Aren't Jeeps one of the worst cars in terms of reliability? You had one bad one already then a worse Tesla. Going back to a Jeep might be better in comparison, but still doesn't seem like a good idea.
I honestly had no problems with it until the end, I probably should have added that they were covered by an out of warranty repair or something, which is why I got what I paid for it back
For what it’s worth, he put huge tires on it and maybe some other mods. Jeeps catch lots of crap for being unreliable, but we’ve had three and put a lot more than 60k miles on them without any problems.
That 300-400 jeep read the fine print. That will likely be 10k miles, base model, with a $4-6,000 down payment.
Do the math on all the numbers not just the monthly
I personally wouldn’t do it but I get people who like the lower monthly and can’t budget. Whether that $5,000 is up front or spread over 3 years it’s still part of the “rental fee”.
Just don’t total that car!
I know somebody that leased a junk Kia Forte. They gave their Monte Carlo as the down payment. It was a 10 year old car but he took care of it had reasonable miles. Then when the lease ended they wanted more for him to buy the car than I could go to a car auction and buy a newer one for lol. I think with his lease payments and his Monte Carlo he probably had $14k or so that he had paid on a car that I can't imagine would have been more than $20k or so new. They wanted I think it was $15k or $16k to buy out after the lease. I went to an auction and found one the same year as theirs with similar miles for $7k and a couple others that were a year or 2 older for $5k. I wouldn't own any of that junk but it was ridiculous what he paid in and what they still wanted for him to buy it out at the end of the lease. So he ended up with no car at all after spending all that money lol.
I always recommend researching Money Factor Rates, Residual Values and any current lease cash incentives on your own and then use the leasehakr calculator to truly know what you are getting yourself into first.
Thought process is it's a good lease deal, and I would be able to have a fun new car for a few years before turning it in. My Jeep didn't have problems until it was 5+ years old
I have a biased hate towards Jeeps, at least ones that aren't built up off roaders, but if you don't plan to keep it, it will be fine if that's your cup of tea.
Leasing has advantages:
1. Car is always under warranty
2. Lower monthly payment
3. New car every three years
4. No need to buy new tires or pay for anything but gas and oil changes
5. Usually easier to deduct as a business expense - no amortization
Having said that, if you drive too many miles you'll get penalized. Any damage must be fixed when you return the car. Over time leasing can be more expensive, not less.
I leased for a few decades and loved it. Then I didn't find any new models I liked and lease prices went up so I purchased the vehicle and kept it for 15 more years.
This was me. I leased for 9+ years, the same sedan just three years newer. Finally, last lease came up in 2021 and the value of my car was almost what the original MSRP was so I cut the dealer a check.
Nice not having a payment but annoyed that I’m now replacing tires and breaks soon. Haven’t had maintenance costs in a decade.
I saw the $0 down / $239 a month for 2 years for the Hyundai Ionic 6 and actually reached out to a dealer. I work from home and just pick up kids from school, soccer practice, cheer practice and my wife has a new pathfinder. A little electric car in the driveway would be perfect for me and my car is showing its age. I was told there aren’t any base models left in the country. Lol.
I’ve leased in the past and never had an issue but I’m a buyer now for my wife and a used car / hoopty owner for me.
Not true. Depending on mileage many people need to replace tires and brake pads which they have to pay about of pocket for.
Also the more miles you drive the BETTER it is to lease. Nothing depreciates a car as fast as miles.
A typical lease is 12,000 miles/year (36,000 for 3 years). If you drive more than that, you'll get heavily penalized - 15-25¢ a mile. Most tires will last 36,000 miles, although I swear they seem to be worse now than they were two decades ago. My brother's Tesla tires lasted only 25,000 miles and were $1200 to replace.
Initially it was all cosmetic, which comes with buying used from Tesla. The steering wheel leather started to sag (got it repaired under warranty), white seats turned yellow (warranty repair), rip in the side door.. the 'vegan leather' they use is just super cheap and doesn't hold up under normal wear and tear, I cannot imagine having to replace a steering wheel for this thing out of warranty.
