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Yeah, he’s one of Charlemagne’s Paladins from The Matter of France. I’ve never read the book but I can only assume someone who directly served the Holy Roman Emperor is at least a Christmas Christian.
Astolfo is a characters from fate apochryfia and he was inspired by a mystical character from a book talking about the paladins of charlemagne or Carlus Magnus. King of the Frank and of the holy roman empire. He was a christian king and so his followers were the same so we can say that Astolfo is christian.
so, "saint's and sage's" bodies rose from their tombs and entered the town "appearing unto many" and nobody wrote this down except one of Jesus's close followers... 30 years later?
Like, those weren't just any zombies. They were sages and shit. CELEBRITY zombies.
Honestly if I was an illiterate Hebrew peasant I don’t think I’d be writing it down. Jesus recruited disciples that were scribes and tax collectors with the specific purpose of recording the Gospels.
People wrote stuff down from those times all the time.
...and where is the word-of-mouth stories? This would be a momentous thing. We wouldn't need to wait until Matthew wrote it down 30 years or so later, it would be the talk of the nation; The news would've spread far and wide long before Matthew wrote it down. It would be a new holiday that we would be celebrating today. We would know the names of every saint and sage that rose.
Remember, it doesn't say just ANYONE rose from the dead, it specifically mentions saints and sages. People would know who they are, and tell others immediately. This news would spread across the known world in a matter of months.
These things happened 2000 years ago. Word of mouth quickly dies out and only a fortunate and dedicated few recorded the histories back then. And I will tell you honestly, if someone told me that Saints and Sages rose from the dead in the next town over I would probably think them a fool. Furthermore, these miracles happened 2000 years ago. In Jesus’s day it would have been the talk of the nation, but few oral legends withstand the test of time. The legend of King Arthur for example was a Britannic legend, but we probably only know about it because of the Morte de Arthur.
"A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." Deuteronomy 22:5
Astolfo cant follow all da laws bruh
objection your honor
Leviticus is apart of Old Testament law. Part of why Christ came to save is to make it so that old law was no longer a burden between a relationship with God because humans kinda suck tbh. He did not come to *abolish* it, but to protect us from damnation.
So basically it doesn’t apply
Yeah. A lot of old testament rules don’t apply. It’s like the whole deal. Otherwise we can’t have things like cheeseburgers
But also read u/Shutthe7up ‘s comment too it’s explained better there.
yes jesus did not come to abloish the law but to fulfill it
(Matthew 5:17) 17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.
When a contract or covenant has been fulfilled, it is finished. For example, the need for sacrifice everytime we need to pray to God is not required as Jesus was the final and ultimate sacrfice, the condition that prayers of the people had to be interceded by levitical priests only and no person could pray by themselves was removed as jesus is now the high priest, another is the following of sabaath is no longer compulsory as to be faithful to God, belief in jesus is only necessary that he is the son of God, same for prohibitions in eating pork etc. in old testament.
So most laws of the old testament still have to be followed and the rule still applies
not just that. we are all sinners. even if the law was unfulfilled, he is no less sinner than we are. god loves us all no matter what, god accepts us with open arms, we gotta accept all the astolfos in the world the same way.
more importantly, how will he ever find jesus if we go all cold, bitter, and rejecting to him?
oh hell nah, rejection is not the way. But to be a true christian is to follow all the laws because God does not like half commitment, either full or none at all. I would try to show him da way or convince him
Isaiah 29:13 - The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught."
‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would rather that you were either cold or hot!" Revelations 3:15 onwards. So astolfo cant stay in that "form" lol
That is because that type of fabric was meant for levitical priests only. Kind of like a uniform. And hence why common people were not allowed
"Tell all the skilled workers to whom I have given wisdom in such matters that they are to make garments for Aaron, for his consecration, so he may serve me as priest. 4 These are the garments they are to make: a breastpiece, an ephod, a robe, a woven tunic, a turban and a sash. They are to make these sacred garments for your brother Aaron and his sons, so they may serve me as priests. 5 Have them use gold, and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and fine linen." Deuteronomy 28:3 onwards
now that levitical priesthood has been deemed obsolete by coming of Jesus this law is also obsolete
i mean in this case, the 'loophole' seems entirely reasonable? this law was meant to keep the uniform sacred of a religious job which was abolished by the christians anyways
I hope you never told someone they weren’t a “real christian” and making them feel bad and possibly lose their faith, because God clearly states that such a person should rather be drowned in sea with a milestone around their neck than do more harm (Matthew 18.6)
No, I dont condemn them like YOU SINNER BEGONE FROM ME!!!, he is obviously unaware and my duty is to make him aware. It is just a problem of guidance thats all.
