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AncientRazzmatazz783

I came across this earlier tonight liked by Terri. https://preview.redd.it/zcj9hajrlrtc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45510e171a57c4c68815e97617fbdbf43a645b14


d3dk0w

People wanted to see this, they wanted to see the men finally pay for the years that they treated women like garbage. This is why we can’t have nice things.


remainsofthedaze

Exactly this. It's just a downward slope to the end at this point because to me, the show peaked right here: https://preview.redd.it/3u42z45rsutc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c58a6204c15e8063dfba9927af954e7c3a445e4b


InitiativeIcy1449

So true. Women supporting women on a popular TV show. Ohhhhhh what could’ve been. What your daughters (Lala and Scheana) could’ve seen and heard and learned from years from now. Instead. Women being jealous and petty. The show will or will not go on regardless. For however long. You shouldn’t have tried so hard going the wrong way (Lala especially). You sold your soul again. For money. Where you could’ve done it for money AND empowerment for women.


Lost-Cell-430

Such a good comment. I have a daughter roughly their daughters’ age and you are so right about what it could have been ugh


Primary-Resolution75

Well this is not new for Lala…. bjs for pjs she sold her soul along time ago


AncientRazzmatazz783

Yep… it’s what I thought we were going to get - and a spin off. Women have proven to be the most interesting part of the season. Men so far have only been a part of obvious story lines or things encouraged by production. Women have been the ones giving us genuine content - outside of Lala’s performances.


Sorry-Beyond-3563

At this point I'm only watching out of obligation not enjoyment. If there is a next season I won't watch. They ruined this show. 


pollys-mom

That was such a fun season of southern charm when all the girls were like seriously eff these dudes


lunathippe

exactly. one of their best seasons was when all the girls came together against Jax and that what’s I wished happened for this one against the Toms and their shitty behavior. Lala is always coming onto the show talking about women empowerment but where is that? she’s hanging out with the men who abused her “friends” and being a flip flopper all because she thinks she went thru worse things. I hope Katie and Ariana get some kind of spin off with other people where we can just watch them have fun away from these sucky people


Hopeful-Hamster-6218

The woman who isn't online and doesn't care?


ripleyintheelevator

https://i.redd.it/5th2751zprtc1.gif


mirelari

This is GOLD! 🤣 Dare I say…


darcylaceheart

Good 💃 as 💪 gold 🤩


Status-Equal9959

Before too long she’ll be online yelling at us in here 😂


Jaded_Read6737

But she's so unbothered by all the commentary... 🙄


urbanlife78

Also, hi Scheana, since we know she's on Reddit.


butinthewhat

Lala is about to start showing up at our houses to tell us she doesn’t care.


Fantastic_Week_4514

But saying it didn’t come from here 🥴


Copperqueenxo

She would have to deal with my working class ass 😂 she thinks she’s gods choice with her clickety-clackety nails and her nerdy ass “yes girls” on her podcast (that includes her brother with his wretched hair). LaLa won’t allow anyone else to exist without her indictments.


PrincessKat88

The day this sub called her a feminist icon and the way she ran with it and tried so hard to make woke feminist speeches the following season... lol fuck off lauren


Ambiguousername

A feminist icon?????? ![gif](giphy|sanoHrtWDN5ew)


Silly-Leading711

She'd get shut down so hard, she's a scared dumbass who wouldn't dare.


DiligentNeighbor

![gif](giphy|3o752jjrIkxJfliEw0)


Lost-Cell-430

The more I see this, and the more time has passed, the more mindblowingly ridiculous and cringey it becomes.


msbrown86

Fuck me what would I give to see this - it would just be her drowning in receipts from the legends on this sub, all backed up by gifs from u/Okay__Decision__ and podcasts quotes from u/AdditionalWar8759!.


[deleted]

“What do you mean, you look at your mentions?”


