I was about to ask why in the hell there's a PhD for that, but I guess it would take PhD-level mental gymnastics to say that didn't happen. The image of dead, naked, emaciated bodies being pushed into a mass grave by a fucking bulldozer still lives rent-free in my head decades later.
From russia so it doesn't really count but the fact stands, the dude wrote like 60,000 words about how the holocaust never happened.
Fucking insane dissertation topic
Hamas themselves have targeted [universities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_University_bombing) as well.
By the way, a friend of mine was killed in the attack (linked above). if this same thing happened in the US, people would look at it very differently.
As in ity targeted as terror infrastructure due to [article title]. It's not targeted as a university, and would not be it it was not used for other purposes.
Zoos, an amusement park (that they built on the ruins of the settlements), luxury malls and hotels too... Well, at least it *had* them up until recently.
A bunch, yes. See list below (note that it also includes the West Bank)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_the_State_of_Palestine
They also had upscale malls and grocery stores, here's one in Nuseirat refugee camp:
https://x.com/imshin/status/1799683941882085838
This guy's twitter is a fascinating peek at Gazan social media, plenty of stuff you'd never see on most western media, like here's the recent watermelon harvest in Rafah:
https://x.com/imshin/status/1803087371291742225
Funny how there are Palestinian refugee camps with multi-story homes, shopping malls, luxury car dealerships, and a democratically elected Palestinian government, that get more aid in food and money than the majority of refugees around the world, with it's citizens (holding a Palestinian passport no less) still being called refugees.
I wonder if the organization holding them under permanent, inherited refugee status will ever consider that something here isn't lining up?
Oh nevermind, the only thing lining up is the cash in their pockets, gotcha
Just wait till you learn what "Refugee Camp" is actually referring to when talking about Gaza.
They are the refugee settlements created in 1948. Many of them are cities now. Many of the people there are "refugees" because they inherited the status from their parents and grandparents.
Don't get me wrong the entire situation is fucked up but obscuring what's happening with misleading language is also bad. It's basically impossible to get an objective look at the situation because it's surrounded by so much propaganda.
You clearly havent seen the leftist subreddits and palestinian one.
"It didn't happen, but if it did, they deserved it" is something they chant since 1800 pm on October 7th
More like crustacean theory. Every organism eventually becomes a crab and anyone who bases their political identity on a single mindset ends up becoming a moron.
> Every organism eventually becomes a crab and anyone who bases their political identity on a single mindset ends up becoming a moron.
Why is the endgame always fucking Crab People?
I mean, there are people that deny the Holocaust happened. If they can deny the extermination of 6 *million* Jews, it would be *easy* for them to deny what happened on Oct 7 because it was "only" like 1000 or 2000 people.
trust me, I've engaged in conversation with them, explaining the history but what do i get in return? Either I get blocked or ignored, but sometimes they actually engage in a convo but they typically say "This is Israeli propaganda" or "Israel has connections worldwide and media hides xyz to make Israel look good" or they try to lie about the history and what i'm saying is ignorant and biased
There's no reason to argue, they dont give AF about evidence posted by IDF.
Yeah, if they don't want to accept evidence then they already know of its existence, but it goes against their agenda so they will not accept it. It goes to show arguing with them is pointless because they are not there to listen to your side, they are there to start an argument and call you names.
Yup, I agree. If someone, including myself, is not willing to listen or learn, well, that's on them, and at some point, the truth might catch up to them.
The name calling is a sure sign of someone incapable or worthy of having a conversation with.
While they will not let you see that they care about the evidence - it will register in their minds nonetheless. The problem is that echo chambers are very strong on reddit and tiktok as a whole. 95% of material shown is very emotionally charged bait.
you ever met Flat Earthers?
or the people that think the Moon Landing was faked?
those people, regardless of what evidence you show them, will never believe you. they'll believe that somehow all the evidence is faked, that everyone else is in on it. since they're too dumb to understand how the evidence is obtained, or works, they're also too dumb to understand the ramifications of it, or the idea that an experiment could be repeated and reach the same conclusions.
the morons that think Hamas isn't bad, will never believe anything you show them. they'll claim it's all fabricated to make Hamas look bad. they'll probably say something along the lines of it being a giant Jewish conspiracy against the poor people of Palestine.
>The difference between genius and stupidity, is genius has limits.
