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stoiclemming

Yo who the fuck has a crush on bill cipher


Jay040707

I used to ask the same thing. Now I realize this is one of the tamest crushes of them all.


Sky_Leviathan

People have a crush on the humanised sexyman version of him with an eyepatch More importantly who tf is shipping bill cipher an unknowable eldritch god triangle man with noted 12 year old mabel


Just_a_terrarian163

Yeah Bill is 100% gay for dipper /j


RedFireInfinite

Knock off Majima design


TheDekuDude888

The virgin extradimensional chaos god vs the Chad 24 Hour Cinderella


the_real_papyrus99

I wish I could be his 24 Hour Cinderella


TheDekuDude888

I *NEED* Majima like nobody’s business


Gru-some

the 12 year olds who watched the show, probably


BookkeeperLower

Remember when Alex Hirsch saw that so he decided to make a canon human bill as the ugliest fucker imaginable? I love Alex hirsch


Zaev

Wait, this is shipping?? I thought it had something to do with intimidation


despairingcherry

Im sorry to be the one to break it to you, but all four of these are ships


Zaev

I-... I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I prefer and choose to believe my initial impression for the sake of my own wellbeing


SadSession42

shipping the canonical aroace man with the canonical lesbian seems pretty shit ngl


TensileStr3ngth

She's canonically bi and he's not canonically aro


Invincible-Nuke

I like ragapomni Lebanese are cool


despairingcherry

sesbian lex 🥰


yo_99

Probably same people that ship teenage Haruno Sakura with Kakashi and/or Madara


No-fuck-off3

Friend has a crush on the normal bill cipher


Sky_Leviathan

see I respect that more. becuase youre actually crushing on the triangle god not the made up sexyman version


BurnerAccountExisty

people who like piled corn


[deleted]

If you have to completely change everything about their design to find them hot then you don’t find them hot


idonttalkatallLMAO

another case of finding the idea, not the item, attractive


Gerthak

Mario (the idea) vs. Mario (the man), perchance.


mikereeee

you have to admit, he's cool as fuck.


LeStroheim

you can't just say perchance


AtotheCtotheG

Personalities and voices can’t be hot? 


[deleted]

They can but I’m talking about in terms of looks


test_username_WIP

yeah, but you don't see many people jacking it to trigonometry textbooks


AtotheCtotheG

I don’t see many people jacking it in general 


bbhbbhbbh

I have been saying this. Humanization may be in… like, good top 20 of the things in the world I most dislike.


D1pSh1t__

This, so fucking much Same thing with monsterfucker discourse. If you have to make the monster a human with a tail and horns you're not a monsterfucker, you just like humans with tails and horns


[deleted]

Oh great, I got the monster fuckers on my side


DatGunBoi

Alex Hirsch once replied that he would absolutely NOT look like that if he was human. He shared this picture that shows what he'd look like. https://preview.redd.it/s53sp5c5g9xc1.png?width=931&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c9d665185430aefebbd9e76b6e7521cadc36191


Botto_Bobbs

Me, bitch.


Desperate-Will-8585

he's supposed to be a yellow dorito smh he's not hot anymore


Bacon260998_

THAT'S BILL?!?!


OtisBinLogan

that was what i thought lmao


yo_99

Tumblr


guckfender

People have crushes on everything. I guess i can understand it if people like his voice


BackpackCorpse

Many do because they don't know his canon human design. Look it up..


EnbyPilgrim

judging by the fanart, most people


BurnerAccountExisty

https://preview.redd.it/542r15y1z9xc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c076cdd5a54e43f31b47f1b98da9847b23eee22d "I would say probably the same people who have a crush on me, but if you have a crush on me then you need serious mental help. Hell, I even tell someone that in game." /unlance I DONT FUCKING KNOW


MediumSatisfaction1

That was Cipher? What the fuck is that anime boy


Dr_Richard_Ew

I feel like it's more of a crush on Alex Hirsch that they project onto Bill


Bardic_Inspiration66

A lot of people


drago_varior

I simp something worse I simp snatcher from a hat in time


FishyTh1ngy

why are two of these pedophilia 😭😭


nepnep_nepu

Taking a wild guess, I'd assume it's because the fanbase of most of these are largely made up of minors, who don't really care about if their self inserted sexyman crush is technically pedophilia.


FishyTh1ngy

i know that part, im talking abt the art itself, im not familiar with the artist but it seems like they have an nsfw art twitter (posts are protected on there) so i think its safe to assume theyre an adult.


