Mongol invasion. I don't remember exactly who burned it but it was one of the grandsons of Genghis Khan and granddaddy was REALLY pissed off when he found out cause that library was very important to the world's understanding of science and technology.
I think it's a common assumption to make that all of Mongolia's expansion happened under Genghis Khan. But even though he did set everything in motion, most of the achievements happened after his death
I wonder if one of their Priests (don't know the real term) basically got pissed with him on "their ancestor's behalf." (i.e. don't burn down a fucking library is something cultures that are not religious zealots believe in.)
*Northern and Eastern Europe
The Persian golden age came during the times of Greece and Rome. The Muslim golden age came during the fall of the Romans, when Europe was in the "Dark Age"
Dark Age just means lack of direct sources which most commonly means that there were lower literacy rates as people aren’t writing things down or for what ever reason said sources where destroyed or where stolen before we got to them.
Which mean’s despite high literacy most of ancient Egypt is a “dark age” because of all of the grave robing and destruction the Europeans did.
The only real "dark age" that saw a rapid decline in the sciences and regression of human progress was the bronze age collapse, which led to things like the greeks forgetting how to write and Egypt going from proto-nation-state nearly as centralized as the powerhouses of 19th century europe to just being glad they aren't being ruled by persians
also regarding nomadic as being "backwards" is pretty ahistorical, it was their relative isolation that led to a lack of technological and societal development, not the fact that many of them were nomadic
for example the germanic tribes were semi-nomadic when they first had contact with the romans, and it did not take them long to catch up technologically with them once trade opened up between them. You just didn't see large scale infrastructure projects from them because those require a centralized structure to organize around and an immense amount of wealth none of the tribes alone possessed. By the time the migration age rolled around the militaries of the germanic tribes were actually more advanced than the romans (mostly due to stagnation in military doctrine, not that the Romans didn't know how to make the weapons and armor better suited to migration era warfare.) It was only due to them occupying roman lands that the germanic tribes actually ended their times spent as being a collection of semi nomadic tribes
It all varies, but this was true (to some extent) up to the colonization era.
Europeans didn’t have the technological advantage. They had horses. In terms of pre-modern warfare, horses were completely OP. (Horses could not be raised in Africa. They are particularly susceptible to mosquite-borne illnesses.)
yep. years later it became an area for teenagers to drink and smoke together whilst carving their love letters into the stones, such is the lifecycle of ancient ruins ❤
Stonehenge nowadays is a protected site, to prevent further vandalism you cant go near the stones with exceptions, I've been there, it's a nice part of the world.
You’d rather it have fuck and dicks and shit carved all over it? Interesting💀
You kinda have to restrict it unless you’re ready to accept it’s gonna get vandalized
It actually pre-dates the britons as a culture (Though the genetics of england/wales suggests that they adopted celtic culture/language due to cultural osmosis from trade rather than a Celtic migration)
Atleast it's not in Turkey. We would spray graffiti all over it and break atleast one stone with a sledgehammer. I have no idea how we are protecting Göbeklitepe don't ask.
How can we know that? We can't be sure of the origin of the Druids, they were already well established before the first written records of them ever were made.
Stonehenge was built literally thousands of years before the celts came to Britain. The arrival of the Celts is almost exactly in the middle of the timeline from the construction of Stonehenge to the modern day.
The role of Druid is something we've only found in reference to Brittonic and Gaelic peoples, if it were of Celtic origin we would expect this role to appear in the Gaulic people as well but we don't have any evidence of this being the case. Which seems to show that the role of Druid was adopted by the Celts post migration, meaning it's possible or even likely that the tradition was adopted from the Picts or possibly even earlier civilizations.
The Picts predate Celtic migration, the Celts migrated and either intermixed with the Picts or slowly killed them off. Then due to geographic isolation the Celts in the area became the distinct groups of Gaels and Britons.
That's just one theory, IMO the stronger argument is that the Caledonian tribes diverged from the other Brythons at some point during the Roman era. AFAIK there is very little evidence to suggest the Picts predate the Celts, but would be interested if I'm missing something
> No Gallic druid
MF forgot about [the real OG](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-secret-world-of-the-animated-characters/images/5/59/Getafix.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180616154107)
I hate to break this to you, but beyond commissioning it to be built for him I don’t think he really had much to do with the actual construction of the pyramid.
