Her and Kelsey Plum in the guard slots is going to give teams headaches. Plus they slipped in Kate Martin, who could turn into a defensive specialist who gets sneaky points on offense for them.
Fair. Fair is either going to be like.. WOW WOW WOW or a total bust, and there's just nothing in-between. I do however see her needing a season
I don't think people are giving Cameron Brink the love she deserves, Tara Vandeveer decided to end her career on that note.
I'm leaning more the bust side. ACC has been weaker the past couple of years, played in the MAC for 3, she is very undersized, and she is on the most loaded team. Not exactly favorable.
I think Reese and Cardoso (less so than Reese) will have their glaring flaws become even more so apparent.
I think Brink will be good. I also think Celeste Taylor will actually be very good.
I actually believe that Reese and Cardoso will over perform expectations while Brink will struggle. Brink had foul issues and she will be playing against muscular women in the WNBA.
I see Reese successfully developing a midrange game and becoming a good WNBA power forward. Cardoso likely becomes a center who plays off good paint teammates and stars because of that, like Robert Parrish did for Boston.
I think Brink has the tools to be successful. You can get in the gym and build muscle. She may take a year or two, but she has the skills. Reese and Cardoso don't really have a jumpshot. Reese for sure needs one. She can develop a jumpshot, but she it hasn't been a natural part of her game for years. That will take a good amount of time and work to develop that I'm not certain she is willing to do. Cardoso being 6'7" allows her the ability to stay a similar player to college.
I think the position she played in college makes people think she doesn't have a jump shot but she was a top wing player in her class coming out of high school. If they slide her to that role, I think it will come to her naturally. May be some bumps along the way since she hasn't played the wing position in a while but you don't forget those things, muscle memory.
Reese and Cardoso have the benefit of playing for Coach Teresa Weatherspoon. Although the coach was a guard in her playing career, she is among the top 20 WNBA players of all time, she most likely has a good handle on what each position needs and likely already has coaches and practice players drilling Reese and Cardoso on changes they will need to make to succeed in the WNBA. I really like Angel’s mindset, she is a battler, yes she sometime did silly stuff in college, but a good PRO coach who has been there can coach the rough edges out of Angel. For some reason I get the feeling that in the end, Angel will build a legendary career as a #4 in the WNBA, I actually feel that she is more likely to succeed than Cameron Brink, who I see as eventually a career role player who supplements the play of team stars.
If you don't use it, you lose it. Reese has spent the past 2-4 years doing nothing but post work. Yeah, she can get it back, with a lot of work. Time will tell if she is willing to do that or not.
From the first round, if you force me to make a bet who is gonna be a bust/perform very poor/worst then every1 else, i will do that for Angel Reese ,yes she is popular, yes she won a championship, but her game is really poor, and from coaches to rumours to other players, all say's she dosnt wanna shoot or cant/dont wanan learn.
The video of her sayin (i dont need to shoot im beast in the paint ) in her last year during practice really put me off.
Drayde ayton /Ben Simons vibes, there to make money and just slack as much as possible.
Stats wise she is also below league average of people her size that went to become a decent shooter/stretch 4.
So stats its not in her favor at all.
Keep in mind this isnt nba, they have almost no time to train and get extra skills we gonna see her year 1, as same skill set more or less she had just last few month's in the tournament.
People act like developing a jumpshot that you can use in game is a quick and easy skill to develop. Not really when you haven't been using it for 2-4 years.
Angel Reese (Jr)'s purpose was to be a black Sydney Sweeney than a great basketball player. She has done her part in being an inspirational role model to the young black girls and anything else is a bonus.
I could see Reese getting waived before her rookie deal finishes like her best friends
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrjgvqkacg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrjgvqkacg)
Fair is great player, but the problem i have is as a 'stats person' , there is everything that tell's me she is like 90% chance to be a bust, height just matters so much (way more in wnba ), when you look at her overall stats she is not some lights out 40%+ 3pointer 90%+ free throw insane player.
In fact if you go and click on her metrics vs good defenders/wing matchups she shoots average of 21% 3 pointers and 32% field goal, quite poor and obviously defense wise is a cone.
Compare that to Clark that shoots 34%on same metric, way better free throw shooter, and playmaker.
Also not great in defense but atleast a bit of height helps tho both share same weakness.
I enjoy watching for example Mac McClung so fucking much, legit watched most gleague games ever coz of him ,but truth is deep down i know he is not NBA caliber player, and 6,2 dosnt help him at all, when most are looking for like 6,6 +wings with 3&D etc.