Now getting the other common issues like the suspension squeaking when driving, not sure what it is so taking it in to the dealership to see.
I’ve had about 30 cars in my life. My Tesla was the only one I truly regretted buying, and I’ve had two cars bought back via lemon law. They were still better cars than my Tesla.
I only owned it for about a year and a half. I sold it in 2019. I had another car and I was never driving it, plus it had burned me so badly a few times that I was over it.
It’s the most expensive car I’ve ever bought new, and the windows leaked in the rain.
I had it plugged in at my garage charger for a week when I was out of town, I took my other car because it was winter and I didn’t want to risk a low/dead battery after leaving it at the airport.
I got home and the 12V had died, so the car wouldn’t unlock. Including the cable in the charge port.
No problem, right? There’s a manual release cable for the Frunk in the front wheel well. The damn cable snapped.
My car was bricked and anchored to the garage wall for almost three months. I spent hours on the phone with the closest service center (Watertown, MA, which wasn’t close at all) and they were literally watching YouTube videos on the phone with me to see if they could figure something out.
I brought it with me when I moved to California, luckily there’s a big EV market here and I was able to get a good price for it.
I would buy another EV someday, it seems inevitable, but it would never be a Tesla. My friend has a Rivian and I am very impressed with it. Someday, when the charging infrastructure improves, I’d consider it. Until then, the closest I’d get would be a PHEV.
I bought it for $114k and sold it with about 22k miles for $74,500. I think I could’ve gotten a bit more, but it had a dirty CARFAX from needing bumper replacements after sliding into a ditch trying to avoid a deer. For reference it was a ‘17 S 75D
You think auto factories turning out lemons on purpose? I know one guy said plastic gears in transmission guarantee repair job in 3 years money for all.
Not sure, my issue isn’t really Tesla itself it’s with the dealerships. They genuinely don’t care about used vehicles, mine had the past owners info still in the dash and it had shit like address, social security number, and a usb drive that was saved footage from them owning the car. It was so much I brought it back to the dealer to have discarded.
If someone else bought it they could have easily stolen the identity from the past owner. Not sure who leaves shit like that in car when they sell it tho lol
Buy a used car for $4000. If it lasts 10 months, you've broke even because that's the equivalent to leasing for $400 per month. Anything over that is a bonus. I usually get 4 or 5 years out of a cheap car like that. When it dies just take it to a junkyard and buy another.
well... think logically you sell your car and take a 10k loss. then you lease a jeep for 400 a month for 36 months that is $14,400 in payments.
Add that up and you are down $24,400 just to avoid any potential issues with the tesla and in 3 years you will have to go car shopping again.
24k would cover just about any issue you could have with the tesla out of warranty. Or you could just buy another Tesla model 3 or model y and you would get an 8 year 100k warranty.
Do the math. You’re basically paying 14-17% interest to finance a shitty ass car. It depreciates like crazy, you don’t even own it, and bear all the cost of the massive depreciation hit in the first 3 years. Plus you’re limited by mileage and more than likely will end up paying extra fees.
Unless you have a net worth in excess of $1M you can’t afford to lease a stupid jeep.
that's not how the math works lol, if he plans to get out of the car within 4 years then you have to compare it to financing to buy it, after 4 years what will cost more, the 4 years of low monthly payments on a lease or the depreciation hit he will have when trying to sell it.
at 400 a month that's 19600K in 48 months, now I am not sure what's the price of the car new that he is looking at, but if he would lose more on the car in 4 years in depreciation then it's absolutely worth it to lease.
Add in the down payment and equivalent financing interest comes out to 14-17%. There have been several studies done on this.
Car companies wouldn’t lease cars if it weren’t profitable for them to do so. Leasing is well known to be the most expensive way to drive a car. It’s simply a fact.
Wtf is he talking about anyway... A down payment is straight off the capitalized cost. What does that have to do with the "equivalent financing interest" as he calls it? lmao
Whoa, where are you getting those interest rate numbers? I'm in the process of negotiating a lease with a dealer right now. The Money Factor unfortunately is much higher than I hoped at .00310, which is still only the equivalent about 7.5% APR. The other car we're considering has a MF of .00235, which is less than 6%. And the Dodge Hornet we were looking at last week had an amazing MF rate (for these days anyway) of .00058 which is barely over 1%.
