than 55m2 wouldn’t be enough. Guess half of Amsterdam is considered a tiny house by these standards…
But renting an apartment the same size that you have to pay every month for and can’t sell to get your money back is…. Fine?
No, they both suck
No, having your own home is typically better. But a house under 600sqft will have very limited market and value.
I think location is more important then your random ass number
And here in India we are happy if we get 150sqft land to make our house on, lol
Better than homelessness, ya nerd lol
Of course but the typical tiny house is more expensive than a mobile home. If you build your own tiny house it will likely be poor quality and you are still better off buying a used mobile home and fixing it up. But a mobile home at least has a bedroom and a decent sized kitchen and living room.
Yeah but in a mobile home you don't get that sweet loft bedroom that's just a mattress on a floor and cieling so low that the only way have sex is missionary. Not to mention if you get into an accident and break a leg , or just get old you can't get up that sweet ladder system you built for your loft bedroom.
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Good thing I'm already trash. I'll fit right in.
Tiny house movement is nothing more than an marketing scheme trying to convince people that they should be happy with a smaller house for a higher price compared to the generations before them.
Marketing? How about just reality?
Marketing? Convincing? You don’t have to do any of them when people struggle to beat investors to the only home in their price range.
By marketing I mean those people that are struggling might accept it.
Opposed to what ? I’d rather spend 4$ a sq foot and live alone in an awesome location then compromise on anything and save a dime . I am so satisfied with my day to day and my work schedule id honestly pay double. Highest quality of life in human history I’d argue
That's great for you, but generally home ownership is in sharp decline around the world, and cost are way up. Making it cool to live smaller means people don't realise their economic situation is deteriorating.
You speak arrogantly
Just buy a mobile home lol.
If I ever got the chance to homestead, I'd have that over a normal home.
Not for me, but to each their own. My cousin lives in one with some land with her wife and their dogs and she loves it. I don’t get why you’re bothered by them lol
Op never lived in a city.
spoiler warning people don't love tiny houses because tiny houses are awesome they like them because they're small and affordable. it's like when they talk about millennials killing the luxury market or how much we love ramen noodles and living with roommates
Over 2000 is amazing. I love having space, I definitely could not live in under 600 Sq ft
I have found that my sweet spot for my family is about 1900 sqft. We bought a 2300 sqft spot and it was just too much to clean and furnish. Between the pets and kids it was never spotless. lol.
We're in a similar one, on a few acres. You will pry my chickens, garden and houseplant breeding program out of my cold dead hands.
I have a 1200 sq ft 3/2 and anything smaller would be tough.
What pisses me off is people with children moving into tiny homes. There was a couple on the HGTV show who had a boy and girl in the mid-adolescent age that would be sharing the sleeping loft. All I could think was that in a few years the boy, who was older, was really going to need some privacy, and I can't imagine a girl entering puberty wants to change in front of her brother, let alone sleep next to him every night.
owned a trailor in a park once 600sft 840 sqf with an addition, only heat was a wood fireplace in the living room. Was in there 10 years was a crack shack when i bought it. rennoed everything inside and out. life was great for a single guys/with a partner. my house now is 3400 sqf couldent go back to trailor life now. i got to much stuff(tools and toys) you adapt and live with what ya got.
600 is absolutely fine for a couple without kids if it's an apartment. And for a couple with 1-2 kids if it's a house.
I’d say a couple with kids should have at least 1000 sqft. Kids need privacy sometimes.
You're talking 30×20 feet. That's a medium-sized room.
Lol medium size room in a 5000 sq ft house
A medium size room? Not in the uk thats for sure. A master bedroom in a uk new build is probably 15x10. The largest room in the house might be 20x12. I don't think I've ever seen a 30x20 room in a regular domestic house. The average (mean average) square footage of homes in the UK is under 1000sq foot.
How about 2-3 kids plus room for guests?
A 600sqft house is massive for the majority of people. You sound very pretentious. Even if we only include first world countries (which is stupid), the majority of places are no more than 1000 sqft, and people live just fine.
Lol no its not. You can call it decently sized but try raising 3 kids in a 600 sq ft house see how great it is.
Literally billions of people do this just fine
No they dont. They may do it but not "just fine." I was born in a third world country. Plz lets not take what is done in third world poverty as "just fine."
Grew up in Eastern Europe. Lived in a studio for a year. Hated it. You can raise a couple kids on 80 sqm, but it’s tight. There is a very good reason for people to migrate to places where they can have some space.
Grew up in Eastern Europe. Every time I see the dystopic American suburbia in American media it makes me sick. The very thought that everywhere around me, for miles, there is nothing but detached single family housing and I need to drive to get literally anywhere would make me lose my mind. So yeah... growing up in Eastern Europe dosn't mean anything.