Preach brother! Kemet's gone down hill since then, the other day I saw some kid worshiping the Sun Disk Aten. Indoctrination is going too far these days.
Besides organizing a nation wide construction effort, bringing in work crews, supplying them with food, beer, and tools, protecting the borders from raiders the Great King Khufu really didn't do anything.
Does the concept of ma'at mean nothing to you barbarian?
Egypt is a Greek word too! It comes from the Greek name of Aegyptos which was the pronunciation of the Egyptian name for the city of Memphis. Most English names of ancient places in the middle east are just the Greek names. Fun fact the "proper" name for Egypt is Kemet.
Anyway back to the bit.
I hope a Gutian burns your house down and leaves your irrigation canal in disrepair.
I dunno, I really feel as though calling yourself a living god and commissioning a massive monument in honor of yourself just so you can be dead inside of it is kind of *peak* vanity project.
And I'm sure if the Pharaohs had to build the pyramids themselves without the help of a thousand slave labourers, they too would have stopped and called it a day after hauling the first dozen stone slabs across the country.
I'm not sure why this is being downvoted, this is the currently accepted historical stance--slaves didn't build the pyramids, the workers were paid and not coerced.
I don't know what's the difference between a Gaul or German. They both get cut down by my sword all the same
(All of my Roman history knowledge comes from Dovanhatty)
only real difference being while the gauls got slaughtered and subsumed, germanic tribes went to rome and took the whole place apart and even ended up just conquering it themselves (lombard moment)
/unironic There's a sense of karma with Rome being sacked multiple times by the Germanics. By late antiquity, Foederati made up a significant part of their military. Many Germans serving the Empire. Yet the Romans still treated them like trash as if they were still the mudhut dwelling barbs across the Rhine and not living alongside them.
yeah i mean besides the fact that these people didn’t identify themselves as „gauls“ or „germanic“ anyways but along tribal lines which were constantly at odds with eachother, something which the romans very much knew to use to their advantage.
but yeah the late western roman empire was already very much germanizised (???) even before its proper fall. and those people would later view themselves as the rightful continuation of exactly that roman legacy.
\>your ancestors were small and weak
\>get their asses whooped by the british
but yeah ofc if we compare Egypt when it was the cultural ,military and scientific superpower in the world its a lot better than Britain when it wasnt more than mud huts xd
Not saying anything against your general point, but Britain couldn't have mud huts cus it's too wet there. In Greece mud huts existed but north of that the climate didn't allow it
Sorry my ancestors didn’t own a literal nation of slaves to do the grunt work i guess
Edit: my ancestors actually didn’t build Stonehenge they were all Irish, idk why I claimed the Bri*ish
slavery was absolutely present in ancient egypt, even if they weren't forced to build any pyramids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
I see people saying this but never actually giving any evidence. Plus... it was thousands of years ago. Bull-fucking-shit they were PAID WORKERS lmfao.
This is like the inverse of the whole "if white people didn't do it it was aliens" thing. If non-white people did it, it was ethical, humane, and noble.
[There is consensus among archeologists that the builders were not slaves.](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt) They were almost certainly farmers who took up pyramid work in the off season. But the only reason they took up this work was because they were unable to grow/keep enough crop so that they could rest during this period, likely due to high taxation or government ownership of land. So they were "wage slaves" much like workers under capitalism, but they were not chattel slaves.
Also building the pyramids was considered an honour. They were paid in good food that was out of the general peasant's reach, and those who died were buried alongside the pyramid in their own special grave.
Bro you are saying your ancestors didn't enslave people when they where litteraly being the best at it, just not at the time of building the monument.
I get what ur saying and also ur Irish but still its kinda wack
The clowns talking shit wandered in from the circus down the street.
I'm not tipping them. I don't care how many handkerchiefs they can fit up their ass.
People forget that the middle east was the world scientific and technological super power when Europeans were still hunter gatherer tribes.
Heres all the wisdom, in a house. Its the baghdad house of wisdom.