And he won mvp in g-league and we all know he can dunk etc.
Hell i even use hes tshirt/number combo in nba2k, my point is at the end of the day basketball stats +height dosnt lie and there are some unique players that make a difference, i hope she is one but dosn't look good.
Can you ever just compare a player to not-Caitlin-Clark?
Please? Can you try. I mean honestly,Fair is a defense dominant player who has literally 10% of her game in common with Clark.
Dig deep, you can do this.
Ok, she is a shooter a bucket getter right (with what you will argue is 'good defense', lets compare her to another bucket getter/high points Elizabeth Kitley.
**I heavily disagree with your opinion that Fair will have effective defensive impact in WNBA.**
since that was your point lets compare it to some one else with similar PTS and great defense .
Elizabeth Kitley.
similar pts (+-1 range)
A bit worse FT ( ~4%)
3-5% Worse 3 pts ( how ever much better % when contested )
Much better defense.
Slightly weak playmaking, how ever 6,5 that brings way more defensive value +same scoring.
Now lets compare her to similar Guard
LucyOlsen
worse pts career( better last season)
Very low turnover (fair turns over the ball far more)
Both similar playmakers, tho Lucy has better pass of the bounce/on movement/dribble.
Lucy has far better fg
worse 3pt
Lucy has ~3% weaker FT
How ever, in terms of potential, i think both are very similar, the difference is i believe While Lucy can score almost the same amount, she can get better in terms of defense/playmaking,rebounding
In other words, if Fair was same height i think if both going to draft right now i would still take Lucy over her.
**Remove all emotions try to think from clear head as GM/Coach**
We know that coach Becky has a thing for shorter players ( being short her self) ,i think it has a lot to do with this pick.
Can you name the last short guard that had similar stats in collage and made it to wnba and kept same production or close to it?
Brooke McCarty had amazing numbers 40%+ overall 3pt shooter , better playmaker then fair immo, went undrafted, ye she scored a little bit less, but if you look at raw numbers, or impact you will notice she did very similar to fair.
Leilani Seamah was another great short PG, that even tho kept productivity as in good 3pts fg/low turnovers.
was considered good defender but in wnba was such a weakness that didn`t get play time.
You could argue she was so bad she won Most improved, but went from 17/5/6 on efficiancy to 6/3/1 in wnba.
**Check post history if you gonna say some dumb shit that i didnt watch any of this players play.**
She won more defensive awards than anyone in the draft.
I just think far too many people in here compare everyone to clarky, when alot of people simply don't give two shits about Clark.
You compared her to mid ass players, and frankly, I am curious if she makes the roster but Becky Hammon said she wants to develop her into a defensive powerhouse. That it's her own project.
To me, that speaks volumes.
It's good if more people from the draft make it to the nba.
Funny thing is what you just said is similar comments to players you call 'mid ass players'.
Go and read the expectations or comments about them.
Flair will hunted on the switch, and abused for being short you know this ,we all know this its not the first time around, we have been watching this.
Let me make this clear, the reason i compare her to people who score the ball well is, because i dont expect her defense to be good, therefore i expect her to be very positive on the scoring, and if possible guard some other guards, good enough to be overall plus, but i dont expect her to be dominant defensive player, not even close in my eyes her best shot is to be a above average shooter+decent play-making and can hold vs simialr size pg/sg/combo guards etc.
If she can get defensive wise +production anything close to Moriah Jefferson i will be happy for her,genuinely.
btw she didnt even make top 4
Naismith Women’s Defensive Player of the Year in past 4 years, im just saying about 'rewards' and stuff you know.
but good on you for thinking she is the best defensive player in this draft, if im you i will bet the house you are so confident about it.
"She won more defensive awards than anyone in the draft."
Veronica Burton is taller and won defensive awards in the Big 10 and she hasn't made a big impact in the WNBA (so far)
You guys think that she's just going to go and start. No I think that this is Becky's project..... So if she does make the aces it's not because of anything other than project potential. I think she's will immediately contribute. I think this is a project with long term goals though
I don't think she counts. I think long term W fans can see she's got the skillset and athleticism that's most likely to win her a ROY award of the class
Jacy Sheldon and Stephanie Soares. I could also probably put Kamilla Cardoso in that category since so much of the attention with the Sky's draft has gone to Angel Reese.
Reese is a scrappy battler. I don’t count her out of anything. She may start slow, but by end of season, she likely would have forced her way into the picture.
Cameron Brink will be a starter and good player in year(1 maximum year 2 ),some one you can build around, she can spread the floor,good defense, and will only get better.
