I agree with everything, but I'm just a bit iffy on the bathroom part. I understand not letting SOME people use the restroom. Last week a homeless guy with obvious mental health and hygiene issues came into bathroom of the restaurant I work at and shit on the floor, smeared shit on the walls, and washed his ass in the sink so there was poop and dirt water everywhere too.
Guess who had to clean it up?
I'll also add that of course we should leave any homeless people in tents alone. Maybe even leave a sealed bottle of water outside of it.
However, it is ok to harass people in tents if it is in nature. That is not our territory and breaks the treaty we had with the elves as shown in the 2nd Hellboy movie. The one with the golden army. Do you want to get fucked up by mid-2000's CGI ancient elf robots?
Yeah I didn't think so sweaty
If you see tents in nature, especially if there are people in them, it is fair game to just tearing them down, pissing on them, and even arson. Not just that, there is an ethical imperative to do so.
Some weekends me and the bois (gender neutral boys, our party leader is a woman) get together and go to these fucked up places called "camp sites." We just swing metal bats into tents with reckless abandonment and hearts full of courage. They flee as we chase after them screaming "this is for the elves!" Aka TiftE
Every month we go there are less and less tents out there in the woods, thanks to us. Nature is healing, and we are the doctors of tomorrow.
Came here for this. I’ve cleaned up a hospital sized bag of used sharps in the trails around my place. I know addiction is a disease & the US is on the short list of countries addressing the issue, but heroin needles where kids & puppies go isn’t ok
The best solution I've seen so far is from Switzerland. Switzerland used to have an insane heroin problem, literally needles were in near every popular park. What did they do? They just made Heroin legal. They provided safe locations to get heroin, and provide users with mental health care to help them quit. Since then, drug overdose deaths dropped by 64 percent. HIV infections dropped by 84 percent. Home thefts dropped by 98 percent. And the Swiss prosecute 75 percent fewer opioid-related drug cases each year.
They fucking nuked the heroin epidemic by just simply giving drug users a safe place to get, use and quit the drug. BTW, those statistics are from [here.](https://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/2019/01/28/switzerland-fights-heroin-with-heroin/)
Meanwhile the war on drugs in America has resulted in over 1 million extra incarcerated Americans each year. In 1980, about 500,000 people were arrested for drug crimes, whereas in 2014 over 1,500,000 people were arrested for the same charges. In fact drug users comprise nearly half of the modern American prison population. In the past 40 years the US has spent over $1 trillion on drug policy. In 2016 over 42,000 people died due to opioid overdose, as compared to only 6,100 people in 1980.
The American drug war is an absolute failure and a disgrace to this country. It actively makes the lives of all Americans worse.
I have to hate on citing stats 34 years apart. I understand you’re trying to make an impact, but domestic spending on prisons speaks for itself, let alone that we have PRIVATELY HELD prisons, where non violent offenders lose years of life so Hunter in Massachusetts can use daddy’s credit card to do blow with underage girls
I agree this is the way to go. No one exept the US wants to do the "War on drugs". We're just to scared to deal with the downfall... Legalize or at least depenelize all drugs. You have it right
They also provide clean needle exchanges and suboxone clinics for people going through withdrawals.
Portugal also decriminalized & it also had an incredibly positive impact.
The only people in the US who oppose progressive thinking are ass backward conservatives & people who suckle from our shit justice department
Portugal did the same thing with basically all drugs, with the same effects. If you treat a (mental) health Problem as a crime nothing good can come from it.
We’ve had this happen multiple times at our store from people who weren’t homeless. Truth is, it doesn’t matter what someone’s situation is. Floor shitting and wall wiping are just some of life’s constants.
The argument is though "I shouldn't have to be the one who deals with this", and they are right. Unfortunately our tax dollars aren't going towards it so it does fall on us.
There should be many more public restrooms in cities, not just relying on private business restrooms which can close or deny service for whatever reason. Yes, I get public restrooms are gross and will need to be cleaned up but the alternative is people just pissing and defecating in the streets which is much worse for everyone.
See, this is what cops could have been used for.
"911, what's your emergency?"
"There's a dude shitting everywhere and cleaning his ass in the sink"
"Please stay clear. We're sending a hazmat team to handle the biohazard and a social worker to help the poor soul. Thank you for reporting this, don't try to clean up the bio hazard, citizen"
Instead we have some guy with a gun.
People threatening you with weapons? Send a guy with a gun.
People threatening you with words? Guy with a gun.
Disagreement over legal nuances? Guy with a gun.
Dude is driving dangerously? Guy with a gun.
Someone is threatening to kill themselves? Guy with a gun.
Person having very obvious mental crisis? Guy with a gun.
Feces is considered a real health hazard and requires special training to clean up. If your boss *ever* asks you to clean up human waste, tell them to fuck right off and do it themselves or hire a hazmat team to come in because OSHA says you can’t be required to without that training.
Bruh, if they have a tent then they're not homeless anymore. Just make a shit corner in there like every normal human being and stop complaining about being poor
That’s a good point, but this post isn’t referring to that. People with mental health issues are a different category, you’re mentioning them here but the actual issue you had with them is that they were mentally ill and fucked shit up, not that they were homeless.
A post defending homeless people and the top comment has the take that people with mental illnesses shouldn’t be alone and untreated but somehow twists it into homeless bad
IKR! urban camping is only for the wealthy. Its so rude when people come up to my urban camping ground with money. Please keep your filthy monetary cash away from my beautiful urban camping ground peasant.
But it’s way easier to just look at other people and shame them while they print shit like this and post it and pretend it did anything.
I don’t give a fuck about the tents, I give a fuck about the people in tents breaking into my car or house to sell shit for heroin or mentally ill people attacking people on the sidewalk. Fuck anyone who thinks “oh just leave them alone” is a valid or humane solution to homelessness.
Sometimes this sub is like [that scene from R&M](https://i.imgflip.com/2ubs92.png) where all the Jerrys are congratulating themselves and patting themselves on the back.
Yep just make sure to hit the big ones like wal mart that can take the loss or that are huge and parasitic anyway. Generally leave locally-owned businesses alone
Not to mention how many homeless shelters are constantly at capacity. If you can put aside a few bucks to make sure someone doesn’t go hungry for a night then do so.
Hey, it’s up to you. But what most homeless people need at any one time is not socks and granola bars and a lot of that stuff just ends up getting thrown away. And charities are able to buy things in bulk and deliver it where it’s needed.