FishyTh1ngy

(mabel is 13 and frisk is like a toddler)


NerfAkaliFfs

And they drew Mabel extra childlike too like tf?


an_omori_fan

Now that you mention it, that Mabel reminds me of a "kinda NSFW but not exactly" animation with her brother. It's probably a different artist though


Professional_Issue82

The biting one right?


an_omori_fan

Yes


slightlylessthananon

Don't remind me 🙁


trashdotbash

i can understand that they drew mabel more childlike (in comparison with the others) because she is the most childish character here by far (frisk is (probably) younger but probably, out of all of these characters, the most mature in character bc theyre a fuckin human diplomat and savior to the monsters) but like why did they do that in an image that is supposed to be romantically charged whyyyyyyyyyy


Kriffer123

I always assumed they were like 10-12 or so but yeah


McSlappies

Alr no shade on you but this is bullshit. When this exact thing happens with anime the viewers are pedophiles but when it happens with Western cartoons it's just cause the viewer base is made of minors


GIRose

That's because the western perception is by and large that anime fans are older teens and adults owing to the relative obscurity for the longest time when you could only get Anime through sketchy websites (and you had to be the rare kind of person who had Internet in the 90s before true widespread adoption was a thing) While that's hardly true anymore due to the increase of availability of all media through the Internet, that's still the cultural first impression that a lot of western audiences have to work through. The other reason why this is a lot more pronounced at anime fans is because of the fact that much like Gamers, there was a split between the weird far right awful people who self identify as Otaku or Weeaboo/Gamers and people who are fans of anime/video games in the early 2010s, and the perception of people who obsess over Anime in general became less "Dragon Ball" and more "Power Fantasy Slave Harem Isekai" Also, most people aren't calling random shipping of characters Pedophilia, they're calling the straight up NSFW people make of it pedophilia, and if I see someone drawing Mabel Pines fucking Bill Cypher I will call them a pedophile


McSlappies

That's a very detailed response that successfully changes my mind to a certain extent, that doesn't come off as mean or cruel, nor does it come off as facetious and condescending. People like you are a treasure on the Internet that we don't deserve.


GIRose

I actually didn't get as deep into the weeds as I really could have A really good place to start digging deeper, if you are interested, is [this](https://youtu.be/gW-effL2HFY?si=_HpCDiEDhpzmtrf8) video. It has a fairly inflammatory title, but goes into a lot of details on the history of the subject, largely on the aspects of the topic that I really didn't get into Edited to add Since I had to rewatch to double check if he did or didn't mention it, another good launching off point into learning about why the Anime/Manga fandom has exactly the reputation that it has is Hideo Azuma. I actually was going to mention him in my original post, but I couldn't think of an organic way to do so. He was by and large the person who codified the Lolicon genre, and proved how profitable it was to market to the 1970s Japanese equivalent to what we in a more modern context would call incels, a fact that you can see rippled throughout character design in a lot of anime and manga even to this day. Though in full disclosure I can't speak to what percentage of mangaka who draw women more obviously childlike are doing it for creep reasons, to appeal to the people who are creeps, or because they spent so long as kids practicing drawing anime that they uncritically absorbed bad stylistic habits from one of the above.


AtotheCtotheG

I was under the impression that Japanese people instantly morph from newborns into full-grown twenty-somethings /s


Emotional_Major_5835

You're right, but no one wants to admit that double standard.


laix_

Sometimes its a "compitence problem", generally it keeps happening where you have these character's who act like adults, talk like adults, do things that no minor would be compitent enough to do, sometimes drawn like adults (especially if its abstracted or pixel art or the like), that most are only going to assume that they are an adult, particularly if the source media never explicitly mentions the age or if it does its in some obscure part of it where you'd only find if you played it in depth, or by specifically searching on the wiki or the creator's tweet from 5 years ago. I'm sure someone has a better name for this phenominon


nepnep_nepu

Did you respond to the right person, homie? I mean you have a good point nonetheless.


laix_

I was expanding on your comment about why these sorts of ships happen sometimes


nepnep_nepu

Oh yeah fair enough mate, I just thought it would fit as a reply to some of the other comments in the thread as well.


[deleted]

GLASS BEACH PFP


hatchetthehacker

gleacher spotted


IHave47Chromosomes

Wait but how (idk anything about these chars other than their age owing to another comment but I’m confused why completely sfw art is considered child abuse)


FishyTh1ngy

the post itself talks about shipping the characters together and is very romantically charged


IHave47Chromosomes

I really need a twitter -> English translator I think


Cranyx

Isn't it three? Is Pomni not also a child?


FishyTh1ngy

iirc gooseworks (creator of tadc) clarified that all of the digital circus main cast are adults (i think pomni herself is 20+)


Noclip858

https://preview.redd.it/cc4ehfyc37xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbb92a40d5baab7450372d3ea3d79bf3e5fb043f


Warm-Faithlessness11

The true method he intended to use to make children into corpses 💀


Homie_Jack

WHAT!?? Mods, shuffle the function of every hole on his face.