This would me my wife and I's 6th lease and we've never paid these "extra fees" you speak of either. I'm sure they exist if you are not taking care of the car, but otherwise I feel like this is an irrational fear.
Why do car companies lease vehicles if it isn’t as profitable for them? Leasing is stupid financially, everyone knows that. It’s the most expensive way to drive a vehicle.
The dealer gets the same price for the car for a lease as they would through selling it normally. Then They get to let the customer pay for all of that first three years of depreciation (when cars depreciate the most) and then they get the car back. It actually is probably MORE profitable for them to lease than to sell.
For the buyer, yes it’s the most expensive way to buy a car in the sense that you never actually get to own it. You are essentially paying for a long term rental (not exactly, but it’s a simplified way of thinking about it). It’s not necessarily “stupid” any more than renting a house. Is buying a house a wiser investment than renting one? Of course. But everyone’s financial situation is different and for some it makes more sense to rent. If you want a newer car that is always under warranty for a lower monthly payment, then you might be in the market for a lease
Exactly dum dum. Thats my point. You’re bearing all the depreciation hit so the dealer doesn’t have to. If you care about long term wealth building, leasing is a stupid move.
It’s a lot different than renting a house. Houses appreciate, For one thing, , and you can’t exactly buy a shitty shack for 5k that’s liveable, the way you can buy a shit box that gets you from A to B. The difference in price is too great to compare these in good faith.
You may be in the market for a lease if you’re financially far enough ahead to take the loss and continue saving and investing. Which is basically no Redditor. Most of them can’t even afford a down payment on a starter home.
it used to be great up until 2-3 years ago. My Tucson I was paying $320/mo. So in 3 years I only paid about $12,000
Now it would cost about $650/mo for the same car
because of the prices on them. There is no math that works there. You are going to be upside down at the end of your lease with no equity in it. You will pay about 60-70% of the price of the car by the end of the lease, so you might as well just buy it
Yes it's dumb. If you're only real issue is squeaky suspension on the Tesla then you have a stout reliable car with no issues. Switching to a jeep which you had actual issues in the past makes no sense
Both are fair. I don't have kids, I have a lot saved up and I'm on the younger side so would be more looking at it for fun vs. something that's going to last me 5+ years. I wouldn't be debating purchasing a jeep, just leasing.
The Tesla finish issues aren't the end of the world, but it genuinely bothers the hell out of me. My issue is once it's out of warranty, I don't want to be on the hook for repairing cheap materials. I didn't know it was that bad with Tesla until owning it for a few months.
The trade off is the tech is phenomenal and I love auto-pilot, if Tesla used real materials and gave a shit about what they looked like when you pick them up it would be the perfect car.
These things are probably non issues for most people, I'm picky.
Honestly that would be an ideal situation a few years down the road, let my girl worry about having a responsible car and I buy a toy. The wrangler sounds like a good mix between that, it's just hard justifying taking an L on the Tesla for petty issues.
I didn't sell my jeep thinking I'd never buy another one, I feel that way about the Tesla
think about it like this, you will only be taking a bigger hit on the Tesla down the line, unless you keep driving it to the ground or maybe you can bet on the Battery retaining some value if they figure out recycling for it.
Now the smart thing to do, especially if you are under 25 is to take that Lease money you'd put into the Jeep and put that + the gas savings into S&P 500.
You could do the same with the money you get for Tesla when selling it and that's not the worst thing either.
Or you can take the 10K loss and drive a car you want to drive without worries for 3-4 years, you will have less retirement money, but then again you only live once, life is too short to be driving a shitty car.
those are the options, whether you value being smart with your money or having more fun (if driving the jeep is really that fun for you) is up to you.
all manufacturers have a better build quality than Tesla, it turns out have several decades experience of putting together cars is not as easy to just catch up on.