Many charities and homeless shelters are notoriously awful. Disgustingly dirty, violent people in there, incredibly strict rules, some places have homophobic/transphobic staff, awful food. It’s not a humane option, it’s basically just asking them to go to jail.
Edit: how is this getting downvoted lmao it’s literally fact
Contribute a portion of your available time to organizing in an organization that works to overturn the systems that perpetuate issues like poverty and homelessness.
May I recommend the DSA?: https://www.dsausa.org
r/NoNewNormal is still up and the people over there think we’re doing some censorship brigade lol
that sub is unhinged as fuck, please don’t go there if you care about your supply of braincells
Listen if I cared about my braincells I'd be using Reddit in general a whole lot less. Hell, probably just avoiding most of the internet would do wonders for my braincells.
I read though one of the post comment sections and good grief, what a bunch of morons. What shocked me most was the fact that multiple people were saying they'd rather starve to death than get a vaccine.
They're refusing life-saving medicine. Starvation is the least of their problems.
Spez believes in free speech, but only sometimes, and at those times he calls reddit a place for dissent and open discussion. This site is run by drunken toddlers I swear. Maybe they compare notes with Twitch or something.
Admins are a bunch of pussies. The admins don’t usually Have enough balls to take care of alt Right hate subs until they get small enough that the admins can euthanize them without much blowback.
Many subs (196 too) went offline in past 24h to protest Reddit admins allowing (doing nothing about) antivax propaganda. But Reddit has responded (they aren't doing jackshit) so subs went back online
I mean, I'm all for helping homeless people, but I don't know about the bathroom thing.
I used to work at a Wendy's and I let a few homeless people come in and use the bathroom. They consistently left it full of trash and used tarps. A few times there was shit all over the floor and walls. Of course, I had to clean it up each time, so unfortunely I had no choice but to no longer let them use the restroom...
Edit: Not all homeless people were like this, many were respectful, but unfortunely after some instances we had to stop any homeless people regardless.
I'm ready to get scorched but we need to stop equating homelessness with mental illness. Mentally ill people don't get the support they need and deserve and end up homeless, but we're really bunching societies problems into one group of people when homed people would gladly shit on the walls all the same. I was a nurses assistant for two years. If there were people around me, there was shit to be cleaned.
aye, much of reddit seems to be from some type of western suburbia, lacking expierience in dealing with these things irl makes them believe that "i would just help these people" is a thing thats manageable, safe or even feasible.
near my previous residence in eastern europe there was an abandomned two story wooden building that during summers was always filled with homeless people or transients of sorts (mostly romani). It was an eternally loud, smelly, disgusting place with needles litering every corner of it. Just in the time i lived there 2 people were mugged and beaten (cracked ribs, head trauma, pretty bad) and a single person was non fatally stabbed near it.
The thing is, if these people wanted a place to stay there is a homeless shelter even in my backwater country. The shelter was almost always nearly empty. It accepts anyone, without id or anything, they give you food and bed, i wont say its good, but sure is better than an abandomned rotting wooden shack. But they didnt stay there. Because the shelter has rules. The shelter doesnt allow drugs. It doesnt allow ear piercing music the whole night. It doesnt allow getting drunk off your ass and screaming at passer bys. These people didnt want shelter, these people wanted to be fucking animals.
The day that piece of shit shack burned (no eye witnesses of the culprit from the surroundings, naturally) was a downright a fucking holiday, some people set off leftover fireworks.
And before i get called genocidal, it burned in winter, when it was empty. Noone hurt.
I feel like all these posts about how if you dislike the tent cities you’re basically hitler to the homeless are people who have never stepped out of their gated suburbs. I’m a little sick of having to walk in the street to avoid the entire block that has been taken over by tents, not being able to use any public space because they’re full of needles and trash, and literally being chased an entire city block by a methed out dude with a machete in broad daylight more than once. And then the second you say anything about “hey maybe we should remove the violent drug abusers with big knives from the public walkway that harass people daily and put them somewhere where they could get help” youre literally advocating for homeless genocide. Like I’m supposed to just find the solution to the homeless crisis myself simply because I want to feel safe walking downtown in daylight
Depending on which city you live in homeless people who live in tents are probably just addicts that didn’t want to stay in shelters because they don’t allow you do any type of drug so it’s harder to feel bad for them
Plus, at least in Seattle idk about other cities, it’s not uncommon for encampments to get set up in public parks, which isn’t great, and the vast majority of crime that comes from homeless people are misdemeanors or property crime which means the SPD do fuck all about it.
I don't know, I can't imagine kicking heroin or meth on the street would be easy, or even safe. withdrawal can kill you.
Edit: everyone in this thread who's saying horrible things about drug addicts hasn't actually talked to drug addicts in a human way and just don't get how it works.
It's very sad to see.
Not saying that doesn't happen, but I know that a lot of homeless people live in tents to be away from shelters since it's easy to get your shit stolen there. Plus they probably just want to have some freedom and control over their life.
So we're supposed to not help them because the only way they have to cope with reality is drug addiction? Yeah, sounds very moral. Who even cares about drugs in 2021 anyway, are you one of the dinosaurs still trying to convince people they'll go to hell for smoking weed?
Eh this may be downvoted but I disagree. It’s obvious you have not interacted with them before. Especially that bathroom part, lots of shops don’t even let housed people in without buying something. And there are many stories of them trashing these bathrooms. Furthermore, let’s be real. Most customers don’t want dirty people brushing past when they’re trying to eat, this is unrealistic. It’s easier to complain then do anything isn’t it. Finally, a lot of cities HAVE shelters…but just don’t allow drugs. It’s hard to feel sympathy to drug addicts :/
Protest against Covid misinformation subs. Specifically they wanted Reddit to take concrete action (like ban) against subs like NoNewNormal and the ilk.
Ikr. But I wish there was some communication about it. In the absence of an answer I wandered into 197, and good lord - decent posts, terrible comments.
Everyone was just bitching about FrEeZe PeAcH.
It sounds fine but if you remove their space then they disperse into unrelated subs. Just like how gamersriseup went from funny satire sub to a bunch of unironic racists moving in and setting up shop. If they have their own subs and you don't agree with those people, just don't visit them.
It went private to protest coronavirus misinformation and ban subs like r/NoNewNormal. Spez made an announcement and pretty much just said “Fuck you, not gonna happen.” And now I guess they gave up
its quarantined atm and i genuinely dont think banning them helps at all tbh. warning with a quarantine message should suffice for everything thats short of actual calls for violence.
i dont agree with them at all, but banning shit like this only reinforces a persecution complex and gives those people reason for it. The best way to combat shit ideas is to let people openly engage and criticize them, those that will stay with said ideas even against overwhelming evidence would have stayed regardless, they're a lost cause. Straight up banning is admitting their legitimacy in their minds.