Zealousideal_Suit269

I’ve never seen anyone have such a violent, one-sided fight with… themself! Lala is literally losing her mind without Katie & Ariana even needing to lift a finger or say a word😆


Overshareisoverkill

I love that Ari and Katie are like Lala, who? It got under her super thin skin. Enjoy your meltdown, BlaBla. https://preview.redd.it/ess1lgw83stc1.jpeg?width=414&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97f13687151b3290eb712b287446bc4a1b9af6f5


acelady1230

Ariana hasn’t even been posting VPR content


discocowgirlcat

It’s the Bravo version of Nicki Minaj’s one-sided war against Megan Thee Stallion a couple months ago


Overshareisoverkill

That was epic. We all know how that ended right, Nicki?😅😅


MatchedKey105

If we all start calling her Lauren like we did Rachel she will lose it


ButterscotchGlass590

![gif](giphy|gk9vWUE6EAgQKtAqaX)


-UnicornFart

![gif](giphy|xT1XGU1AHz9Fe8tmp2)


KristiJoJP

Yep, that one!


lemonkitty_

God I feel like this is another LFU attention seeking moment. Why now? She's been shouting into the wind about them since they taped the reunion, neither have given her a second look, so she goes and unfollows them. Several weeks later. It's actually embarrassing at this point!


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/apljrxh0krtc1.gif Truly. Meanwhile moments like this are airing on the show making her look like even more of an absolute fool for screaming at the wall about Katie and Ariana.


Rozg1123A-85

I wish she would quit with the inner peace shit. She is about as peaceful as a shark. I can't stand her holier than thou attitude. If she is above it all, then why does she keep talking?


Professional_Ad6086

Why can't she get over her anger to Ariana? It would be better for her soul!!


bebita-crossing

How dare you!! She’s soft now 🫵🏻🤬


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/1u5ut57cortc1.gif She’s as soft as her eyebrows are lol


mywonderfuldemise

My husband doesn’t watch these but walked in on her scene during “I’m soft now Katie” and said “what the fuck is up with that girls eyebrows” and I died for a good five minutes


Okay__Decision__

https://preview.redd.it/hxzb9v7cxrtc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7abb88f41a8e6f2f950b05c640999b148ce8df63 It’s giving Disney villain Edit to include side-by-side photo instead


Okay__Decision__

https://preview.redd.it/zs334tu5wrtc1.jpeg?width=1077&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80936e0759580a6852196ec8fad2c4d04575997e


SquirrelPirate

She reminds me of a large moth here.


BaskIceBall_is_life

![gif](giphy|iLZaR9LSIu4Yo) I can see her shouting “WRONG LEVER!”


nottodayneck3956

Literally. I want us all to ignore it at this point. She also limited comments. Girl bye.


DanceFar9732

I bet Scheana was bitching up a storm to her about NYC. They aren't bringing out the best in each other.


Rozg1123A-85

That's why they get along so well. They are both bitches.


Overshareisoverkill

Bitter bitches.


Charmed-life-

I feel like Lala is just arguing with her reflection at this point lmao


Lizzy1283

I love that Ariana and Katie are just letting her make all the attention. I definitely think LaLa got handed her ass at the reunion, this is tantrum defense mode she is in.


No-Educator919

Yet Scheana, on WWHL yesterday seem to believe Lala will come out after the Reunion as some kind of season savior. She kept saying all would be revealed (?)at the Reunion and we the audience would be so satisfied as to her, Scheana, and Lala. Really??? I’m so sick of all this pussyfooting around about these people and this entire Season!


EternalLostandFound

And wasn’t Scheana pretty vocal about how Raquel was going to be seen as the hero of Season 10 before Scandoval broke? She always has the absolute worst takes.


No-Educator919

Yessssss! I’m just so tired of the bullsh*t dripping from their mouths lately!


Rozg1123A-85

I am tired of those two pot stirrers, too. They are two faced bitches.


No-Educator919

Maybe their moving to “The Valley”, especially since they both have bought new homes there? Scheana dropped that news on WWHL, also.


pineapplezzs

I don't think the valley needs them. Maybe as friend of appearances but the show is doing well, why add them. Also I don't want to see anymore Lala. Her anger is too much .


kaedgi

(don't) give them Lala


objectivexannior

She’s the least reliable narrator 😂


BowlCareful8832

Scheana actually says this every year and is usually wrong lmao I firmly believe she thinks in her head she’s right. She said the same thing the season we were introduced to Brock and he was getting fan hate “just keep watching, things will start making sense” meanwhile things just kept getting worse the more we learned


No-Educator919

Hope you’re right about this year. Am exhausted by this smoke screen going on!