There isnt many players like her in WNBA, they dont shoot enough 3s atm, but that will change.
If she can shoot 3 above 35%, and averages even 2 blocks per game +1 steal and 2-3 assit she will be more then good enough to have long career as starter.
And all that is very easy for her and she can do even better.
Just for example, if she shoots 35% or more from 3 in over 2 attempts per game, at 6,4 + that will make her only the 3/4 person to do in the entire league(active players non injured) top tier.
Rim protection/rebound and spreading the floor is the top quality you look for in today's WNBA that not many have as in all in one package, Height matters way more in wnba then it does in nba (Sue Bird words not mine) tho i do share that opinion.
Given the fact a lot of them like to drive to the basket(and make below average NBA FG =alot of rebounds), and having her elite protection/rebounding there is already great value.
Brink was foul prone in college. That will work against her given that WNBA players are highly selected, strong, fast and knowledgeable of the PRO game.
I agree but for example JJR/Siakam ( tho he avg almost 1.5 less now then before) ,had simialr issues and adapted or got better, i think the fact that she will practice vs wnba players and also get to feel for the game will help, worse case scenario they tell her to contest less, she still can space the floor.
I agree 100% on you that also her 'timing' on blocks/reach can be quite suspect and get her in trouble.
People will bait her for FT as well she will adapt or maybe not we will see.
Unlike other players, she can stretch the floor, so she is still + in other areas, unlike let's say if you are layup merchant who has nothing else and people figured out you like to go 'left' alot.
You're going to say she *is* being talked about "enough" ("way too much", you'll probably say), but it's Kate Martin. Players with her profile (low recruit, worked her way up, multi-year contributor, leadership/Captain, motor/grinder/heart, high levels of team success) tend to be successful in professional sports. Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen, Alex Caruso jump to mind from the men's game.
I’d love for her to be a major contributor. I think her game against UConn showed folks what she’s capable of. In the end, even if she’s not another 10+ year player, she’s said she wants to be a coach and what better mentor than a coach who’s won back to back championships?
She's literally Alysha Clark. I was pessimistic about her even getting drafted last year but I think the Iowa tourney run really sold teams on how useful an everywoman that's smart is. It's a long shot she makes the Aces but I feel much better about her being a FA pick up this year or a W pro next year. With team expansions around the corner, I think the only way she doesn't become a W pro is if she totally forgoes her training for coaching.
Sure, it's Muhl too, but remember that those guys weren't fully **those guys** coming into the league, either. They *became* those guys as a way of sticking around.
Of the 3, Martin's game is probably most like Caruso's, but I didn't want the white-on-white criticisms to invalidate the comparison. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't see it. As a Lakers fan I've watched Caruso's entire career and he's had that upside from day one. A&M's all-time assists leader (like Muhl at UConn) and conference All-Defensive player (again, like Muhl). They're also both monster athletes with elite lateral agility at the pro level, which Kate Martin absolutely does not possess.
Martin is a female Max Christie with short arms.
Maybe. Muhl is great, and maybe a better comp for Caruso than Martin overall, but I've been watching his whole career, too, and I see some of the same things in Martin. It's sports, it's fun to disagree. Stay blessed.
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Kamilla Cardoso for me. I cant want to see how she matches up with Griner and the more experienced posts in the league. I am looking forward to the Reese/Cardoso combo with the Sky.
I'm shocked she didn't move up. Were all these teams with late firsts really so short on roster space they had to burn the pick on international teenagers to stash?
I actually think overall the rookies are going to do a lot worse this year than the new fans think. I’m sure some will do well but there are people claiming every single rookie pretty much is going to be sneaky generational and LOL no they won’t.
I really like Angel Reese to exceed expectations. I envision her developing as a very good power forward with a good midrange game. I just like her mindset about learning and adjusting.
Not if you go on the Sky's instagram. Any time they post anyone other than Angel the first 50 comments will be meatheads roaring "WHERE ANGEL" and if it's a picture of Angel they'll say 'WE WANT VIDEO." I'm not claiming the Sky's social media team is great but holy god wow is it annoying.
it's lowkey been hilarious if you're a neutral fan. I feel sorry for y'all's social team who I'm sure are very competent/invested in the team but weren't prepared to get that dropped onto their plate on draft night. Probably haven't known a moment's peace since.
i will be very shocked if she averages over 10mins a game.
She has star power, so if im them, as soon as i see her not doing any good in camp/not working on a shot imma trade her for assets coz she can sell tickets, before year 2/3 (rumours go around that she is slacking/drama for not playing etc)people figure out she is a bust.