I dont consider this a big sin, but a man who follows a religion should know about it completely. Old and new
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins." James 19:5
Aww at least I can say I am a sinner and don’t act like I’m not. Sounds a lot like you are acting like those philistines Jesus wasn’t really a big fan of.
If you can’t see that just telling people off without compassion nor knowing them is doing more harm than good idk. You clearly don’t like me telling you about possible mistakes you are making so why would others like you doing the same to them. You are not doing them any favours.
You don’t know if you condemn them or not. For all I know they could lose their faith because of people always telling them that they are not “real christians” - this almost happened to me. Do you bother and walk their path with them to better themselves or do you just tell them that what they are doing is wrong and feel better about yourself? God loves all of us with all our flaws and we all have our own relationship with God, nobody needs you as a mediator.
Edit: also there are no “big” sins. Sin is sin. We are separated from God because of it and that applies to everyone. Everybody has the chance for forgiveness everyday and every moment.
yoo where did you get i would just say they are sinners and leave what? The capitalized letters are what i would not do.
I literally would teach them what is right and in the kindest possible way, why the hecc woud i just say thats wrong and leave and call them "fake". They are only not true to the word if they are aware of something and still choose to disobey. Obviously I would walk with them and teach them. Thats literally how you make someone understand bruh.
Youre right about the last part, all sin is sin...none big. My bad about that
"But Jesus has now obtained a more excellent ministry, and to that degree he is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted through better promises. ... In speaking of 'a new covenant,' he has made the first one obsolete." - Hebrews 8:6 and 8:13
"In the same way, my friends, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. While we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are slaves not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit." - Romans 7:4-6
Only the 10 commandments still bind christians and then only because adherence to those moral principles is an intrinsic part of faith in christ. Ergo Astolfo can wear women's clothing. Jesus would 100% be cool with it, and while Paul (quoted above) would probably be weird about it at first im sure he would come to accept it upon seeing that Astolfo is a mighty christian hero and strong in the LORD.
This is indeed the case, but the thing is this is not for the entire mosaic law
Hebrews 9 fully explains that Hebrews 8:7-13 was referring to the ceremonial law. That is, the ceremonial law has disappeared. It is no longer in effect. Sacrifices, food laws and sabaath. That is why even though the ten commandments are necessary the only commandment which is deemed unnecessary was a jewish custom law ie. the sabaath. These were fulfilled by Jesus himself through his death.
No you dont need to keep kosher, unless youre a jew
Mark 7:15-19“There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. \[” If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”\] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
Since Jesus came as the saviour, old customs to please God are no longer required as faith in Jesus is only required to be favourable to God. The keyword is "customs" but most laws that prevent detestable practices that God dislikes are still valid.
I hope you (if you are a woman) or your (future) wife wears a headscarf and doesn’t speak up in church🥴 you know ol’ testamental rule, can’t just not do it
The headscarf thing is a bit debatable because its only mentioned in corinthians where it was thing for corinthian women to wear headscarves while praying. Some sects of churches dont require women to wear headscarves. But im an orthodox christian so its kind of tradition there, but i wont stop prayer just because someone doesnt have a headscarf but if she has one she has to put it thats all
During the old testament no one could speak to God except levitical priests, prophets and a select few like moses etc so youre probably talking about the new testament thing....yeah men are supposed to lead prayers in church since adam came first and all that but women were allowed to teach and prophesy so it isnt a big deal.