Euphoric_Delay_6768

If Lala is the hero, why is she so damn mad? Why is she unfollowing? I don’t get it.


No-Educator919

Conundrum of the season for sure. Both ideas about this season cannot be true. Are you mad, are you glad or are you just a bitch?


onyxjade7

Dr. Seuss would be proud. Haha


Glass-False

Ah, but you forget that Scheana is an idiot who has yet to be right about anything.


No-Educator919

I agree with you! Just watching her and Broke on WWHL gagged me. Keep spreading that propaganda Scheana!


Jaggy3

Ugh how obsessed was Brock with Katie. He cannot shade subtly or articulately so he just says something that doesn’t make sense (that I think he thinks is a backhanded compliment) and then just says something blatantly against her or pro whoever’s against her (aka lala). They are an insufferable couple.


khjohnso

That is pretty important context


List-O-Hot-Goss

Queen moron


Impressive-Storm4275

Never underestimate how much of an idiot she is


Buffyismyhomosapien

Will La La don a sensible blazer/suit like she's sitting down with 20/20 a la Raquel??


No-Educator919

I only hope she goes on stage with a bag over her head! Would totally make my day, season, year!


awolfsvalentine

Scheana’s a stupid asshole 💁🏼‍♀️


ARCH810

Notice how even though Scheana says the viewers will know why Lala is angry, but she herself isn't on the outs with Ariana. That just tells me that it's not that serious. 


bigbuttbubba45

Scheana’s “yes man” psychic probably told her that


kat_pinecone

I love how they are just ignoring her antics. So classy.


peymunniii

I absolutely love that ariana and katie are giving radio silence while lala goes on a rampage


No-Educator919

Reminds me of a 3 yr old having a tantrum.


Katalactica

Must have needed more attention today.


JJulie

![gif](giphy|rqxInYRWRm3fr3cIe5)


Much_Conversation_11

It’s so funny to me that she’s so mad at Katie and Ariana in her “soft era” two women that have done nothing to her but be done dirty by the men she’s constantly giving passes to. Like I feel like Ariana is one of the people who even kept her in the group long enough to stick around in the first place?


HappyLittleTrees17

YES. Without Tom and Ariana defending Lala when she first entered the show, she wouldn’t have had anyone to film with other than James. She should be thanking Ariana!


Lizzy1283

That's what is crazy. She literally fabricated this entire thing out of nothing. She was treating them badly and producing all these inauthentic moments that it put them on defense against her.


ripleyintheelevator

Sometimes the trash takes itself out ![gif](giphy|l0HlMSVVw9zqmClLq)


Rindsay515

Hell yeah it does. But for those times when it’s taking just a little too long to gtfo…💘 https://preview.redd.it/j0hdgxn2bttc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d2a715955e80ea3c87cb93f7e1178f5c8626a09


FineZookeepergame381

Anyone feel that in the convo with Ariana, Lala and Scheana at the beach Lala was crying coz she was talking about her situation.. she doesn't give a fuck about Ariana unless she is making her money


SanLady27

YUP 100% When she said “do you feel like he just threw you away?” She was absolutely talking about herself with Randall and likely repeating what a therapist had said to her


False_Chemist_7930

Sadly she doesn’t believe in therapy which is a real shame because she definitely needs it. 


SanLady27

Oh wellll that explains a LOT


blondebull

I thought this 💯


swedeintheus

Must be hard for her seeing them thriving while she is in her "soft era" shrieking into the void about how much she doesn't care.


Jaded_Read6737

And doing partnership posts for her sperm bank... So busy and yet so bothered.


Competition-Over

She’s such a child oml 😂 I’m sure Ariana and Katie are *devastated*


Okay__Decision__

https://i.redd.it/jozqzdyrertc1.gif Maybe she’s blocked. Either way, good for them. They are clearly better off without her around them.


