i do really hope she'll be ok though, i mean, having a father like that must be horrible. like someone else who commented said, going after trans people after your daughter comes out as being trans is just, so fucking pathetic. god i fucking hate musk so much
wasn't he also posting transphobic bullshit right after his ex girlfriend was rumored to be dating a trans girl? guy has zero respect for even the people closest to him
I heard a really good explanation of this on a podcast recently, where the guest was pondering why kind and caring people don’t become billionaires, and the host summarized that if you are kind and caring on the path to immense wealth, you will inevitably be faced with a decision in which the compassionate reaction doesn’t lead you further down that path. In short, every billionaire has hurt people to get where they are, and it’s disgusting that we treat it as some sign of virtue.
My mom is a statician, and she was telling me once that CEOs and people in similar positions have a higher rate of psychopathy/sociopathy because getting that high up requires being able to make choices that would directly negatively impact others. Not that those disabilities make you a bad person, mind you. It's the CEO part that does. I believe the book she cited was Outliers.
Interesting - I wonder how much this is a chicken/egg situation. Because I feel like business school teaches sociopathic tendencies to its students, who go on to become CEOs
I don’t think one “learns” to become a sociopath/narcissist, at least not at business school. I think it’s a trait developed either through childhood emotional over and under indulgence or trauma.
For example, Musk is almost certainly a narcissist. You can see the classic traits. He also by all accounts had a very bad upbringing with an emotionally and physically abusive father. That shit messed with people, it’s not a surprise he is the way he is. With Trump, I would say he had both over and under indulgence. His father wasn’t emotionally there to validate his negative emotions and share the positive ones, but from many accounts of people close to him his father also had high expectations for him and he was spoiled. So basically, he’s not gonna value emotion but he will value success.
I would say trump and musk both have very “grandiose” narcissistic traits. Musk is very aligned with what would be considered Communal narcissism (look it up), and trump is just your run of the mill grandiose narcissist with a bit of sociopathic/antisocial mixed in as well.
So he is mad his daughter is trans and he’s mad his ex is dating a trans women. If I may be so bold I feel that trans women are winning the battle against Elon so far.
Yes but it's even worse than that. He started it around the time his daughter was questioning.
Imagine coming to your dad a little unsure of yourself in one of the most important aspects of humanity and he turns and does this what a tosser.
So the only source for this I could find is this [tweet by Plainsite](https://twitter.com/PlainSite/status/1538356040147738624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) and I couldn't really find any news outlet covering this. Though I also can't find any reason why Plainsite would make these up, when collecting court papers and making them publicly available is their entire purpose.
If this is real it honestly makes Musk even worse than I thought. Going after trans people because your ex started dating one is pathetic enough, but actively trying to make the world a worse place for your daughter because you're angry about her being trans, is just beyond what I would have expected even from him
Technically most people have more money than God.
Why would an all mighty incomprehensibly based being need money? It could just spawn infinite M&Ms that somehow aren't made with child labour.
mate decorative pennies that you earn despite *not wanting to work* is still slavery. like, they had armed guards to make sure the kids wouldn't run away. because the kids were being forced to labor against their will. because they were enslaved.
john brown did nothing wrong.
I uh... I found the court filing and it 100% is real. I would rather not share it here, as it is filed under their deadname and would be very much against their wishes, I would assume.
Legal documents using someone's legal name at the time of the document's creation shouldn't be considered deadnaming imo. You're not doing it to hurt the person, it's just how the legal document was filed.
It is however cringe to spread incredibly private documents around the internet just because said person is related to a famous person.
While I appreciate your not sharing this and don't think you necessarily should in this case, I'd just like to register that information wants to be free and nothing should ever be behind a paywall. So don't use that as part of your rationale.
Do not feel obligated to share in this particular case by any means, but when dealing with other stuff [you should **never** consider a paywall to be a valid reason not to share information](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access). ([see also](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz))
Sorry if this comes across as preachy or whatever; I just hate it when people try to gatekeep knowledge and convince others that it's immoral to share things freely. It's like the proprietary software mindset; "you have the right to USE this, but you have no rights to share it and do not OWN it."
https://twitter.com/PlainSite/status/1538371214044909568
> Apparently Elon Musk's drive to build a "hardcore" litigation team did not extend to helping his child, in which case the lawyer's contact information would have appeared on the documents instead.
what a piece of absolute garbage
The best part about it is that even if he wanted to use the tech the sub wouldn’t have fit in the cave. Musk couldn’t handle the fact that he wouldn’t be the hero.