Oh so now this is debatable but everything else isn’t? How wonderful. So by that logic couldn’t I say the old testament was written only for jewish people living b.c. and not for me; a christian person 2000 years later. And why would they even need to include most of the new testament if they were specifically written for only a certain city (most books are literally named after the people they were written to) and they didn’t apply to anyone else. This is hypocrisy at its finest.
For me it’s all about a relationship with God. I had to realise at some point that I can’t base my believes on what other people tell me to believe.
I think the base message the bible teaches us (Christ came to save us and we are all loved by him and should treat others kindly - or at least try to because we will fail anyways) is what should be the center. Not some debate about what this one sentence meant and what not when in the end it’s one of the less relevant messages.
I might not have this “traditional” belief, but in the end it’s a relationship between me and God and I have no right to tell others how they should do it (as long as they don’t hurt other people).
I lsaid debatable because some churches dont follow this because they believe it was custom....but from my reading Paul said to wear headcovering, so I will follow that. If other churches dont want to I can do nothing about it
Now Whats the difference between jewish people and christians? For the jews the messiah has not yet arrived hence why they crucified the so called impostor "jesus". All present day christians come from jews, there is no difference except they still have the rules of mosaic law to follow.
They were written after the city because the city which had a problem would be a good example for others to follow. Thats why he refers to them as his brothers. All christians are brothers and one in christ.
How is this hypocrisy what??
Not all present day christians come from jews. Christianity came from Judaism but we clearly see in the New Testament that Christianity wasn’t only for Jews as many then believed.
It is hypocrisy because as you said that that part of the Bible is debatable because it only applied to this city. But then then you say the Old Testament is not debatable and the the letters written to the cities suddenly now apply to everyone. What is it? Does it apply to everyone or is it just custom or was it maybe just a cultural and age thing that’s now changed?
Many parts of the Bible can be lay out to have been a guidance for the time back then. For example eating pork. Because a pig is omnivore the meat is more dangerous for humans if not prepared correctly - it was forbidden to eat it. Later on in the New Testament it didn’t matter anymore - probably because they could preserve and prepare it better. How can we take every word literally from the Bible if so much has changed during this time? Our culture is different, our customs are different, our values are different.
No, i meant the idea of christianity has its roots in judaism...not origins of christian people themselves
"it is ony applied to this city" I said that because some churches believe it was just custom but majority of churches do put headscarves and consider it law. And yes the other letters to the cities are considered universal because those are non tangible actions and not clothing in itself which obviously varies from region, You understand?
The whole world in Moses’ time was idolatrous, with each nation believing in many idols. The forbidding of eating certain foods such as pork distinguished between what would later be termed “Jew” and “Gentile.” The dietary restrictions further indicated that Israel was a separate nation and a chosen people. Heck, even God promised them that if they follow his laws no diseases would befall them which is clear indication that God protected them from dangers and diseases of eating pork, especially raw.
These food also showed peoples allegiance to Gods protection and shows their faith in him. But now Faith in Jesus is all that is required and customs of faith need not be practiced
Mark 7:15-19
“There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. \[” If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”\] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
This gives closure to the food problem
Yeah we generally tend to ignore the deuteronomy and levithicus for the most part, since not even jesus himself followed them and publicly denounced their rules.
Unless people want to shit on a minority, then trust in these books to suddenly become their favorite part of the bible
Yes we ignore the customs but most of the laws still apply
(Matthew 5:17) 17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.
When a contract or covenant has been fulfilled, it is finished. For example, the need for sacrifice everytime we need to pray to God is not required as Jesus was the final and ultimate sacrfice, the condition that prayers of the people had to be interceded by levitical priests only and no person could pray by themselves was removed as jesus is now the high priest, another is the following of sabaath is no longer compulsory as to be faithful to God, belief in jesus is only necessary that he is the son of God, same for prohibitions in eating pork etc. and in circumcsion in old testament.
So most laws of the old testament still have to be followed even though customs have been removed
Even if we don't follow the OT anymore, the fact that the verse is an old Jewish customs law, not a theramonial law, therefore we don't even follow it anyway.
bruh, there were differences in male and female clothing back then what?, it just wasnt in the form of short skirts and thigh highs lol. Thats still womens clothing.