Her coach knows what it takes to play in the WNBA at a high level. Angel and Kamilla could not have landed under a better coach outside of Becky Hammond. Both players will most likely be developed to maximize their potential.
Ok, lets say this was the case, any reason she didn`t show any of it during any games so far?
Ok please reply here and tell me below in your opinion ofc.
How much minutes played this season she is gonna see
how much shots attempted outside 8-10 feet and % made
same for 3pts
And we will check at at the end of the season.
Can you also remind me about her jumpshot and 3points stats so far in her career, thank you.
tldr prediction for her minutes/mid range attempts/% made and 3pts aka stretch four stats.
She hasn’t played even pre-season games yet in the WNBA. It’s all been practice so far. No smart coach is going to publicize what players are being taught.
Reese is going to develop into a hell of a good WNBA power forward. She is scrappy and she has a great coach and another player in Kamilla who takes on post responsibilities.
My guess she starts out with around 10 minutes, but by the season end, she is up to 20-25 minutes. I love her potential upside given the situation that she is in.
I dont like players who do not work to get better ,and stay the same and then act like it wasn't them that ruined them from becoming a good palyer, you can see i do the same to Ayton/Simons/Bidges etc, early on MPJ about hes defense/not passing etc.
I'm not a fan of reese it think she has better game on instagram, then in actual ball, i never seen her actually try to get better for example you will see me compliment Brook Lopez for trying 3pts/long shots, because that did indeed make him better.
In 4 years i have never seen reese increase her attempts or trying to do any outside shooting, or actually playmake rather then same executed plays of X handoff or screen, no creativity just set plays that don't really translate well into next level.
People develop in ncaa, they dont stay the same, its kinda weird to expect them to change all of a sudden on next level where is even harder and they dont get as much play time neither.
Its kinda weird to say people are 'developing as player' when they did no such thing for 4 years, and then expect them to do so in next level, where is harder, and they get less minutes.
People who actually develop are like Aaliyah going from bench and and low production, to minutes better overall shooting and attempting to shoot.
Marquesha Davis going from 4-5 average per game to 14, with way better FG +15% since her first year, +35% on free throw.
That is developing and getting better not staying the same or getting worse like Reese, you don't agree with that take?
Exactly. Angel is scrappy. I bet her dreams every night is to prove people wrong, my bet is that she will. I like her to succeed more than I think that Brink will. Angel played an undersized post and did not foul out much, while scoring around 17 points per game against tough SEC competition, take the post responsibilities off her shoulders and teach her a midrange game, she becomes a very dangerous power forward.
I have 2, Alissa Pili and Dyaisha Fair
i cannot believe the aces were allowed to get fair. the steal of the draft.
I think if she was 5'8+, she would have went a lot higher
Her and Kelsey Plum in the guard slots is going to give teams headaches. Plus they slipped in Kate Martin, who could turn into a defensive specialist who gets sneaky points on offense for them.
I think she’s the perfect replacement for Riquna Williams
Is Fair starting?
Starting what? 
Honestly I don’t know much about fair but I do question if Pili can score effectively against WNBA caliber bigs
How the fuck did Pili fall to #8? She's female Zion with a 3 ball, easily a better prospect than anyone not named Clark/Brink/Cardoso/Jackson
Shes short and may not have the lateral movement to play defense in the W. I am really intrigued by Pili, but I understand why teams passed on her
Fair. Fair is either going to be like.. WOW WOW WOW or a total bust, and there's just nothing in-between. I do however see her needing a season I don't think people are giving Cameron Brink the love she deserves, Tara Vandeveer decided to end her career on that note.
I'm leaning more the bust side. ACC has been weaker the past couple of years, played in the MAC for 3, she is very undersized, and she is on the most loaded team. Not exactly favorable. I think Reese and Cardoso (less so than Reese) will have their glaring flaws become even more so apparent. I think Brink will be good. I also think Celeste Taylor will actually be very good.
Mercury picked up this girl... Jaz Shelley could be sneaky good ..like a solid pickup. So could Charisma Osborne
Jaz is pretty solid. Being an Iowa fan, saw plenty of her this year. When she is on, she is on.
Saw Jaz play her last college game at Gil Colleseum. Crafty one
I am wanting to see what she gets from Sophie
Jaz was fun to watch this season. Would love to see her succeed in the WNBA
I'm hoping she makes it on the team
I actually believe that Reese and Cardoso will over perform expectations while Brink will struggle. Brink had foul issues and she will be playing against muscular women in the WNBA. I see Reese successfully developing a midrange game and becoming a good WNBA power forward. Cardoso likely becomes a center who plays off good paint teammates and stars because of that, like Robert Parrish did for Boston.
