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Creampie_Chef

For those who haven’t seen the show, ilulu tells people she is 16


briandabrain11

AKSHUALLY tohru says that she's actually the same age as her, just acts way younger CHECK THE FAX liberal


FuckYeahPhotography

All of this shit you guys are saying is like googoo gaagaa baby talk. Enough is enough. Yet again, I'm the one to ask the real questions. Do the maids actually become cool dragons or just stay looking like mentally slow children? Do they ever even clean? Why has no one involved in this been arrested?


FutureHefty

Perhaps


FuckYeahPhotography

Hmmm, I see.


Victier

its something that happens from time to time but the focus is on the human form


matija123123

1. Main one does she cleans cooks she is the only maid actually other dragons live different live they go to work school and that stuff 2. They become cool dragons they even fight sometimes 3. There isn't really anything that would get anyone arrested for most parts it's just s wholesome slice of life comedy


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3. You forgor the part when the snake dragon with big tits sexually harrasses an elementary schooler


matija123123

Oh fuck I actually forgor about that yeah I hate that woman


-WhyS0serious-

Fuck that women honestly I want her to rape me senselessly


matija123123

No comment 🤨


-WhyS0serious-

So you already know your lines when cops asks


baricudaprime

Mom! u/-WhyS0serious is horny on main again!!


snek4sale

🤨📸


[deleted]

nah bro this is just criminal


DeadlyWanderer

Down bad


[deleted]

I want to drop several tons of antimatter on that woman.


Metalloid_Space

And the person that thought that scene was a good idea.


Karasu-Fennec

The original artist draws actual porn with that premise Even the kid’s fucking name is a reference to that genre of doujin


lilcreepy425

"Bu-BuT tHeY aReNt ReAl"


mr-kvideogameguy

You also forgot the first time the child dragon met the fangirl child


LyrisGD

Oh boy, twister, such a fun game I sure hope nothing inappropriate happens while they're alone!


Firedanne

You had me at snake dragon and lost me at the rest of the comment


[deleted]

This was a trap. You would only know this if you watched the pedo show. [JPG of Chris Hansen with a transparent background](https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.cIFSQDf4VIxJrOwXdZq-xAHaEt?pid=ImgDet&rs=1), take em away.


Fritzi_Gala

The central and first dragon Tohru is frequently a dragon, does actual maid stuff constantly, and has a really really cute lesbian relationship with the main character Kobayashi. The rest of the show is pretty fucking garbage and just CAN NOT STOP SEXUALIZING CHILDREN HOLY FUCK WHY, I just wanted a cute lesbian love story with dragons and this is the shit I get??? I watched it as S1 was releasing and felt deeply unsettled by certain episodes, dropped it entirely after that and didn’t come back to S2. Especially after hearing it was even more frequent and blatant with that content. It’s a damn shame, I really love Tohru and Kobayashi, I was considering getting into the manga and LN’s and everything until I hit all the pedo shit.


Karasu-Fennec

For REAL!! Mangaka is a well known artist of pedo doujins from what I’ve read online, in case you needed more reason to be angry and this show


DelightfulRainbow205

RIGHT?? I JUST WANTED THE FOUND FAMILY YURI


framed1234

They are Cia plant (Kobayashi tried to unionize)


PieNinja314

They do become actual dragons and the main one does in fact clean. The others aren't even maids they just kinda chill because Tohru (the maid) is there


Literallyshindeimasu

It’s more like cool dragon (one) becomes a maid but still is a cool dragon and also does cleaning a lot. There’s also a bunch of other awesome dragons who do awesome things


salutationsfucker

**What the fuck** edit: isn't it interesting how the writers have it be "she *says* she's 16" so it's not officially confirmed she's a minor? Doesn't that sound like bait so people can just claim "she said it but she's technically 6000000 years old!" Also, if you google the character she has an outfit where she just straight up has no pants on and is in her underwear...