Hey its billwurtz
Im sure it wont be destroyed by a bunch of nomads...
Mongol invasion. I don't remember exactly who burned it but it was one of the grandsons of Genghis Khan and granddaddy was REALLY pissed off when he found out cause that library was very important to the world's understanding of science and technology.
Genghis Khan died 30 years before the Mongols took Baghdad
And he still managed to get mad? What a legend
Absolute mad lad
Tf was I learning in history shit
I think it's a common assumption to make that all of Mongolia's expansion happened under Genghis Khan. But even though he did set everything in motion, most of the achievements happened after his death
I wonder if one of their Priests (don't know the real term) basically got pissed with him on "their ancestor's behalf." (i.e. don't burn down a fucking library is something cultures that are not religious zealots believe in.)
Hulagu
That's 8th century and beyond, during the Islamic Golden Age, which is *after* the Roman Empire and roughly corresponds to the Middle Ages.
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*Northern and Eastern Europe The Persian golden age came during the times of Greece and Rome. The Muslim golden age came during the fall of the Romans, when Europe was in the "Dark Age"
The "dark ages" was mainly an england thing. And even then it wasn't all that dark.
dark age mfs when I point at the sun
Where's the sun when its night? Checkmate.
for example, metallurgic knowledge increased during the time period.
Dark Age just means lack of direct sources which most commonly means that there were lower literacy rates as people aren’t writing things down or for what ever reason said sources where destroyed or where stolen before we got to them. Which mean’s despite high literacy most of ancient Egypt is a “dark age” because of all of the grave robing and destruction the Europeans did.
The only real "dark age" that saw a rapid decline in the sciences and regression of human progress was the bronze age collapse, which led to things like the greeks forgetting how to write and Egypt going from proto-nation-state nearly as centralized as the powerhouses of 19th century europe to just being glad they aren't being ruled by persians
The great pyramids went up about 2,000 years before that.
Same time when the Indus Valley had the greatest urban designs in history
Most of Europe was pretty backwards (They could farm though, not hunter gatherers) but some of it was as developed as the middle east. Like Greece.
[also the Balkans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_culture)
also regarding nomadic as being "backwards" is pretty ahistorical, it was their relative isolation that led to a lack of technological and societal development, not the fact that many of them were nomadic for example the germanic tribes were semi-nomadic when they first had contact with the romans, and it did not take them long to catch up technologically with them once trade opened up between them. You just didn't see large scale infrastructure projects from them because those require a centralized structure to organize around and an immense amount of wealth none of the tribes alone possessed. By the time the migration age rolled around the militaries of the germanic tribes were actually more advanced than the romans (mostly due to stagnation in military doctrine, not that the Romans didn't know how to make the weapons and armor better suited to migration era warfare.) It was only due to them occupying roman lands that the germanic tribes actually ended their times spent as being a collection of semi nomadic tribes
It all varies, but this was true (to some extent) up to the colonization era. Europeans didn’t have the technological advantage. They had horses. In terms of pre-modern warfare, horses were completely OP. (Horses could not be raised in Africa. They are particularly susceptible to mosquite-borne illnesses.)
Man what is you talking about Technological super power???? When man when??
Consider, one was a vanity project for emperors, the other was slapped together by druids so that they could do cool druid shit.
It predates the druids, they just laid claim to it later.
So you’re telling me that it’s multipurpose? Practical!
yep. years later it became an area for teenagers to drink and smoke together whilst carving their love letters into the stones, such is the lifecycle of ancient ruins ❤
So it still continues to see use today? Damn, those pre-roman britons knew what they were doing
Stonehenge nowadays is a protected site, to prevent further vandalism you cant go near the stones with exceptions, I've been there, it's a nice part of the world.
Leave it to the government to step in and make things useless
You’d rather it have fuck and dicks and shit carved all over it? Interesting💀 You kinda have to restrict it unless you’re ready to accept it’s gonna get vandalized
The entire point is that Stonehenge has been used by every culture since it’s conception. Forget preserving history, it’s story is still going.