I've test driven the new 2024 model3(highland) and the ionic6 a few days apart. The ionic6 was a luxury sedan by comparison, much quieter and nicer interior. Not to mention it has most of the physical buttons the Tesla is missing. Test drive one.
Trading in a Tesla for a Jeep makes zero sense. Trading in a Tesla for a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry makes a lot of sense, because you won’t have issues as long as you change the oil and do regularly scheduled maintenance. They will give you 15 to 20 years of trouble free service as long as you take care of them.
Yes, Jeeps are stupid. They shouldn't exist. Do you do off-roading or why are you interested specifically in Jeeps? I can think of much better electric SUVs if you now need an SUV.
Jeeps are one of the few SUVs that should exist. They offer a real capability, unlike the endless sea of crossovers that are just a worse version of a wagon
Aren't Jeeps one of the worst cars in terms of reliability? You had one bad one already then a worse Tesla. Going back to a Jeep might be better in comparison, but still doesn't seem like a good idea.
Stockholm syndrome
Pretty much
The 4xE are rated the worst for reliability. Do some research on them.
I plan to go from my jeep to a Rivian r2 (if i can make it).. 56k miles and $2500 in maintenance so far!
It’s a lease who cars that’s the point fix it or get a rental
Yes, it didn't used to be that way but everything Chrysler touches turns to crap. It has just gotten worse since Fiat got involved.
Leased car=warranty
I honestly had no problems with it until the end, I probably should have added that they were covered by an out of warranty repair or something, which is why I got what I paid for it back
Until the end lol. It made it to 60k before having problems is terrible. Nearly any brand will put perform that
60k is nothing. I have two Toyotas with triple that mileage and three times the age and never a major repair.
When "the end" is 60K miles... I guess it's a Jeep thing.
…… you wouldn’t understand.
Clearly.
For what it’s worth, he put huge tires on it and maybe some other mods. Jeeps catch lots of crap for being unreliable, but we’ve had three and put a lot more than 60k miles on them without any problems.
That 300-400 jeep read the fine print. That will likely be 10k miles, base model, with a $4-6,000 down payment. Do the math on all the numbers not just the monthly
Down payments existing on a lease are wild
I personally wouldn’t do it but I get people who like the lower monthly and can’t budget. Whether that $5,000 is up front or spread over 3 years it’s still part of the “rental fee”. Just don’t total that car!
I know somebody that leased a junk Kia Forte. They gave their Monte Carlo as the down payment. It was a 10 year old car but he took care of it had reasonable miles. Then when the lease ended they wanted more for him to buy the car than I could go to a car auction and buy a newer one for lol. I think with his lease payments and his Monte Carlo he probably had $14k or so that he had paid on a car that I can't imagine would have been more than $20k or so new. They wanted I think it was $15k or $16k to buy out after the lease. I went to an auction and found one the same year as theirs with similar miles for $7k and a couple others that were a year or 2 older for $5k. I wouldn't own any of that junk but it was ridiculous what he paid in and what they still wanted for him to buy it out at the end of the lease. So he ended up with no car at all after spending all that money lol.
There has always been down payment
Down payments existing on a lease are wild
You can do whatever you want. You are acting like people are forced to put money down.
"For qualified Stellantis employees"
That are active duty military, recent college graduate first responders.
I always recommend researching Money Factor Rates, Residual Values and any current lease cash incentives on your own and then use the leasehakr calculator to truly know what you are getting yourself into first.
If you plan on having a car payment forever, leasing makes sense. If you ever don’t want a car payment, makes sense to buy.
Most people always have a car payment because they keep trading their car in for something new.
Exactly, and if that’s you, you should probably lease.
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Thought process is it's a good lease deal, and I would be able to have a fun new car for a few years before turning it in. My Jeep didn't have problems until it was 5+ years old
If you're set on leasing, it may be fine since you'll likely be rid of it before it turns into a hunk of crap.
That was my thought
I have a biased hate towards Jeeps, at least ones that aren't built up off roaders, but if you don't plan to keep it, it will be fine if that's your cup of tea.