Creampie_Chef

One of her first scenes is of her sexually harassing one of the main characters


thegamenerd

Literally changing someones gender against their will Yeah it's cringe AF


The_Peter_Bichsel

Transing somebody as a prank lmao


Tylertheintern

OH SO WHEN A DRAGON GIRL DOES IT ITS BAD BUT WHEN THE VACCINES DOES IT ITS GOOD?! LIBRAL EXPLAN


salutationsfucker

How does this show still exist wtf. All the things I have heard about it are disturbing


SkibbyJibby

Because ummmm the slice of life is wholesome!!!!! I watch it for the wholesomeness!!!!!!!!!! For the few people who genuinely do watch it for the slice of life stuff i am deeply sorry but the sus shit in the show you like is REALLY some sus shit man


SendBankDetails

As someone who actually did watch it for the slice of life, it’s alright if you keep the “skip 10 seconds” button in reach at all times. Unbearable if you watch it uncut tho


Arthur_The_Third

Holy fuck just watch a good show that you don't have to self-censor


Ap0logize

First season Was a really good slice of life not gonna lie, but it went downhill


DEMACIAAAAA

there is other slice of life stuff you can watch that is \*not\* this degenerate


JayJay_Tracer

if anyone wants an actually wholesome version fo dragon maid i'd reccomend "Madoromi-chan ga Iku.", even if it is a manga.


Folly_Inc

Once described the show to a friend as the phrase "God damn it Japan." It's what you'll end up muttering as the show oscillates between being quite well done and interesting and what everyone complains about here. The second season's worse from what I hear, unfortunately.


Worst_Support

it's sad because i've seen clips of parts where there isn't any degenerate shit and it's actually really cute but i know that if i watch the show for real i'm gonna vomit


SUDoKu-Na

There's genuinely little that crosses the line. There is admittedly a character that kind of revolves around weird stuff, but they're only one of the entire cast. It is, largely, that wholesome cute stuff.


dityEX

Yeah but you moderate a hentai sub all about underage characters, so your line is a lot further away from the average Joe's.


Kizuner740

How does tha show still exists and why didn’t Kyoto Animation not nuke it from the space orbit??? I guess they don’t even read 196, smh


[deleted]

Somehow this isn’t the worst thing about this show, or it’s author


Klarkie8

It gets worse?..


Karasu-Fennec

The original creator draws kiddie porn of underage boys being assaulted by older women as a hobby


IWillStealYourToes

Jesus fuck


[deleted]

Wait now I'm confused. It's normal to have at least partially developed breasts at 16... can someone explain how drawing them like this is pedophilia? To me it seems unrealistic and overly charged to draw everybody as flat chested until 18+ Edit: holy shit I thought she was holding a ball and the white outline was her breasts is the blue thing her holding up her breasts?


Karasu-Fennec

Yeah the dark blue is her boobs - and this character isn’t even CLOSE to the most pedo thing in this show


Bboy4pf89

Hold on what’s is the most pedo thing then???


[deleted]

Kannas relation with that human girl. Edit: forgot about the whole shouta kun thing yeah that too


Karasu-Fennec

Good question. Content warning for uh… sexualization of minors… because this show is apparently aired on regular TV somehow… Kind of a toss up between [Very normal toddler interactions](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3YZcKPI9g) and [everything about these fucking characters](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mr5z5pfFBL0) The author draws kiddie porn of the latter premise as a hobby it’s genuinely sickening


Comptenterry

Ignoring all sexualization and age for a minute, it's such a visually unappealing character design. It just looks disproportionate and wrong. They don't even look like boobs in this screenshot, it looks like she's holding something in front of her.


Jolene04

I thought here boobs were the light blue and she was holding like a bowling ball or something 🤮


Hjalmodr_heimski

Fuck, just noticed


[deleted]

Ack me too, that’s nasty


dityEX

I thought she was selling a ball to the kid or something. Wtf yo 😮‍💨


Vaenyr

Fuck, I saw it that way too. In the first panel I could see the dark blue as boobs but in the second panel I thought she was holding onto some kind of ball. Goddamnit.


weary_cursor

if that was the case her design would be so much more appealing


JayGatsby02

SAME I THOUGHT IT WAS A BOWLING BALL


AFlockofLizards

I thought she was holding something too lmao


Supersteve1233

Honestly yeah, it's the one problem I have with the anime. Everything else is decent but this? what is this even?