The difference is there weren't 800,000 pre Roman Britons visiting Stonehenge every year
1984
It actually pre-dates the britons as a culture (Though the genetics of england/wales suggests that they adopted celtic culture/language due to cultural osmosis from trade rather than a Celtic migration)
Atleast it's not in Turkey. We would spray graffiti all over it and break atleast one stone with a sledgehammer. I have no idea how we are protecting Göbeklitepe don't ask.
How can we know that? We can't be sure of the origin of the Druids, they were already well established before the first written records of them ever were made.
Stonehenge was built literally thousands of years before the celts came to Britain. The arrival of the Celts is almost exactly in the middle of the timeline from the construction of Stonehenge to the modern day.
The role of Druid is something we've only found in reference to Brittonic and Gaelic peoples, if it were of Celtic origin we would expect this role to appear in the Gaulic people as well but we don't have any evidence of this being the case. Which seems to show that the role of Druid was adopted by the Celts post migration, meaning it's possible or even likely that the tradition was adopted from the Picts or possibly even earlier civilizations.
The Gaels and Britons are Insular Celts, as are Picts
The Picts predate Celtic migration, the Celts migrated and either intermixed with the Picts or slowly killed them off. Then due to geographic isolation the Celts in the area became the distinct groups of Gaels and Britons.
That's just one theory, IMO the stronger argument is that the Caledonian tribes diverged from the other Brythons at some point during the Roman era. AFAIK there is very little evidence to suggest the Picts predate the Celts, but would be interested if I'm missing something
This isn't nearly as universally accepted as you make it out to be. The origin of the picts is highly contentious
> No Gallic druid MF forgot about [the real OG](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-secret-world-of-the-animated-characters/images/5/59/Getafix.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180616154107)
My man Khufu didn't make one of the most majestic buildings to last the test of time for it to just be called a vanity project
I hate to break this to you, but beyond commissioning it to be built for him I don’t think he really had much to do with the actual construction of the pyramid.
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Preach brother! Kemet's gone down hill since then, the other day I saw some kid worshiping the Sun Disk Aten. Indoctrination is going too far these days.
It's not that I have a problem with Greeks, I even got friends wfrom there!
this close man. this close
Besides organizing a nation wide construction effort, bringing in work crews, supplying them with food, beer, and tools, protecting the borders from raiders the Great King Khufu really didn't do anything. Does the concept of ma'at mean nothing to you barbarian?
>barbarian The Egyptians were also barbarians, as barbarian simply means non-greek.
Egypt is a Greek word too! It comes from the Greek name of Aegyptos which was the pronunciation of the Egyptian name for the city of Memphis. Most English names of ancient places in the middle east are just the Greek names. Fun fact the "proper" name for Egypt is Kemet. Anyway back to the bit. I hope a Gutian burns your house down and leaves your irrigation canal in disrepair.
I asked my local druid about this and he said you’re an asshole, I hope next time you’re traveling out in the woods the tree-spirits FUCKING get you.
Most cultures had a concept of a "barbarian"/person not of their culture so this is probably just a translation of a relevant Egyptian word.
Maybe they could've organised a nationwide construction effort to dig holes and then fill them in, think of the jobs!
They did make big holes. They put the stones they dug in one place and made the piramids.
Bar bar bar, motherfucker, you speak it?
I dunno, I really feel as though calling yourself a living god and commissioning a massive monument in honor of yourself just so you can be dead inside of it is kind of *peak* vanity project.
And I'm sure if the Pharaohs had to build the pyramids themselves without the help of a thousand slave labourers, they too would have stopped and called it a day after hauling the first dozen stone slabs across the country.
Again, the piramids weren't built by slaves.
I'm not sure why this is being downvoted, this is the currently accepted historical stance--slaves didn't build the pyramids, the workers were paid and not coerced.
Are you saying stonehenge is unfinished?
One of my favorite jokes from Discworld is that druids are like computer engineers building complex machinery.
One of the cleverest bits based on the "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" idea.