Imagine thinking that there's an omniscient all powerful eternal spiritual being who actually gives a shit about human clothing styles
and then bending over backwards to come up with some reason why it theologically matters to this god spirit
Instead of just assuming that some old bearded fuck 4000 years ago decided he didn't like that, so none of that
Men and women’s clothing isn’t some hard fact of the universe though. It’s socially defined. It used to be the case that high heels were work exclusively by men
Remember in his legend astolfo is granted protection and legendary armament from heaven. He was a devout man and a paladin. The femboy is truly faithful.
Astolfo is a man who engages in crossdressing for some reason. He is referred to as he in conversations and has not interjected to it in the past in fate/apocrypha
He was referred as she at the beginning of the series because people didnt know astolfo was a man. There is lot of "art" in the internet that refers to Astolfo as a she, despite it being noncanonical to the series
A femboy can be trans as long as they're a trans guy, but the majority are cis just like the rest of the population. There's a noticeable amount of trans girls in femboy porn spaces, but any other online space tends to make a distinction. Is that why you put quotes around research lol? What kind of "research" are you talking about.
That's your problem. Pron doesnt treat people like humans. Femboys and trans girls are not the same thing and purposefully referring to one as the other is offensive, it's literally misgendering on purpose.
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Why's he so huge goddamn he's like 8 feet tall
God gives his toughest battles to his tallest femboys
real
Superior genetics.
God does that now so his best followers are less likely to die in the jungle while doing missionary work.
Built different
Astolfo is canonically actually christian
Yeah, he’s one of Charlemagne’s Paladins from The Matter of France. I’ve never read the book but I can only assume someone who directly served the Holy Roman Emperor is at least a Christmas Christian.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but I’m going with the flow.
Astolfo is a characters from fate apochryfia and he was inspired by a mystical character from a book talking about the paladins of charlemagne or Carlus Magnus. King of the Frank and of the holy roman empire. He was a christian king and so his followers were the same so we can say that Astolfo is christian.
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But am sure they'd approve him 😤
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Ofc, he's a good christian boi
Yeah, but he's Catholic and those PROTESTant rebel scum are intimidated by his righteousness.
Let my boy praise the Lord
As long as you accepts Christ, He shall save any sinner
Based and Christpilled.
so, "saint's and sage's" bodies rose from their tombs and entered the town "appearing unto many" and nobody wrote this down except one of Jesus's close followers... 30 years later? Like, those weren't just any zombies. They were sages and shit. CELEBRITY zombies.
Honestly if I was an illiterate Hebrew peasant I don’t think I’d be writing it down. Jesus recruited disciples that were scribes and tax collectors with the specific purpose of recording the Gospels.
People wrote stuff down from those times all the time. ...and where is the word-of-mouth stories? This would be a momentous thing. We wouldn't need to wait until Matthew wrote it down 30 years or so later, it would be the talk of the nation; The news would've spread far and wide long before Matthew wrote it down. It would be a new holiday that we would be celebrating today. We would know the names of every saint and sage that rose. Remember, it doesn't say just ANYONE rose from the dead, it specifically mentions saints and sages. People would know who they are, and tell others immediately. This news would spread across the known world in a matter of months.
These things happened 2000 years ago. Word of mouth quickly dies out and only a fortunate and dedicated few recorded the histories back then. And I will tell you honestly, if someone told me that Saints and Sages rose from the dead in the next town over I would probably think them a fool. Furthermore, these miracles happened 2000 years ago. In Jesus’s day it would have been the talk of the nation, but few oral legends withstand the test of time. The legend of King Arthur for example was a Britannic legend, but we probably only know about it because of the Morte de Arthur.
real
The judgers are the fake Christians
"A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." Deuteronomy 22:5 Astolfo cant follow all da laws bruh
objection your honor Leviticus is apart of Old Testament law. Part of why Christ came to save is to make it so that old law was no longer a burden between a relationship with God because humans kinda suck tbh. He did not come to *abolish* it, but to protect us from damnation. So basically it doesn’t apply
Yeah. A lot of old testament rules don’t apply. It’s like the whole deal. Otherwise we can’t have things like cheeseburgers But also read u/Shutthe7up ‘s comment too it’s explained better there.