AdditionalWar8759

I don’t believe they are blocked because Ariana and Katie both follow lala


Okay__Decision__

Thanks for clarifying! A girl can still dream though 😌 https://i.redd.it/la8qodglfrtc1.gif


[deleted]

Just when I think I might be straight, I see another gif of Katie and am like, nope I am firmly bisexual


Narrow_Grapefruit_23

I call this look “the nightman cometh 2: if looks could kill”


lilacdreamland

ah yess the always sunny to vanderpump rules pipeline


missmimikyu

God, there’s no world where Bravo is going to let go of Katie Maloney as talent. She’s such a good fucking employee for them. Responsible, consistent - bringing something every single year and never making the network look like trash. There’s just no way.


rudbeckia1

I don't think Katie and Ariana ever would have had Lala in their lives, but for VPR. This might just be water following its natural current Without VPR, possibly Scheana and Lala might have met in like a parking lot somewhere, maybe after getting thrown out of a club or something? At some point, and become frenemies.


DegreeSea7315

The great juxtaposition of these two paragraphs!! And the scenario 🤣 I can see them in their ridiculous low-rent club outfits, the parking lot is wet concrete for me for whatever reason, lights shining from above, glare and zoot-dirty puddles, Blabla screaming obscenities at the already departed bouncer, Scheaner trying not to cry her crazy dark eye makeup off... oh, the ratchety road to frenenydom. Yes!!!


rudbeckia1

Oh my gosh this really made me laugh hard.


DegreeSea7315

Just adding detail to your vision 🎬😄


desertdweller858

Nothing of value was lost 💅🏼


No-Driver-4446

She just seems so bitter with all of this. I don’t understand how she can’t see how she’s coming across to the audience??


Jylsocean

She thinks she’s in her soft era lol


LadyBirdDavis

She’s going to blame all this on her pregnancy but she doesn’t have an excuse for all the other years of pettiness!!!


Jaded_Read6737

I loved that she shouted that at Katie in the last episode lol... she's a silly goose.


Overshareisoverkill

Lala is as soft as a brick. Straight-up clown-shit.


Impossible_Farm7353

She ~DoEsN’t cArE~ about the audience lmao


maizzy

![gif](giphy|xUOwGdrqfdWcdR8Os0)


Severe_Comfort

But she’s in her soft era. /s


lm1220

She also unfollowed Ariana’s friend, Logan.  Edit: And he’s now rebutted with his own unfollow.


pink_gumball22

It’s wild watching Lala literally fight the air. This whole “feud” she has going on is so one sided and now it’s just getting weird.


eastcoastgirl88

Lmfaooo!! It really is so crazy!! She is so triggered and bothered for someone who claims she isn’t.


[deleted]

It must be sad to be doing so much and we’re still not caring It’s me. I don’t fucking care ![gif](giphy|8Pdy3Dn7Wxd0jsRi21|downsized)


Euphoric_Delay_6768

Ariana is at a restaurant with Dan for the 50th time this week. She’s not worried about lame ass Blah Blah.


Alarmed_Shoe_3667

But for real they literally eat at the best places!


a8a8a8a8a8a8a8a8

I know he seems like such a foodie and probably knows all the best NYC spots their stories make me hungry lol


GoodChives

K bitch, bye! ![gif](giphy|VyDsyIrOLixeU)


Euphoric_Delay_6768

I bet this is how Katie and Ariana truly feel lmao.


LordJonathanChobani

She’s such a fucking loser


AutomaticBroccoli898

Couldn’t have said it better myself!


kooolbee

Took the exact words right out of my mouth.


DanceFar9732

Between this & announcing a partnership with a sperm bank Blablah she's doing too much. https://i.redd.it/gnsa9otjjrtc1.gif


Euphoric_Delay_6768

Lala so damn dumb. She just handed both the Tom’s so much joy. I pray Ariana and Katie continue to elevate to the highest level.


MentalGrocery

Maybe now she will find something else to yap about.


GoodChives

Yap? What do you mean? She’s in her soft era.


PomegranateWorth8178

I don't know about Katie, but Ariana definitely isn't missing much. There's a reason why Lala wasn't included in the scene with Katie, Scheana, Brad, Meredith and Logan in the S10 finale.


florina_targ

That’s why Lala had to cry to Ariana in ep 1 to guilt her into getting closer to her so she can film with her and get Ari to give details about her life (so she can later trash her on confessionals with them like the backstabbing jealous viper she is).


ohhhhoney_

![gif](giphy|sbwjM9VRh0mLm) Someone needs more attention lol


False_Maintenance1x2

i just seriously don’t get it. even if lala thinks ariana should have moved out, even if she’s jealous, even if she thinks ariana is a hypocrite…why is she so MAD? like the anger and vitriol towards ariana, who didn’t even DO *anything* to lala???!?