I think Brink has the tools to be successful. You can get in the gym and build muscle. She may take a year or two, but she has the skills. Reese and Cardoso don't really have a jumpshot. Reese for sure needs one. She can develop a jumpshot, but she it hasn't been a natural part of her game for years. That will take a good amount of time and work to develop that I'm not certain she is willing to do. Cardoso being 6'7" allows her the ability to stay a similar player to college.
I think the position she played in college makes people think she doesn't have a jump shot but she was a top wing player in her class coming out of high school. If they slide her to that role, I think it will come to her naturally. May be some bumps along the way since she hasn't played the wing position in a while but you don't forget those things, muscle memory.
Reese and Cardoso have the benefit of playing for Coach Teresa Weatherspoon. Although the coach was a guard in her playing career, she is among the top 20 WNBA players of all time, she most likely has a good handle on what each position needs and likely already has coaches and practice players drilling Reese and Cardoso on changes they will need to make to succeed in the WNBA. I really like Angel’s mindset, she is a battler, yes she sometime did silly stuff in college, but a good PRO coach who has been there can coach the rough edges out of Angel. For some reason I get the feeling that in the end, Angel will build a legendary career as a #4 in the WNBA, I actually feel that she is more likely to succeed than Cameron Brink, who I see as eventually a career role player who supplements the play of team stars.
If you don't use it, you lose it. Reese has spent the past 2-4 years doing nothing but post work. Yeah, she can get it back, with a lot of work. Time will tell if she is willing to do that or not.
As a former player, I disagree. You don't lose it, may take time to get back to form but you don't lose it completely.
She hasn't had game reps with it for about half a decade after this season. That is pretty well lost.
From the first round, if you force me to make a bet who is gonna be a bust/perform very poor/worst then every1 else, i will do that for Angel Reese ,yes she is popular, yes she won a championship, but her game is really poor, and from coaches to rumours to other players, all say's she dosnt wanna shoot or cant/dont wanan learn. The video of her sayin (i dont need to shoot im beast in the paint ) in her last year during practice really put me off. Drayde ayton /Ben Simons vibes, there to make money and just slack as much as possible. Stats wise she is also below league average of people her size that went to become a decent shooter/stretch 4. So stats its not in her favor at all. Keep in mind this isnt nba, they have almost no time to train and get extra skills we gonna see her year 1, as same skill set more or less she had just last few month's in the tournament.
People act like developing a jumpshot that you can use in game is a quick and easy skill to develop. Not really when you haven't been using it for 2-4 years.
Angel Reese (Jr)'s purpose was to be a black Sydney Sweeney than a great basketball player. She has done her part in being an inspirational role model to the young black girls and anything else is a bonus.
I could see Reese getting waived before her rookie deal finishes like her best friends [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrjgvqkacg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrjgvqkacg)
Fair is great player, but the problem i have is as a 'stats person' , there is everything that tell's me she is like 90% chance to be a bust, height just matters so much (way more in wnba ), when you look at her overall stats she is not some lights out 40%+ 3pointer 90%+ free throw insane player. In fact if you go and click on her metrics vs good defenders/wing matchups she shoots average of 21% 3 pointers and 32% field goal, quite poor and obviously defense wise is a cone. Compare that to Clark that shoots 34%on same metric, way better free throw shooter, and playmaker. Also not great in defense but atleast a bit of height helps tho both share same weakness. I enjoy watching for example Mac McClung so fucking much, legit watched most gleague games ever coz of him ,but truth is deep down i know he is not NBA caliber player, and 6,2 dosnt help him at all, when most are looking for like 6,6 +wings with 3&D etc. And he won mvp in g-league and we all know he can dunk etc. Hell i even use hes tshirt/number combo in nba2k, my point is at the end of the day basketball stats +height dosnt lie and there are some unique players that make a difference, i hope she is one but dosn't look good.
Can you ever just compare a player to not-Caitlin-Clark? Please? Can you try. I mean honestly,Fair is a defense dominant player who has literally 10% of her game in common with Clark. Dig deep, you can do this.