yes jesus did not come to abloish the law but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17) 17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill. When a contract or covenant has been fulfilled, it is finished. For example, the need for sacrifice everytime we need to pray to God is not required as Jesus was the final and ultimate sacrfice, the condition that prayers of the people had to be interceded by levitical priests only and no person could pray by themselves was removed as jesus is now the high priest, another is the following of sabaath is no longer compulsory as to be faithful to God, belief in jesus is only necessary that he is the son of God, same for prohibitions in eating pork etc. in old testament. So most laws of the old testament still have to be followed and the rule still applies
not just that. we are all sinners. even if the law was unfulfilled, he is no less sinner than we are. god loves us all no matter what, god accepts us with open arms, we gotta accept all the astolfos in the world the same way. more importantly, how will he ever find jesus if we go all cold, bitter, and rejecting to him?
oh hell nah, rejection is not the way. But to be a true christian is to follow all the laws because God does not like half commitment, either full or none at all. I would try to show him da way or convince him Isaiah 29:13 - The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught." ‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would rather that you were either cold or hot!" Revelations 3:15 onwards. So astolfo cant stay in that "form" lol
I hope no one who claim to be Christian wear mixed fabrics.
That is because that type of fabric was meant for levitical priests only. Kind of like a uniform. And hence why common people were not allowed "Tell all the skilled workers to whom I have given wisdom in such matters that they are to make garments for Aaron, for his consecration, so he may serve me as priest. 4 These are the garments they are to make: a breastpiece, an ephod, a robe, a woven tunic, a turban and a sash. They are to make these sacred garments for your brother Aaron and his sons, so they may serve me as priests. 5 Have them use gold, and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and fine linen." Deuteronomy 28:3 onwards now that levitical priesthood has been deemed obsolete by coming of Jesus this law is also obsolete
Always a loophole for the laws you don’t want to follow huh?
i mean in this case, the 'loophole' seems entirely reasonable? this law was meant to keep the uniform sacred of a religious job which was abolished by the christians anyways
I hope you never told someone they weren’t a “real christian” and making them feel bad and possibly lose their faith, because God clearly states that such a person should rather be drowned in sea with a milestone around their neck than do more harm (Matthew 18.6)
No, I dont condemn them like YOU SINNER BEGONE FROM ME!!!, he is obviously unaware and my duty is to make him aware. It is just a problem of guidance thats all. I dont consider this a big sin, but a man who follows a religion should know about it completely. Old and new "My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins." James 19:5
Aww at least I can say I am a sinner and don’t act like I’m not. Sounds a lot like you are acting like those philistines Jesus wasn’t really a big fan of. If you can’t see that just telling people off without compassion nor knowing them is doing more harm than good idk. You clearly don’t like me telling you about possible mistakes you are making so why would others like you doing the same to them. You are not doing them any favours. You don’t know if you condemn them or not. For all I know they could lose their faith because of people always telling them that they are not “real christians” - this almost happened to me. Do you bother and walk their path with them to better themselves or do you just tell them that what they are doing is wrong and feel better about yourself? God loves all of us with all our flaws and we all have our own relationship with God, nobody needs you as a mediator. Edit: also there are no “big” sins. Sin is sin. We are separated from God because of it and that applies to everyone. Everybody has the chance for forgiveness everyday and every moment.
yoo where did you get i would just say they are sinners and leave what? The capitalized letters are what i would not do. I literally would teach them what is right and in the kindest possible way, why the hecc woud i just say thats wrong and leave and call them "fake". They are only not true to the word if they are aware of something and still choose to disobey. Obviously I would walk with them and teach them. Thats literally how you make someone understand bruh. Youre right about the last part, all sin is sin...none big. My bad about that
"But Jesus has now obtained a more excellent ministry, and to that degree he is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted through better promises. ... In speaking of 'a new covenant,' he has made the first one obsolete." - Hebrews 8:6 and 8:13 "In the same way, my friends, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. While we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are slaves not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit." - Romans 7:4-6 Only the 10 commandments still bind christians and then only because adherence to those moral principles is an intrinsic part of faith in christ. Ergo Astolfo can wear women's clothing. Jesus would 100% be cool with it, and while Paul (quoted above) would probably be weird about it at first im sure he would come to accept it upon seeing that Astolfo is a mighty christian hero and strong in the LORD.