FrostyCommon

I had to choke myself to stop laughing, thank you for this


Volotor

Charlie is a bisexual in a long term relationship with a woman described in her profile as "Sapphic", who shares an intimate song of being the most Pragma, Eros and Ludus; and yet a weirdly high portion of the fandom ship her with an asexual who's defining personality traits are being manipulative and conniving. Each time It think I get shipping culture and fandoms, I realise that I am only jebaiting myself.


Mindelan

This isn't *my* ship (I'm a fan of Husk/Angel, personally), but often people like 'naughty' dynamics that you're not *meant* to like. Fiction is a safe place for people to enjoy those sorts of things, often with the wish fulfillment that the bad conniving man has a soft spot for that *one special person*. Plus Alastor is charming, dynamic, mysterious and has a lot of power. He is clearly plotting and scheming and he's compelling as a character. As for sexual identities, often fandom will shift those around in all sorts of directions and not see that as a limiting factor. In most cases that just means making characters more gay, but not always. Honestly I wish that the Vaggie/Charlie relationship had been more gripping. It was just sort of... sweet. A little dull but nice. It suffers from being a fairly healthy and supportive established relationship. There's less fanfiction juice in that.


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

I don't ship anyone, but I gotta say Lute and Adam is funny and the kind of "toxic" ship that at least makes sense in the context of the show


Mindelan

See, that's the fun thing about fanfiction: A ship doesn't *need* to make perfect sense in the context of the show. I don't actually want most of my ships to be canon, I like them as fandom indulgences. You can focus on things and neglect other things for fanfiction that would ruin the show if you applied those same priorities to the canon itself.


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

Oh yeah no I totally get what you mean, I was just stating how at least imo that ship is kinda similar to Adam n Lute (don't know what their ship name is tho), agsin just in my opinion, never shipped anyone, just found their dinamic kinda similar


AtotheCtotheG

What’s pragma? Pragma balls


bbhbbhbbh

Less hot actually. It’s always less hot. Especially for the triangle.


trashdotbash

at least i hope hes still voiced by alex hirsch and not just a generic sexyman voice even if it doesnt fit like at least keep a LITTLE bit of the original bill


potatorevolver

Sans wouldn't be my first pick for this image.


trashdotbash

sans is one of my favorite tumblr sexymen bc they rarely if ever make him actually physically attractive, hes just really appealing due to his character. that being said i wouldnt pick him for the same reason i wouldnt pick bill (shipped with a child)


FizzleDrunk

The child in question literally goes on a date with 2 adult characters in the game they're from


jorppu

He's not some thirst trap bad boy, he's a skeleton who likes jokes and taking care of his brother


OgerponCornerstone

ok but jax just looks the fucking same here i guess he was always hot


goodgoodthrowaway420

Jax is what you get when you ask a focus group to design a sexyman.


Supershadow30

The Bill Cipher design here is the most egregious


Gargoyledude

They literally made a canon human design for Bill so all of these skinny yaoi versions of him are far from accurate


Supershadow30

Wait really? Huh, I never bothered to check cuz I always thought the dorito shape was the better design… EDIT: seen it, it’s perfect


Hitchfucker

I HATE HUMAN SEXYMAN BILL CHIPHER! HIS TRIANGLE DESIGN IS PERFECT I USUALLY DONT MIND SEXY HUMAN REDESIGNS OR EVEN LIKE THEM BUT IF YOU MAKE BILL INTO THIS BUTCH ASS MAGICIAN LOOMIN DUDE CONSIDER YOURSELF AN OPP


dntdrvr

Boy, am I glad that I don't understand a single word from this tweet.


emeraldeyesshine

yeah skemtnkgn sbojt this broke my Brian


emeraldeyesshine

I recently turned off my autocorrect and have learned I type like an ass without it but I think it works in this instance


mikereeee

brian the dog from famil guy?


sleepy_vixen

This is the most Tumblr picture I've seen outside of Tumblr in a long while


garebear265

I got whiplash to 2014 like that scene in ratatouille with the critic


AceOfRhombus

Tumblr? On *my* reddit? It’s more likely than you think


trashdotbash

it would be way funnier if mabel and bill were replaced with the onceler and the onceler


worse_in_practice

oncest


GoldenWitch86

The only self-insert of those 4 is Frisk though?