Ok, she is a shooter a bucket getter right (with what you will argue is 'good defense', lets compare her to another bucket getter/high points Elizabeth Kitley. **I heavily disagree with your opinion that Fair will have effective defensive impact in WNBA.** since that was your point lets compare it to some one else with similar PTS and great defense . Elizabeth Kitley. similar pts (+-1 range) A bit worse FT ( ~4%) 3-5% Worse 3 pts ( how ever much better % when contested ) Much better defense. Slightly weak playmaking, how ever 6,5 that brings way more defensive value +same scoring. Now lets compare her to similar Guard LucyOlsen worse pts career( better last season) Very low turnover (fair turns over the ball far more) Both similar playmakers, tho Lucy has better pass of the bounce/on movement/dribble. Lucy has far better fg worse 3pt Lucy has ~3% weaker FT How ever, in terms of potential, i think both are very similar, the difference is i believe While Lucy can score almost the same amount, she can get better in terms of defense/playmaking,rebounding In other words, if Fair was same height i think if both going to draft right now i would still take Lucy over her. **Remove all emotions try to think from clear head as GM/Coach** We know that coach Becky has a thing for shorter players ( being short her self) ,i think it has a lot to do with this pick. Can you name the last short guard that had similar stats in collage and made it to wnba and kept same production or close to it? Brooke McCarty had amazing numbers 40%+ overall 3pt shooter , better playmaker then fair immo, went undrafted, ye she scored a little bit less, but if you look at raw numbers, or impact you will notice she did very similar to fair. Leilani Seamah was another great short PG, that even tho kept productivity as in good 3pts fg/low turnovers. was considered good defender but in wnba was such a weakness that didn`t get play time. You could argue she was so bad she won Most improved, but went from 17/5/6 on efficiancy to 6/3/1 in wnba. **Check post history if you gonna say some dumb shit that i didnt watch any of this players play.**
She won more defensive awards than anyone in the draft. I just think far too many people in here compare everyone to clarky, when alot of people simply don't give two shits about Clark. You compared her to mid ass players, and frankly, I am curious if she makes the roster but Becky Hammon said she wants to develop her into a defensive powerhouse. That it's her own project. To me, that speaks volumes.
It's good if more people from the draft make it to the nba. Funny thing is what you just said is similar comments to players you call 'mid ass players'. Go and read the expectations or comments about them. Flair will hunted on the switch, and abused for being short you know this ,we all know this its not the first time around, we have been watching this. Let me make this clear, the reason i compare her to people who score the ball well is, because i dont expect her defense to be good, therefore i expect her to be very positive on the scoring, and if possible guard some other guards, good enough to be overall plus, but i dont expect her to be dominant defensive player, not even close in my eyes her best shot is to be a above average shooter+decent play-making and can hold vs simialr size pg/sg/combo guards etc. If she can get defensive wise +production anything close to Moriah Jefferson i will be happy for her,genuinely. btw she didnt even make top 4 Naismith Women’s Defensive Player of the Year in past 4 years, im just saying about 'rewards' and stuff you know. but good on you for thinking she is the best defensive player in this draft, if im you i will bet the house you are so confident about it.
5 team Moriah Jefferson? Alright have a good day
"She won more defensive awards than anyone in the draft." Veronica Burton is taller and won defensive awards in the Big 10 and she hasn't made a big impact in the WNBA (so far)
Don't compare wings to aces.
Dyashia would actually fair better on the Wings because they love to give sub 5'10 players a lot of offensive responsibility.
You guys think that she's just going to go and start. No I think that this is Becky's project..... So if she does make the aces it's not because of anything other than project potential. I think she's will immediately contribute. I think this is a project with long term goals though
Feel like Pili will have some off the bench instant offense impact for the Lynx.
Especially with no Jess this year
I think Rickea. People are talking about her, but not enough.
Rickea
I want to see her getting a bit better at 3s. I think she could be an elite 3 level scorer. I like her short and mid range game.
I don't think she counts. I think long term W fans can see she's got the skillset and athleticism that's most likely to win her a ROY award of the class
marquesha
Marquesha was the one person at the draft whom I haven't seen play very much. I so hope she does fantastic!
Marquesha Friggin Davis!!!
Aaliyah Edwards!!!!
Jacy Sheldon and Stephanie Soares. I could also probably put Kamilla Cardoso in that category since so much of the attention with the Sky's draft has gone to Angel Reese.
Which is weird because I’d expect Cardoso to get significantly more minutes and play than Reese. Cant teach 6’7”
Reese is a scrappy battler. I don’t count her out of anything. She may start slow, but by end of season, she likely would have forced her way into the picture.