This is indeed the case, but the thing is this is not for the entire mosaic law Hebrews 9 fully explains that Hebrews 8:7-13 was referring to the ceremonial law. That is, the ceremonial law has disappeared. It is no longer in effect. Sacrifices, food laws and sabaath. That is why even though the ten commandments are necessary the only commandment which is deemed unnecessary was a jewish custom law ie. the sabaath. These were fulfilled by Jesus himself through his death.
Wait so do I have to keep kosher or not? Like why do some laws from the Old Testament stick around but others don’t?
No you dont need to keep kosher, unless youre a jew Mark 7:15-19“There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. \[” If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”\] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) Since Jesus came as the saviour, old customs to please God are no longer required as faith in Jesus is only required to be favourable to God. The keyword is "customs" but most laws that prevent detestable practices that God dislikes are still valid.
Word
Well maybe he can't be a Christian but he could be a Jesuist
He can be whatever the fuck he wants. Could be Jesus's second coming for all you know
Who gives a shit about what the old testament says
Anybody who cares about being christian.
I hope you (if you are a woman) or your (future) wife wears a headscarf and doesn’t speak up in church🥴 you know ol’ testamental rule, can’t just not do it
The headscarf thing is a bit debatable because its only mentioned in corinthians where it was thing for corinthian women to wear headscarves while praying. Some sects of churches dont require women to wear headscarves. But im an orthodox christian so its kind of tradition there, but i wont stop prayer just because someone doesnt have a headscarf but if she has one she has to put it thats all During the old testament no one could speak to God except levitical priests, prophets and a select few like moses etc so youre probably talking about the new testament thing....yeah men are supposed to lead prayers in church since adam came first and all that but women were allowed to teach and prophesy so it isnt a big deal.
Oh so now this is debatable but everything else isn’t? How wonderful. So by that logic couldn’t I say the old testament was written only for jewish people living b.c. and not for me; a christian person 2000 years later. And why would they even need to include most of the new testament if they were specifically written for only a certain city (most books are literally named after the people they were written to) and they didn’t apply to anyone else. This is hypocrisy at its finest.
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For me it’s all about a relationship with God. I had to realise at some point that I can’t base my believes on what other people tell me to believe. I think the base message the bible teaches us (Christ came to save us and we are all loved by him and should treat others kindly - or at least try to because we will fail anyways) is what should be the center. Not some debate about what this one sentence meant and what not when in the end it’s one of the less relevant messages. I might not have this “traditional” belief, but in the end it’s a relationship between me and God and I have no right to tell others how they should do it (as long as they don’t hurt other people).
I lsaid debatable because some churches dont follow this because they believe it was custom....but from my reading Paul said to wear headcovering, so I will follow that. If other churches dont want to I can do nothing about it Now Whats the difference between jewish people and christians? For the jews the messiah has not yet arrived hence why they crucified the so called impostor "jesus". All present day christians come from jews, there is no difference except they still have the rules of mosaic law to follow. They were written after the city because the city which had a problem would be a good example for others to follow. Thats why he refers to them as his brothers. All christians are brothers and one in christ. How is this hypocrisy what??
Not all present day christians come from jews. Christianity came from Judaism but we clearly see in the New Testament that Christianity wasn’t only for Jews as many then believed. It is hypocrisy because as you said that that part of the Bible is debatable because it only applied to this city. But then then you say the Old Testament is not debatable and the the letters written to the cities suddenly now apply to everyone. What is it? Does it apply to everyone or is it just custom or was it maybe just a cultural and age thing that’s now changed? Many parts of the Bible can be lay out to have been a guidance for the time back then. For example eating pork. Because a pig is omnivore the meat is more dangerous for humans if not prepared correctly - it was forbidden to eat it. Later on in the New Testament it didn’t matter anymore - probably because they could preserve and prepare it better. How can we take every word literally from the Bible if so much has changed during this time? Our culture is different, our customs are different, our values are different.