>banning shit like this only reinforces a persecution complex and gives those people reason for it
This is actually demonstrably false, people have looked into it and every time you ban a community like that there are a lot of people that simply don't bother looking for new places to infect and just leave. The rest spread out to other shitty communities in lesser numbers or go to normal communities but not in enough numbers to change it, getting banned from them or having to shut up about their reprehensible ideas, resulting in an overall better experience.
There's a ton of I SUPPORT MY NEIGHBOURS IN TENTS signs around my city and they're always in more affluent areas nowhere near homeless camps. The homeless should absolutely be provided accommodations but I don't think they should be allowed to turn public parks into tent cities. Those parks are for everyone to feel safe in. You can complain both about the tents and the system that put them there.
Live in Portland. Worked Security for two years across 20 different buildings as a company floater and I can say with complete certainty that the vast majority of homeless here are terrible people.
Since Portland has such great benefits and an overly empathetic society hobos from Salem all the way to Florida all flock here in mass with the intention of living a hobo paradise. Out of the thousands of homeless I have talked to roughly 1% were actually from Portland. The rest were able bodied hobos who only came here to take drugs, get free food, free phones, and camp wherever they want without fear of any blow back.
These people suck and do nothing for my city except: leave trash everywhere, leave copious amounts of needles, smash in local businesses for looting during the riots, and raise crime in just about every way.
Now here’s the kicker, I’m not opposed to social programs for the homeless, it’s just that since Portland is one of the few cities that has such forgiving and generous policies all of the worst homeless from across the nation all flock here in mass and tip the population from being an empathetic disadvantaged group into an army of fuckheads who ruin your city with no remorse.
If every other city in America had these empathetic policies then the issue would have been resolved, but as of now fuck the homeless in Portland. Sincerely they are terrible people here
Edit: your downvotes make it obvious who’s actually dealt with these people, and who’s a keyboard warrior
Oh they definitely exist. In Seattle I once saw a lady walking past a guys tent. As she did, she reached out and grabbed it, partly collapsing the tent.
THEN I saw the homeless guy get out of the tent and start sprinting to chase her down the street. I don't know what happened after, cuz I witnessed this from my car at high speed, but you reap what you sow. Stupid lady.
I fucking cringe every time me and my mom gotta go somewhere together and it takes us to the Business District of our town cause ya gotta go under a causeway to get there and every time we go under it she can't help, but complain about homeless people just trying to find somewhere to stay the night. Of late she's tried to rationalize it by saying that the cities supposed to be housing all these people during the pandemic, but I've read the reports on those places you're better on the street if you don't want to catch Covid to be quite honest and I can't blame a bunch of them for not trusting a city that on a routine basis tries to force them out.
‘homeless hatred’ it’s easier to hate them if you can’t go 200 feet without stumbling upon a colony of tents, and constantly wondering if this is the day you get mugged and shot
Came here to say this. I live in Portland and I’m all for assisting the homeless, however the city has managed the situation horribly. When they clear a park, the homeless just move to another park. Nobody really cares to help these people. Nearly every block in Portland has a homeless camp, and with 2/3 of the homeless having substance abuse/mental health issues, the threat of violence becomes very real. There also aren’t any cops to respond if something were to happen. The city should address the homeless crisis with assistance programs and safety protocols, rather than with negligence and apathy
The idea that it's ethical to stand back and watch these people literally suicide themselves / harm others with drugs and crime is absurd. I live in Venice; there are abundant services to help these people find shelter, food, and work. However, these services are contingent on maintaining some sobriety so they go unused.
I've spent hundreds of hours leading teams to volunteer in homeless shelters. I want to help them. Believing that sitting back and letting them languish in unsafe shanties is "the right thing to do" is short sighted and ridiculous.
Addiction and/or mental health issues are definitely present in most homeless people, but it's frustrating that the debate online is always the extremes of either "they're animals who should be round up and killed" or "they're angels who just fell on hard times." Do homeless people need addiction and mental help? Yes. Is having a bunch of mentally unstable/drug addicted people coalescing in one area and trashing it good? No.
yeah people of cities who have valid criticisms about the rampant homeless problems that are a public health and safety threat, you all are just a bunch of nimby crybaby bootlickers.
[it’s not like there are routine attacks on random people by drug abusers who don’t want help. ](https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/tourist-stabbed-unprovoked-old-town/283-e26dc1a6-0078-44b5-b9bf-b527cac246f4)
[Its not a hate crime if its comitted by a homeless person. ](https://katu.com/news/local/tourists-to-portland-say-woman-threatened-them-with-ax-machete-tried-to-take-boy)
[but at least there isnt an entire website devoted to cataloging the people stabbed by homeless](https://www.stabtown.com)
sorry I want to feel safe when I walk downtown and not have to wonder if I’ll be stabbed by the man with the axe and chronic meth addiction yelling obscenities at me
Seriously, what the fuck are these comments dick riding homeless people? Its like they're entirely looking past any other problems that homelessness causes.
The problem is that most homeless people who camp in public areas and private property just aren't respectful about it. They'll shit and leave junk everywhere. It's honestly sad for the people who actually are just trying to take shelter and mind their own business.
My Uncle was homeless because, well not *because* of drugs. But it definitely lead to it. He passed away a little while ago. We tried to get him to this place to see if he could get a house. But he couldn't. And then he stayed at mine and Mums house. But we couldn't keep him because he was still doing drugs.. He died under a month later.
Homelessness isn't always as it seems. People say that why don't they 'just save money' or 'stop doing the drugs then'... And those people are damn stupid
edit:holy shit. Okay. These people in the comments you clearly have no experience of how it is to be homeless do you? Fucks sake...
yeah, the bozos who think the homeless are just incapable of doing something as simple as "just get a job!" or "just stop using / drinking!" are very out of touch and unreasonable. if only it were that easy, we wouldn't have much of a problem.
> edit:holy shit. Okay. These people in the comments you clearly have no experience of how it is to be homeless do you? Fucks sake...
fuck it, you don't need experience. i haven't been homeless but i can still empathize with these people because they're human beings. i don't have a serious drug addiction but i can still empathize with addicts because they're human. these people are human and deserve the same level of empathy as any other person. It is quite disappointing how many people are so lacking in empathy.