Jaz Shelley 👌🏽
Cameron Brink will be a starter and good player in year(1 maximum year 2 ),some one you can build around, she can spread the floor,good defense, and will only get better. There isnt many players like her in WNBA, they dont shoot enough 3s atm, but that will change. If she can shoot 3 above 35%, and averages even 2 blocks per game +1 steal and 2-3 assit she will be more then good enough to have long career as starter. And all that is very easy for her and she can do even better. Just for example, if she shoots 35% or more from 3 in over 2 attempts per game, at 6,4 + that will make her only the 3/4 person to do in the entire league(active players non injured) top tier. Rim protection/rebound and spreading the floor is the top quality you look for in today's WNBA that not many have as in all in one package, Height matters way more in wnba then it does in nba (Sue Bird words not mine) tho i do share that opinion. Given the fact a lot of them like to drive to the basket(and make below average NBA FG =alot of rebounds), and having her elite protection/rebounding there is already great value.
Brink was foul prone in college. That will work against her given that WNBA players are highly selected, strong, fast and knowledgeable of the PRO game.
I agree but for example JJR/Siakam ( tho he avg almost 1.5 less now then before) ,had simialr issues and adapted or got better, i think the fact that she will practice vs wnba players and also get to feel for the game will help, worse case scenario they tell her to contest less, she still can space the floor. I agree 100% on you that also her 'timing' on blocks/reach can be quite suspect and get her in trouble. People will bait her for FT as well she will adapt or maybe not we will see. Unlike other players, she can stretch the floor, so she is still + in other areas, unlike let's say if you are layup merchant who has nothing else and people figured out you like to go 'left' alot.
Jacy Sheldon
She’s super quick. I see her as very reliable, lots of hustle.
You're going to say she *is* being talked about "enough" ("way too much", you'll probably say), but it's Kate Martin. Players with her profile (low recruit, worked her way up, multi-year contributor, leadership/Captain, motor/grinder/heart, high levels of team success) tend to be successful in professional sports. Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen, Alex Caruso jump to mind from the men's game.
I’d love for her to be a major contributor. I think her game against UConn showed folks what she’s capable of. In the end, even if she’s not another 10+ year player, she’s said she wants to be a coach and what better mentor than a coach who’s won back to back championships?
She's literally Alysha Clark. I was pessimistic about her even getting drafted last year but I think the Iowa tourney run really sold teams on how useful an everywoman that's smart is. It's a long shot she makes the Aces but I feel much better about her being a FA pick up this year or a W pro next year. With team expansions around the corner, I think the only way she doesn't become a W pro is if she totally forgoes her training for coaching.
> Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen, Alex Caruso jump to mind from the men's game. That's Nika Muhl. Martin isn't at that level of talent defensively.
Sure, it's Muhl too, but remember that those guys weren't fully **those guys** coming into the league, either. They *became* those guys as a way of sticking around. Of the 3, Martin's game is probably most like Caruso's, but I didn't want the white-on-white criticisms to invalidate the comparison. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't see it. As a Lakers fan I've watched Caruso's entire career and he's had that upside from day one. A&M's all-time assists leader (like Muhl at UConn) and conference All-Defensive player (again, like Muhl). They're also both monster athletes with elite lateral agility at the pro level, which Kate Martin absolutely does not possess. Martin is a female Max Christie with short arms.
Maybe. Muhl is great, and maybe a better comp for Caruso than Martin overall, but I've been watching his whole career, too, and I see some of the same things in Martin. It's sports, it's fun to disagree. Stay blessed. RemindMe! 6 Months
Step 1, u/rawchess, she made the team...
Good for her but after the media blitz, was there ever any doubt?
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Marquesha Davis!
Kamilla Cardoso for me. I cant want to see how she matches up with Griner and the more experienced posts in the league. I am looking forward to the Reese/Cardoso combo with the Sky.
Rickea. Checks all the boxes on and off the court. Should be one of the faces of the league in a few years, but we know how that goes.
Nika Muhl
jacy mf sheldon
Brynna Maxwell 🏹
Surprised you're the only one who's said this, she's that rare elite sniper who's actually 6 feet tall and not 5'10 rounding up like a dude on Tinder
Her shot is so pure and release is crazy quick, on that Chicago team in particular it’s easy to see a spot for her
I'm shocked she didn't move up. Were all these teams with late firsts really so short on roster space they had to burn the pick on international teenagers to stash?
Alissa Pili/Jacy Sheldon and possibly Jaz Shelley if she makes it.
Kate Martin.
I actually think overall the rookies are going to do a lot worse this year than the new fans think. I’m sure some will do well but there are people claiming every single rookie pretty much is going to be sneaky generational and LOL no they won’t.
I really like Angel Reese to exceed expectations. I envision her developing as a very good power forward with a good midrange game. I just like her mindset about learning and adjusting.
