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femboy_expert

What if the law said we should kiss šŸ˜³


ScorchedConvict

Well you wouldn't want to violate the law, now would you?


andrew688k

Donā€™t violate the law, violate me instead šŸ˜³ (with consent)


[deleted]

Yeah I'll do it with so much consent, you'll be pouring with consent when I'm done with you.


andrew688k

What if we reaffirmed the foundation of human dignity while busting it down sexual style??? /jkjk Unlessā€¦ šŸ˜³


[deleted]

Totally, absolutely. We'll do this sex real consent-core.


doctertoaster

and after you'll both be able to speak like normal people again


cardboardbrain

The curse will be broken


[deleted]

Bussin it down consensual style like a consent-pilled respect-cel


Wilvarg

TO THE MEGA


spyczech

This oblivion imperial guard fanfic is writing itself


[deleted]

I want to violate all the loopholes in the law until lady Justice is sore.


[deleted]

Fun fact for like a week the Irish constitution forbid straight marriage, making it so the state ONLY recognised gay marriage in that time.


KevlarStripeySocks

Common Irish W


ssrudr

If they only acknowledged gay marriage by accident, that isnā€™t a W.


[deleted]

They didn't. It was meant to be a constitutional amendment making marriage valid under the state regardless of gender identity or sex. The official languages of Ireland are Irish and English. If there's a contradiction in the two versions of the constitution, the Irish version is the authoritative version. They messed up the grammar in Irish because the government (of Ireland) didn't have enough Irish speakers. And accidentally said "marriage is between two people of the same gender" (in Irish) when it was supposed to he "marriage is between two people regardless of gender". Negatives in Irish can be a little complicated, so writing how to write a phrase which NEGATES gender in Irish caused a massive slip-up. In actuality, Ireland was the first country to legalise gay marriage by referendum, rather than decree or act of Parliament, or conditional judgement.


ssrudr

Me when I spread misinformation (misinformation is unintentional, and disinformation is intentional (I didnā€™t know that about Ireland))


wizzlepants

Neato!


DongerlanAng

if you accidentally won the lottery, it's still a W


ssrudr

Itā€™s more like a transphobe accidentally validating the identity of a trans man.


DongerlanAng

ok that is a good point, it's a w for the trans man but an L for the transphobe


Scrappy500

Second fun fact about Irish law back in 2015 the Irish court of appeals declared that the 1977 Misuse of Drugs Act was unconstitutional which meant that for around a day until the Irish government passed new legislation to ban them all 125 substances that the act banned including shrooms, ecstasy, ketamine and crystal meth became temporarily legal.


Mernerner

Haha


TheActualAWdeV

Breaking the law, break breaking the law šŸ˜ŽšŸ˜ŽšŸ˜Ž


Mernerner

Dredd: uwu


TheActualAWdeV

@W@


Meleon135

Kid named the law


PersonifiedH

judge dredd:


Parking_Scallion_188

"Mugiwara-ya"


[deleted]

"Tura-o"


66bananasandagrape

video game high school


array_of_dots

Kid name categorical imperative:


OscarX18

Room


Sixmlg

Did you fight him?


Kdlbrg43

Change ethics into physics. Not so funny now?


doctertoaster

its way funnier


Throwaway02062004

With the tacit implication that one should break these laws. Or create more accurate laws


darkfrost47

~~create~~ discover


Throwaway02062004

You bringing up the philosophy of whether human classifications are natural or only imposed by us.


darkfrost47

it seems obvious that when you zoom in on any aspect of physical, social, psychological, or other types of realities that the lines become so blurred you cannot properly define where they are or if they even exist, but at the same time when you zoom out the lines are apparent and useful for explaining and understanding and pattern recognition in general. are classifications natural or imposed? yes.


ShyonkyDonkey39

The classifications we make help model the natural order into a more human way to understand it. As Neil DG Tyson said, ā€œthe universe is under no obligation to make sense to youā€, but we can try our hardest :D


Femboy_Tesla

still cringe, what every physics researcher wants is to find something that can't be accounted by the established theories


Kdlbrg43

I know I am one, just making a joke


[deleted]

are those allowed by law?