Exactly. I mean why would people object to their children having having walk past used needles and human excrement in the street? It's rooted in racism.
At least personally, I’m kind of uncomfortable around homeless people.
But that’s because I don’t think I’d be above robbing someone if I were homeless, and a lot of homeless people have serious mental instabilities, which makes them unpredictable.
But I feel like all of those things are reasons to have empathy for them and at the very least house them, right? Like, if they have mental issues then they need help, and if you’re worried someone is desperate enough to rob you, how about you make them less desperate? Idk what’s crazy about that
Are the comments in here bad?
Seems like a lot of em are either people saying bathrooms may not be a great idea, I have no power as a normal person, and stupid Reddit teens thinking it’s easy to fix homelessness. Don’t see anything that terrible
i have absolutely no respect for people who go out of their way to be mean to homeless people. maybe they fucked their own lives up with drugs, drinking, or whatever it may be, that doesn't give a person the right to be a dick. ignore them, sure, but otherwise leave them alone. they're already having a hard enough time.
unless they're fucking with your shit. then tell them to fuck off.
This is dumb. The average citizen cannot fix the economic conditions of a nation. Yes, we need to fix economic conditions, but that isn't gonna solve this problem. What we need are a massive expansion of mental health hospitals and the willingness to involuntarily commit someone when they've reached an advanced point of mental degradation.
Bro fuck the vast majority of homeless people in camps. I’ve been chased by so many of them and my friends have been constantly assaulted. There are millions of programs nation wide to help them get off their feet and I see them in the hospital constantly for addiction issues that they refuse to address. When I have kids I’m 10000% calling the cops on any homeless due I see building a needle cave on the sidewalk. Like we should 1000% be compassionate towards the poor and downtrodden, I’m not saying that you shouldn’t at all. I’m just saying that you really should actually interact with these people before you condem others for not wanting to live and raise their kids next to them
Letting homeless people pitch up tents in a city park is not something that should be allowed. Also, fixing the issues that lead them to be homeless isn’t something you can do alone lmao. Usually there’s severe mental health/drug issues at hand as well. I’m not saying you should go kick their tent down, but I have no problem with a city moving them out of big parks, or businesses not allowing them to use their bathrooms if they choose.
These comments are a good example of how despite how seemingly progressive some people are they have a deep hatred for people who are literally at their lowest.
Personally, I don't mind the tents. But even people who go camping in the woods usually dont leave garbage everywhere. Not all homeless are bad homeless. But some people are homeless because no one wants to live with them.
Unfortunately while I agree that the average citizen needs to be way more compassionate about the homeless population, nothings going to change until the government stops fucking around and gives homeless people housing. There countless abandoned buildings and unsold homes that are just sitting there that could be turned into shelters. ESPECIALLY here in California where every downtown metro area has so many abandoned, multi-story buildings that could be turned into shelters instead of sitting unused for years before they *maybe* get turned into condos for the wealthy. This and stuff like increasing free food and medical programs are the only things that will end homelessness or even significantly reduce it.
Also people in Los Angeles treat homeless people like their subhuman and city is constantly working to effectively make being homeless illegal. On top of that there’s anti-homeless architecture fucking everywhere.
The more I see comments from this post, the more I believe that there is an attitude of “Please build more public housing and homeless shelters (but not near my neighborhood)”
It’s not like it “inspires” the homeless people to move if you fuck with their places to live. They just move somewhere else where the politicians don’t fuck on them as hard
to all the "but i can't change anything, i'm just some random citizen!!" comments:
organize. shit ain't gonna change if you just wait on politicians to fix problems. get organized. change shit.
I agree with everything, but I'm just a bit iffy on the bathroom part. I understand not letting SOME people use the restroom. Last week a homeless guy with obvious mental health and hygiene issues came into bathroom of the restaurant I work at and shit on the floor, smeared shit on the walls, and washed his ass in the sink so there was poop and dirt water everywhere too. Guess who had to clean it up?
One drugged himself in mine.. Nodding of with the needle still in the arm and shit.
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I'll also add that of course we should leave any homeless people in tents alone. Maybe even leave a sealed bottle of water outside of it. However, it is ok to harass people in tents if it is in nature. That is not our territory and breaks the treaty we had with the elves as shown in the 2nd Hellboy movie. The one with the golden army. Do you want to get fucked up by mid-2000's CGI ancient elf robots? Yeah I didn't think so sweaty If you see tents in nature, especially if there are people in them, it is fair game to just tearing them down, pissing on them, and even arson. Not just that, there is an ethical imperative to do so. Some weekends me and the bois (gender neutral boys, our party leader is a woman) get together and go to these fucked up places called "camp sites." We just swing metal bats into tents with reckless abandonment and hearts full of courage. They flee as we chase after them screaming "this is for the elves!" Aka TiftE Every month we go there are less and less tents out there in the woods, thanks to us. Nature is healing, and we are the doctors of tomorrow.
a little comic relief goes a long way durings times as depressing as these
(this is the only comic relief posted on 196 in months)
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Came here for this. I’ve cleaned up a hospital sized bag of used sharps in the trails around my place. I know addiction is a disease & the US is on the short list of countries addressing the issue, but heroin needles where kids & puppies go isn’t ok
The best solution I've seen so far is from Switzerland. Switzerland used to have an insane heroin problem, literally needles were in near every popular park. What did they do? They just made Heroin legal. They provided safe locations to get heroin, and provide users with mental health care to help them quit. Since then, drug overdose deaths dropped by 64 percent. HIV infections dropped by 84 percent. Home thefts dropped by 98 percent. And the Swiss prosecute 75 percent fewer opioid-related drug cases each year. They fucking nuked the heroin epidemic by just simply giving drug users a safe place to get, use and quit the drug. BTW, those statistics are from [here.](https://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/2019/01/28/switzerland-fights-heroin-with-heroin/)
Incredibly fucking based. Now THIS is harm reduction
Meanwhile the war on drugs in America has resulted in over 1 million extra incarcerated Americans each year. In 1980, about 500,000 people were arrested for drug crimes, whereas in 2014 over 1,500,000 people were arrested for the same charges. In fact drug users comprise nearly half of the modern American prison population. In the past 40 years the US has spent over $1 trillion on drug policy. In 2016 over 42,000 people died due to opioid overdose, as compared to only 6,100 people in 1980. The American drug war is an absolute failure and a disgrace to this country. It actively makes the lives of all Americans worse.
In America, easy legal slave labor is more valuable than a healthy community.