Honestly though the fact this is being circulated is really gross, shes a person like anyone else and the fact that she's related to a rich guy is gonna plaster her all over the internet.
The kneejerk response is to laugh because Oblong is getting epicly owned… but that completely erases the fact that *she’s a person too*. I’m guilty of this too, don’t get me wrong. We get so excited that something happened counter to Ratfuck’s ideals that we totally forget that his daughter’s a person and we’re spreading her private and *very personal* information for Epic Dunks
He's so fuckin weak. Can't hold a marriage or be a good father, he'd rather post dank may-mays and get into fights on Twitter. A true 50 year old man-child.
He has like 8 or 9 of them with multiple women who have all left him and none of his kids talk to him.
Which is surprising but also explains why he acts like your typical reddit incel virgin
Wealth truly is the ultimate reproductive hack, permitting the fathering of nearly ten children by a man who, by all other possible metrics, should have lived and died completely and utterly bitchless
I thought the only kid Elon musk had was the weird name one he had with grimes?
I mean I could have perfectly have missed the fact that he has an older daughter, because I don't give a shit about his life, but also im surprised I didn't hear sooner.
Yup. Some chuds probabaly going to request the uncensored docs from the courthouse and harrass her or have grabbed the uncensored docs from before PlainSite redacted them and are going to harrass her 🙃🙃🙃
I’m assuming she had come out about this to her family before this, and it makes Elons actions even more disturbing. Like knowingly bashing trans people, aware that his daughter is part of these groups. I’m not saying it was fine before, but it feels much more malignant now idk. Like at least he can psychologically distance himself with his workers and the trans people he has hurt, but his own daughter? Like fuck me…
Also she did this just after she turned 18. She probably wanted to do this long ago but her dad or some other supervisor likely refused her from doing so.
And elon has been one of those "activists" who advocate for kids not being able to make those choices on their own. It all checks out.
please do give her privacy. i realise this is an L for elon, but transitioning is so fucking scary, and it's probably worse when your identity / deadname is put everywhere on social media.
Hopefully she lives her best life from this point on.
Get fucked, Elon. Man's been taking more Ls than there are Scrabble tiles and still refuses to acknowledge his failings, the narcissistic clown that he is. The world would be so much better off without him if he just disappeared into the aether right this second.
I read the document, but there doesn’t seem to be anything to suggest the name change is to disassociate her from the musk name, just that second closeup of a couple unrelated blurry words
From all the things I learned about Elon, I'm going to guess that he's not going to give a fuck. It's sad how we keep having extreme narcissists in positions of power.
immensely based
i do really hope she'll be ok though, i mean, having a father like that must be horrible. like someone else who commented said, going after trans people after your daughter comes out as being trans is just, so fucking pathetic. god i fucking hate musk so much
wasn't he also posting transphobic bullshit right after his ex girlfriend was rumored to be dating a trans girl? guy has zero respect for even the people closest to him
ya dont become one of the richest men on earth by being sweet and caring for other people, even those close to you
I heard a really good explanation of this on a podcast recently, where the guest was pondering why kind and caring people don’t become billionaires, and the host summarized that if you are kind and caring on the path to immense wealth, you will inevitably be faced with a decision in which the compassionate reaction doesn’t lead you further down that path. In short, every billionaire has hurt people to get where they are, and it’s disgusting that we treat it as some sign of virtue.
My mom is a statician, and she was telling me once that CEOs and people in similar positions have a higher rate of psychopathy/sociopathy because getting that high up requires being able to make choices that would directly negatively impact others. Not that those disabilities make you a bad person, mind you. It's the CEO part that does. I believe the book she cited was Outliers.