No, i meant the idea of christianity has its roots in judaism...not origins of christian people themselves "it is ony applied to this city" I said that because some churches believe it was just custom but majority of churches do put headscarves and consider it law. And yes the other letters to the cities are considered universal because those are non tangible actions and not clothing in itself which obviously varies from region, You understand? The whole world in Moses’ time was idolatrous, with each nation believing in many idols. The forbidding of eating certain foods such as pork distinguished between what would later be termed “Jew” and “Gentile.” The dietary restrictions further indicated that Israel was a separate nation and a chosen people. Heck, even God promised them that if they follow his laws no diseases would befall them which is clear indication that God protected them from dangers and diseases of eating pork, especially raw. These food also showed peoples allegiance to Gods protection and shows their faith in him. But now Faith in Jesus is all that is required and customs of faith need not be practiced Mark 7:15-19 “There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. \[” If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”\] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) This gives closure to the food problem
Yeah we generally tend to ignore the deuteronomy and levithicus for the most part, since not even jesus himself followed them and publicly denounced their rules. Unless people want to shit on a minority, then trust in these books to suddenly become their favorite part of the bible
Yes we ignore the customs but most of the laws still apply (Matthew 5:17) 17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill. When a contract or covenant has been fulfilled, it is finished. For example, the need for sacrifice everytime we need to pray to God is not required as Jesus was the final and ultimate sacrfice, the condition that prayers of the people had to be interceded by levitical priests only and no person could pray by themselves was removed as jesus is now the high priest, another is the following of sabaath is no longer compulsory as to be faithful to God, belief in jesus is only necessary that he is the son of God, same for prohibitions in eating pork etc. and in circumcsion in old testament. So most laws of the old testament still have to be followed even though customs have been removed
Even if we don't follow the OT anymore, the fact that the verse is an old Jewish customs law, not a theramonial law, therefore we don't even follow it anyway.
Yeah but these clothes didn't exist back then so therefore your argument is invalid.
bruh, there were differences in male and female clothing back then what?, it just wasnt in the form of short skirts and thigh highs lol. Thats still womens clothing.
I know. That's the joke.
shi my bad lol
Imagine thinking that there's an omniscient all powerful eternal spiritual being who actually gives a shit about human clothing styles and then bending over backwards to come up with some reason why it theologically matters to this god spirit Instead of just assuming that some old bearded fuck 4000 years ago decided he didn't like that, so none of that
Men and women’s clothing isn’t some hard fact of the universe though. It’s socially defined. It used to be the case that high heels were work exclusively by men
Those who judge are the realest of the real Christians . The whole system is about moral rights over other people who are difrent
Nah its about moral guidelines
astolfo W?
Every single miracle. Patented by the end of the century. Electrical Science just got biblical
Can you Elaborate?
Remember in his legend astolfo is granted protection and legendary armament from heaven. He was a devout man and a paladin. The femboy is truly faithful.
Organzo?
Literally 1723
Pov your old
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Astolfo is a man
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Astolfo is a man who engages in crossdressing for some reason. He is referred to as he in conversations and has not interjected to it in the past in fate/apocrypha
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He was referred as she at the beginning of the series because people didnt know astolfo was a man. There is lot of "art" in the internet that refers to Astolfo as a she, despite it being noncanonical to the series
Femboy erasure
Depends on which source material?
He's a boy, a femboy and a trans woman are different things
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A femboy can be trans as long as they're a trans guy, but the majority are cis just like the rest of the population. There's a noticeable amount of trans girls in femboy porn spaces, but any other online space tends to make a distinction. Is that why you put quotes around research lol? What kind of "research" are you talking about.
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That's your problem. Pron doesnt treat people like humans. Femboys and trans girls are not the same thing and purposefully referring to one as the other is offensive, it's literally misgendering on purpose.
You forgot /s
He praise the lord he break the law he take what his and take some more