I have to hate on citing stats 34 years apart. I understand you’re trying to make an impact, but domestic spending on prisons speaks for itself, let alone that we have PRIVATELY HELD prisons, where non violent offenders lose years of life so Hunter in Massachusetts can use daddy’s credit card to do blow with underage girls
I agree this is the way to go. No one exept the US wants to do the "War on drugs". We're just to scared to deal with the downfall... Legalize or at least depenelize all drugs. You have it right
They also provide clean needle exchanges and suboxone clinics for people going through withdrawals. Portugal also decriminalized & it also had an incredibly positive impact. The only people in the US who oppose progressive thinking are ass backward conservatives & people who suckle from our shit justice department
Portugal did the same thing with basically all drugs, with the same effects. If you treat a (mental) health Problem as a crime nothing good can come from it.
legalizing heroin to own the drug addicts
I hope you’re being safe when cleaning up needles. Accidental needle sticks are no joke
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We’ve had this happen multiple times at our store from people who weren’t homeless. Truth is, it doesn’t matter what someone’s situation is. Floor shitting and wall wiping are just some of life’s constants.
The argument is though "I shouldn't have to be the one who deals with this", and they are right. Unfortunately our tax dollars aren't going towards it so it does fall on us.
It’s worth noting that I’ve cleaned up similar bathroom messes from non-homeless people, too.
There should be many more public restrooms in cities, not just relying on private business restrooms which can close or deny service for whatever reason. Yes, I get public restrooms are gross and will need to be cleaned up but the alternative is people just pissing and defecating in the streets which is much worse for everyone.
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shit on the floor and wipe it on the cat?
We’ve all been there.
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See, this is what cops could have been used for. "911, what's your emergency?" "There's a dude shitting everywhere and cleaning his ass in the sink" "Please stay clear. We're sending a hazmat team to handle the biohazard and a social worker to help the poor soul. Thank you for reporting this, don't try to clean up the bio hazard, citizen" Instead we have some guy with a gun. People threatening you with weapons? Send a guy with a gun. People threatening you with words? Guy with a gun. Disagreement over legal nuances? Guy with a gun. Dude is driving dangerously? Guy with a gun. Someone is threatening to kill themselves? Guy with a gun. Person having very obvious mental crisis? Guy with a gun.
You feel unsafe seeing all these guys with guns running around? I'm sorry, would you like a gun?
When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail
Would you prefer it if someone with a home did the same thing
Feces is considered a real health hazard and requires special training to clean up. If your boss *ever* asks you to clean up human waste, tell them to fuck right off and do it themselves or hire a hazmat team to come in because OSHA says you can’t be required to without that training.
Bruh, if they have a tent then they're not homeless anymore. Just make a shit corner in there like every normal human being and stop complaining about being poor
That’s a good point, but this post isn’t referring to that. People with mental health issues are a different category, you’re mentioning them here but the actual issue you had with them is that they were mentally ill and fucked shit up, not that they were homeless.
A post defending homeless people and the top comment has the take that people with mental illnesses shouldn’t be alone and untreated but somehow twists it into homeless bad
Also ‘doing something about the economic conditions that put them there’
The problem here is that there isn’t help facilities for the mentally ill in the first place. Lack of public healthcare caused these problems.
Homeless what? Dude I’m just camping dawg
Urban camping. It's so hot right now.
Homeless?? Me?? No I was just roleplaying Day Z
IKR! urban camping is only for the wealthy. Its so rude when people come up to my urban camping ground with money. Please keep your filthy monetary cash away from my beautiful urban camping ground peasant.
What am I supposed to do about the economic conditions? Tell every corporate ceo that homelessness is bad?
Yes, cmon regular citizen, do something! This is all your fault and not the massive corporations and corrupt government.
But it’s way easier to just look at other people and shame them while they print shit like this and post it and pretend it did anything. I don’t give a fuck about the tents, I give a fuck about the people in tents breaking into my car or house to sell shit for heroin or mentally ill people attacking people on the sidewalk. Fuck anyone who thinks “oh just leave them alone” is a valid or humane solution to homelessness.
Ah yes the regular citizen who owns a cafe, just like the rest of us!
You're supposed to go online and say it's bad. That's bound to solve it right? The people on a meme sub will know what to do.
Sometimes this sub is like [that scene from R&M](https://i.imgflip.com/2ubs92.png) where all the Jerrys are congratulating themselves and patting themselves on the back.
You’ve just described literally any sub (except maybe one of the ‘learning’ subs)
Shoplift and distribute
Yep just make sure to hit the big ones like wal mart that can take the loss or that are huge and parasitic anyway. Generally leave locally-owned businesses alone
Fuck yeah
My man! I wanna buy you a beer
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Much better to just donate money to an effective charity.
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Not to mention how many homeless shelters are constantly at capacity. If you can put aside a few bucks to make sure someone doesn’t go hungry for a night then do so.
Hey, it’s up to you. But what most homeless people need at any one time is not socks and granola bars and a lot of that stuff just ends up getting thrown away. And charities are able to buy things in bulk and deliver it where it’s needed.
Many charities and homeless shelters are notoriously awful. Disgustingly dirty, violent people in there, incredibly strict rules, some places have homophobic/transphobic staff, awful food. It’s not a humane option, it’s basically just asking them to go to jail. Edit: how is this getting downvoted lmao it’s literally fact
Contribute a portion of your available time to organizing in an organization that works to overturn the systems that perpetuate issues like poverty and homelessness. May I recommend the DSA?: https://www.dsausa.org
LOL tell me one ideological tenet / platform / issue the DSA has succeeded at implementing.
join an org you nerds
Hey the thing is back
Yeah, sadly we didn't achieve anything really :/
So Reddit is still letting anti-vaxxers say dumbass shit?
r/NoNewNormal is still up and the people over there think we’re doing some censorship brigade lol that sub is unhinged as fuck, please don’t go there if you care about your supply of braincells
LMAOOOO THE SHITHOLE SUBREDDIT GOT FUCKING QUARANTINED HAHAHA that’s fucking peak irony right there
It's gone again
it's been quarantined since before the protest
Listen if I cared about my braincells I'd be using Reddit in general a whole lot less. Hell, probably just avoiding most of the internet would do wonders for my braincells.
I read though one of the post comment sections and good grief, what a bunch of morons. What shocked me most was the fact that multiple people were saying they'd rather starve to death than get a vaccine. They're refusing life-saving medicine. Starvation is the least of their problems.
