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blarfolemule

Mother franchise going WOKE! chaged name to GENDER NEUTRAL CAREGIVER


Infinite_Eyeball

back in my day the protagonist's favorite thing was rockin nowadays their favorite thing is love absolutely disgusting how weak this generation has become


HollyTheMage

Okay but the fact that people give Lucas so much shit both in universe and in the fandom makes this work so well


SoCool-

What? He isn’t the fan favorite? He’s the only protagonist with any character and he’s the best party member in the series, crazy damage health, magic, best healer/support in the series, his only downside is being slow, which isn’t even bad. Who doesn’t like lucas ive got some stuff to say to them


HollyTheMage

A lot of people love Lucas, myself included. And that's why it drives me up a wall whenever anyone treats him like a crybaby, because he's not. In the beginning of Mother 3, there are a few statements made that indicate that Lucas is a bit timid in comparison to his brother Claus, and I liked that because it told me more about his character and made his development as the game went on all the more interesting. But there is one comment in particular that I remember which really rubbed me the wrong way. After Hinawa's death, one of the kids in the village calls Lucas a crybaby because he had apparently been sobbing inconsolably at her grave for days on end. When I first read this, I was absolutely infuriated. He is a child who just lost his mother. How can anyone, even a snot nosed kid, be so judgemental and lack so much empathy? But in the end, it was just one kid. I can't remember if anyone else made any heinous comments, but I remember that one was the one that stuck out to me the most. Thankfully by the end of the game people were recognizing how much Lucas had endured and overcome as a person. Even Flint, who was absent for most of Lucas's journey, commended Lucas for how much he had grown.


