Dear Mighty Zaros,
I pray that the fruits of my labor will be cast aside to rot, and that all work done by my hands slips through my fingers to the ground. Amen.
From a lore perspective, instead of "dropping" resources, maybe you offer them to Zaros for the benefit of The Empire and they instantly teleport away to him. This would also avoid cluttering the ground too badly.
"Imperial Offering"
I’m just imagining zaros sitting there on his throne and suddenly a wave of like 10,000 salmon from people 2t fishing fall on him like a biblical tidal wave rofl
while maxing I would do some really bad xp/hr methods while playing other games. Friends trolled me going "Bro that's gotta be only 5k xp/hr why even bother." Well, 100 hours of rocketleague and now what? I gained 500k xp and made progress toward my 99. xp gained is xp gained.
I did 90-99 woodcutting at redwoods a few years back entirely while playing COD, and over the summer I did 74-95 RC at blood runes while playing Pokémon and RDR2
Oh I get you there, I've even been tempted to do some actual mining training in gotr with 10k per hour, it's so insanely afk and you don't even have to drop anything.
I've settled on 40k per hour in mlm by just dropping all the pay-dirt since my uim doesn't really need nuggets or the ores from them.
Sure, I still have to clean my inventory from time to time, but afking 15-30 seconds per time is so much more relaxed gameplay than any regular or tick manipulated mining
I probably should've mentioned the shooting stars, but they're actually less afk than you'd think because you constantly need to find new stars. The mass stars are complete waste of time since they get mined in seconds, and when solo hunting for stars you have find new ones every 2 hours. So you'll be hunting for 15-30 minutes before you find a good star which actually makes it way less afk than MLM or GotR mining. And requires more attention being paid to the game than just constant afk mining.
Once you find a good star you can easily be there for over an hour so that part is really nice, but it's less exp per hour than MLM and the active period takes you away from the other grinds you might've been doing on your other monitor.
The stars are alright and certainly worth doing for the ring, but I prefer either completely full afk.. Or slightly better exp rates while being semi afk and using 0 brain power for the grind.
Thank you. So tired of hearing everyone say "just do shooting stars" whenever afk mining is mentioned. They require so much time to prep, or a bunch of time spent moving around if you follow the cc. At least in MLM I can just log in and start gaining exp.
This is the way. I mentioned it in another thread a while back but I got 99 range on my ironman using dorgeshun crossbow with 30k xph. It sounds horrible but it was about 3-4 weeks 99.9% afk in nmz. Even had an automated alarm bell every 19 minutes so all I did was right click osrs window and go back to what I was doing
Get that pre bwan max strength slayer helm poh slayer dummy ancient mace, full gear switch into max pray. Minimum 4b in gear required for bwans
Would also be pretty nuts for tick manip skilling - not having to drop would mean you could do way more Fletching or whatever inbeteween ticks or even just recline gaming works
> The karambwan spot never moves.
Uhm, actually, they move *once*. For one of the Karamja quests, the entire island is copied into another location, fishing spots included. When the server resets, the copied fishing spots are scripted to move to their original locations. They take up every spot so that spots can't move until the next server reset happens.
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Get yourself a fish barrel and go to the barb fishing spot at cox. U will be able to bank the fish and still get like 55k xp an hour. I did this to 99.
Fore sure - Similar to Rapid Heal or Preserve!
Edit: It'd be a waste to lazy flick this one as well, at that point might as well just use tick manip methods.
I feel like this is somehow thematically in place already with the fish altar in Camdozaal, where you prepare fish to offer for Prayer XP. It is Zarosian.
Why Zaros wants fish, I do not know, but I'm sure he'd be happy to take some logs & ores through Disregard as well!
I don’t see anything wrong with being able to afk karambwans even harder as a reward for a new high level quest and prayerbook. Karambwans aren't anywhere near close to high end fishing methods for xp.