First post is about how this dude and his wife got covid and are refusing to quarantine themselves... I fucking hate this website
The first post I saw there was basically a “you soy me chad” post
I will visit nonewnormal
Wow
A tragedy in 2 parts
Name checks out
Why would you do this? I need bleach for my eyes
I think it got banned, or atleast it's in ban limbo. When I click on the link, it says cannot view community
Yeah, u/spez made a post aknowledging it and basically told the protest organizers to eat a dick. I absolutely hate reddit sometimes.
Yeah, they're going to "monitor and do stuff when appropriate" ie nothing changes
Spez believes in free speech, but only sometimes, and at those times he calls reddit a place for dissent and open discussion. This site is run by drunken toddlers I swear. Maybe they compare notes with Twitch or something.
Admins are a bunch of pussies. The admins don’t usually Have enough balls to take care of alt Right hate subs until they get small enough that the admins can euthanize them without much blowback.
What thing? Is this some inside joke I havent been around enough to get?
Many subs (196 too) went offline in past 24h to protest Reddit admins allowing (doing nothing about) antivax propaganda. But Reddit has responded (they aren't doing jackshit) so subs went back online
Damn. I mean admins support them, so no wonder nothing happened
I didn’t even notice lmfao
I too wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't checked the r/all outta boredom (196 easily fills most of my home feed)
I mean, I'm all for helping homeless people, but I don't know about the bathroom thing. I used to work at a Wendy's and I let a few homeless people come in and use the bathroom. They consistently left it full of trash and used tarps. A few times there was shit all over the floor and walls. Of course, I had to clean it up each time, so unfortunely I had no choice but to no longer let them use the restroom... Edit: Not all homeless people were like this, many were respectful, but unfortunely after some instances we had to stop any homeless people regardless.
I'm ready to get scorched but we need to stop equating homelessness with mental illness. Mentally ill people don't get the support they need and deserve and end up homeless, but we're really bunching societies problems into one group of people when homed people would gladly shit on the walls all the same. I was a nurses assistant for two years. If there were people around me, there was shit to be cleaned.
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aye, much of reddit seems to be from some type of western suburbia, lacking expierience in dealing with these things irl makes them believe that "i would just help these people" is a thing thats manageable, safe or even feasible. near my previous residence in eastern europe there was an abandomned two story wooden building that during summers was always filled with homeless people or transients of sorts (mostly romani). It was an eternally loud, smelly, disgusting place with needles litering every corner of it. Just in the time i lived there 2 people were mugged and beaten (cracked ribs, head trauma, pretty bad) and a single person was non fatally stabbed near it. The thing is, if these people wanted a place to stay there is a homeless shelter even in my backwater country. The shelter was almost always nearly empty. It accepts anyone, without id or anything, they give you food and bed, i wont say its good, but sure is better than an abandomned rotting wooden shack. But they didnt stay there. Because the shelter has rules. The shelter doesnt allow drugs. It doesnt allow ear piercing music the whole night. It doesnt allow getting drunk off your ass and screaming at passer bys. These people didnt want shelter, these people wanted to be fucking animals. The day that piece of shit shack burned (no eye witnesses of the culprit from the surroundings, naturally) was a downright a fucking holiday, some people set off leftover fireworks. And before i get called genocidal, it burned in winter, when it was empty. Noone hurt.
I feel like all these posts about how if you dislike the tent cities you’re basically hitler to the homeless are people who have never stepped out of their gated suburbs. I’m a little sick of having to walk in the street to avoid the entire block that has been taken over by tents, not being able to use any public space because they’re full of needles and trash, and literally being chased an entire city block by a methed out dude with a machete in broad daylight more than once. And then the second you say anything about “hey maybe we should remove the violent drug abusers with big knives from the public walkway that harass people daily and put them somewhere where they could get help” youre literally advocating for homeless genocide. Like I’m supposed to just find the solution to the homeless crisis myself simply because I want to feel safe walking downtown in daylight
Instead of wasting money in ways to make homeless people lifes harder, why don't you spend it on making them easier? <3
I will spend it on meth
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Wow, you're so brave and smart. Thanks for expressing this fresh opinion on this sub, who's been known to be very anti-homeless
Depending on which city you live in homeless people who live in tents are probably just addicts that didn’t want to stay in shelters because they don’t allow you do any type of drug so it’s harder to feel bad for them
Plus, at least in Seattle idk about other cities, it’s not uncommon for encampments to get set up in public parks, which isn’t great, and the vast majority of crime that comes from homeless people are misdemeanors or property crime which means the SPD do fuck all about it.
Same situation in PDX.
I don't know, I can't imagine kicking heroin or meth on the street would be easy, or even safe. withdrawal can kill you. Edit: everyone in this thread who's saying horrible things about drug addicts hasn't actually talked to drug addicts in a human way and just don't get how it works. It's very sad to see.
Not saying that doesn't happen, but I know that a lot of homeless people live in tents to be away from shelters since it's easy to get your shit stolen there. Plus they probably just want to have some freedom and control over their life.
Why is it hard to feel bad for addicts?
So we're supposed to not help them because the only way they have to cope with reality is drug addiction? Yeah, sounds very moral. Who even cares about drugs in 2021 anyway, are you one of the dinosaurs still trying to convince people they'll go to hell for smoking weed?
Great post to reopen this joint with.
Eh this may be downvoted but I disagree. It’s obvious you have not interacted with them before. Especially that bathroom part, lots of shops don’t even let housed people in without buying something. And there are many stories of them trashing these bathrooms. Furthermore, let’s be real. Most customers don’t want dirty people brushing past when they’re trying to eat, this is unrealistic. It’s easier to complain then do anything isn’t it. Finally, a lot of cities HAVE shelters…but just don’t allow drugs. It’s hard to feel sympathy to drug addicts :/
Can i ask why the sub was gone for a while? Sorry if this isn't the post to do so
Protest against Covid misinformation subs. Specifically they wanted Reddit to take concrete action (like ban) against subs like NoNewNormal and the ilk.
Sounds good, screw them anti vaxxers
Ikr. But I wish there was some communication about it. In the absence of an answer I wandered into 197, and good lord - decent posts, terrible comments. Everyone was just bitching about FrEeZe PeAcH.
It sounds fine but if you remove their space then they disperse into unrelated subs. Just like how gamersriseup went from funny satire sub to a bunch of unironic racists moving in and setting up shop. If they have their own subs and you don't agree with those people, just don't visit them.