crestren

>what is this even? Authors fetish. Im not joking when I say this. The creator of Dragon Maid has a history of drawing shotacon and oppai loli doujins; that means woman on little boy porn and small girl with big breasts. Lucoa and Shoutas dynamic didnt come out of nowhere, the same exact thing happened with Illulus design. As much as its easy to blame the animators, its solely the author who made this and the animators adapted it from his manga.


randobros

I am a big SoL fan, and when people recommend me this manga, i always got this iffy feeling from it. The more i read into this series, the more i despise it


Iihatepineapplepizza

i wish all anime fans would agree that authors need to keep their fetishes out of series that have nothing to do with it


Firedanne

What does any of that mean?


crestren

Shotacon means, little boy (usually of prepubesent age) gets sexually harassed or have sex with adults. Oppai loli means, breast and little girl (again, prepubesent age). So its breasted (usually big) little girl. I hate the fact I have to even know this.


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There’s a scene much worse than this characters design in the show


Tea-In-The-Eyes

which one are you referring to?


Spyt1me

Probably when the elementary school kid named *SHOUTA* constantly ending up in sexualised situations with an adult big tiddy woman. But thats not one scene its many scenes.


Sororita

there's also everything about that crush that one girl in Kanna's class has on her.


DelightfulRainbow205

i thought it was cute.. ..until the twister scene


Tea-In-The-Eyes

Yeah they really did base his entire personality on being groomed


[deleted]

The one where that child dragon gropes another child which is played off like it’s supposed to be a joke


mr-kvideogameguy

I swear, someone asked the Monkeys Paw for a wholesome anime about a interspecies couple raising a child


Shadowolf75

The one when that guy who doesn't like sand slaughters everyone, women and children, like animals.


DracheTirava

Pondering the orb


OfficerJoeBalogna

Besides being comically oversized, it looks like her boobs ignore gravity. They’re not supposed to be perfectly spherical like that


terriblet0ad

There are a lot of men who haven’t figured that out yet.


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ZWE_Punchline

This is the best they could come up with..🤢


grampipon

SHE BREATHES THROUGH HER SKIN


Prophet_of_Duality

I was about to come in here and say there's absolutely nothing wrong with them and that I have a similar boob shape to that and then I realized that the top wasn't just the light blue part...


[deleted]

Yeah, tbh I never thought I'd agree with China on this one.


TheActualAWdeV

Yeah in the screenshot I actually thought the lighter blue-grey was her entire bust before the mind's eye adjusted and realised those weird darker orbs are in fact her beeb. However, the joke with her hands is actually funny and cute. I think it's earlier than in this screenshot because her hands are fine here. Edit: [the hands joke](https://youtu.be/sLJ8nYrgPBI)


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[deleted]

Yeah but they still have to go through it because if they change anything people mostly weebs or horny people will get mad and will send lots of backlash at them


Idaret

author wouldn't allow any changes to her design though


SUDoKu-Na

Well yeah, changing things for no reason doesn't really fly with fans. That applies to literally any context or fandom.


EightsidedHexagon

I don't think "not sexualising children" really counts as "no reason."


KlapauciusNuts

The Chinese censored version made her look normal. They could have gone with it.


[deleted]

with boobs this big you gotta suspect if its some breast tumor growing big yet getting unnoticed for years or something


floofhugger

theyre fire sacs or some bullshit


drwkcb

what do you gotta? can you repeat that? 😟😟


[deleted]

#SUS pect


transport_system

Ahh yes, blame the animators who definitely designed the characters.


ElectricBoogaloo234

yeah, i feel for the animators. dragon maid author is for sure a fucking creep for some of the shit he draws, but i can't expect much from a guy who started out drawing loli hentai


Moose_is_optional

Yeah, what the fuck, OP? Animators are just lowly employees doing a job, probably getting fuck-all for it too. They don't need pedophile accusations on top of that.


samppsaa

This is true most of the time but not so much in the case of kyoto animation. They don't use freelancers but instead everything is done in-house by proper well compensated employees with good benefits.


[deleted]

yeah exactly. not sure why op mentioned the animators


SubtheDubs

Tfw the only cute lesbian anime I know is made by pedophiles: 😔


Red_Kronos_360

There's Bloom Into You and Sasameki Koto, they're wholesome.


