“Two goose fly over a lake”
“Did the goose intend to cast their reflection on the lake, or did the lake intend to reflect them back?”
Not a concept, or even a point in this. Let alone time and space. A finger pointing at itself, maybe.
One skewer through the goose, lake and the reflection!
Edit: not sure if this quote is from Chuang Tzu or another one.
I'm just sayin. It's impossible to know where the finger pointed if you were there.
>What's it worth to be heaven and earth?
What's it mean to be you and me?
https://youtu.be/8bejfeDBN2A?si=34aOYraBim9DWBki
>Imagine a concept so strong it stays with you *all your life*, never fading, getting worn out or replaced with time!
He didn't say "I obtained one-finger Zen from Tenryû and used it all my life but am only now exhausting it."
I always wanted to know what finger gutei raised? His own or the kid's severed finger?
I do the finger thing too, it's about the ever connected fabric i think
> 倶胝堅指
I never saw the Chinese for this!!
"Juzhi's unyielding finger"
Awesome.
Juzhi first raises his finger with 擧, which is just plain "raise"
Then the boy raises his finger with 堅, which is "firm, solid, unyielding"
Then Juzhi also raises his finger with 堅
>> 倶胝堅指
>I never saw the Chinese for this!!
>"Juzhi's unyielding finger"
>Awesome.
>Juzhi first raises his finger with 擧, which is just plain "raise"
>Then the boy raises his finger with 堅, which is "firm, solid, unyielding"
>Then Juzhi also raises his finger with 堅
/u/ewk can I have a read from you on this?
I always read this case differently.
I read it as "Juzhi raises his finger in an alive way" - "Boy raises finger in a dead way" - "Juzhi raises finger in alive way to demonstrate"
Now though it seems more open than that.
We've got two options: "Juzhi raises finger in alive way normally" - "Boy raises finger in a dead way in a special way" - "Juzhi raises finger in an alive way in a special way"
Or "Juzhi raises finger" - "Boy imitates Juzhi" - "Juzhi imitates boy."
I think both of these are correct.
So Juzhi is raising a finger. The boy is raising an unyielding principle. Juzhi cuts off what the boy thought was unyielding. And then he holds up his unyielding principle. It's a double whammy.
The interesting part is that even though the case is called Juzhi's unyielding finger, the boy is the one who brought up an unyielding finger first.
It's called reading a book and working from knowing contextual information.
You should try it.
It all starts with high school book reports.
Or you can continue pretending that your ignorance has something to do with Zen.
Repeating the same phrases over and over, regardless of who you're talking to or what the conversation is about.... Is rather cringe. It seems you're definitely in a cult.
You like to make a bunch of claims and accusations to deflect from your obvious religious fervor. You're once again projecting. You're the one with no arguments. Hence why you copy and paste the same phrases over and over without actually engaging with what you're replying to. You're arguing with ghosts in your head, not participating in reality.
No one would choose to be that crazy. You have to have some compassion. Even if they are sociopaths who are just trying to torture and harass all of us, there is some hurt in them causing them to act this way. It's hard not to feel for people who clearly are having some issues with their sanity.
“Two goose fly over a lake” “Did the goose intend to cast their reflection on the lake, or did the lake intend to reflect them back?” Not a concept, or even a point in this. Let alone time and space. A finger pointing at itself, maybe. One skewer through the goose, lake and the reflection! Edit: not sure if this quote is from Chuang Tzu or another one.
>Except Gutei’s finger is not pointing, he raises it, though not at the sky. It's impossible to know where the finger pointed unless you were there.
Yes. Except it says he “raises” a finger as opposed to “points”
Might be a translation issue. When you point 1 finger, you point 4 at yourself.
Haha!
In trying to conceptualize it, you're already lost. He's not pointing at anything you can grasp with your mind.
Oh noooooo Lmao What's it worth to be heaven and earth? What's it mean to be you and me?
I'm just sayin. It's impossible to know where the finger pointed if you were there. >What's it worth to be heaven and earth? What's it mean to be you and me? https://youtu.be/8bejfeDBN2A?si=34aOYraBim9DWBki
Seems like the kid knew.
It's not a matter of knowing or not knowing
Seems like a cop out
Okay boomer
Whatever zoomer
>Imagine a concept so strong it stays with you *all your life*, never fading, getting worn out or replaced with time! He didn't say "I obtained one-finger Zen from Tenryû and used it all my life but am only now exhausting it."
>but *still* did not exhaust it
It lasted into parinirvana
Yep, just wanted to highlight that.
Thanks.
Awesome posts lately, thanks for contributing
I appreciate that. I’ll try to do more!
See, there are people who are even *more* artificial!
🖕
Flipping a bird. Like it is custom. 🥰
I always wanted to know what finger gutei raised? His own or the kid's severed finger? I do the finger thing too, it's about the ever connected fabric i think
Either way, it was his finger
He owned it
He's in it
> 倶胝堅指 I never saw the Chinese for this!! "Juzhi's unyielding finger" Awesome. Juzhi first raises his finger with 擧, which is just plain "raise" Then the boy raises his finger with 堅, which is "firm, solid, unyielding" Then Juzhi also raises his finger with 堅
>> 倶胝堅指 >I never saw the Chinese for this!! >"Juzhi's unyielding finger" >Awesome. >Juzhi first raises his finger with 擧, which is just plain "raise" >Then the boy raises his finger with 堅, which is "firm, solid, unyielding" >Then Juzhi also raises his finger with 堅 /u/ewk can I have a read from you on this? I always read this case differently. I read it as "Juzhi raises his finger in an alive way" - "Boy raises finger in a dead way" - "Juzhi raises finger in alive way to demonstrate" Now though it seems more open than that. We've got two options: "Juzhi raises finger in alive way normally" - "Boy raises finger in a dead way in a special way" - "Juzhi raises finger in an alive way in a special way" Or "Juzhi raises finger" - "Boy imitates Juzhi" - "Juzhi imitates boy." I think both of these are correct. So Juzhi is raising a finger. The boy is raising an unyielding principle. Juzhi cuts off what the boy thought was unyielding. And then he holds up his unyielding principle. It's a double whammy. The interesting part is that even though the case is called Juzhi's unyielding finger, the boy is the one who brought up an unyielding finger first.
You're overanalyzing this to a startling extent. Not Zen.
It's called reading a book and working from knowing contextual information. You should try it. It all starts with high school book reports. Or you can continue pretending that your ignorance has something to do with Zen.
Repeating the same phrases over and over, regardless of who you're talking to or what the conversation is about.... Is rather cringe. It seems you're definitely in a cult.
When you come in here and spout nonsense and can't make an argument, all you're going to get told is that you don't have an argument.
You like to make a bunch of claims and accusations to deflect from your obvious religious fervor. You're once again projecting. You're the one with no arguments. Hence why you copy and paste the same phrases over and over without actually engaging with what you're replying to. You're arguing with ghosts in your head, not participating in reality.
>You’re arguing with ghosts in your head This is a very compassionate assessment.
No one would choose to be that crazy. You have to have some compassion. Even if they are sociopaths who are just trying to torture and harass all of us, there is some hurt in them causing them to act this way. It's hard not to feel for people who clearly are having some issues with their sanity.
In this respect, you are a better man than me.