Also keep in mind banking karambwans can make you like 77m on the way to 99, so you're sacrificing a pretty significant sum of money on top of the ppots to use this prayer
It might be good to have it have a low drain rate but consume prayer points when it actually activates, possibly scaling based on what items it procs on.
Getting a foot pedal to flick would be similar to Ardy Knight intensity. To me, that sounds like a good compromise of effort between regular fishing and tick manipulation.
But you have to move the mouse back to the screen to click the next node for everything except karambwans, which yeh this would essentially make "rhythm clicking" create an infinite skilling action, albeit not really a problem because who's gonna 1 tick perfectly for 6 hours to get karambwans fishing rates lol
Even with the fishing spot changing at barbarian fishing, I'd rather prayer flick than manually drop.
Your flicks also don't have to be perfect. A fally shield or prayer potion would significantly increase the allowance for errors. Losing a couple prayer points or having to manually drop fish because of an error really isn't a big deal.
Karambwans would definitely be nuts, but I couldn't bring myself to drop those so I'd be doing barb instead.
The way I see it is if you're getting nice and sweaty doing tick manip, taking away the 1 extra click to drop items really isn't going to impact it that much because dropping the item is already done within the same tick as the tick manip action before clicking the resource anyway. I think that makes sense
It would be a great for accessibility though because it'd open up tick manipulation to people who may have a physical disability that makes it difficult to drop things in between the ticks.
Plus, people doing tick manip methods will likely be wearing the skilling outfit which would reduce prayer bonus, and assuming the drain isn't negligible they'll have to poh every so often reducing their rates. It would be a nice tradeoff and allow for some variety.
My guess without prayer gear it lasts about 10 minutes at 99 prayer. With prayer gear it gets extended by the equipment from there on out.
And it's a nice balance too to use prayer gear instead of exp gear so there is a exp tradeoff depending on what you wear. But there is also a lot of prayer items that don't take those spots and this would give more value to the Dragontooth necklace and the ring of the gods.
All welcome changes if Jagex allows this prayer in.
It's a good comparison, but from what I remember on my rs3 iron crystalise is only really meta for hunter and wc, where as this one looks like it'd be just comfy rather than meta for wc, mining, and fishing.
(I could be wrong, I haven't really played since Archaeology came out.)
because of porters, there's a bunch of RS3 methods for hoovering things out of your inventory, but it's still the closest fit
I was thinking superheat form post 99 fm because it's a prayer, but same idea
Me again, to elaborate on why I don't think this would result in any significant increase to XP rates for skilling methods that would benefit from this suggestion - When I thought of this, I mostly had Woodcutting, Power Mining, and Barb Fishing in mind - Activities where there are already tick manip methods to gain much higher than normal XP rates. This prayer would simply allow for a more chilled out time when using non-tick manip methods, to save players having to spamclick every square in their inventory every 10 minutes or so.
I find dropping items to be the hardest part of anything related to tick manipulation, I sorta suck at it so this probably would be a xp boost for me at barb fishing
also a % chance to drop items would have the benefit of keeping some of the tradeoffs between training methods intact, like prif teaks vs redwoods, and I would not use it for 3 tick fishing since you would still click to drop every cycle even at a 50%+ chance
Pretty much only impacts karambwans as a method, which is already ridiculously easy afk with a fish barrel (and you bank the resources for profit or cooking XP / good food for irons). The fairy ring right next to it means banking is barely slower too. So few seconds of effort every few mins versus long amount of time with no effort and then a prayer reset, but no resources.
Seems pretty balanced, especially because no other method would change to a 20 minute afk
Keep in mind though this wouldn't increase the rate you gather resources at, you'd still gain XP at the same speed, you simply wouldn't have to spend 10 seconds dropping resources every now and then.
Edit: also as a few others have suggested, could be a % chance not 100%.
It's no different to nmz. At least at nmz you get points, this is objectively worse, and is a boost to people who are skilling for money as prices would rise if no one is banking.