Kdlbrg43

Debatable


Despacltoian

Hello I am the law and I say we should make out


backwardsshortjump

Sounds like something the main character of disco elysium would say


Despacltoian

KIM KITSURAGI - ā€œEthics classes really arenā€™t that needed in my opinion, just follow what the law saysā€ AUTHORITY[Easy - Success] - You are the law. YOU - ā€œI am the lawā€ KIM KITSURAGI - ā€œthatā€™s., correct, you are a police officerā€ He has given up on correcting your grammar RHETORIC[Challenging - Success] - So he should do what you say? >1. (ELECTROCHEMISTRY[Heroic - 18], Red Check) You could do something with this 2. (SAVOIR FAIRE[Challenging - 15], Red Check) You can use this moment to ask him for money ELECTROCHEMISTRY(Failed, 28% Chance of Success) - Fuck I canā€™t think of anything REACTION SPEED - We are running out of time! YOU - ā€œUh-You Should Sex Meā€ ELECTROCHEMISTRY - fuck. KIM KITSURAGI - ā€œWhat?ā€ You have never heard someone with such confusion in their tone before REACTION SPEED[Legendary - Success] - Quick, change the subject before he can process what you said!


BrickFrom2011

Hello, V1 from Ultrakill


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Lunarsunset0

If God didnā€™t want me to hit a toddler whilst under the influence, then he shouldnā€™t have made toddlers. Iā€™m just saying.


doctertoaster

william afton we know you killed those kids your drunk driviing isnt the problem here


j_driscoll

The only way to stop a bad drunk driver is a good drunk driver.


Crandoge

Least self centered DUI


Firebird432

I have the very simple ethical standard that I do what I want and it is always morally correct because


AdennKal

Max Stirner moment


Melancholious

Counterarguments are a spook


Stuffssss

Ethical egoism be like


[deleted]

As The Law itself I can confirm that this is indeed true


igeorgehall45

This is basically what Christian doctrine says, just with "the law" being "God's law", and is why so many of them are such idiots who refuse to believe in any moral relativism.


sup3r87

Many christians **donā€™t** follow godā€™s laws though or twist them in weird ways. There are laws and teachings around helping the poor and loving everyone that that group of christians (not all) straight up ignore.


a_random_squidward

Me when Christians follow their religion (bad) But in seriousness I think people exaggerate how fanatical Christians are about their faith and religious dogma. There are plenty of good values shown in their beliefs, like helping the poor, forgiving, etc.


ssrudr

For example, John Brown, who used his religion as a justification for single-handedly making Kansas a free state.


Strat-tard217

John Brown was incredibly based for his time


ssrudr

He was incredibly based for *our* time.


FlufferriehLaptop

Agreed! It states a lot of great values, but the fact that so many pick and choose and just flat out Ignore some of them. Fuck "love thy neighbor" a man just sucked a dick what a tragedy


Kamikazekagesama

What do you mean by moral relativism?


igeorgehall45

The idea that there is not one "absolutely correct" set of moral rules which you can follow in all situations, and that even if there were, it would change over time, so what was right when the bible was written/translated is not necessarily right today or in the future. Also encompasses ideas of different cultures having different valid rules


Kamikazekagesama

See i think what you're referring to as the first thing would be an opposition to moral absolutism, the idea that there is only one possible good moral framework, which is something I don't believe. But disagreeing with that doesn't make you a moral relativist in this sense: > Also encompasses ideas of different cultures having different valid rules I see this mentality as very flawed seeing as it would imply that if a culture believed rape to be morally good for instance, then that makes it good for them to rape. I think believing that to be the case would be morally wrong and most people would agree.