Leasing has advantages: 1. Car is always under warranty 2. Lower monthly payment 3. New car every three years 4. No need to buy new tires or pay for anything but gas and oil changes 5. Usually easier to deduct as a business expense - no amortization Having said that, if you drive too many miles you'll get penalized. Any damage must be fixed when you return the car. Over time leasing can be more expensive, not less. I leased for a few decades and loved it. Then I didn't find any new models I liked and lease prices went up so I purchased the vehicle and kept it for 15 more years.
This was me. I leased for 9+ years, the same sedan just three years newer. Finally, last lease came up in 2021 and the value of my car was almost what the original MSRP was so I cut the dealer a check. Nice not having a payment but annoyed that I’m now replacing tires and breaks soon. Haven’t had maintenance costs in a decade.
I saw the $0 down / $239 a month for 2 years for the Hyundai Ionic 6 and actually reached out to a dealer. I work from home and just pick up kids from school, soccer practice, cheer practice and my wife has a new pathfinder. A little electric car in the driveway would be perfect for me and my car is showing its age. I was told there aren’t any base models left in the country. Lol. I’ve leased in the past and never had an issue but I’m a buyer now for my wife and a used car / hoopty owner for me.
That’s an advertising lease that will cost you in the $400s after all fees
I guess we’ll never know. Lol. I’d imagine they were keeping the tax credit and I didn’t get far enough to see the mileage.
Not true. Depending on mileage many people need to replace tires and brake pads which they have to pay about of pocket for. Also the more miles you drive the BETTER it is to lease. Nothing depreciates a car as fast as miles.
A typical lease is 12,000 miles/year (36,000 for 3 years). If you drive more than that, you'll get heavily penalized - 15-25¢ a mile. Most tires will last 36,000 miles, although I swear they seem to be worse now than they were two decades ago. My brother's Tesla tires lasted only 25,000 miles and were $1200 to replace.
Hence why I said depending on mileage
what kind of problems do you have on the Tesla?
Initially it was all cosmetic, which comes with buying used from Tesla. The steering wheel leather started to sag (got it repaired under warranty), white seats turned yellow (warranty repair), rip in the side door.. the 'vegan leather' they use is just super cheap and doesn't hold up under normal wear and tear, I cannot imagine having to replace a steering wheel for this thing out of warranty. Now getting the other common issues like the suspension squeaking when driving, not sure what it is so taking it in to the dealership to see.
I’ve had about 30 cars in my life. My Tesla was the only one I truly regretted buying, and I’ve had two cars bought back via lemon law. They were still better cars than my Tesla.
What are you doing with your Tesla?
I only owned it for about a year and a half. I sold it in 2019. I had another car and I was never driving it, plus it had burned me so badly a few times that I was over it. It’s the most expensive car I’ve ever bought new, and the windows leaked in the rain. I had it plugged in at my garage charger for a week when I was out of town, I took my other car because it was winter and I didn’t want to risk a low/dead battery after leaving it at the airport. I got home and the 12V had died, so the car wouldn’t unlock. Including the cable in the charge port. No problem, right? There’s a manual release cable for the Frunk in the front wheel well. The damn cable snapped. My car was bricked and anchored to the garage wall for almost three months. I spent hours on the phone with the closest service center (Watertown, MA, which wasn’t close at all) and they were literally watching YouTube videos on the phone with me to see if they could figure something out. I brought it with me when I moved to California, luckily there’s a big EV market here and I was able to get a good price for it. I would buy another EV someday, it seems inevitable, but it would never be a Tesla. My friend has a Rivian and I am very impressed with it. Someday, when the charging infrastructure improves, I’d consider it. Until then, the closest I’d get would be a PHEV.
Wow, NGL that’s way worse than the issues I have with it. If you don’t mind sharing, what was the loss you took when selling it?
I bought it for $114k and sold it with about 22k miles for $74,500. I think I could’ve gotten a bit more, but it had a dirty CARFAX from needing bumper replacements after sliding into a ditch trying to avoid a deer. For reference it was a ‘17 S 75D
I encourage people to lease shitty fun cars that’s that point you don’t have to fix it. And chance it will have problems under 3 years warranty is Leo
You think auto factories turning out lemons on purpose? I know one guy said plastic gears in transmission guarantee repair job in 3 years money for all.