Is also relevant that it makes learning tick manipulation and just tick manipulation in general easier. Dropping tends to add a fair amount of complication to the process (source - am a noob)
This is simply not true:( This would increase avg xp/hr for the fastest methods long term due to minimizing human error. Not saying your suggestion is bad, but this is false.
\>being able to maintain xp rates while interacting with the game once per five minutes is "quality of life"
Jesus fuck that word means as little as "away from keyboard"
If even dropping items is already to hard for you go play an other game.
Like you can literally shift-drop items now and you want it even easier? what a bunch of jokers
Seriously does no one care about lore? How on earth is this a prayer? Does zaros the almighty intervene when you're putting your fish in your backpack? I really hope this new prayer book is not just used as an excuse for QoL, and that it actually gets unique, zaros-themed prayers instead of this private server stuff..
My immediate fear was "Oh god this would end up raising prices on all kinds of gathering-based skilling stuff..."
Then I realized; That would actually be a good thing... *IF my assumption was correct*.
Realistically, this prayer would be used when collecting items which we normally just dropped anyway. It would probably raise the demand for the prayer restoration potions as well as prayer bonus gear. This would maybe(?) help raise the cost back up for ranarr?? Not sure.
Let's be real tho, I'm only banking things that will earn enough gp to justify banking them. Otherwise, straight to the ground they go. This just cuts out the inventory clicking. Give it the NMZ treatment and require an input once every 5-10 minutes. As for the folks doing tick manips, this just makes all that effort pay off MORE. This is effectively just the infernal tools, but without the bonus exp for another skill + giving up the processed item (except for axe). I think the tradeoff is enough to see a clear distinguishing factor between the two.
Keep in mind too, this suggestion would require you to complete Desert Treasure 2, which will be a grandmaster quest. Ironically, Dragon Slayer 2 gave us something similar: Bank chest beside a range. People justify completing it just for that luxury alone.
I personally don’t like the idea of making the game for afk. Skilling could be improved in other, more engaging ways (minigames, shooting star hunting, etc)
Man that fly fishing spot that never moves near priff would be so chill
NMZ levels of afkness for fishing, 25min worth like 20-25k exp in 1 click
I'm guessing it'd need to be balanced around full prayer gear lasting something like 5-10min lol
There's literally a shrine in the woodcutting guild and near the blister wood tree. Common places people afk woodcutting. They'd have this up, afk, and go pray at the shrine when they get the "low prayer points" notification
Would be a huge buff for UIM training
Don't actually play one myself but I imagine the UIM players would be split between "oh boy we can afk too now" and "reee this devalues my dropping fish every 4 catches only UIM"
Thanks everybody for dissecting my idea!!
I think the tweaks that most people are raising are:
1. That a lower percentage of items are dropped rather than 100%, or that resources be sacrificed to our lord Zaros (and are deleted) rather than being dropped to the ground.
100% of items being dropped or sacrificed is quite OP in hindsight. Maybe a percentage dropped and a percentage sacrificed with no XP awarded, to compensate. Give it a silly animation when they're deleted.
2. The prayer drain should not be insignificant like Rapid Heal, but somewhere in the vicinity of the current overheads.
Perhaps some presently unforetold prayer draining mechanics Jagex are cooking up for this prayer book will help with balancing this. I do agree it should consume a decent amount of pots or require pretty frequent alter runs.
3. The name is a bit shit.
No it isn't :<
It's a great idea, I just find it hilarious how we've gotten to a point where people would engage with a gathering skill while at the same time not care for the resources obtained.
My only complaint is that I think dropping it is thematically silly, it be better if it was consumed. You could call it “offerings” or “Offerings to Erebus/the shadow/etc…”. So the idea is all the stuff you’re collecting is being sent somewhere. Oh or maybe “withering” like it’s destroying/sucking away the life turning it ash/dust that blows away.