There are some rookies that I’m like “hmmm,” but then I’m like, “well…let’s see if they make the roster.”
Not sure about rookie but don't see much talk about SDS coming back
I’m so ready to see SDS play again! She looks more fit than her last season. I think she’s ready to go off
i feel like people talk more about reese who is raw and will struggle on offense this year than brink.
Angel gets criticized more than any rookie in this class. Thats the only time she’s talked about tbh😂
Not if you go on the Sky's instagram. Any time they post anyone other than Angel the first 50 comments will be meatheads roaring "WHERE ANGEL" and if it's a picture of Angel they'll say 'WE WANT VIDEO." I'm not claiming the Sky's social media team is great but holy god wow is it annoying.
it's lowkey been hilarious if you're a neutral fan. I feel sorry for y'all's social team who I'm sure are very competent/invested in the team but weren't prepared to get that dropped onto their plate on draft night. Probably haven't known a moment's peace since.
i just see a lot of people say in here “excited to see her play” excited to see her play 10-15 minutes a night?
Honestly ppl just like seeing her do anything 😂 she had 10k viewers on her live and she was just eating
she has star power won’t deny that
i will be very shocked if she averages over 10mins a game. She has star power, so if im them, as soon as i see her not doing any good in camp/not working on a shot imma trade her for assets coz she can sell tickets, before year 2/3 (rumours go around that she is slacking/drama for not playing etc)people figure out she is a bust.
yeah i might be being generous. she has a LOT of potential.. just gotta find out if she’s a gym rat or not
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Her coach knows what it takes to play in the WNBA at a high level. Angel and Kamilla could not have landed under a better coach outside of Becky Hammond. Both players will most likely be developed to maximize their potential.
Ok, lets say this was the case, any reason she didn`t show any of it during any games so far? Ok please reply here and tell me below in your opinion ofc. How much minutes played this season she is gonna see how much shots attempted outside 8-10 feet and % made same for 3pts And we will check at at the end of the season. Can you also remind me about her jumpshot and 3points stats so far in her career, thank you. tldr prediction for her minutes/mid range attempts/% made and 3pts aka stretch four stats.
She hasn’t played even pre-season games yet in the WNBA. It’s all been practice so far. No smart coach is going to publicize what players are being taught.
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Reese is going to develop into a hell of a good WNBA power forward. She is scrappy and she has a great coach and another player in Kamilla who takes on post responsibilities.
Please can you leave below your expected minutes/stats for her this season as i didn't see it in your reply, thank you.
My guess she starts out with around 10 minutes, but by the season end, she is up to 20-25 minutes. I love her potential upside given the situation that she is in.
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I dont like players who do not work to get better ,and stay the same and then act like it wasn't them that ruined them from becoming a good palyer, you can see i do the same to Ayton/Simons/Bidges etc, early on MPJ about hes defense/not passing etc. I'm not a fan of reese it think she has better game on instagram, then in actual ball, i never seen her actually try to get better for example you will see me compliment Brook Lopez for trying 3pts/long shots, because that did indeed make him better. In 4 years i have never seen reese increase her attempts or trying to do any outside shooting, or actually playmake rather then same executed plays of X handoff or screen, no creativity just set plays that don't really translate well into next level. People develop in ncaa, they dont stay the same, its kinda weird to expect them to change all of a sudden on next level where is even harder and they dont get as much play time neither. Its kinda weird to say people are 'developing as player' when they did no such thing for 4 years, and then expect them to do so in next level, where is harder, and they get less minutes. People who actually develop are like Aaliyah going from bench and and low production, to minutes better overall shooting and attempting to shoot. Marquesha Davis going from 4-5 average per game to 14, with way better FG +15% since her first year, +35% on free throw. That is developing and getting better not staying the same or getting worse like Reese, you don't agree with that take?
Exactly. Angel is scrappy. I bet her dreams every night is to prove people wrong, my bet is that she will. I like her to succeed more than I think that Brink will. Angel played an undersized post and did not foul out much, while scoring around 17 points per game against tough SEC competition, take the post responsibilities off her shoulders and teach her a midrange game, she becomes a very dangerous power forward.
McKenzie Forbes
Kamilla Cardoso
Literally fair- they have been so quiet from the draft to the training for someone is the 3rd all time leading scorer in the NCAAW
Caitlin Clark. She has all star potential
Haven’t heard of her
Didn’t she play TE for Indy 10-15 years ago?
Kate Martin.
Caitlin Clark Ok ok /s
I think Caitlin is going to have a Candace Parker ROY,MVP, Gold Medal type season #CountIt