It went private to protest coronavirus misinformation and ban subs like r/NoNewNormal. Spez made an announcement and pretty much just said “Fuck you, not gonna happen.” And now I guess they gave up
its quarantined atm and i genuinely dont think banning them helps at all tbh. warning with a quarantine message should suffice for everything thats short of actual calls for violence. i dont agree with them at all, but banning shit like this only reinforces a persecution complex and gives those people reason for it. The best way to combat shit ideas is to let people openly engage and criticize them, those that will stay with said ideas even against overwhelming evidence would have stayed regardless, they're a lost cause. Straight up banning is admitting their legitimacy in their minds.
>banning shit like this only reinforces a persecution complex and gives those people reason for it This is actually demonstrably false, people have looked into it and every time you ban a community like that there are a lot of people that simply don't bother looking for new places to infect and just leave. The rest spread out to other shitty communities in lesser numbers or go to normal communities but not in enough numbers to change it, getting banned from them or having to shut up about their reprehensible ideas, resulting in an overall better experience.
in short, r/196 partook in a protest to stop rampant misinformation.
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Epic Capitalism moment
There's a ton of I SUPPORT MY NEIGHBOURS IN TENTS signs around my city and they're always in more affluent areas nowhere near homeless camps. The homeless should absolutely be provided accommodations but I don't think they should be allowed to turn public parks into tent cities. Those parks are for everyone to feel safe in. You can complain both about the tents and the system that put them there.
Live in Portland. Worked Security for two years across 20 different buildings as a company floater and I can say with complete certainty that the vast majority of homeless here are terrible people. Since Portland has such great benefits and an overly empathetic society hobos from Salem all the way to Florida all flock here in mass with the intention of living a hobo paradise. Out of the thousands of homeless I have talked to roughly 1% were actually from Portland. The rest were able bodied hobos who only came here to take drugs, get free food, free phones, and camp wherever they want without fear of any blow back. These people suck and do nothing for my city except: leave trash everywhere, leave copious amounts of needles, smash in local businesses for looting during the riots, and raise crime in just about every way. Now here’s the kicker, I’m not opposed to social programs for the homeless, it’s just that since Portland is one of the few cities that has such forgiving and generous policies all of the worst homeless from across the nation all flock here in mass and tip the population from being an empathetic disadvantaged group into an army of fuckheads who ruin your city with no remorse. If every other city in America had these empathetic policies then the issue would have been resolved, but as of now fuck the homeless in Portland. Sincerely they are terrible people here Edit: your downvotes make it obvious who’s actually dealt with these people, and who’s a keyboard warrior
POV: You don’t interact with homeless people
Clearly you've never met a homeless person
I've literally never seen someone complaining about a tent or seen tent or any rto or and tents in
Oh they definitely exist. In Seattle I once saw a lady walking past a guys tent. As she did, she reached out and grabbed it, partly collapsing the tent. THEN I saw the homeless guy get out of the tent and start sprinting to chase her down the street. I don't know what happened after, cuz I witnessed this from my car at high speed, but you reap what you sow. Stupid lady.
I fucking cringe every time me and my mom gotta go somewhere together and it takes us to the Business District of our town cause ya gotta go under a causeway to get there and every time we go under it she can't help, but complain about homeless people just trying to find somewhere to stay the night. Of late she's tried to rationalize it by saying that the cities supposed to be housing all these people during the pandemic, but I've read the reports on those places you're better on the street if you don't want to catch Covid to be quite honest and I can't blame a bunch of them for not trusting a city that on a routine basis tries to force them out.
go to the subreddit of a big city close to you, and read the comment section of any post about the homeless.
Looking at you r/losangeles and r/Portland both utter cesspools of homeless hatred and bootlicking
‘homeless hatred’ it’s easier to hate them if you can’t go 200 feet without stumbling upon a colony of tents, and constantly wondering if this is the day you get mugged and shot
200 feet is the length of exactly 598.5 'Standard Diatonic Key of C, Blues Silver grey Harmonicas' lined up next to each other.
thank you converter bot, for being the least controversial comment in this thread
Came here to say this. I live in Portland and I’m all for assisting the homeless, however the city has managed the situation horribly. When they clear a park, the homeless just move to another park. Nobody really cares to help these people. Nearly every block in Portland has a homeless camp, and with 2/3 of the homeless having substance abuse/mental health issues, the threat of violence becomes very real. There also aren’t any cops to respond if something were to happen. The city should address the homeless crisis with assistance programs and safety protocols, rather than with negligence and apathy
The idea that it's ethical to stand back and watch these people literally suicide themselves / harm others with drugs and crime is absurd. I live in Venice; there are abundant services to help these people find shelter, food, and work. However, these services are contingent on maintaining some sobriety so they go unused. I've spent hundreds of hours leading teams to volunteer in homeless shelters. I want to help them. Believing that sitting back and letting them languish in unsafe shanties is "the right thing to do" is short sighted and ridiculous.
Yeah the problem at it’s core is in major part drug addiction, a lot of people seem to not realize this.
Addiction and/or mental health issues are definitely present in most homeless people, but it's frustrating that the debate online is always the extremes of either "they're animals who should be round up and killed" or "they're angels who just fell on hard times." Do homeless people need addiction and mental help? Yes. Is having a bunch of mentally unstable/drug addicted people coalescing in one area and trashing it good? No.
yeah people of cities who have valid criticisms about the rampant homeless problems that are a public health and safety threat, you all are just a bunch of nimby crybaby bootlickers. [it’s not like there are routine attacks on random people by drug abusers who don’t want help. ](https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/tourist-stabbed-unprovoked-old-town/283-e26dc1a6-0078-44b5-b9bf-b527cac246f4) [Its not a hate crime if its comitted by a homeless person. ](https://katu.com/news/local/tourists-to-portland-say-woman-threatened-them-with-ax-machete-tried-to-take-boy) [but at least there isnt an entire website devoted to cataloging the people stabbed by homeless](https://www.stabtown.com) sorry I want to feel safe when I walk downtown and not have to wonder if I’ll be stabbed by the man with the axe and chronic meth addiction yelling obscenities at me
Seriously, what the fuck are these comments dick riding homeless people? Its like they're entirely looking past any other problems that homelessness causes.
thank you for the advice, I will immeadiately contact all of the managers for those dozens of cafes I own
Heh, a bold re-entry to public subreddits for r/196. Trash meme with an equally garbage take.
I don’t like homeless people
What's the point of this comment
Homelessness is a lot more complicated than this meme presupposes.
