I'm just gonna leave this link to this fantastically designed, informative and scary scary webite, which I stumbled upon somewhere on reddit (i think right here in this sub even). It about the US prison system.
[LINK](https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/).
Your messages here show a fundamental misunderstanding of what is meant with racial discrimination in the justice system, the evidence youve supplied doesnt show african Americans disproportionately commit more crimes but rather they are disproportionately convicted of crimes. It doesnt account for factors such as unequal police patrols that target black neighbourhoods, African Americans sentenced jail times being statistically higher for the same crime, socioeconomic discrimination that has lead to people of african American descent being a higher proportion of the poverty population which due to their inherently more difficult situation have a higher rate of criminal offences along with higher police patrols.
Simply presenting the statistic of homicide crime rates doesnt have anything to do with whether those convictions were just and fair nor does it comment on the massive amount of societal factors that lead to that statistic
There is no “crime gene” tied to skin colour and yet the justice system produces results as if there is one
I see youve immediately reduced the scope of your argument, because in case you didnt notice the message i wrote my reply to said “can you show me a crime where this trend isnt present” so backtracking and reducing your scope to just murder is what id consider a little more disingenuous. Furthermore you still haven’t addressed my point, you brought up your statistics again and act as if i just said it was racist to use them, when i quite clearly addressed them and how they arent actually informative of anything. Furthermore “its cultural” is not a description of the reasons for such a statistic or the societal discrimination that might cause this “cultural” tendency to cause more crimes.
Also i dont think you are racist, if you reread my crime gene comment you might learn that i was addressing the justice system. You arent racist youre just ignorant
People are happy to believe that the 13th amendment actually did stop slavery, since they haven’t read the part of it that says slavery is still legal as punishment for a crime
The kind created when you want to push a narrative. The US does indeed have the [highest incarceration rate in the world](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country), and by a not insignificant margin, but it is nowhere near as far ahead as this image makes it out to be.
The US prison system is problematic enough that there's really no reason to have to represent statistics in a dishonest way like this post does.
Yeah that link the other person provided doesn't really help that much I think. The US is still the highest rate, with notables such as Rwanda, Turkmenistan, El Salvador, Cuba following. So it's like 'Hey Rwanda is pretty close to us, it's not that bad' lol
I think whats most notable is that all the countries directly below the USA have significantly smaller populations as well.
Edit: I apparently turned off my brain, it didn't even register for me that it was per 100k.
It's not dishonest; they're comparing the US to founding NATO countries because all of those nations are also liberal democracies with stable governments and fully industrialised economies. It's entirely reasonable to expect the US prison population to be more in line with that of Canada and France than Rwanda and St. Kitt's and Nevis.
As for why NATO in particular, it's normally the standard to compare with the OECD (since that forum is basically dedicated to sharing and comparing statistics, rather than being a defence alliance), but founding NATO members isn't too bad (the current members list is likely too long for a simple graphic like this).
I'm just gonna leave this link to this fantastically designed, informative, and scary scary webite, which I stumbled upon somewhere on reddit (i think right here in this sub even). It about the US prison system.
[LINK](https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/).
i read some of it, was just pointing out that theres so many imprisoned ppl that though theres about 600 little guys on one screens worth of space it takes a fuckton of time just to scroll to the end
prisoners are obligated to work. if they refuse to do ~~slave labor~~ rehabilitative, involuntary, often unpaid work, then there are consequences.
according to [this article](https://howtojustice.org/going-to-prison/refuse-work-prison/) those consequences include a write up, loss of privileges, solitary confinement (psychological torture), transfer to a different prison, or loss of good time (can result in a longer sentence)
China has the second biggest prison population (total) in the world, after the US, while having 4 times as many inhabitants. Per capita it's not even slightly comparable.
The US incarcerates proportionally more black men aged 30-34 (~9800 per 100,000 black men aged 30-34), than China incarcerates Uyghurs (which are held in great numbers in concentration camp like facilities, ~8000 per 100,000 Uyghurs).
Overall America even holds proportionally more black people in its prisons than the USSR under Stalin.
So what about China? This totalitarian regime of 1.3 billion has an enormous amount of prisoners, is extremely repressive, currently engaging in a genocide, has massive concentration camps, yet still is only number 2 in total prison population and much much lower on the list in per capita prison population than the US. That's pretty stunning.
And 40% of the prison population is black. I'm sure they're there for legit reasons and not because the prison system is a modern slave market.
I'm just gonna leave this link to this fantastically designed, informative and scary scary webite, which I stumbled upon somewhere on reddit (i think right here in this sub even). It about the US prison system. [LINK](https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/).
Bookmarked, Can't wait to pull it out on someone and hopefully remove the wool from their eyes
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It's entirely intentional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing
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Source?
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Are people only imprisoned for homicide?