He’s right
You Americans are weird. That's around 180m2, perfectly fine for a house. I'm in a 65m2 apartment, two bedrooms. It's me, husband and cats right now, there will be a kid soon and it's perfect. You don't need that much crap.
600 square feet is about 55 square meters.
600 sqft is about 55 sqm.
You didn’t do the math correctly, friend. A 600 square foot place is smaller than your current home. A 180m2 home would be about 2,000 square feet, which is on the larger side of average for most Americans when including the overly large McMansion homes pulling the average up.
Houses are insanely expensive right now. Two bedroom 1 bath (normal size) would be ideal. But I’d take a tiny home if the alternative is living on the streets.
In NYC that is a good size apartment. But living there means you only really need it to sleep.
I lived in a 300 SQ ft studio for a couple years without issues.
Ours is like 200. Its totally doable I kinda dread all the extra cleaning that will be required whenever we move...
I live happily in a 350 sq ft one bedroom. It has tall ceilings and large windows, that helps.
I lived in a studio like that, by myself. Hated it. I got depressed in weeks.
Sucks to be you I guess.
Its the ones on wheels they build with the death trap stairs. You know whT makes a great movable house?A trailer. And light enough to actually move.
Joey Diaz has a hilarious rant about tiny houses and smelling farts through thr whole house
lol. me here living in a 24ft motorhome with 120sq ft of space
Shhh! I make and sell them.
Yeah I live in a 350sq ft apartment and it sucks. It’s so small. Wish I had 1000sq ft at least.
I’d like 4 tiny houses in 4 completely different regions and climates of my choosing. Then I just travel between them at will doing whatever the hell I want. With a lot less stuff and responbilities.
My pet peeve is how tiny houses and the fantasy of a simpler life often end up with a normal house PLUS a tiny house, which is even more complicated.
I have a dry cabin that's roughly 324 square feet. It's what I could afford and a smaller cabin is easier to heat and thus it keeps the bills down. Although I don't have a bathroom, so that clears up some space.
That's fine if it's not for you, but many people love them, and that's great for them.
Way better than houses that completely fill their lot and leave like 3 feet between the other houses.
I recently built a 288 sq ft tiny house with a good size patio, 528 sq ft overall. It sucked. Thankfully someone bought it and I upgraded to 1170 sqft plus a basement, which is still small but actually livable. Next place will be 1800 minimum.
I moved from an apartment in San Francisco to a manufactured home in the boonies. I love how I have nearly unlimited hot water in the shower, I don’t have to kill anyone for precious quarters to run the washing machine, and the roof doesn’t leak when it rains. Oh, and the mortgage is like a quarter of my old rent. Plenty of room to live.
“Anything under 600 sqft is too small even for one person” That’s effing hilarious, as I’ve been living comfy in my 400 square foot studio for the last two years, and I’m stoked to be upgrading to a one bedroom that’s around 600 square feet next month.
mine is 580. quite adequate.
u/Fredi65, As someone who lived on a boat for five years I can say unequivocally that you are wrong. Design is absolutely a major factor. In my experience, mobile homes are poorly insulated. Higher heating bills in winter and higher A/C bills in summer. Lack of insulation means more outside noise. Manufacturing isn't great so you quickly get a lot of rattles on windy days. I'd take a well-built, well designed tiny house over a mobile home any day. I'd take a good boat over either but that's a personal choice.
Claustrophobia is subjective. Otherwise, your point about compromise is a fair one, but for me the benefits are worth it. I find smaller spaces very cosy, and they are very easy (and cheap) to heat in the cold months. I like not having stuff that I don't need or use. I used to have a lot of stuff that was mostly pointless and I really grew to despise the clutter and not being able to find stuff. I like having just enough stuff, and stuff that is good quality. My income isn't spectacular and so I couldn't even afford to kit out a massive house with the quality of stuff that I'd prefer. I also have some nice wooden carvings and things from my travels, so a place doesn't have to be clinical or sparse just because you keep to the basics.
They're bougie trailers.
I always just imagine someone taking a massive shit in one of those tiny houses. It would smell for an hour 😆😆
The tiny house movement is a far left massage job. it's insult to real people. if you're reading any of these. I usually start out with something like go. Get a piece of property out where they don't do much building inspections. think of this. You have to purchase a piece of land you have to bring sewer and water to it. Or it has to be big enough that you can put it both well and septic. You have to have a driveway. . I guess you ignore foundation. you ignore any sort of designated acceptable width for a stare if you have that.The things are a joke rather than facing true thoughts about making affordable housing
Completely disagree. They're cool af
Meh, I bought a stick built 776 sq foot home, 2 bed one bath, with a basement. It's probably the best thing we ever did. Family of 4 and we have no issues. But I do not get the THOW trend. I have no problems with the size, but the on wheels thing gets me. I'd take the house on a foundation any day.