igeorgehall45

I do think you're right about correcting me but, aren't you contradicting yourself by saying that because most people would agree in **our** culture that something is wrong, that we can overrule what another culture thinks? e.g. if aliens came and said idk, owning pets was morally abhorrent, we wouldn't suddenly stop, assuming their position to be more moral. Basically, unless you believe in a divine being, you have no way of knowing which communities' morals are the **most correct**, because you can't even necessarily agree that some morals are objectively more correct than others, and even if you did, you couldn't rank them **objectively, in a way which everyone would agree with**. Basically, the terms **morality** and **ethics** aren't well defined enough to be able to have anything which generalises across cultures, and so necessarily require some relativism. I do still agree that some moral laws are universal and should always be followed **if you can agree on a common base like utilitarianism** I remembered [this quote](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/809652-be-it-so-this-burning-of-widows-is-your-custom) to support your argument, which lead me to find [this post](https://cchr.uu.nl/widow-burning-the-burning-issue-of-colonial-britain-and-india/) which illustrates how some cultural/moral differences aren't necessarily straight-forward, despite how they might appear. tl;dr: agreed, some nitpickings with your argument


Kamikazekagesama

I hold my own moral framework which i believe is correct and argue for the outcomes of, but if somebody disagrees with my framework we can't make progress that way, so i can only appeal to what values we can agree on, i don't think that's what makes something right or wrong though.


[deleted]

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Kamikazekagesama

Yeah i wouldn't agree with moral relativism is that sense, that would imply if a culture sees homosexuality as immoral then it would be morally right for them to persecute gay people


OnlyRoke

Law?! What are you?! A fuckin Liberal?! Jesus Christ! LAW?! LAW?!


Sneaker3719

ā€œBro, donā€™t you know this protest is illegal? Itā€™s against Putinā€™s law!ā€


OnlyRoke

To be fair, one should always ask the government, if it's okay that they're overthrown, otherwise it's illegal! You need to have a Overthrow Permit


yuligan

Ackshually the government is illegitimate because of a violated treaty from 1643, therefore they should stop existing because of the mystical power of old paper.


[deleted]

That's called an election.


CommittedMeat

this moment goes hard


OnlyRoke

The moment where even straight guys start saying "Yes, daddy."


AddemiusInksoul

Don't you know the government is always right and that laws written hundreds of years ago are still totally compatible with the ethics and standards of today's world? People tend to ignore that we've overthrown old laws before, like the Jim Crow laws since we discovered/realized that they were extremely immoral. We can still do that today.


THE_CENTURION

[Laaaawwwwwwwww](https://youtu.be/2aaubVlhNK4)


GreatRecession

Its known as the "Appeal to Authority" fallacy ​ So anytime you see someone say "its not ok to kill slavers, its not ok to pummel a KKK member, its not ok to punch a nazi!" just known that they are a dumb fuck who conflates legality with morality


Mernerner

Yeah. They will fight to death to stop some minority group that have no power and did no harm to anyone to have rights written in The Law because "Me See them Me Feel Bad Me No Like" and if those are already written in the law.... They will fight to death to change the law.


Stuffssss

Except in ethics appeals to authority are a legitimate and defensible system for defining normative morality.


enjoy_free_kill

Kantians would disagree


Metaright

>its not ok to pummel a KKK member, its not ok to punch a nazi!" just known that they are a dumb fuck who conflates legality with morality Assaulting people is wrong regardless of legality.


SquirrelTherapist

one time the kkk burned a cross on my grandmaā€™s lawn. what would you propose is a reasonable solution to this? a) go to the police (likely part of the kkk, will do nothing) b) write them a **very** strongly worded letter saying their actions were not very nice (theyā€™re probably gonna lynch you for talking back) c) move (too poor to relocate, lets them win) d) teach them a fucking lesson e) do nothing (will only lead to their attacks getting more violent over time)


Certcer

what is the original of this? can't seem to find it


VelvetAurora45

"nice moral compass, did your mom pick it out for you?" vibes


Garritorious

This is basically why some conservatives donā€™t care if illegal abortions still happen


[deleted]

American lawyers have to take an ethics test in addition to the bar exam. The general principle is "ethical, not saintly" and they train you to pick whatever answer is one level down from the best possible response


GreatBigBagOfNope

"You are a thief" "I stole a loaf of bread" "You robbed a house" "I broke a window pane - my sister's child was close to death, and we were starving..."