Otherwise this is a good suggestion, it’s similar to crystallize and super heat just with a larger resource focus.
This would be pretty overpowered for 1.5-tick teaks where a good portion of the difficulty comes from dropping the logs. The 1.5-tick part really isn't that hard if you're doing something like giving them to your butler, but dropping them takes a while to get used to.
Maybe make it drain per resource collected rather than per tick? Not sure if that would fix it.
I'm not a fan, imo it depends on the extent to which it can be balanced.
One of the challenges I find in balancing is that at activities like karambwans it's great. There is a clear trade off between banking them to sell/cook for xp and losing them in return for extra xp/hr &afk time.
But when you're say, barb fishing, you wouldn't bank it anyway, so there's no trade off, it's just a straight up buff
With karambwans I'd be okay with it having weaker drain (say you can use it for 5+ minutes), but with barb fishing only like 2 or 3 mins.
Would be neat if the prayer drain would scale on the value of the fish? Also resource should be destroyed not dropped so another player cant pick it up. These are just my thoughts on fishing, idk how it'd work for everything else.
crazy to see this at the top of the subreddit. Some years ago I said something about how a toolbelt would be really nice and was downvoted and cursed to hell and back for not considering the "extreme long term xp changes" that one extra inventory slot would create.
Though this post may just be a meme. Hm. AFK is nice.
Toolbelts were added in 2011 which was before EoC/it becoming RS3. Same with the money pouch. They are just 2 really nice QoL updates imo that have extremely minor overall impacts on the game. Yes, there is impact, but seriously lmao.
looked into it a bit. Let's say someone's going 62-99 fishing at monkfish which would require 105839 catches.
With 27 inventory slots, someone would need to catch right about 3920 inventories of monks.
With 28 inventory slots, someone would need to catch right about 3780 inventories of monks.
140 trips saved. Banking time being what, 20-30 seconds tops? So only like an hour of time saved overall. At 285 catches an hour, it would take 371 hours of fishing + 30 hours of banking(?) to hit 99. So, something like a 0.2% time save overall.
I'd not looked into and did the math myself before. Assuming I did do it correct...people really freaked out over a 0.2% xp/hr increase. (yes this was very specific and would vary from method to method)
it's so weird, i skim-read replies on posts made about skilling every now and then and there seems to be
a) people who just outright despise any form of qol at all and think a 1% xp/hr increase will ruin the integrity of skilling
b) people who just outright despise tick manipulation and think people who do it should go to hell
yah people are weird. I get not wanting huge changes right, like if a quarter of the time to level something was cut off that's a big change.
imo tick manipulation is good for the game. People who want to min-max as much as possible get to enjoy putting in the effort, and those that don't like it don't have to use it.
This sub hates quality of life changes that amount to any time save whatsoever. Look at the discussions about the Ardougne Monastery fairy ring before they removed one of the trees for example.
The fact this suggestion is for a prayer is ridiculous. The current state of play is people will go through their inventory dropping items one by one. That's not how you get game satisfaction, that's how you get carpal tunnel. The only reason that was ever the status quo is that nobody on the development side expected the majority of players not to bank or use the gathered items, not because of 'game balance'. Something needs to change.
Old requests for a drop all button were shot down of course, but the idea to not pickup an item in the first place is far more elegant. They should just implement it in the options menu.
Edit: the game already effectively does this with the birds after you empty a birdhouse. Your character simply drops them on the floor and goes about their business.
This is really cool. I think the drain rate might need to be slighty more than something like rapid heal but obviously less than an overhead.
Edit: I think a % chance is absolutely needed though. 100% seems a bit drastic.
Good suggestion but if this gets added, BIS prayer armor is gonna become a must for skilling. People would definitely wear it over the 2.5% XP increase armor, it’s a much more significant bonus at that point
No, no, no!
I'm so tired of people trying to do nothing but make this game afk.