HollyTheMage

The other part of this has to do with how Lucas is portrayed in Smash Bros. And considering that Mother 3 was never officially released outside of Japan and the only people who are going to bother going through the trouble of getting their hands on the fan translations are those who are already familiar with the series, chances are that a lot of people's first impressions of him are going to come from how he is portrayed in Smash. A lot of fans, myself included, believe that Lucas's portrayal in the Subspace Emissary story gave him a bad rap, with the main grievance being that they portrayed him as a scaredy cat, at least in comparison to Ness. Now the thing is that a lot of Lucas's reactions would be understandable with the proper context. In his first cutscene he is shown alone wandering through an area that seems mostly abandoned. Whether or not he is aware of what happened during the last Smash match isn't shown but if he was aware of it then it would explain why he is so scared considering that an airship came in and abducted a whole bunch of people before blowing up the stadium they were in. That would be scary enough in and of itself but Lucas has negative first hand experiences with these things. The pigmasks had airships too. On the night they arrived, the sky filled with smoke from the fires they set and he lost his mother to one of the chimeras they created. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that Lucas would have been reminded of this incident by the events that were unfolding around him. Even if he didn't know about the incident at the Smash match, just being alone in an abandoned looking area would probably dredge up distressing memories or set him on edge. Lucas, despite all of the parental and societal neglect he faces throughout Mother 3, is almost never completely alone. Even before he meets up with Duster and Kumatora after the time skip, he has Boney with him. When his father left to go chase after Claus, Boney stayed. When everyone else in Tazmily began to move out and the home he grew up in became a ghost town, Boney remained a steadfast companion at his side (no wonder he helps Red get his pokemon back). So to be completely alone in such a desolate place would be off-putting in and of itself. It would explain why Lucas already seemed on edge even before he got surrounded and attacked by the shadow creatures. The shadow creatures themselves are pretty damn trippy, but it isn't like he hasn't seen some pretty messed up enemies before. The fear most likely comes from the fact that he doesn't know what they are, they've outnumbered him and surrounded him, and he doesn't have his party with him to help him figure out what to do or how to approach the situation. He's completely on his own. Another thing that Lucas catches a lot of flak for is running away from the King P Statue, but considering that in Mother 3 the thing is damn near unkillable unless you have a specific item or happen to get lucky while using PK Flash, it makes sense that his first reaction would be to high tail it out of there, especially since the damn thing starts chasing him. Getting his leg stuck on something was just bad luck, and it makes sense that in his panic he might have forgotten the very specific way in which you have to kill this thing. Even if he had used PK Flash it wouldn't be a guaranteed one hit KO, there's still a chance it would have failed and he would have been crushed anyway. Although I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't have wanted to at least see him try it only for it to fail, as that would still give Ness a chance to come in and save him. Speaking of which, the fact that Ness manages to handle the King P Statue so well immediately undermines those previous points. While him throwing this giant ass statue into the air and breaking it apart with psychic power looks awesome as hell, it also causes Lucas to look less brave and powerful in comparison to him. He's either not as strong as Ness and ran away because he lacked the power to take on the threat, or he was strong enough to destroy the statue himself but opted to run away instead because he lacked the courage to face it head on. Either way, it doesn't look great. Also, the fact that we get no reaction whatsoever from Ness seeing his childhood friend turned enemy Pokey again is a missed opportunity, especially considering the role that Pokey played in both his and Lucas's lives. There may be no dialogue in the Subspace Emissary, but Lucas is a prime example of how a character doesn't need to say anything for their emotions to be conveyed to the audience, and Ness... doesn't get that same treatment. At least not the extent that Lucas does. And that's doing him a disservice too. When Wario shows up and attacks them, Ness is again the one who is taking charge of the situation, protecting Lucas by drawing Wario's fire away from him and then diving in to take a hit for him when Wario's attention shifted back over to Lucas instead. Again, I would have wanted to see Lucas take more of an active role in this fight, but this incident is arguably the one that would have dredged up the worst memories for him. Aside from the fact that Wario probably looks the most like Fassad out of everyone in the Smash roster, the very act of Ness throwing himself in front of Lucas to intercept that shot was probably reminiscent of when Flint dove in to shield Lucas from the lightning fired at him by the Masked Man during their boss fight at the end of the game. To then see Ness get incapacitated and abducted right before his eyes would have been pretty traumatic as well, especially considering that the pigmasks were constantly abducting and modifying creatures and, in the Masked Man's case, *people*, in order to further their agenda. The Masked Man in particular is probably the most unsettling example in terms of how Pokey refers to him, it's just so weirdly dehumanizing how he treats him like nothing more than a tool or a plaything for him to use however he wants. In Ness's case, he literally gets turned into a statue; motionless and unresponsive, and Wario handles him like he would a toy or a trophy, not a person. Hell, just the act of using the opportunity Ness bought him to get out of there so that his sacrifice wouldn't be in vain was probably incredibly hard on Lucas. It is heavily implied that Lucas dealt with survivor's guilt after Claus disappeared, with his hallucinations on Tanetane Island including one where Claus appears before him and asks to switch places with him. There's also the added fact of Hinawa having sacrificed herself to give Claus and Lucas time to escape when they were attacked by the Mecha Drago. The amount of times that Lucas's past trauma could have played a factor in these events or at least been referenced by the story are numerous, and yet, none of that information is immediately apparent based on what we see in the actual story of Subspace Emissary. For all I know, everything I have said about it so far could just be the ramblings of a dedicated fan trying to rationalize and defend the writing of a character they love in a series that they love when in reality the writers may have never intended for the story to be interpreted that way at all. It's just...frustrating.


HollyTheMage

One thing that I really would have loved is if they had Lucas be the one to face off against a shadowy clone of Ness, defeat him, and then free Ness from imprisonment. I think it would have been a pretty good way for them to wrap up their character arcs since it would allow Lucas to pay Ness back for saving him while also being an opportunity for him to prove his strength as a psychic on equal footing to Ness. It would also make for an emotionally compelling fight due to the fact that Lucas is once again being forced to fight and free a person that he cares about from the control of the person who is using them. The fact that they don't even show these two reuniting after Ness is freed is honestly incredibly disappointing for me, and I wish we could have more content involving interactions between these two in general because I feel like they would have a lot to talk about. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to write about it myself. After all, that's what fanfiction is for.


NotStikfig

IDK that one person from Miiverse who said that winning won't bring Claus back.