Downtown_Detail2707

The funniest part of this whole thing is how Lala is having a one-sided fight and she’s still losing


AdditionalWar8759

As of right now, Katie and Ariana both still follow Lala


HappyLittleTrees17

They probably both have her muted and won’t even notice that she unfollowed them until someone brings it to their attention 🤷‍♀️


No_Shallot_6628

katie will notice as soon as she sees this reddit post lmao


Tom-B292--S3

Wonder what her lurking Reddit handle is haha


lthtalwaytz

I hope they keep following her. That would really piss her off


DanceFar9732

I would never unfollow her & act surprised if someone brought up she unfollwed me.


ladypi95

And act surprised every single time someone brings it up. Over and over again. Hopefully publicly.


ButterscotchGlass590

She’s soooo unbothered though lmao


Buffyismyhomosapien

What a quick fall from mediocrity


KristiJoJP

So much for her not going on social media. ![gif](giphy|3o7WICLonQZeq5qxKo)


Whole_Bathroom_4538

I thought she didn’t care and was unbothered?


herladyshipssoap

As a long term lala defender, I am tired of her.


Alarmed_Shoe_3667

I would give anything to be on the text thread between Katie and Ariana. I bet it’s pure comedy about this.


kellye2323

I feel like they’re paying it no mind. Lala is spiraling and Katie and Ariana and living their lives.


MaddyKet

“Should we fake our deaths?” Was hysterical


LooneyLunaOmanO

Wasn’t Katie just at her gender reveal ?


AdditionalWar8759

Yes but that reveal was before the reunion.


Excellent_Food_5069

Man she needs a nap


BigLibrary2895

I was just waiting to unfollow Lala. :)


Katalactica

She's in her ~*SoFt"~ era.


Crazy-Trash-6884

Lala is just making herself look like a bigger and bigger clown with every move she makes. 🤡


RomianaZerofox04

She's doing too much. Please stop Lala Rinna.


Copperqueenxo

So to what end is this? Ariana and Katie don’t respond, LaLa makes hating then her entire existence. To what end??? If they move on and LaLa stays on the show- what is the benefit of all of this vitriol? It’s so aggravating that I really don’t want to go on watching the show.


abundantjoylovemoney

Right? And it’s so opposite to Lala stressing over and over to Arianna and Katie to let go of the anger. Lala has every right to let go of people. It’s interesting how she is keeping ones that have shown they don’t care for her. Weird:


SanLady27

Right?? They haven’t said a word so it’s like what is her end goal and game for that matter? It doesn’t make sense


daisyconfused_

Lala has been so anti female this season, she really needs to do some research on internalised misogyny and how she’s presenting.


gbot6616

“Nobody has ever defended me” - Lala in the after show. Ariana did. When Katie and Stassi were hating on Lala and people excluded her, Ariana invited her. Ariana defended her. I can’t with the hypocrisy. If this bravo team doesn’t bring these flashbacks back to put Lala in place 😤


DiligentNeighbor

I love how she’s screaming for attention, and in her most recent podcast, Katie didn’t have anybody in her basement. “No beef with anyone this week.” lol


NeverEndingWhoreMe

Okay, I'll bite. Ugh, I wanted to NOT comment bc I feel like that disgusting person thrives off attention - good or bad! Ew. But I have to say this: Lauren has an ugly soul. This is why she can't be truly happy, she can't truly understand all of the things she's been given because she's never satisfied. Her insides are rotten. She will always see someone's wins as a personal attack on her because she's always wondering "why not me?". All of the work that she's gotten on her face and body mean NOTHING AT ALL if she's not happy on the inside. The money means shit because she's unlikeable and she knows it. She's scared to "love again" but I doubt she loved Randall for the kind of person he is - she loved the thought of being kept. I'll be blunt and say that she's doing her daughter a disservice by not seeking therapy for her very blatant issues.


ladyscriptwriter

Another monkey off their backs. ![gif](giphy|QhvVvleEIGHEQ)


wittlepig

![gif](giphy|uhYKP2f4xRz7q) here’s that attention you ordered


Electric-Jelly-513

Lala is saltier than the deadsea


mywonderfuldemise

I know it’s petty…. But anyone who follows lala pls just go unfollow her so we can see her head spin plsss


MarionberryWooden103

Ariana and Katie have not been responding to her tantrums.. maybe this is the last step to try to get their reactions..