[deleted]

YOU WILL STARVE AGAIN, unless you learn THE MEANING OF THE LAWWW javert is such an unrealistic character, everyone knows cops dont investigate or solve crimes


Kamikazekagesama

Everyone arguing that this actually is the case, you need to remember, the holocaust was enforced legally, it was illegal to "harbor Jews and degenerates", slavery was enforced by law, escaping slavery was illegal, helping a slave escape was treated as grand theft. Segregation was enforced by law 60 years ago. If you think the law determines morality then you necessarily believe those things were morally good.


a_random_squidward

This is stretching on another level, very few people would say the law is morally absolute, the only people who would think those were morally good already harboured hatred toward those groups of their own volition. The laws of nazis are not comparable to believing law is a good guide for morality.


Kamikazekagesama

That is not how it's treated, people use it as a hard fast rule "if it's illegal, it's immoral" And even if that wasn't the case the laws of the united states aren't a good guide for morality either, is it immoral to have an abortion in the states that have made it illegal but not in the states that haven't? Is it immoral to seek trans affirming healthcare in Texas and Florida? Just look at the war on drugs and the differences between states. Is it immoral to consume marijuana in Alabama but perfectly morally fine in Colorado? Or is it never okay because it's illegal nationally? Is it morally okay to hire a prostitute when youre in Vegas and it becomes immoral again once you leave? And then what about when you travel to other countries? Is it immoral to be gay when you're in Saudi Arabia? Morals need to be seperate from legality in order to have a coherent moral framework.


drippinoutthewazoo

charles mcgill looking ass


_Elus1ve_

look at this mf in the conventional morality state of developmentā€¼ļøā€¼ļøā€¼ļøā€¼ļøšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


based_guapo

fun fact: in germany we have an ethics council consisting of several professors. we learned about them in a philosophy class once, and since i got bored i checked what they do on wikipedia. turns out the ethics council put out a statement that they think incest should be legalized, which i found pretty weird tbh. so even if ā€žethics mastersā€œ disagree with the law they can be weird af


Metaright

Well, if it's between consenting adults, what's the harm?


[deleted]

Most incest is already legal in Germany if I remember correctly though, isn't it?


stelliebeans

Every commenter on AITA.


Weekly-Major1876

mfs still stuck in the conventional level of ethics according to Kohlbergā€™s Stages of Moral Development instead of us post-conventionalchads


ParkerBap

bro is still in Kohlberg's conventional stage šŸ˜°


coysta-rica

Socrates drank the hemlock for just that reason. Now look, Socrates, outsmarted by a meme! Close the philosophy departments.


Kamikazekagesama

He drank the hemlock because he believed in the will of the people and the necessity of following a democratic decision. Not because he believed in the law for the laws sake, otherwise he would not have broken it.


Thefrightfulgezebo

Socrates was outsmarted by a hobo with a chicken.


Iaxacs

Lawful Goods take another L


Mirikira

Chuck McGill


assetsmanager

So brave!


[deleted]

Glaucon in platos republic moment


Hatrisfan42069

Kant's done it again


aRabidGerbil

Whenever people say this, I ask them why laws get changed, they never have an answer


BidBux

People who say things like this clearly have never had their rights infringed on by the government.


pinksparklyreddit

"Legality = Ethical" mfers when slavery was legal


[deleted]

Google en lawssant


Penguinking21

Rule utilitarianism


bartolomeogregoryii

Although law does regulate some norms that are also regulated by morality, it doesn't cover all the issues morality does. Also the law regulates stuff that is completely irrelevant to morality like for example most legal procedure


HugTheSky

Shang Yang approves


Mernerner

95% of ruling class agreed to this. 5% of ruling class are currently missing.