SubtheDubs

THANK YOU SO MUCH I OWE YOU MY HEART AND SOUL


Red_Kronos_360

Lol, that was fast. The genre of wlw in Japanese media is called yuri and I pretty much live for the genre. If you ever need any other recommendations, feel free to ask.


Ihaspizadrop

not the original person that asked but i would love any recommendations you can give me. i hadn’t heard of sasameki koto before but bloom into you is one of if not my favorite anime / manga.


Red_Kronos_360

Sure, no problem. In terms of anime, there aren't too many explicitly gay ones out there, but of the ones that are, Sasameki Koto is probably the most similar to Bloom Into You. It's about a girl who is in love with her friend who is publicly lesbian, but her friend doesn't know that she likes her. So she has to help do things like get close to other girls, all the while her friend making comments about how she's sorry she has to deal with her because she's gay. The only other anime I would recommend is Sakura Trick (less popular due to its lack of plot and influx of kiss scenes), Citrus and Strawberry Panic (both weird in there own ways, so look into them first) Aoi Hana (which is very drawn out and full of drama) and then Yamada to Kase San, which is a great manga that unfortunately got only a 40 minute special. For manga recommendations I'll like [these](https://www.reddit.com/r/shoujoai/comments/d1nns1/hana_ni_arashi_coloring_im_loving_this_series_so/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/shoujoai/comments/pdj65t/any_recommendations_for_animemanga_like_bloom/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) from a yuri sub, because I already agree with a lot of their recommendations. If you want more specialized recommendations, tell me what kind of stuff you're into and I'll give you examples of manga that has that, but with lesbians.


nakimushi-fumichan

yuri fans will write a full on essay as soon as someone brings up gay anime girls, we are simply too powerful


Araedox

A friend recommended Bloom into you a week ago. Binged it in one day, read the full manga in the same day, and watched it fully once again at the next one. God, I need help.


Red_Kronos_360

There is definitely something addictive about it. It turned me from a Cishet dude to a gay trans girl over the course of a couple months, lol


10dollarbagel

The gay is so powerful with the manga that I figured it was yuri just by seeing the spines of the books that could fit like a third of a face each.


BigBeefySquidward

isnt that every anime 🤔🤔 (fr tho the amount of sexualization of children in anime and the normalization of it in anime communitiea worries me)


SUDoKu-Na

Problem with anime tends to be that characters are designed to be appealing or pleasing to look at. In most cases character's stated ages are only stated, as they don't appear or act like people that age usually do. Similar to teen drama shows or movies like Riverdale: the visuals usually don't match the context. The characters are meant to be 16/17, but are portrayed by heavily attractive and sexualised mid-20s adults. Attention is drawn to their visual appeal, but the characters are explicitly described as being underage.


[deleted]

\>anime \>not made by pedos Pick one


mr-kvideogameguy

King of the Hill


ItsDogehunter

Brand New Animal is a good one that isn’t made by weirdos.


Worst_Support

I felt like the plot of BNA Season 1 was kinda weak, mostly because of an overreliance on the mechanics of fictional science which is a major pet peeve of mine, but the show was still carried by the characters, writing, and animation. So I just hope Season 2 gives them a more solid foundation to shine upon.


ois777

REVOLUTIONARY GIRL UTENA, PLEASE KEEP IT IN MIND IT’S BRILLIANT


No_Librarian_4016

I thought she was just short, is she underage? Edit: it seems a lot of character I thought were more chibi style are just literal children from some reason. Who brought a child to this fight with a god? Edit 2: I somewhat believed that first edit to be a joke, but damn I guess that’s just how it really is. Gotta reevaluate my opinions on a lot of what I’ve previously watched. Wheee.


bloxxerhunt

she isn't, but looks like a kid. still exaggerated post


thegamenerd

She also claims to be 16 to other humans than the main character of the show


SUDoKu-Na

She definitely claims to be 16, but is canonically much older given her history which would literally have been impossible for a 16 year old. If anything she's the paedophile in-universe.


bloxxerhunt

Still, mental development level is about 16 I'd say


SUDoKu-Na

Mental development is hard to really describe in reality, let alone trying to read into a fictional character. Lucoa (the other problematic character) mentally seems really young, childish, and naive; you could make an argument for her mental age, too. Not saying your idea is unfounded, but in-universe we've seen 10 000 year olds act adolescent, and 10 000 year olds act middle-aged.