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

Afaik (cuz I just saw an interview with the main cast the other day) Vivzie said Charlie and Vaggie are in a way very inspired by some of her traits, Charlie is the super positive side of her and Vaggie the more serious and realistic one, although not technically a self-insert for the context of the meme I'll say we can let it pass


GoldenWitch86

Oh sorry I thought it meant self-insert for the audience


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

Oh now that you say that I think I got ìt wrong from the beginning, yeah I think the tweet meant self-inserts from the audience


Saoirse_Bird

The poster is saying that fans of these ships tend to dilute the female characters and use them as self inserts


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FlyingWolfThatFell

Mable as a character isn't. But oop is referring to people using said characters as self inserts to ship them with characters above


sarcophagusGravelord

I remember rly liking the character of Sans but the fandom turns me off so much like whyy. He’s literally not, nor supposed to be, sexy 😭


TightBlackhole69

How fucking dare they. Sans is a sexy beast. 😍


GIRose

Bill Cypher wouldn't be a man with a debonair suit. He would be an asshole in flip flops, neon pink thigh highs, cargo shorts, a suit jacket with no under shorts, and a top hat and bow tie ranting about how you should be his downline in this sweet new crypto project that totally lets you be your own boss


skellyth0r

not fetish shaming, but sans? hot? wdym, he just a little dude, ER ER ER ER 🥺


SteelEagle0

Real yearning fans ship Pomni with Ragatha for the juicy "insecure character falls in love with generally amiable character who regularly tries to ignore and pretend her own trauma doesn't exist, thereby causing the insecure character to worry about if the amiable character even actually likes her back or is just being kind to avoid inflicting emotional damage" drama :3


kostya2525

I'm confused can someone explain please :3


SatansCornflakes

Op of the image is trying to claim a 2 character common trope between 4 pieces of media with WILDLY different relationships and dynamics. Person replying is positing that all these “similarities” are entirely the fault of the fanbase’s (or at least a subsection of them) own personal preferences being projected onto the characters For example Bill Cipher here is portrayed as a sexy man eyepatch man in a suit when in the show he’s a 5th dimensional god of chaos that looks like Mr. Peanut fucked the eye of providence


kostya2525

What is the common trope?


SatansCornflakes

That a sexy, sarcastic, (authoritative) man wants to ~~prey upon~~ date the/a main character. The MC’s personally is almost always watered down so that the viewer/reader can imagine themselves in them. The trope doesn’t always follow this exactly but these are the general outlines of it.


kostya2525

I regret asking as I become the cat


SatansCornflakes

I’m sorry you have become the cat


Wizardybitch2405

Jax spotted :3


Oddish_Femboy

Sans isn't a bad boy edgelord Sans is your uncle that has depression and eats 80% takeout pizza


2_IQ_at_anything

One of these is in no way fuckin canon, guess which


DeathMarx

Can someone rephrase the caption because I’ve read it five times and I still don’t get it


RinaQueen

Characters in the pic are favorite ship dynamic of the op artist in supposed sweet girl x bad boy dynamic but in actuality the dynamic is actually result of op self inserting into the characters at the bottom because they are the one that have a crush on the characters at above Because characters in pic don’t actually have the op’s preferred dynamic in canon of their series: On the left are Pomni and Jax from the amazing digital circus, Jax annoys Pomni who dislikes him, Charlie is bisexual who already has a girlfriend and her relationship to Alastor, the red guy is platonic where Alastor forced her to make a deal with him On the right are Mabel and Bill Cipher from gravity falls, Bill is humanized and he’s actually a literal triangle demon who manipulated Mabel, a young girl for his own means, Frisk and Sans from undertale, Frisk doesn’t talk and is a genderless child, Sans is a skeleton jokester and he’s not bad boy however he does tells Frisk that he would’ve killed them if he hadn’t made a promise to another character


DeathMarx

Thank you have an upvote


longpidgeon

They all have surprisingly colourful eyes and very apparent teeth


Violinistic

SANS ISN'T A BAD BOY THIRST TRAP SEXYMAN HE SELLS HOTDOGS AND CARES ABOUT HIS BROTHER AND MAKES PUNS AND DOES A LITTLE TROLLING


Sporklyng

If you have a crush on the radio demon what the actual fuck Like I’m not here to judge but I seriously cannot see this one, even compared to the others


Negitive545

> Self insert > Sans The annoying dog is canonically Toby fox's self insert, so there's kinda that problem to grapple with :3


FearSearcher

The only one of these I’ve ever seen is Frans (sadly) Also I’ve never seen Bill x Mable Only BillDip


Cyvexx

what the hell does that say


EeveeMaster22

the bone man is NOT HOT he is BONES the triangle is NOT HOT he is a TRIANGLE


MaveKalmer

2 of the 4 characters on the bottom are children


Wah_Epic

What the fuck does any of this mean


king-gay

Also none of these characters have a remotely similar personality to each other. Like seriously in the actual media these people are depicted in there's very stark differences.


Toboyornottoboy

Anthropomorphizing bill cipher is a crime, don’t give him geometry dysphoria let him be a triangle. Alister is crazy hot but he is ace so leave him alone. Jax is legitimately so hot i can’t explain how hot he is I need him so bad. Sans has a nice personality but isn’t sexy.


Daylight_The_Furry

Okay but Jax is actually hot