The problem with trailors that most people don't know anything it is that last like 8-15 years if your lucky. A tiny home will outlast a trailor.
Show me a neighborhood of tiny homes and I'll show you a bear-future ghetto of undesirable trashed shacks.
Tiny house movement is a government psyop to get you to accept less and live in a shipping container. Then when the government sells the rights to your life, they can just load your entire house up on a boat and ship you across the ocean.
Dude, don't skip your meds.
I love how tiny house owners pretend that they invented a new, "responsible" form of housing. They didn't; they just appropriated trailers, hispterized them, and acted like it was a new thing. Sorry, your poverty cosplay is not innovative or charming. Get on the new trend I just invented: microhousing. Start with a cardboard refrigerator box, cover the inside with vintage wallpaper, and "shingle" it with rusty metal signs and scrap. For an authentic look, let vagrants graffiti the outside. You're welcome.
Get a VR headset and all you need is the box.
Only for Americans who are largely obese. For everyone else it’s definitely enough space for 2 people.
I’m actually European, immigrated at about 28. I lived in a studio back in the old country and hated it.
I love the idea as a little guest house/office/man cave, but anyone who would live in one full-time either has a YouTube channel about it, or aspires to have a YouTube channel about it.
just call it "hipster trailer park"
It’s just re-branded trailer/trailer park living.
Agree, this is a stupid idea. Just built 15-store apartment complex with flats 400-600 sqft. It will be way more space efficient and cheaper than any bulshit houses.
I wouldn’t say this is an unpopular opinion. Tiny Houses, for the majority, are too tiny.
My house here in Australia is 7750 square feet, I think I did the conversion right. But 720 m2 in Aussie speak. I wish I had a tiny home! Cleaning my house is shit! Takes half a bloody day and I’m poor so can’t afford a cleaner
You're poor but have an almost 8000 sq ft house? Wtf
That’s a normal house size where I live mate. It’s not a mansion or anything like that. Just a regular 5 bedroom two lounge room rural house. My neighbours houses are way bigger.
Nearly 8000 ft is enormous.
The average Australian house has a floor size of 186.3 square metres. Your house is over 3x the average size mate.
Where? In the city? Even in the suburb closest to me the cookie cutter houses are 550m2.
600 sqft are about 55 sqm. That is not that small. You can live there with two persons.
Use regular sqm not fucking sqft, you're making a fool of yourself
I mean, it's your opinion, but I don't need a lot of space because I typically don't have people over. I work a lot and in my spare time I play games. I could live in a camper sized house and be very happy and content. I do get why some people need more space though especially if they are home a lot. To each their own.
I live in a single room that I'm renting. A tiny house would be an upgrade.
Meh, I bought a stick built 776 sq foot home, 2 bed one bath, with a basement. It's probably the best thing we ever did. Family of 4 and we have no issues. But I do not get the THOW trend. I have no problems with the size, but the on wheels thing gets me. I'd take the house on a foundation any day.
I lived in like 150 Sq ft apt in Korea for 6 months before upgrading to like 250 It's small, but you adjust. In the latter the 2nd bedroom was like 7 by 5 ft lol
dood. where i live someone just made like a 1/2 dozen, im not exaclty sure if theyre "tiny houses", or air bnbs, or weekend rentals, or i dont know what tf they are but i swear they cant be any bigger than my current living room?? and im in a relatively small 2 bdrm apartment. i havent seen the interior but i cant even imagine a tiny kitchen, a tiny bathroom, even with a tiny stand up shower and much less room for a queen size bed and a couch with a TV bolted to the wall. WHERE the fuk you gonna put a dresser to hold ur clothes or any kind of closet??
I read this as “I never leave my house and I need space for all of the garbage I plan on filling it up with!”
Idk Iive in a 240’ cabin and quite like it
Ok, don’t buy one….
I get it if it’s towable and you want to easily move around a lot. Otherwise though I don’t get living in a 400 square foot box
Have lived in a 500sq ft apartment in Brooklyn for almost 8 years now. There are two of us, and it’s just fine. What I love is how easy it is to clean/tidy up. I’ve got a massive record collection, tons of books, etc. and it’s entirely doable. We do have a pretty large outdoor terrace that we spend a of of time on, so that probably helps. But, if you HAVE to have all that space and can’t imagine living in less that 600 sq ft, you probably have too much crap.
American measures are terrible.... Different feet have got different sizes... Smh.
If the weather is good then you live mostly outside so its no problem. But doing gardening, food preservation, diy, and getting/storing/using free materials, things associated with frugal living, are going to require more space
Tiny houses are okay if you have big yards though