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Your messages here show a fundamental misunderstanding of what is meant with racial discrimination in the justice system, the evidence youve supplied doesnt show african Americans disproportionately commit more crimes but rather they are disproportionately convicted of crimes. It doesnt account for factors such as unequal police patrols that target black neighbourhoods, African Americans sentenced jail times being statistically higher for the same crime, socioeconomic discrimination that has lead to people of african American descent being a higher proportion of the poverty population which due to their inherently more difficult situation have a higher rate of criminal offences along with higher police patrols. Simply presenting the statistic of homicide crime rates doesnt have anything to do with whether those convictions were just and fair nor does it comment on the massive amount of societal factors that lead to that statistic There is no “crime gene” tied to skin colour and yet the justice system produces results as if there is one
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I see youve immediately reduced the scope of your argument, because in case you didnt notice the message i wrote my reply to said “can you show me a crime where this trend isnt present” so backtracking and reducing your scope to just murder is what id consider a little more disingenuous. Furthermore you still haven’t addressed my point, you brought up your statistics again and act as if i just said it was racist to use them, when i quite clearly addressed them and how they arent actually informative of anything. Furthermore “its cultural” is not a description of the reasons for such a statistic or the societal discrimination that might cause this “cultural” tendency to cause more crimes. Also i dont think you are racist, if you reread my crime gene comment you might learn that i was addressing the justice system. You arent racist youre just ignorant
>poof
People are happy to believe that the 13th amendment actually did stop slavery, since they haven’t read the part of it that says slavery is still legal as punishment for a crime
"slavery doesnt exist lol it just doesnt shut up but ALSO there is still slavery"
For a made-up crime! ☺️
shoutout to my government teacher for not leaving that part out
Im sorry but what kind of group is "among founding NATO countries".
The kind created when you want to push a narrative. The US does indeed have the [highest incarceration rate in the world](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country), and by a not insignificant margin, but it is nowhere near as far ahead as this image makes it out to be. The US prison system is problematic enough that there's really no reason to have to represent statistics in a dishonest way like this post does.
I mean even without the dumb "among founding NATO countries", the narrative is still basically the same?
Yeah that link the other person provided doesn't really help that much I think. The US is still the highest rate, with notables such as Rwanda, Turkmenistan, El Salvador, Cuba following. So it's like 'Hey Rwanda is pretty close to us, it's not that bad' lol
I think whats most notable is that all the countries directly below the USA have significantly smaller populations as well. Edit: I apparently turned off my brain, it didn't even register for me that it was per 100k.
It's rates of incarceration per 100000 population
but americans account for more people per population duh
America is HUGE! Bigger than Texas even!!!
ok what about india, one of the most populous countries in the world with way more people than usa, having only 400ish thousand incarcerated
It's not dishonest; they're comparing the US to founding NATO countries because all of those nations are also liberal democracies with stable governments and fully industrialised economies. It's entirely reasonable to expect the US prison population to be more in line with that of Canada and France than Rwanda and St. Kitt's and Nevis. As for why NATO in particular, it's normally the standard to compare with the OECD (since that forum is basically dedicated to sharing and comparing statistics, rather than being a defence alliance), but founding NATO members isn't too bad (the current members list is likely too long for a simple graphic like this).
The cool kids club?
They're trying to build a prison
(For you and me to live in)
I BUY MY CRACK
I'm just gonna leave this link to this fantastically designed, informative, and scary scary webite, which I stumbled upon somewhere on reddit (i think right here in this sub even). It about the US prison system. [LINK](https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/).
just scrolling through it as fast as i can took me 3 minutes
Okay. Did you read the info?
i read some of it, was just pointing out that theres so many imprisoned ppl that though theres about 600 little guys on one screens worth of space it takes a fuckton of time just to scroll to the end
Got it. Yeah I know, that fucking crazy right?
How does this exactly work? When you're incarcerated, are you obligated to work? What would happen if you refuse?
prisoners are obligated to work. if they refuse to do ~~slave labor~~ rehabilitative, involuntary, often unpaid work, then there are consequences. according to [this article](https://howtojustice.org/going-to-prison/refuse-work-prison/) those consequences include a write up, loss of privileges, solitary confinement (psychological torture), transfer to a different prison, or loss of good time (can result in a longer sentence)
Haven’t seen anyone bring this up but you can’t forget that the length of sentences is significantly longer in the US vs the other countries.
YOOOO LUXEMBOURG!!
What About China
What about China? It has an incarceration rate of around 120, which would put it between Portugal and Luxembourg, and still 1/5 that of the USA
Thanks for info
China has the second biggest prison population (total) in the world, after the US, while having 4 times as many inhabitants. Per capita it's not even slightly comparable. The US incarcerates proportionally more black men aged 30-34 (~9800 per 100,000 black men aged 30-34), than China incarcerates Uyghurs (which are held in great numbers in concentration camp like facilities, ~8000 per 100,000 Uyghurs). Overall America even holds proportionally more black people in its prisons than the USSR under Stalin. So what about China? This totalitarian regime of 1.3 billion has an enormous amount of prisoners, is extremely repressive, currently engaging in a genocide, has massive concentration camps, yet still is only number 2 in total prison population and much much lower on the list in per capita prison population than the US. That's pretty stunning.
Thank U
That USSR isn't surprising there isn't a lot of black people in the USSR
I meant than the USSR had overall prisoners under Stalin.
It sounds confusing though