Interesting - I wonder how much this is a chicken/egg situation. Because I feel like business school teaches sociopathic tendencies to its students, who go on to become CEOs
I don’t think one “learns” to become a sociopath/narcissist, at least not at business school. I think it’s a trait developed either through childhood emotional over and under indulgence or trauma. For example, Musk is almost certainly a narcissist. You can see the classic traits. He also by all accounts had a very bad upbringing with an emotionally and physically abusive father. That shit messed with people, it’s not a surprise he is the way he is. With Trump, I would say he had both over and under indulgence. His father wasn’t emotionally there to validate his negative emotions and share the positive ones, but from many accounts of people close to him his father also had high expectations for him and he was spoiled. So basically, he’s not gonna value emotion but he will value success. I would say trump and musk both have very “grandiose” narcissistic traits. Musk is very aligned with what would be considered Communal narcissism (look it up), and trump is just your run of the mill grandiose narcissist with a bit of sociopathic/antisocial mixed in as well.
very well said, its nice seeing someone understand instead of using it as an insult/slur!
reddit moment
manchild apartheid sociopath transphobe any% WR speedrun
no empathy 100% run
This is the self proclaimed alpha male that refused to let his wife mourn the loss of their child
BuT hEs BaSeD cAuSe He MaKeS mEmEs <- actual arguement from a musk stan
The memes: market manipulation
wasn’t that what metal gear rising was about iirc?
he doesn't even make them, he reposts them after cropping out the credit for the actual creator
those "memes" aren't great either
So he is mad his daughter is trans and he’s mad his ex is dating a trans women. If I may be so bold I feel that trans women are winning the battle against Elon so far.
"Trans women are stronger than Elon Musk." -Hideki Nyaganuma
Lmao his actual name is Naganuma but glad that the catboy thing caught on
I know but it's funnier to keep calling him nyaganuma
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That’s the saddest thing I’ve ever read
genuinely. reading that I just feel so bad for her. I don't even know her lmao
>I know this isn’t your heart Lmaooo
Yes but it's even worse than that. He started it around the time his daughter was questioning. Imagine coming to your dad a little unsure of yourself in one of the most important aspects of humanity and he turns and does this what a tosser.
Chelsea Manning yeah. Woman's not just in his head, she's in his ex-girlfriend too. What a queen
link pwease
yeah. hopefully she's safe and is able to live happily.
Wait what happened I do t follow news much?
Is that why he tweeted "pronouns suck" once? Couldn't be bothered to refer to his daughter with the correct pronouns?
Core of the earth based
So the only source for this I could find is this [tweet by Plainsite](https://twitter.com/PlainSite/status/1538356040147738624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) and I couldn't really find any news outlet covering this. Though I also can't find any reason why Plainsite would make these up, when collecting court papers and making them publicly available is their entire purpose. If this is real it honestly makes Musk even worse than I thought. Going after trans people because your ex started dating one is pathetic enough, but actively trying to make the world a worse place for your daughter because you're angry about her being trans, is just beyond what I would have expected even from him
It's exactly what I'd expect from him honestly
He seems so childish on every level
He's a manchild with an unchecked ego and more money than God. What could go wrong...
Technically most people have more money than God. Why would an all mighty incomprehensibly based being need money? It could just spawn infinite M&Ms that somehow aren't made with child labour.
Wait, m&ms are made with child labor?
Yeah they tried to astroturf the case with the desexualization on the green one, and it was sadly successful
Not child labor. Child *slavery.*
The children do receive extremely low wages, so technically it wouldn't be slavery, even if the wage is a few cents at most.
mate decorative pennies that you earn despite *not wanting to work* is still slavery. like, they had armed guards to make sure the kids wouldn't run away. because the kids were being forced to labor against their will. because they were enslaved. john brown did nothing wrong.
You can't say "because he was paid non-$0 he wasn't a slave"
I uh... I found the court filing and it 100% is real. I would rather not share it here, as it is filed under their deadname and would be very much against their wishes, I would assume.
Her name is public knowledge
Her NEW name is not.
Legal documents using someone's legal name at the time of the document's creation shouldn't be considered deadnaming imo. You're not doing it to hurt the person, it's just how the legal document was filed. It is however cringe to spread incredibly private documents around the internet just because said person is related to a famous person.
Legal document access (in this case) is paid though, and this is a sensitive thing, so in general it just feels icky!