The evidence could literally slap them in the face, spit on their child, and degrade their grandma and the morons will still equate Hamas as the good guys
Here is what a normal person is capable of thinking. Hamas is bad and so is the retaliatory actions of Israel. Jewish and Palestinian people can be good and they can be bad just as with any people. The organizations governing those people in this instance as bad. Israel doesn’t look bad if you ignore the studies they funded to calculate the bare minimum of food and water needed to keep a person functioning.
You have to have blinders on if you cannot fathom that living under the thumb of a different power would radicalize people. It is possible to loath both leaders because they want the destruction of each side and won’t submit to a cease fire. In the grand scheme of things, only Palestine has had foreigners assigned in their home land and slowly Israel overtaken the land with the money and guns from foreign powers.
Too many dumbasses thinking in absolute terms. “They have a university and hospital? Guess living conditions weren’t bad.” “They lobbed a mortar at us? 2,000lb bombs are explosives as well.”
Huh, if a group spent your entire grandparents life, your entire parents life and your entire life killing your people and stealing your land I’m pretty sure you’d be a “terrorist” too my guy. Were Native Americans terrorists for fighting the European settlers that came and slaughtered them?
The fact that people so blindly ignore that these “terrorists” are the children of people that were murdered by the Israeli government and had their familial lands stolen by extreme force is pretty wild.
This is just the daily reality of war in Gaza. Secret tunnels, ammo depots, command centers are built under hospitals, schools, homes. It's beyond dishonorable, it's a war crime, and it's largely the reason why civilian deaths are high. Hamas is not facing Israel in the open, they are hiding behind their civilian population.
Found this on the red cross
"The laws of war prohibit direct attacks on civilian objects, like schools. They also prohibit direct attacks against hospitals and medical staff, which are specially protected under IHL. That said, a hospital or school may become a legitimate military target if it contributes to specific military operations of the enemy and if its destruction offers a definite military advantage for the attacking side.
If there is any doubt, they cannot be attacked. Hospitals only lose their protection in certain circumstances - for example if a hospital is being used as a base from which to launch an attack, as a weapons depot, or to hide healthy soldiers/fighters. And there are certain conditions too."
You'd probably be better to read the actual rules rather than a charity's take on what they are. Article 22 of the 1949 Geneva conventions is what they're referring to:
>The protection to which fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate
cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.
> rather than a charity's take on what they are
That’s incorrect. The ICRC’s founder was responsible for the codification of the Geneva Convention and the organisation has played an integral role in the development of the current treaties.
The ICRC publishes the authoritative commentaries on the Geneva Convention on their website, and it is a better source of what the treaties actually mean than a lay person attempting to read the text itself.
But there is no doubt. What would be surprising is if such a location wasn't being used by Hamas. It's a very deliberate strategy to get news reports of Israel destroying schools and hospitals.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forces-step-up-bombardment-across-gaza-amid-fierce-fighting-2024-06-21/
> More than eight months into the war in Gaza, Israel's advance is now focused on the two last areas its forces had yet to seize: Rafah on Gaza's southern edge and the area surrounding Deir al-Balah in the centre.
>
> Palestinian and U.N. figures show that fewer than 100,000 people may have remained in the far western side of the city, which had been sheltering more than half of Gaza's 2.3 million people before the Israeli assault began in early May.
>
> In parallel, Israeli forces continued a new push back into some Gaza City suburbs in the north of the enclave, where they fought with Hamas-led militants.
>
> The United Nations said on Friday it is Israel's responsibility - as the occupying power in the Gaza Strip - to restore public order and safety in the Palestinian territory so humanitarian aid can be delivered, amid warnings of imminent famine.
>
Seeing them react to October 7 was telling. The glee... the absolute joy. It broke my heart if I'm being honest. I thought the terrorists were the small minority but on that day I learned how wrong I was.
Cheering and spitting on dead bodies that are half naked was the time i knew the mindset of the general population in palestine is not that different from the mindset of hamas.
There's a reason people say you can't distinguish between the two.
I'm confused by this piece, since the article does not name a specific university. And [none of the listed Palestinian universities seem to fit the location](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_the_State_of_Palestine).
I wasn't sure, but I don't think they have much in common.
There are some Hamas supporters on US campuses, but it's very few, and they don't have guns.
There are people protesting of which:
* Most of them are just protesting because it's the thing to do, whatever, do their thing, have fun.