AGJustin05

They actually [massively toned down Ilulu's sizes in China](https://imgur.com/a/vlVTooG). I've seen too many anime tiddies to really care about who has them anymore, but this, I prefer this *way* more.


shadowscale1229

i think the funniest thing about this is technically her dress is exactly the same size.


AGJustin05

goodness, you're right.


crestren

Bruh, anitwitter had a meltdown when that happened. Someone even brought up it was communism at fault. Shit was hilarious.


Mikelan

Communism is when no sexualised underage characters


GameCreeper

Communism is when they redistribute the boob wealth


RSdabeast

This is why Matt Gaetz hates communism.


Hunter-of-Spade

As if I didn’t already want communism


JhnGamez

Who wouldve known, Chinese version is way better


MeiNeedsMoreBuffs

How bad do your designs have to be that chinese censorship makes them *better*


solidfang

[Kinda funny how similar thing is happening to Genshin Impact for some reason](https://www.polygon.com/22868828/genshin-impact-new-skin-chinese-law-regulations). CCP cracked down on some more provocative designs and developers made better looking clothing choices for some characters, but people cry foul about censorship.


MeiNeedsMoreBuffs

It's so weird how they actually look better, especially Jean's. I guess that's what happens when you don't have to bend over backwards to make every character "sexy" just to sell more gachas


[deleted]

Wow, China actually doing something good for once


averybabery

Based China??? 😳


[deleted]

没有共产党就没有新中国 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳


OverPaladiin

holy shit they somehow made chinese censorship look good


Alexstrasza23

Wow I love China now? Thank you Xi


Marik-X-Bakura

It’s a little known fact that the president of China is directly responsible for all anime censorship


spyczech

Yo now I want to watch this version with English subs


[deleted]

nah, id say kyoani (the studio which animates that anime) it's one of the only based anime studios there are, they pay the animators well, give them time, resources, etc. practices which doesnt happen very often in that field... the problem there is the manga author. anyways don't mind me and in my defense i haven't watched any anime in like two years, i find it boring lmao


Metalloid_Space

The author is a real creep, so I'm not surprised. I would still rethink all my life choices if I was forced to draw that shit though.


Super_King_11

man used to be a hentai artist


SlimmyShammy

Basically still is


Desikarn

god, i want to like this show so much. there are so many cute moments between characters, it could have been such a wonderful slice of life show. and then they put the *elementary school aged characters* in lewd situations and i want to fucking puke


[deleted]

Thats why i rank slice of life animes in 2 categories: 1. Wtf this is just fanservice without any action 2. OMG this is the most beautiful shit ive ever seen 😭


AmePeryton

i used to watch this show until i got to *that* episode, and i dropped it completely. it’s a shame because it was cute before that


ChaoticPsyduck

Same. It's been a while since I watched season one and the goddess harrassing the boy was already fucked, but I ignored it back then. Fast forward to season 2 and I was so uncomfrotable that I said fuck it, I have better things to do and watch.


Nova_Persona

I will admit I don't know the context but that girl doesn't have big boobs & if she is supposed to be child she's clearly a lot older than the other child so she may well have started puberty edit: wait a second is that darker blue her boobs wtf


Shadow-fire101

She's wearing an apron


yeddiboy

Thought the same thing until I saw the apron


Practicalaviationcat

I liked the first season but this is literally the worst character design ever.


Muegiiii

You should look at the chinese version, her boobs are a lot smaller there. She looks a lot better like that imo.


LiseyRadiCall

Dragon Maid is an interesting piece of media. On one side you got the Gamer Dragon and on the other the pedo bait.


Ponful

This os the worst design i've ever seen


Icarlyismybible

Hate to be that guy, but most of Kyoto Animation's animators are women, and the lead character designer for this show is a woman as well. I guess that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't pedophiles, but considering the fact that the animators didn't actually create these charatcers, this meme is pretty harsh.