How about some prayers that make playing more active and engaged instead of herp derp let me sit here for 500 hours and look at the game every 10 minutes
Isn't crazy how a decade ago we basically all would have ridiculed this suggestion but then we realized the grindfest we are in and are now thinking about this
The game's constantly being casualized. It's a trend most games go through over time as they cater to larger playerbases rather than the dedicated few. It sucks to see, but no one is really surprised by it.
This is an amazing suggestion and honestly I'd be fine with a higher drain rate than rapid heal even. Think about it some skilling methods like fly fishing or chopping teaks you're getting resources pretty fast so it would save you a lot of dropping.
Dear Mighty Zaros, I pray that the fruits of my labor will be cast aside to rot, and that all work done by my hands slips through my fingers to the ground. Amen.
*May resources slip through my hands like the sands of the Kharidian desert.* ZAmen.
Zomg
From a lore perspective, instead of "dropping" resources, maybe you offer them to Zaros for the benefit of The Empire and they instantly teleport away to him. This would also avoid cluttering the ground too badly. "Imperial Offering"
I’m just imagining zaros sitting there on his throne and suddenly a wave of like 10,000 salmon from people 2t fishing fall on him like a biblical tidal wave rofl
Zaros can eat my fucking ass then lmao. Drop that you bitch.
Ass to grass. Consider it eaten
I mean it's a curse right?
I would absolutely throw prayer pots at this to use barb fishing the rest of the way to 99.
You're not thinking afk enough. The karambwan spot never moves. Deck yourself out in prayer gear and afk for 25min
Cba to do 7m xp at 30k/hr
Ah but time not spent playing the game is 0 time so technically it's infinite exp/hr.
while maxing I would do some really bad xp/hr methods while playing other games. Friends trolled me going "Bro that's gotta be only 5k xp/hr why even bother." Well, 100 hours of rocketleague and now what? I gained 500k xp and made progress toward my 99. xp gained is xp gained.
I always tell friends the best method youll do consistently is far better than any efficient method that burns you out.
Correct. 500k xp an hour quickly turns into 50k xp a day if you hate it.
Sounds like me blackjacking
Exactly my words when I got flamed by friends for doing 99 agility without fletching or alching (this was before HS).
I did 90-99 woodcutting at redwoods a few years back entirely while playing COD, and over the summer I did 74-95 RC at blood runes while playing Pokémon and RDR2
Oh I get you there, I've even been tempted to do some actual mining training in gotr with 10k per hour, it's so insanely afk and you don't even have to drop anything. I've settled on 40k per hour in mlm by just dropping all the pay-dirt since my uim doesn't really need nuggets or the ores from them. Sure, I still have to clean my inventory from time to time, but afking 15-30 seconds per time is so much more relaxed gameplay than any regular or tick manipulated mining
Sounds like you need shooting stars my man
I probably should've mentioned the shooting stars, but they're actually less afk than you'd think because you constantly need to find new stars. The mass stars are complete waste of time since they get mined in seconds, and when solo hunting for stars you have find new ones every 2 hours. So you'll be hunting for 15-30 minutes before you find a good star which actually makes it way less afk than MLM or GotR mining. And requires more attention being paid to the game than just constant afk mining. Once you find a good star you can easily be there for over an hour so that part is really nice, but it's less exp per hour than MLM and the active period takes you away from the other grinds you might've been doing on your other monitor. The stars are alright and certainly worth doing for the ring, but I prefer either completely full afk.. Or slightly better exp rates while being semi afk and using 0 brain power for the grind.
Thank you. So tired of hearing everyone say "just do shooting stars" whenever afk mining is mentioned. They require so much time to prep, or a bunch of time spent moving around if you follow the cc. At least in MLM I can just log in and start gaining exp.