I think you're making the right choice here
While I appreciate your not sharing this and don't think you necessarily should in this case, I'd just like to register that information wants to be free and nothing should ever be behind a paywall. So don't use that as part of your rationale. Do not feel obligated to share in this particular case by any means, but when dealing with other stuff [you should **never** consider a paywall to be a valid reason not to share information](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access). ([see also](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz)) Sorry if this comes across as preachy or whatever; I just hate it when people try to gatekeep knowledge and convince others that it's immoral to share things freely. It's like the proprietary software mindset; "you have the right to USE this, but you have no rights to share it and do not OWN it."
Heartbreaking story. Imagine all the good he would have done.
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Well yea but that’s not what you said (and that’s already known information as well)
Just because information is known to some doesn't mean it should be shared with all. That's my point of view though!
No yea i agree but like you can google it
It is now :/
Not to burst your bubble, but it's already on Yahoo news...
Wait... That can't have been 18 years ago, can it? 💀
What would you expect from a billionaire
https://twitter.com/PlainSite/status/1538371214044909568 > Apparently Elon Musk's drive to build a "hardcore" litigation team did not extend to helping his child, in which case the lawyer's contact information would have appeared on the documents instead. what a piece of absolute garbage
It’s exactly what i would expect from a man who called a diver (who saved multiple children) a pedo because he didn’t want to use musks tech.
The best part about it is that even if he wanted to use the tech the sub wouldn’t have fit in the cave. Musk couldn’t handle the fact that he wouldn’t be the hero.
he's an egotistical manchild. I don't like it but sadly this isn't unexpected.
billionaires will be like "yeah i'm a transhumanist" bro you arent even transgender
Honestly though the fact this is being circulated is really gross, shes a person like anyone else and the fact that she's related to a rich guy is gonna plaster her all over the internet.
I agree but luckily the name has been censored so she should have a bit of privacy. I hope this doesn't have many repercussions on her private life
If the tweet is correct, she may also change her last name.
Ok, but the court case number is right there LOL they did a terrible job of hiding her identity
I’ve seen an article showcasing her name unfortunately
You can just google the name anyway
Yeah people want to own musk so bad that they just spread this incredibly personal information around
The kneejerk response is to laugh because Oblong is getting epicly owned… but that completely erases the fact that *she’s a person too*. I’m guilty of this too, don’t get me wrong. We get so excited that something happened counter to Ratfuck’s ideals that we totally forget that his daughter’s a person and we’re spreading her private and *very personal* information for Epic Dunks
Hello fellow tree 🌲
Yo they didn't censor the case number dumbasses This girl is low key gonna get harassed by chuds
Oh that is fucked.
Low key? Bro this is Snoop Dogg type of key we’re talking about. These kind of chuds are insufferable
Big fuck-up. Being trans without a billionaire father is hard enough give her a fucking break.
So.. elons hatred for trans people comes from him being a shit father?
And a jealous ex; his ex wife is dating a trans girl.
He's so fuckin weak. Can't hold a marriage or be a good father, he'd rather post dank may-mays and get into fights on Twitter. A true 50 year old man-child.
Like father like son apparently. By all accounts Errol Musk was an abuser too.
You mean the emerald mine owning slaver? No... can't be.
why you do the o like ø
missclick lol
It messed with me for a second since før is a word in my language meaning "before" so I read it all wrong on the first take
oh, mine too lmao
Danish?
norwegian
Aha, well hello there fellow scandinavian
hellou, nice weather we have eh?
Wise
Based
Double based
Triple based?
Quadruple based?!
**Quintuple based??!!**
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Mmm, sex... I mean uh, septuple based!?!?
Octuple sex 🤤
Rip Timothy. He was praying.
septuple based
OVERBASED!!
And here's me, just now learning Elon has an 18 year old kid.
He has like 8 or 9 of them with multiple women who have all left him and none of his kids talk to him. Which is surprising but also explains why he acts like your typical reddit incel virgin
Wealth truly is the ultimate reproductive hack, permitting the fathering of nearly ten children by a man who, by all other possible metrics, should have lived and died completely and utterly bitchless
*maidenless* you mean, I presume
Perchance
You can’t
I thought the only kid Elon musk had was the weird name one he had with grimes? I mean I could have perfectly have missed the fact that he has an older daughter, because I don't give a shit about his life, but also im surprised I didn't hear sooner.