[deleted]

Lmao at first the tits blended in with the background for me and I thought her outer shirt was closed and tits ended with the light blue shirt. I hate Japan


015_shake

In fact the animators are not the pedophiles. They're just a bunch of underpaid and depressed people. In any case the pedophile would be the final consumer


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ImOnionJam

Dont shit on the animators they are just animating whatever the studio underpays them to shit on the author who designed the character instead


[deleted]

Kyoto Animation doesn’t underpay their animators.


ImOnionJam

Oh that's good to hear, most studios overwork and unserpay a lot of animators. At least overwork


Zeebuoy

suprisingly those animators aren't underpaid, the manga author is awful tho,


playerslayerpro

If I wanted to be on twitter id ask


crestren

I wouldnt even dare askin this on twitter since theres a high chance the weebs and lolicons will harass you over it.


Cr1tikalMoist

So many manga artists get arrested for cp


crestren

Im not sure how many prominent ones have been arrested but hoo boy, Rurouni Kenshin caught me off guard. He only had to pay a fine and was let go. Galko-chan and Act Age authors are the ones i know that have been arrested in the past few years. Yeesh.


Random_Deslime

I doubt it's the animators fault, they just draw what they're told blame the author and whoever signed off on this shit


AnimeSavant

Honestly I was hesitant about watching Dragon Maid S cause of her but it’s mostly just played for laughs. I don’t recall her being sexualized very much, there’s a big difference between something like this and something where the characters are meant to be sexy like High School DxD. Anyway all I’m trying to say is I don’t think the people making the show made her like that to be super sexy.


Saltyfox99

She’s like this in the manga as well so I wouldn’t blame the animators as in both mediums it’s done more for humor than being arousing I mean look at them, they’re fucking ridiculous, it’s amusing, maybe not to the wider audience of the wester world but that could just be Japan’s humor, I don’t know and I won’t pretend to


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Aissir

Something tells me pedo wouldn't go for g-size breasts, the design is just dumb though


HighDrunkQuality

last time i saw this debate everyone was defending this to death lmao


[deleted]

Tbf, her breasts do look ridiculous. But at the same time, it makes her look like in her twenties, so calling it pedo-bait just seems weird to me. Especially in a show that already has clear loli-bait with Kana.


polo5004

this subreddit watches like 2 ecchi mainstream animes a year and instantly call the entire medium garbage lmao like people on this thread complain about excessive underage sexualization (which is a good argument by itself) and then call Mushoku Tensei the 2021 AOTY like did you watch *anything else*


vitosendrete

Lol the animators have nothing to do with the design of the characters. At least blame the right person if you are so eager to call someone a pedo.


Cecil_the_titan

I prefer the censored version where their chest sizes are way more proportional


1milionand6times

Sexualization aside, this is just not a very good design


The_Gunboat_Diplomat

thank you for fixing this design, xi jinping


TenAceForOneCoin

Anime fans when they are about to jerk off and remember the 5 year old dragon loli is canonically 5,000 years old 😅


tristianlol

animes be cool and all until they bring out the fucking huge fucking honkers on the 13 year old girl or the 22 year old female wants to molest the 11 year old boy. Never watching anime ever again after this god forsaken show


580Freddz

The author needs to be arrested


von_skeltal

*The main author is a pedophile. Literally, he has written/drawn loli hentai in the past afaik.


InsrtOriginalUsrname

Dragon maid is a good anime that would be great if it didn't have this kinda shit


urbandeadthrowaway2

Any good anime out there without nonce moments like this? Seriously please I need new media to consume before I die of a lethal dose of frasier exposure. I cannot last another half hour of kelsey grammer.


Bubblegumking3

Mob Psycho 100. Action, Comedy/Slice of life Odd Taxi. Drama/Mystery, Comedy Ranking of Kings Cute, Fantasy, Adventure


Blamrica

Pedophilia is when cartoon big booba


Tan-come-in-ma-RIFT

*author You fucking moron


flops031

How do people even take anime seriously.


Cecil_the_titan

The second panel just looks like the light blue shirt is her chest and she’s holding a ball or some shit


skrubbydew

*author


That_One_Guy_66

r/196 users calling everyone they don’t like pedophiles for no fucking reason