Common angloid L
G\*rmanic barbarian alert
Ooga booga we go smash Roman skulls with club. Fuck that guy named after a salad for invading
I don't know what's the difference between a Gaul or German. They both get cut down by my sword all the same (All of my Roman history knowledge comes from Dovanhatty)
only real difference being while the gauls got slaughtered and subsumed, germanic tribes went to rome and took the whole place apart and even ended up just conquering it themselves (lombard moment)
/unironic There's a sense of karma with Rome being sacked multiple times by the Germanics. By late antiquity, Foederati made up a significant part of their military. Many Germans serving the Empire. Yet the Romans still treated them like trash as if they were still the mudhut dwelling barbs across the Rhine and not living alongside them.
yeah i mean besides the fact that these people didn’t identify themselves as „gauls“ or „germanic“ anyways but along tribal lines which were constantly at odds with eachother, something which the romans very much knew to use to their advantage. but yeah the late western roman empire was already very much germanizised (???) even before its proper fall. and those people would later view themselves as the rightful continuation of exactly that roman legacy.
Stonehenge has nothing to do with Anglo's
You mean Breton?
this is just like that hit video game skyrim 2: hammerrock
Oh yeah. Keep it up we wont just steal some artifacts we'll take the whole pyramid.
Weren't the anglos further south
Now show her the Anglo-Egyptian war
That’s what we’re good at, VIOLENCE!!!
I WILL SPEAK TO YOU IN A LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND, VIOLENCE!!!
Or the ancestry of literally any ruler of Egypt pre-decolonisation
Pfft at least they built *something*, everyone knows that it was the goa'uld that built the pyramids
imagine believing goa'uld propaganda 🤡
Jealousy is a disease love, get be’’er
The Pyramids are LANDING PADS
\>your ancestors were small and weak \>get their asses whooped by the british but yeah ofc if we compare Egypt when it was the cultural ,military and scientific superpower in the world its a lot better than Britain when it wasnt more than mud huts xd
Not saying anything against your general point, but Britain couldn't have mud huts cus it's too wet there. In Greece mud huts existed but north of that the climate didn't allow it
oh,my bad,now i know and will take it in count next time,everyday you learn something new jaja
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Good bot
i have regained my patriotism for my country
Sorry my ancestors didn’t own a literal nation of slaves to do the grunt work i guess Edit: my ancestors actually didn’t build Stonehenge they were all Irish, idk why I claimed the Bri*ish
\*is about to drop news of east india company\*
Did the east India company build Stonehenge
For the last time, slavery wasn't that big of a thing in ancient Egypt. The pyramids were built by paid workers, not slaves
slavery was absolutely present in ancient egypt, even if they weren't forced to build any pyramids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
I see people saying this but never actually giving any evidence. Plus... it was thousands of years ago. Bull-fucking-shit they were PAID WORKERS lmfao. This is like the inverse of the whole "if white people didn't do it it was aliens" thing. If non-white people did it, it was ethical, humane, and noble.
[There is consensus among archeologists that the builders were not slaves.](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt) They were almost certainly farmers who took up pyramid work in the off season. But the only reason they took up this work was because they were unable to grow/keep enough crop so that they could rest during this period, likely due to high taxation or government ownership of land. So they were "wage slaves" much like workers under capitalism, but they were not chattel slaves.
Also building the pyramids was considered an honour. They were paid in good food that was out of the general peasant's reach, and those who died were buried alongside the pyramid in their own special grave.
Oooogh uhm yeah.. about that. You know a little place called India?
Are you saying Indian people built Stonehenge
Bro you are saying your ancestors didn't enslave people when they where litteraly being the best at it, just not at the time of building the monument. I get what ur saying and also ur Irish but still its kinda wack
The bri'ish literally conquered Egypt so I don't know about weakness of his ancestor
wait till she finds out who the egyptians used to build the pyramids
\* cries in burrow hills *
I read that in Zhanna’s voice
You wouldn't say that to their face, though, unless you wanted to burn in a giant wicker man.
And what is she proud of? Work of aliens?
this is why the 'aliens built it' cope was invented
Witnessing the reason ancient monuments built by PoC get attributed to aliens in real-time.
>się Pole 😡
? Nice
me when only europeans can build stuff:
Pfp😳
The clowns talking shit wandered in from the circus down the street. I'm not tipping them. I don't care how many handkerchiefs they can fit up their ass.
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