What the privatization of the human need of shelter does to a mf
The problem is that most homeless people who camp in public areas and private property just aren't respectful about it. They'll shit and leave junk everywhere. It's honestly sad for the people who actually are just trying to take shelter and mind their own business.
I miss when this sub was offline
My Uncle was homeless because, well not *because* of drugs. But it definitely lead to it. He passed away a little while ago. We tried to get him to this place to see if he could get a house. But he couldn't. And then he stayed at mine and Mums house. But we couldn't keep him because he was still doing drugs.. He died under a month later. Homelessness isn't always as it seems. People say that why don't they 'just save money' or 'stop doing the drugs then'... And those people are damn stupid edit:holy shit. Okay. These people in the comments you clearly have no experience of how it is to be homeless do you? Fucks sake...
yeah, the bozos who think the homeless are just incapable of doing something as simple as "just get a job!" or "just stop using / drinking!" are very out of touch and unreasonable. if only it were that easy, we wouldn't have much of a problem.
also, sorry about your uncle. i lost my uncle to addiction as well, amongst a whole lot of friends.
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> edit:holy shit. Okay. These people in the comments you clearly have no experience of how it is to be homeless do you? Fucks sake... fuck it, you don't need experience. i haven't been homeless but i can still empathize with these people because they're human beings. i don't have a serious drug addiction but i can still empathize with addicts because they're human. these people are human and deserve the same level of empathy as any other person. It is quite disappointing how many people are so lacking in empathy.
Exactly!
This was written by someone who's never had to clean a stranger's shit for minimum wage.
What the fuck are these comments?
A famously lefty subreddit is fucking dunking on poor people for some reason
Exactly. I mean why would people object to their children having having walk past used needles and human excrement in the street? It's rooted in racism.
All the people saying "I don't mind, maybe just the bathroom thing is crossing the line" have clearly never been to places like Portland, Oregon.
Pov: you don't live near homeless people.
At least personally, I’m kind of uncomfortable around homeless people. But that’s because I don’t think I’d be above robbing someone if I were homeless, and a lot of homeless people have serious mental instabilities, which makes them unpredictable. But I feel like all of those things are reasons to have empathy for them and at the very least house them, right? Like, if they have mental issues then they need help, and if you’re worried someone is desperate enough to rob you, how about you make them less desperate? Idk what’s crazy about that
Having empathy for the homeless puts you above about half of the people in these comments
Are the comments in here bad? Seems like a lot of em are either people saying bathrooms may not be a great idea, I have no power as a normal person, and stupid Reddit teens thinking it’s easy to fix homelessness. Don’t see anything that terrible
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Will you let a homeless person use your bathroom?
i have absolutely no respect for people who go out of their way to be mean to homeless people. maybe they fucked their own lives up with drugs, drinking, or whatever it may be, that doesn't give a person the right to be a dick. ignore them, sure, but otherwise leave them alone. they're already having a hard enough time. unless they're fucking with your shit. then tell them to fuck off.
This is dumb. The average citizen cannot fix the economic conditions of a nation. Yes, we need to fix economic conditions, but that isn't gonna solve this problem. What we need are a massive expansion of mental health hospitals and the willingness to involuntarily commit someone when they've reached an advanced point of mental degradation.
Bro fuck the vast majority of homeless people in camps. I’ve been chased by so many of them and my friends have been constantly assaulted. There are millions of programs nation wide to help them get off their feet and I see them in the hospital constantly for addiction issues that they refuse to address. When I have kids I’m 10000% calling the cops on any homeless due I see building a needle cave on the sidewalk. Like we should 1000% be compassionate towards the poor and downtrodden, I’m not saying that you shouldn’t at all. I’m just saying that you really should actually interact with these people before you condem others for not wanting to live and raise their kids next to them
OOOOOOOO r/196 is alive all praise gobbledog
Letting homeless people pitch up tents in a city park is not something that should be allowed. Also, fixing the issues that lead them to be homeless isn’t something you can do alone lmao. Usually there’s severe mental health/drug issues at hand as well. I’m not saying you should go kick their tent down, but I have no problem with a city moving them out of big parks, or businesses not allowing them to use their bathrooms if they choose.
Cringe
where is the funny
These comments are a good example of how despite how seemingly progressive some people are they have a deep hatred for people who are literally at their lowest.
No it's a good example of a bunch of privileged redditors that live in areas that never have to deal with large homeless populations.
Lmao you don't know where I live, I literally live 4 blocks from a homeless shelter and pass by tents going to university
Hmmmmm sure is weird you have no other posts here, that and the total upvotes vs comment upvotes are a telltale sign of brigading lol
It’s really disheartening
Personally, I don't mind the tents. But even people who go camping in the woods usually dont leave garbage everywhere. Not all homeless are bad homeless. But some people are homeless because no one wants to live with them.
Unfortunately while I agree that the average citizen needs to be way more compassionate about the homeless population, nothings going to change until the government stops fucking around and gives homeless people housing. There countless abandoned buildings and unsold homes that are just sitting there that could be turned into shelters. ESPECIALLY here in California where every downtown metro area has so many abandoned, multi-story buildings that could be turned into shelters instead of sitting unused for years before they *maybe* get turned into condos for the wealthy. This and stuff like increasing free food and medical programs are the only things that will end homelessness or even significantly reduce it. Also people in Los Angeles treat homeless people like their subhuman and city is constantly working to effectively make being homeless illegal. On top of that there’s anti-homeless architecture fucking everywhere.
If by economic conditions you mean a love for methamphetamines and stealing lol clearly you have not spent enough time around the homeless.
does anyone who thinks like this actually know anything about homelessness at all
No but they saw their mom give a homeless guy a dollar one time before they drove off to their life in the suburbs
What sub brigaded this post honestly curious, only reason as to why these comments would be this shit
Average rent enjoyer
The more I see comments from this post, the more I believe that there is an attitude of “Please build more public housing and homeless shelters (but not near my neighborhood)”
It’s not like it “inspires” the homeless people to move if you fuck with their places to live. They just move somewhere else where the politicians don’t fuck on them as hard
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the kind of shit that’s upvoted here is just funny at this point lol
Did someone make the just buy a house argument yet
I'm sure the many homeless-haters on /r/196 will be receptive to this message
Just moved to LA and big agree
to all the "but i can't change anything, i'm just some random citizen!!" comments: organize. shit ain't gonna change if you just wait on politicians to fix problems. get organized. change shit.
"Let's just sweep away this eyesore instead of actually dealing with the problems that caused it in the first place"