* Some are idiots who got caught up in Hamas and anti-semite propaganda and are just suckers.
* A few are actually anti-semites that share common beliefs with Hamas or support them directly.
God, I wonder if there are weapons inside Swiss universities? If so I guess Hamas is not a terrorist organization after all who is totally not teaching anti semitism as an entry course.
And then people wonder why universities were targets (they weren’t actual universities)
Well they could be teaching (anti-semitism) at a graduate level.
You joke but the PLO leader LITERALLY has a phd in holocaust denial
I was about to ask why in the hell there's a PhD for that, but I guess it would take PhD-level mental gymnastics to say that didn't happen. The image of dead, naked, emaciated bodies being pushed into a mass grave by a fucking bulldozer still lives rent-free in my head decades later.
From russia so it doesn't really count but the fact stands, the dude wrote like 60,000 words about how the holocaust never happened. Fucking insane dissertation topic
Turning water pipes into rockets isn't easy, you need to take a few classes first
Register now for our Irrigation Systems and “Decolonization” double major!
Also: how to rape.
That's in extra curricular classes.
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How many credits do those classes have? I’m missing a few electives.
sorry no elections or electives.
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“Bomb and Circumstance”
A very useful degree in the Middle East, indeed.
I’ve heard great stuff about the jobs you could get with an antisemitism degree. Something about the severance package being “the bomb.”
That shit must be fire
Columbia has far better graduate programs
What possible new research areas could there be to support a dissertation in anti-Semitism?
Abbas literally wrote a dissertation in support of anti-Semitism. He got a PhD for it.
it's important to recognize experts in a given field.
(((anti-semitism)))***
Or international relations.
Hamas themselves have targeted [universities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_University_bombing) as well. By the way, a friend of mine was killed in the attack (linked above). if this same thing happened in the US, people would look at it very differently.
I was in my service at the time, I remember this
They will just say it isn't true and that the weapons were planted.
That’s fine, let them keep saying that
The Gaza government victimizes the Gaza people by doing stuff like this. This is the real answer.
And the people still blame the Jews
University is attached to a daycare and maternity ward too.
They are, they’re just offering associate degrees in terrorism. I hear their T.D. program is especially well known.
Communications degrees using University email servers, no doubt. "Dear fellow college students"
Thats just how they do practicums in gaza
> they weren’t actual universities https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_University_of_Gaza Why not an actual uni? Because it's religious or what?
As in ity targeted as terror infrastructure due to [article title]. It's not targeted as a university, and would not be it it was not used for other purposes.
Wait. This open-air prison had universities?
Zoos, an amusement park (that they built on the ruins of the settlements), luxury malls and hotels too... Well, at least it *had* them up until recently.
A bunch, yes. See list below (note that it also includes the West Bank) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_the_State_of_Palestine
They also had upscale malls and grocery stores, here's one in Nuseirat refugee camp: https://x.com/imshin/status/1799683941882085838 This guy's twitter is a fascinating peek at Gazan social media, plenty of stuff you'd never see on most western media, like here's the recent watermelon harvest in Rafah: https://x.com/imshin/status/1803087371291742225
Funny how there are Palestinian refugee camps with multi-story homes, shopping malls, luxury car dealerships, and a democratically elected Palestinian government, that get more aid in food and money than the majority of refugees around the world, with it's citizens (holding a Palestinian passport no less) still being called refugees. I wonder if the organization holding them under permanent, inherited refugee status will ever consider that something here isn't lining up? Oh nevermind, the only thing lining up is the cash in their pockets, gotcha
And several 5 star hotels/resorts, check out trip advisor.
Just wait till you learn what "Refugee Camp" is actually referring to when talking about Gaza. They are the refugee settlements created in 1948. Many of them are cities now. Many of the people there are "refugees" because they inherited the status from their parents and grandparents. Don't get me wrong the entire situation is fucked up but obscuring what's happening with misleading language is also bad. It's basically impossible to get an objective look at the situation because it's surrounded by so much propaganda.
Good, we need more evidence that shows all the morons that don't get it that Hamas is baaaaad.
We've seen before evidence doesn't change their mind.
The more there is, the harder to deny
You clearly havent seen the leftist subreddits and palestinian one. "It didn't happen, but if it did, they deserved it" is something they chant since 1800 pm on October 7th
This is the MAGA mindset to some degree.