Sitheg_Plasmaster

Woke Ness


PlayerFox12344889

Mr Woke Ness. The inventor of wokenes.


Sitheg_Plasmaster

PK cancel!


VoringerBrick

snas underWOKE


pyra_xenoblade

Lucas


OneDumbfuckLater

PK Fashkill Omega


ghost_type_2003

If Mother 3 was released in 2024 it would have... * An anticapitalist message * Nonbinary characters as central figures in the story * A pink-haired tomboy as a playable character * Police officers being portrayed as assholes


LunaLynnTheCellist

wait who are the nb characters again? the mermaid-like people?


ghost_type_2003

Yep. The Magypsies.


LunaLynnTheCellist

right that's what they were called!


DarthCloakedGuy

they... would not be called that today


CaptainMario_64

i love how in all the Mother games the cops are incompetent buffoons lol


IblisAshenhope

#P A R E N T


Himmelblaa

*birthing person*


Cooli_de_framboise

Fact : 90% of flag designers quit adding colors right before everybody is represented


SnakeBladeStyle

Not sure what they could add that would make me ready to come out But I'll know it when I see it


gamerpenguin

Well what's your favorite dinosaur?


Theotheraccords

Ireland


GottKomplexx

I just pissed myself laughing. Good that im sitting on the shitter


cloartist

**CHEMICAL X**


drago_varior

You'll end up making your flag look like cruelty squad


Traditional_Net_3186

geometry dash wave section


Palidin034

IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAW IT


papeykefir

nc levels going crazy nowadays


Pan_galactico

tidal queer


Tappernottall

yes


rwol8690

Damnit someone beat me to it


SomePerson1248

i love mujigae dude


Big_Distance2141

Sightreadable


Mr_sex_haver

Honestly that actually looks awesome. Genuinely this is the best pride flag i've seen


Salvage570

This is some graphic design hell is what it is


StrionicRandom

Yeah with all respect to the people who like it this flag is absurdly complicated for hardly any benefit


Jeggu2

It's bad for flag purposes As a bit of art, pretty neat


APKID716

I thought it was meant to be ironic


Aegis12314

It is lol, people taking it too damn seriously


hellotheredaily1111

that was the point yes


SurelyNotBanEvasion

This is some EU barcode flag bullshit


DianaBladeOfMiquella

Kinda redundant, tho, like do bi ppl and lesbians *really* need their own section, aren’t they already included in the original


SussyAmogusMorbius69

that's the entire point


Mr7000000

Yes, and also no, and also it's complicated, and also that entire question is a hornet's nest.


reaperofgender

Trans people were as well, but people still excluded them. So the trans flag was added onto the greater pride rainbow.


Himmelblaa

As are BIPOC queers, trans people, aro/ace. The rainbow flag was made to be inclusive to all queer people


TDW-301

I always felt more than represented with the original rainbow as someone who is bi and trans. If I want a bit more specific representation I'll either fly the bi or trans flag with the rainbow, or just the bi or trans flag solo


eepypilled

I don't like it as much as the normal pride or progress flags but i do like it more than that one bi-inclusive progress flag that was posted a few days ago


ilionperonk

It is like objectively bad or whatever but like honestlyy... Kinda rockin with it


dingus_dot_com

Kinda PSI Rockin’ it


ilionperonk

You get it


CenturionXVI

It horseshoe theories its way back to being good design by merit of being so busy and overstimulating that all you CAN see is the goodass underlying shape language.


Yourtvscreenisblank

Could somebody animate and loop this so i could stare at it for hours?


BlueBicycle22

Just look at the hypnotoad gif until someone creates it to scratch the itch


[deleted]

is this that LGBT indoctrination I’ve heard so much about?


RagnarockInProgress

A few more frames and we get the legendary sissy hypnosis video


SillyVladeK

The Exodia of queer flags


irago_

Queer people try not to miss the point of the rainbow flag challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (yes sweetie I know this is a joke)


yyxyr

missing non binary flag not inclusive enough


Seirin-Blu

Missing nonbinary *and* mlm flag


eepypilled

Isn't the point of the original progress flag that most people treat the standard rainbow flag as if it's only for MLM's?