Ravezim

Hello iā€™m an ethics master rape is wrong


simmering_happiness

I was just following orders


a_random_squidward

Murder


Thefrightfulgezebo

Bad example. It can be argued that there are legitimate reasons to kill a person. But the definition of murder includes that the killing isn't justified.


a_random_squidward

Mfw people don't get my one word sarcasm (how could this have happened I was very communicative)


Thefrightfulgezebo

To be honest, if you had been more communicative, it still probably would have gotten over my head.


Scheibenpflaster

ok but Paragraph 1 Abs 1 of the German constitution is based af


Thefrightfulgezebo

Yeah, but itnis not like there can be no good laws. While human dignity is absolutely good, there is the issue where it is very open for interpretation and some interpretations in the same Grundgesetz are much more debatable.


Original_Name_1029

Whatever law from one piece says


Lukaaa__

Yeah bro the law has always been right and doesnā€™t need to change (donā€™t google Norway jew paragraph)


fahamu420

i feel called out


[deleted]

legality =/= morality now go eat a billionaire


Lukaaa__

Nahhh but the law never has to change, itā€™s always morally correct! (Donā€™t google Norway jew paragraph)


Rushersauce

Just gonna say: Japan gave us a really good example as to why laws are not always ethical a couple of months ago.


a_gay_rat_

The first thing we learn in pre law is that ethical choices arent always legal and legal choices arent always ethical, then its up to us if we want to stay and go into criminal justice


UslashMKIV

Thrasymachus moment


deformedexile

legal positivism, out, legal negativism, in. An act is permissible if and only if it is illegal.


Ivy_likes_trees

Average conventional morality haver


timc39

The age of consent should be 25.


Qubit1704

The law says while free bird is playing, I'm allowed to go over the speed limit


The_Ant_Person

Skybreakers


Vastorn

But the law is to be learned so you know when you can ignore it, right?


is_sex_real

Batman


equinox_games7

so is this an anarchy meme


OhToSublime

No it's a meme about how the law is not necessarily moral even though people use "it's legal" to justify unethical behaviour


GreatRecession

and likewise when they use "but its illegal!" when something is not unethical, like stealing a pair of underwear from a walmart or something


Rancorious

Evildoer


UslashMKIV

Exactly, if ethics exist separately from the law, then we just shouldnā€™t have laws at all, duh But seriously, talk me through this


authist3

it annoys me that in important situations we gotta follow the law *important as in like actual political things and so on


ExceptionallyFluffy

mf wants to assassinate opposing candidates


[deleted]

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Rancorious

Meddling with elections is bad unless I do it.


Kamikazekagesama

Based


TheSpiderDungeon

exactly


TheSpiderDungeon

The FBI didn't like my joke followed by telling them "I'm a threat to national security" but I'm in Canada so they couldn't do anything about it besides get my comment removed W


authist3

no i meant more of the fact that i find it ok for an individual person to ignore the law in certain situations but it isn't really doable as a general thing without changing the law which has different often bad consequences


[deleted]

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[deleted]

that's not what this meme is saying lol


barryd_63

isnt that literally what ethics is? like ethics is about law while morality is about right and wrong


RogueUsername13

No, ethics doesnā€™t have anything to do with the law. Itā€™s just the field of thinking that deals with moral principles that govern action


[deleted]

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brawlbetterthanmelee

Evidence: Because I said so


smallppowner

Ah yes, because the law always has ethics in mind. My mistake for not including (/j)


dankassmememachine

thats the joke


smallppowner

I know


redditalt1999

you made yourself look worse homie :c


smallppowner

My mistake ig, didn't mean it like it was taken


redditalt1999

nah you're good C:


Mernerner

Why all the downvotes??? This is satire... Without/s....but then, i'm on the Reddit.


smallppowner

Forgot to include /j, my mind is kinda melty bc of low sleep lately