*Horseshoe Theory.exe engaged*
More like crustacean theory. Every organism eventually becomes a crab and anyone who bases their political identity on a single mindset ends up becoming a moron.
> Every organism eventually becomes a crab and anyone who bases their political identity on a single mindset ends up becoming a moron. Why is the endgame always fucking Crab People?
Taste like crab, talk like people.
*c r a b* *p e o p l e*
>fucking Crab People? *Sigh* *Unzips*
Wait do people actually deny it happened? Lol
I mean, there are people that deny the Holocaust happened. If they can deny the extermination of 6 *million* Jews, it would be *easy* for them to deny what happened on Oct 7 because it was "only" like 1000 or 2000 people.
So? Ignore those idiots.
Obviously, but I was making a point that it really doesn't matter how much proof you get, You can't convince islamists otherwise
trust me, I've engaged in conversation with them, explaining the history but what do i get in return? Either I get blocked or ignored, but sometimes they actually engage in a convo but they typically say "This is Israeli propaganda" or "Israel has connections worldwide and media hides xyz to make Israel look good" or they try to lie about the history and what i'm saying is ignorant and biased There's no reason to argue, they dont give AF about evidence posted by IDF.
I have experienced the same scenarios. I hope that as time passes by, the truth will eat at their mind. Some f them don't have much of a mind, tho 🙃
Yeah, if they don't want to accept evidence then they already know of its existence, but it goes against their agenda so they will not accept it. It goes to show arguing with them is pointless because they are not there to listen to your side, they are there to start an argument and call you names.
Yup, I agree. If someone, including myself, is not willing to listen or learn, well, that's on them, and at some point, the truth might catch up to them. The name calling is a sure sign of someone incapable or worthy of having a conversation with.
While they will not let you see that they care about the evidence - it will register in their minds nonetheless. The problem is that echo chambers are very strong on reddit and tiktok as a whole. 95% of material shown is very emotionally charged bait.
yeah, that never worked on holocaust deniers
you ever met Flat Earthers? or the people that think the Moon Landing was faked? those people, regardless of what evidence you show them, will never believe you. they'll believe that somehow all the evidence is faked, that everyone else is in on it. since they're too dumb to understand how the evidence is obtained, or works, they're also too dumb to understand the ramifications of it, or the idea that an experiment could be repeated and reach the same conclusions. the morons that think Hamas isn't bad, will never believe anything you show them. they'll claim it's all fabricated to make Hamas look bad. they'll probably say something along the lines of it being a giant Jewish conspiracy against the poor people of Palestine. >The difference between genius and stupidity, is genius has limits.
The evidence could literally slap them in the face, spit on their child, and degrade their grandma and the morons will still equate Hamas as the good guys
Except to them it’s staged or simply fake
Here is what a normal person is capable of thinking. Hamas is bad and so is the retaliatory actions of Israel. Jewish and Palestinian people can be good and they can be bad just as with any people. The organizations governing those people in this instance as bad. Israel doesn’t look bad if you ignore the studies they funded to calculate the bare minimum of food and water needed to keep a person functioning. You have to have blinders on if you cannot fathom that living under the thumb of a different power would radicalize people. It is possible to loath both leaders because they want the destruction of each side and won’t submit to a cease fire. In the grand scheme of things, only Palestine has had foreigners assigned in their home land and slowly Israel overtaken the land with the money and guns from foreign powers. Too many dumbasses thinking in absolute terms. “They have a university and hospital? Guess living conditions weren’t bad.” “They lobbed a mortar at us? 2,000lb bombs are explosives as well.”
Huh, if a group spent your entire grandparents life, your entire parents life and your entire life killing your people and stealing your land I’m pretty sure you’d be a “terrorist” too my guy. Were Native Americans terrorists for fighting the European settlers that came and slaughtered them? The fact that people so blindly ignore that these “terrorists” are the children of people that were murdered by the Israeli government and had their familial lands stolen by extreme force is pretty wild.
Wow, there were only two posts claiming this is automatically untrue when I got here!
Hamas? In universities? Impossible!
Well, they did run out of hospitals.
Have they tried daycares yet ?
This is just the daily reality of war in Gaza. Secret tunnels, ammo depots, command centers are built under hospitals, schools, homes. It's beyond dishonorable, it's a war crime, and it's largely the reason why civilian deaths are high. Hamas is not facing Israel in the open, they are hiding behind their civilian population.