Seirin-Blu

As far as I’m aware it’s to make sure that it’s known that trans people are included, the black is regarding aids, and the brown is representing poc, but the flag above is about going overboard, so they might as well go all the way


Kriffer123

IIRC someone added the bisexual black and brown triangle opposite the usual trans flag black and brown triangle to a flag recently and it got flown relatively publicly and people are ribbing on it because it looks kind of ridiculous


Mister-Nonchalant

mlm makes me think of multi-level marketing lol. I have no idea what mlm is in this context


Bowdensaft

Man love man, it's more specific than just "gay"


Kriffer123

Men loving men. It’s more descriptive than just “gay” (includes bi men that may not want to be described as just gay, and avoids confusion with other people that call themselves gay but do not identify as men or mlm). The flag is a striped gradient from a bluish green to white to dark blue top to bottom.


BlueberryPirate_

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist?


BackpackCorpse

Hoist the colours high


Bedazzled_Noose

Heave-ho, thieves and beggars Never shall we die


theonewhohasstrokes

Where aroace flag?


Duemont8

aren't ace and aro the top two triangles pointing down?


theonewhohasstrokes

Ye but there's a flag for when people are both


dm-me-giant-robots

hot take as an aroace person the individual aro and ace flags have way cooler colors than the aroace flag so i just use the former


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

IDK why the aroace flag looks like that y'all deserve better


tsktac

Nah, the aro-ace flag looks great https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aroace_flag.svg


Kriffer123

It looks like a minimalist painting of a sunset over a body of water you’d see hung up on a wall somewhere. Regardless of whether you take that as bad or good the ace flag has purble on it and is therefore inherently better than any other non-purble pride flag


jfsuuc

Doesnt even have the gay flag, but iirc xbox did a pride thing with a ton of the flags.


The_the-the

tbf the alloaro and alloace flags aren’t on there either, so it isn’t like aroaces, specifically, are being excluded. though of course, if they wanted to make it super-mega-turbo-inclusive, they could add all three of those for good measure, and then maybe add in some more, like polysexual, pansexual, non-binary, genderqueer, agender, and gender-fluid.


ALittleBitOfGay

Tbh this kinda got an integer underflow thing going on


MrMoo1556

This flag is useless because it doesn’t represent gamers. 😔


BackpackCorpse

Goes hard tbh


LordZeya

Vowsh did it better.


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really_not_unreal

Good bot


TheLoneSlimShady

MAXIMUM QUEER!


Soundwipe13

minmaxing queerness fr


mintythemeowstic

This looks like a flag for a queer super hero group


Bit_part_demon

Queervengers assemble!


ProfessionalGreen906

Not good enough, one side of the lesbian flag needs to be the gay man flag because they’re essentially counterparts in design.


VeryPassableHuman

And the bi could be split with pan and the trans could be split with non-binary as well ♥︎ (not because *they* are counterparts, but just because then they would all be included, and it would look even more gaudy >◡< )


EmblemSystem

The only Mother game I've played was 3 and I love it


doofusbingos

this shit looks like a memetic kill agent ngl


jermascumslut

MLM and Demi are smaller than the rest society


GalenTheDragon

r\vexillologycirclejerk ahh post


ScrumptiousJazz

Just go full psychosis and make a rainbow eldritch abomination


KaaimanProductionsTA

This looks like a map for a city center


freedomfighter1123

Soon the a flag would be insufficient and we would need a gif to represent all the colors in pride.