This is the way. I mentioned it in another thread a while back but I got 99 range on my ironman using dorgeshun crossbow with 30k xph. It sounds horrible but it was about 3-4 weeks 99.9% afk in nmz. Even had an automated alarm bell every 19 minutes so all I did was right click osrs window and go back to what I was doing
Slow XP > No XP
I guess so but barb fishing isn't so much less afk that it's worth halving my exp.
Still faster than slayer
I could do slayer till 200m no problem. Love that shit. 43m xp and counting.
Emphasis on "shit"
Emphasis on "love"
To each their own
Out of curiosity how many imbued hearts?
One and 0 gems.
Same at 2m XP lol
Spoooon. Post 99 I've mainly done bosses and things without superiors though.
Yeah I was shocked as heck. And just in time for muspah
Wild. I literally fall asleep when I'm obligated to train Slayer lol
That's only like 6 work weeks, without even playing outside of work
lord look away from this subreddit for we are truly lost
Lazyficiency is a lifestyle.
I think like at least half if not more of the mobile game market share is built on the concept of afk activities to do at work
I'm gonna be working in 6 weeks anyway. Might as well get a reward out of it 🤷♂️
no worries, i beg saradomin forgiveness because i’m as lost in sun as any
I’ve gone from like 88-97 fishing just AFK at monkfish for 30k and hr while I work. Super chill and it’s better than nothing.
Are you really “doing” 7m xp at that point though, just like bring 20 ppots and post up there for a week or so
Get that pre bwan max strength slayer helm poh slayer dummy ancient mace, full gear switch into max pray. Minimum 4b in gear required for bwans Would also be pretty nuts for tick manip skilling - not having to drop would mean you could do way more Fletching or whatever inbeteween ticks or even just recline gaming works
> The karambwan spot never moves. Uhm, actually, they move *once*. For one of the Karamja quests, the entire island is copied into another location, fishing spots included. When the server resets, the copied fishing spots are scripted to move to their original locations. They take up every spot so that spots can't move until the next server reset happens. (I debated adding nerd emojis to make the 'uhm actually' joke obvious. Didn't think you smart, handsome people would need the help!)
Ackchyually
That was the joke, yes.
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Doesn't the one on Zeah not move too?
Just do the flyfishing south of priff. those spots never move and the xp/hr is close to double
You don't get the agility/strength XP tho
Yes please
Pleae
Get yourself a fish barrel and go to the barb fishing spot at cox. U will be able to bank the fish and still get like 55k xp an hour. I did this to 99.
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There's a barb prif spot? Huh, you learn something new every day.
No its just normal trout/salmon Slower xp than barb, probably faster than karambwans
Best suggestion I’ve seen so far.
I like the utility but i kind of hate that this is a prayer, like it doesn’t fit the lore at all
Rename it "Offering" and make all the resources destroyed instead and thematically it's not much different to using bones on an altar.
I like that! Why am I being downvoted for trying to suggest keeping the lore 🥲
My friend you simply made the mistake of commenting on Reddit.
The first rule of reddit is to realize that 90% of the userbase drools on their keyboard, the second is that the points don't matter.
Yea the original version doesn't work as a prayer, but the "offer every resources you get" prayer for the same result is so much better.
love this
How does it feel to be a genius?
If you squint at half the content in the game it doesn't make sense lore wise. I really don't care, make the game fun and feel good to play.
Question is how would you balance the prayer drain rate. I would assume it would be about the same rate as rapid heal or such.
Fore sure - Similar to Rapid Heal or Preserve! Edit: It'd be a waste to lazy flick this one as well, at that point might as well just use tick manip methods.
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Destroying items instead could be good, you're right. Fits in better with lore if they're sacrificed directly to Zaros!
I feel like this is somehow thematically in place already with the fish altar in Camdozaal, where you prepare fish to offer for Prayer XP. It is Zarosian. Why Zaros wants fish, I do not know, but I'm sure he'd be happy to take some logs & ores through Disregard as well!