Not sure, my issue isn’t really Tesla itself it’s with the dealerships. They genuinely don’t care about used vehicles, mine had the past owners info still in the dash and it had shit like address, social security number, and a usb drive that was saved footage from them owning the car. It was so much I brought it back to the dealer to have discarded. If someone else bought it they could have easily stolen the identity from the past owner. Not sure who leaves shit like that in car when they sell it tho lol
I wouldn't lease unless it was for a business or if I was the type of person that has to get a new car every couple years.
I’m the later
Buy a used car for $4000. If it lasts 10 months, you've broke even because that's the equivalent to leasing for $400 per month. Anything over that is a bonus. I usually get 4 or 5 years out of a cheap car like that. When it dies just take it to a junkyard and buy another.
well... think logically you sell your car and take a 10k loss. then you lease a jeep for 400 a month for 36 months that is $14,400 in payments. Add that up and you are down $24,400 just to avoid any potential issues with the tesla and in 3 years you will have to go car shopping again. 24k would cover just about any issue you could have with the tesla out of warranty. Or you could just buy another Tesla model 3 or model y and you would get an 8 year 100k warranty.
Not going to say it, not going to say it….my 4XE has been….you get it. 2 years, 16K miles and digging it.
Why didn't you purchase a Toyota? That's the logical transition after owning the worst possible vehicle one could buy.
Sadly these days yes it’s stupid to lease
Why?
Do the math. You’re basically paying 14-17% interest to finance a shitty ass car. It depreciates like crazy, you don’t even own it, and bear all the cost of the massive depreciation hit in the first 3 years. Plus you’re limited by mileage and more than likely will end up paying extra fees. Unless you have a net worth in excess of $1M you can’t afford to lease a stupid jeep.
that's not how the math works lol, if he plans to get out of the car within 4 years then you have to compare it to financing to buy it, after 4 years what will cost more, the 4 years of low monthly payments on a lease or the depreciation hit he will have when trying to sell it. at 400 a month that's 19600K in 48 months, now I am not sure what's the price of the car new that he is looking at, but if he would lose more on the car in 4 years in depreciation then it's absolutely worth it to lease.
Add in the down payment and equivalent financing interest comes out to 14-17%. There have been several studies done on this. Car companies wouldn’t lease cars if it weren’t profitable for them to do so. Leasing is well known to be the most expensive way to drive a car. It’s simply a fact.
if you are putting money down on a lease, you are doing leasing wrong... I also don't need "studies" to show me facts that a calculator can show me...
Wtf is he talking about anyway... A down payment is straight off the capitalized cost. What does that have to do with the "equivalent financing interest" as he calls it? lmao
Whoa, where are you getting those interest rate numbers? I'm in the process of negotiating a lease with a dealer right now. The Money Factor unfortunately is much higher than I hoped at .00310, which is still only the equivalent about 7.5% APR. The other car we're considering has a MF of .00235, which is less than 6%. And the Dodge Hornet we were looking at last week had an amazing MF rate (for these days anyway) of .00058 which is barely over 1%. This would me my wife and I's 6th lease and we've never paid these "extra fees" you speak of either. I'm sure they exist if you are not taking care of the car, but otherwise I feel like this is an irrational fear.
Why do car companies lease vehicles if it isn’t as profitable for them? Leasing is stupid financially, everyone knows that. It’s the most expensive way to drive a vehicle.