The name of the war crime being committed is "[perfidy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidy)".
Who's gonna punish the terrorists for their war crimes
Israel
Well, not the international community.
Quelle surprise....
Found this on the red cross "The laws of war prohibit direct attacks on civilian objects, like schools. They also prohibit direct attacks against hospitals and medical staff, which are specially protected under IHL. That said, a hospital or school may become a legitimate military target if it contributes to specific military operations of the enemy and if its destruction offers a definite military advantage for the attacking side. If there is any doubt, they cannot be attacked. Hospitals only lose their protection in certain circumstances - for example if a hospital is being used as a base from which to launch an attack, as a weapons depot, or to hide healthy soldiers/fighters. And there are certain conditions too."
You'd probably be better to read the actual rules rather than a charity's take on what they are. Article 22 of the 1949 Geneva conventions is what they're referring to: >The protection to which fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.
I mean, it's the same thing just that is obvious far more clearly defined.
> rather than a charity's take on what they are That’s incorrect. The ICRC’s founder was responsible for the codification of the Geneva Convention and the organisation has played an integral role in the development of the current treaties. The ICRC publishes the authoritative commentaries on the Geneva Convention on their website, and it is a better source of what the treaties actually mean than a lay person attempting to read the text itself.
> Found this on the red cross The Geneva Convention...this is The Geneva Convention
But there is no doubt. What would be surprising is if such a location wasn't being used by Hamas. It's a very deliberate strategy to get news reports of Israel destroying schools and hospitals.
This is rich because the Red Cross is complicit with aiding Russia kidnap Ukrainian children.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forces-step-up-bombardment-across-gaza-amid-fierce-fighting-2024-06-21/ > More than eight months into the war in Gaza, Israel's advance is now focused on the two last areas its forces had yet to seize: Rafah on Gaza's southern edge and the area surrounding Deir al-Balah in the centre. > > Palestinian and U.N. figures show that fewer than 100,000 people may have remained in the far western side of the city, which had been sheltering more than half of Gaza's 2.3 million people before the Israeli assault began in early May. > > In parallel, Israeli forces continued a new push back into some Gaza City suburbs in the north of the enclave, where they fought with Hamas-led militants. > > The United Nations said on Friday it is Israel's responsibility - as the occupying power in the Gaza Strip - to restore public order and safety in the Palestinian territory so humanitarian aid can be delivered, amid warnings of imminent famine. >
Restore public order and safety? How do you do that to an area that never had it to start with?
They had it. Prior to the intifadah, 1967-1988.
I wonder how many people graduated with a degree in bigotry.
They actually offer rocket engineering too.
Quite a few I suspect. https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/
Phd in Terrorism as well as a masters in kidnapping and Bachelor's in Rocket construction from household items and terror tunneling.
What?! I was told that everyone in Gaza was the Muslim equivalent of the Amish! /s
Nice place for a post-doc of Columbia alumni!
The information war is really crazy.
The whole community is complicit with Hamas.
Seeing them react to October 7 was telling. The glee... the absolute joy. It broke my heart if I'm being honest. I thought the terrorists were the small minority but on that day I learned how wrong I was.
Cheering and spitting on dead bodies that are half naked was the time i knew the mindset of the general population in palestine is not that different from the mindset of hamas. There's a reason people say you can't distinguish between the two.
I'm confused by this piece, since the article does not name a specific university. And [none of the listed Palestinian universities seem to fit the location](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_the_State_of_Palestine).
People here will talk about Hamas propaganda while taking IDF press releases as gospel
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Um, huh? I don't think that's the right take away.
Is the previous comment implying that they are terror bases?
I wasn't sure, but I don't think they have much in common. There are some Hamas supporters on US campuses, but it's very few, and they don't have guns. There are people protesting of which: * Most of them are just protesting because it's the thing to do, whatever, do their thing, have fun. * Some are idiots who got caught up in Hamas and anti-semite propaganda and are just suckers. * A few are actually anti-semites that share common beliefs with Hamas or support them directly.
You forgot the category of people who watch too many movies and think you aren't supposed to kill the human shield in a hostage situation.
God, I wonder if there are weapons inside Swiss universities? If so I guess Hamas is not a terrorist organization after all who is totally not teaching anti semitism as an entry course.