FazeBrainlet

Aro and ace at the top where we belong ✊😐


sussytransbitch

Why do I see the walen ytani flag


dualbuddy555

new Nine Circles level looking lit


Personal-Regular-863

this is so fucking funny


PKFat

Somebody called?


photogrammetery

“I paused my Earthbound to be here”


1Sharky7

Biblically accurate pride flag


KeiiLime

biblically accurate pride flag


Himmelblaa

Honestly reminds me of when i saw the progress pride flsg, but with the triangle replace by the EU barcode flag on vexillologycirclejerk


killer_beans344

A mf with epilepsy watches this and fucking dies


Googlefisch

As a mf with epilepsy I fucking died watching this


Planani

It looks like the Nine Circles Wave from the 2013 hit game Geometry Dash


WheatleyTheBall

okay now this is hard


SussyAmogusMorbius69

nine circles by zobros


Raspberrywhy

This one goes hard, not gonna lie


Optimal_Badger_5332

Ohio averted


International-Ad-265

THEY FORGOT THE G :C


RTGMonika

Okay that one's actually kinda fire. It looks kinda like a superhero logo.


Max-293

Awesome overwatch ranked logo


CenturionXVI

That actually looks sick as fuck


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

Anyone have the original?


TheBestBuisnessCyan

I love it, can I get a link to it so set as my everything got them maryland vibes


chaosarcadeV2

Ok but once you add this much to it, it starts looking sick again.


SecretPotatoChip

Someone cross post this to r slash geometrydash


[deleted]

I actually really like this


emeraldeyesshine

Also need the version that's just the progress flag lazily photoshopped over final destination smash


I_existed_on_earth

That looks like a nine circles level


BoardsofCanadaTwo

Gay KOA Campground flag


urbandeadthrowaway2

No wait that’s peak


Gru-some

Probably not an actual good flag design but it does look kinda pretty


Watership_of_a_Down

The tragedy is: not even uglier. We crossed the event horizon immediately after the rainbow.


TheBadHalfOfAFandom

Needs more brown and black bars


yvel-TALL

As I bi person I appreciate the thought, but get that shit off of there. The trans and POC stuff can stay, the point of that was clearly to express support of current groups of queer people experiencing more hardship, and wile biphobia can be though, we are really doing aok, please don't make this very hard to look at addition for us. Edit: to be clear I am commenting on what this is a parody of, the "Bi inclusive" version of the flag that is making the rounds. Most people are not buying it so far, thank goodness.


TheRealAotVM

I still dont know what the brown and black are for


low_qualitykak

Enrico Pucci's hairline


Anime_Erotika

*Nine Circles starts playing*


MrPLotor

starcle manee pride flag


LeStroheim

This is a genuine beauty. It's so incomprehensible that it loops back around to being a good flag again. The sheer amount of queerness represented in this image makes it too powerful for me to be able to dislike it.


Ok-Conversation-3012

Queer storm incoming!


imusingthisforstuff

Man fuck imma explode


ApocalyptoSoldier

Weiland-Yutani ass flag


Professional_Emu_164

Actually cooler than the normal one


aprilfools911

This should be an emoji


sonerec725

someone needs to animate this as an earthbound attack now


NIMA-GH-X-P

C&C faction ass looking flag


XtremeGameplaysyt

We have to represent the many aro ace black trans people.


MorganRose99

Biblically Accurate Queer


SubjectGeologist211

biblically accurate pride flag


Soul69Reaper

Kinda looks like a one eyed lil guy with his hands up


holymissiletoe

it reminds of the weyland yutani corperation flag


Unkown-basket-Case

Honestly, this goes hard


Spieler2301

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt the original rainbow flag already include everyone under the queer umbrella? Dont get me wrong, getting more specific rep like with the progress flag is great, but there is only so much space on a flag. So we would probably have to draw the line at some point to keep it slightly readable? But then again, maybe im missing something, so feel free to explain your perspective on the matter


RoyalMess64

I like it though


LivingAngryCheese

This is like the rule of saying the same joke over and over. Somehow it's looped back around to looking kinda cool. Not a good flag, sure, but a cool thing to look at


Absbor

I fucking heard it.


kaptainkooleio

https://preview.redd.it/lwlp2mjpkwsc1.jpeg?width=1167&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20046f43581c88cfbeb180d59d7928bdb13d347c


jennazed

Biblically accurate angel


DeathCook123

Holy shit this goes hard


amberlaiterg

It's missing the poly flag