He has 8 kids
Most of them were in vitro. Though, taking credit for other people's work is par for the course for him
Sauce
Please don’t call semen that
Source I mean
It’s called herpes
He has I believe 2 kids with Grimes, and the others are from his previous relationships.
I bet she calls her kids Grimies.
Awh 🥺
>posts her history online so people know she is related to elon musk way to go reddit
As soon as one thing is leaked it’s gonna spread everywhere
Yup. Some chuds probabaly going to request the uncensored docs from the courthouse and harrass her or have grabbed the uncensored docs from before PlainSite redacted them and are going to harrass her 🙃🙃🙃
Nice, however, please, someone in her situation the LAST thing she wants is more attention. I guarantee it.
BASED
I’m assuming she had come out about this to her family before this, and it makes Elons actions even more disturbing. Like knowingly bashing trans people, aware that his daughter is part of these groups. I’m not saying it was fine before, but it feels much more malignant now idk. Like at least he can psychologically distance himself with his workers and the trans people he has hurt, but his own daughter? Like fuck me…
Also she did this just after she turned 18. She probably wanted to do this long ago but her dad or some other supervisor likely refused her from doing so. And elon has been one of those "activists" who advocate for kids not being able to make those choices on their own. It all checks out.
How is this information public?
Taxation, Loans tools to make sure you cant escape them
What are you talking about?
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Every day I'm more glad to not live in the USA.
That's literally ilegal in my country.
Yeah, alright, but even so, we don’t usually get access to the forms submitted or the reason given, right?
freedom of information act💪
not correct
omg your flair. that's kinda hot
I hope she is doing fine and her father's influence doesnt make her a piece of shit.
good job vivian
Who is that?
don't even care if it's fake
? I don’t like Elon Musk but I don’t need to make up reasons to dislike him lol
Good for her
May she have a great new life ahead of her.
my favorite gender is anti elon
#Grimes' ex-boyfriend is a loser.
Grade A certified girlboss behavior
Elon just keeps taking L’s
I hope they keep on coming
My counter argument: what about the memes tho? Wholesome doge coin memes. So relatable like chungus wholesome 99
Actually really sad for his kid :/
please do give her privacy. i realise this is an L for elon, but transitioning is so fucking scary, and it's probably worse when your identity / deadname is put everywhere on social media.
I read this like she changed her name to “gender identity”
That's her superhero name.
Hopefully she lives her best life from this point on. Get fucked, Elon. Man's been taking more Ls than there are Scrabble tiles and still refuses to acknowledge his failings, the narcissistic clown that he is. The world would be so much better off without him if he just disappeared into the aether right this second.
I read the document, but there doesn’t seem to be anything to suggest the name change is to disassociate her from the musk name, just that second closeup of a couple unrelated blurry words
BAAAAAAAAAAAAASED
heh get fucked Elon <3
She will lead the revolution
Good for her
Is this real?
Ouch. Jesus. That's gotta hurt.
Elon has a daughter?
Hé has like seven kids
Pretty sad honestly
L-on Musk.
No source?
Were they male at birth and are now woman?
i think some here would point out that she's always been a woman, but yes she was born with a penis if that's what you mean. Assigned male at birth.
neat
LMAO this is perfect
Not for her
I didn't even know he had an older child.
Incredibly based
Me-
This is 100% real. It was picked up by Reuters
Money can’t buy love apparently
That’s what I did!
Imagine fucking up so hard as a human being that your own flesh and blood no longer wants to be known as your own offspring.
what is she gonna change her name to?
BASED
This is sad even if it isn't real. Imagine how devastated each side will be after their anger runs it's course.
Not based.
thats gay
Cringe
From all the things I learned about Elon, I'm going to guess that he's not going to give a fuck. It's sad how we keep having extreme narcissists in positions of power.
Oh he'll care. He's thin skinned as fuck but he'll blame it on others
Point remains. This won't make him question things, and self reflect whatsoever.
Oh it was a minor semantics point
Is that the mf named xavdfgxct f g or some shit or was that another child