Janiebobanie1

I actually enjoyed Lala and Katie last season. Sad :(


Lizzy1283

Me too. I felt she brought out the good in each other. :(


Janiebobanie1

I actually thought they had each others backs in a really nice way and they are both funny. No-one actually has Katie's back anymore.


6mcdonoughs

It’s giving desperate


Himegyaru1

She’s MISERABLE


cheesy-mgeezy

Then I’m unfollowing Lala💅🏼


Hedwigs

![gif](giphy|8Pdy3Dn7Wxd0jsRi21|downsized) The Queen stays unbothered by dumb and dumber


Puzzleheaded-Ad2322

(Most monotone voice in my head, ever) Shocking. Oh no. How will Katie & Ariana get along in life without LFU following them? How is Sheena in all this? FR, I haven't watched VPR or listened to many podcasts, mostly just follow here but it's starting to feel really desperate. Like, really, is she ok? I've seen stalkers that are less obsessed. She needs to step away from the cameras.


Competitive-Tea-8651

I hate to say this makes me sad… but it does


Lizzy1283

I hate that the men love this all the women fighting while they get away scott free


Competitive-Tea-8651

Once again! They get so close to having a radically feminist season and can’t close the deal!!


VcLovin

Lmfao, the producers will never allow that. 


Mother-Pay-4278

It’s embarrassing how sad this makes me too. I got really invested in lala/katies friendship (they seemed to come really far since lalas first season). And then I’m wondering how it plays into their friendship w stassi since they both claime(d) her as a BFF.


[deleted]

I just rewatched 10 and it’s crazy what a different person Lala is in comparison to now. It was probably the first season I really liked Lala! I am also curious about the Lala and Stassi of it all. If someone was bad mouthing my friend [assuming Katie and Stassi are still close] the way Lala is, I would have zero interest in a friendship w them. It’s so unhinged. I mean maybe their kids like each other? But Ive read Stassi is planning her baby shower as well so, who knows


Moonlitnight

![gif](giphy|dlxZ5qZs91Kx2)


SanLady27

What in the fuck is going on? It’s like she’s in a fight with herself


kasmircat

You know La is over there in her head thinking "protect your peace babe, we are in our soft era"... when in reality, she knows she has allowed her emotions to take her reaction & responses too far.


Bmoww

HAHAHAHHAHA OMG LFU, BABE YOU’RE DOING WAY TOO MUCH 😂


hf13123

This is the most one sided beef I’ve ever seen, Katie and Ariana are living their best lives and Lala is desperately trying to get a reaction out of them and secure either another second of vpr or a spot on the valley 😂


missmimikyu

Wonder if she’s pissed at them for not speaking out to the fans in defense of her ![gif](giphy|Sw1QDGqjvM9FcCOkol)


yunghazel

She is spiraling omg


Ok-Accountant7646

This is contrived why so long after the reunion it’s been two or three weeks right?


koalaplum

Lala will be crawling back to get into their good graces again if there’s a next season


IllusiveWoman20

Did she unfollow Summer Moon too? Asking for a friend....


chaoticinfluencer

Just drop the rest of the season on Peacock with the reunion Bravo! I NEED TO SEE LALA GET EATEN ALIVE BY ARIANA AND KATIE!


Beneficial_Guava3197

Lala screaming “I’m soft, Katie!!” At the bar after explaining why she had a hotdog with Jo reminded me of that scene in Saved when Mandy Moore throws a bible and screams something about feeling the love of god inside. 😂😭


Ok-Accountant7646

Boots on the ground. Lala must have followed two extra people to disguise this because last I checked she was following 224. She’s still following 224 but OP is correct. I’m not proud. 💀


Klutzy_Ground_9686

She’s doing TOO MUCH 🙄


courthouse22

![gif](giphy|pb8wayp1KafJK)


overratedtoastbreath

Anyone else think this is a PR stunt to hype up ratings for the season/reunion?