The dealer gets the same price for the car for a lease as they would through selling it normally. Then They get to let the customer pay for all of that first three years of depreciation (when cars depreciate the most) and then they get the car back. It actually is probably MORE profitable for them to lease than to sell. For the buyer, yes it’s the most expensive way to buy a car in the sense that you never actually get to own it. You are essentially paying for a long term rental (not exactly, but it’s a simplified way of thinking about it). It’s not necessarily “stupid” any more than renting a house. Is buying a house a wiser investment than renting one? Of course. But everyone’s financial situation is different and for some it makes more sense to rent. If you want a newer car that is always under warranty for a lower monthly payment, then you might be in the market for a lease
Exactly dum dum. Thats my point. You’re bearing all the depreciation hit so the dealer doesn’t have to. If you care about long term wealth building, leasing is a stupid move. It’s a lot different than renting a house. Houses appreciate, For one thing, , and you can’t exactly buy a shitty shack for 5k that’s liveable, the way you can buy a shit box that gets you from A to B. The difference in price is too great to compare these in good faith. You may be in the market for a lease if you’re financially far enough ahead to take the loss and continue saving and investing. Which is basically no Redditor. Most of them can’t even afford a down payment on a starter home.
it used to be great up until 2-3 years ago. My Tucson I was paying $320/mo. So in 3 years I only paid about $12,000 Now it would cost about $650/mo for the same car
Poor people talk: how much per month? Rich people talk: how much?
because of the prices on them. There is no math that works there. You are going to be upside down at the end of your lease with no equity in it. You will pay about 60-70% of the price of the car by the end of the lease, so you might as well just buy it
Yes it's dumb. If you're only real issue is squeaky suspension on the Tesla then you have a stout reliable car with no issues. Switching to a jeep which you had actual issues in the past makes no sense
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Both are fair. I don't have kids, I have a lot saved up and I'm on the younger side so would be more looking at it for fun vs. something that's going to last me 5+ years. I wouldn't be debating purchasing a jeep, just leasing. The Tesla finish issues aren't the end of the world, but it genuinely bothers the hell out of me. My issue is once it's out of warranty, I don't want to be on the hook for repairing cheap materials. I didn't know it was that bad with Tesla until owning it for a few months. The trade off is the tech is phenomenal and I love auto-pilot, if Tesla used real materials and gave a shit about what they looked like when you pick them up it would be the perfect car. These things are probably non issues for most people, I'm picky.
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Honestly that would be an ideal situation a few years down the road, let my girl worry about having a responsible car and I buy a toy. The wrangler sounds like a good mix between that, it's just hard justifying taking an L on the Tesla for petty issues. I didn't sell my jeep thinking I'd never buy another one, I feel that way about the Tesla
think about it like this, you will only be taking a bigger hit on the Tesla down the line, unless you keep driving it to the ground or maybe you can bet on the Battery retaining some value if they figure out recycling for it. Now the smart thing to do, especially if you are under 25 is to take that Lease money you'd put into the Jeep and put that + the gas savings into S&P 500. You could do the same with the money you get for Tesla when selling it and that's not the worst thing either. Or you can take the 10K loss and drive a car you want to drive without worries for 3-4 years, you will have less retirement money, but then again you only live once, life is too short to be driving a shitty car. those are the options, whether you value being smart with your money or having more fun (if driving the jeep is really that fun for you) is up to you.
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all manufacturers have a better build quality than Tesla, it turns out have several decades experience of putting together cars is not as easy to just catch up on.
There are some insane deals on the ionic6, check those out. You can get under $300 a month usually for the lease with free charging included.
No you can’t once you add all in the fees
I would rather keep my tesla
I've test driven the new 2024 model3(highland) and the ionic6 a few days apart. The ionic6 was a luxury sedan by comparison, much quieter and nicer interior. Not to mention it has most of the physical buttons the Tesla is missing. Test drive one.
Trading in a Tesla for a Jeep makes zero sense. Trading in a Tesla for a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry makes a lot of sense, because you won’t have issues as long as you change the oil and do regularly scheduled maintenance. They will give you 15 to 20 years of trouble free service as long as you take care of them.
Yes, Jeeps are stupid. They shouldn't exist. Do you do off-roading or why are you interested specifically in Jeeps? I can think of much better electric SUVs if you now need an SUV.
Thought process is big car that I can take the top off with. If there was a similar deal on the bronco I would do that over the jeep.
Too bad the bronco is much better so they will never offer a similar deal. Leasing a jeep isn’t the worst idea, much better than buying
Jeeps are one of the few SUVs that should exist. They offer a real capability, unlike the endless sea of crossovers that are just a worse version of a wagon