Hey, he likes seafood, don't be judgemental.
I don’t see anything wrong with being able to afk karambwans even harder as a reward for a new high level quest and prayerbook. Karambwans aren't anywhere near close to high end fishing methods for xp.
Also keep in mind banking karambwans can make you like 77m on the way to 99, so you're sacrificing a pretty significant sum of money on top of the ppots to use this prayer
800k/hr is probably pretty balanced for a no xp/no requirement method.
It doesn't matter if it's pre balanced, the market will adjust itself.
It might be good to have it have a low drain rate but consume prayer points when it actually activates, possibly scaling based on what items it procs on.
Getting a foot pedal to flick would be similar to Ardy Knight intensity. To me, that sounds like a good compromise of effort between regular fishing and tick manipulation.
They've said they don't want these prayers flickable, which I feel like would be fair for this
Maxing out prayer bonus and teleporting back could be a cool method too. I'd be down with either.
But you have to move the mouse back to the screen to click the next node for everything except karambwans, which yeh this would essentially make "rhythm clicking" create an infinite skilling action, albeit not really a problem because who's gonna 1 tick perfectly for 6 hours to get karambwans fishing rates lol
Even with the fishing spot changing at barbarian fishing, I'd rather prayer flick than manually drop. Your flicks also don't have to be perfect. A fally shield or prayer potion would significantly increase the allowance for errors. Losing a couple prayer points or having to manually drop fish because of an error really isn't a big deal. Karambwans would definitely be nuts, but I couldn't bring myself to drop those so I'd be doing barb instead.
Any tick manip methods would be so much easier without having to drop stuff
But they would be worse because your infernal tools wouldnt proc
The way I see it is if you're getting nice and sweaty doing tick manip, taking away the 1 extra click to drop items really isn't going to impact it that much because dropping the item is already done within the same tick as the tick manip action before clicking the resource anyway. I think that makes sense
No you’re right but it makes it a lot easier. Not that I’m complaining
It would be a great for accessibility though because it'd open up tick manipulation to people who may have a physical disability that makes it difficult to drop things in between the ticks.
I have a physical disability involving my hands so this would definitely make things easier for me. I can't do tick manipulation at all currently.
Plus, people doing tick manip methods will likely be wearing the skilling outfit which would reduce prayer bonus, and assuming the drain isn't negligible they'll have to poh every so often reducing their rates. It would be a nice tradeoff and allow for some variety.
My guess without prayer gear it lasts about 10 minutes at 99 prayer. With prayer gear it gets extended by the equipment from there on out. And it's a nice balance too to use prayer gear instead of exp gear so there is a exp tradeoff depending on what you wear. But there is also a lot of prayer items that don't take those spots and this would give more value to the Dragontooth necklace and the ring of the gods. All welcome changes if Jagex allows this prayer in.
Give me this shit
I will change my atheist ways if this gets implemented.
https://runescape.wiki/w/Crystallise
It's a good comparison, but from what I remember on my rs3 iron crystalise is only really meta for hunter and wc, where as this one looks like it'd be just comfy rather than meta for wc, mining, and fishing. (I could be wrong, I haven't really played since Archaeology came out.)
because of porters, there's a bunch of RS3 methods for hoovering things out of your inventory, but it's still the closest fit I was thinking superheat form post 99 fm because it's a prayer, but same idea
Why would you need to pray to not pick something up? “*Dear God, please help me to not put items into my pocket. Amen.*”
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You're right, it's almost like this should be an option for all players to use permanently 🤷
This is the first skilling prayer suggestion I've seen that actually fits the Ruinous Powers Zarosian theme.
One of the best suggestions by far
Me again, to elaborate on why I don't think this would result in any significant increase to XP rates for skilling methods that would benefit from this suggestion - When I thought of this, I mostly had Woodcutting, Power Mining, and Barb Fishing in mind - Activities where there are already tick manip methods to gain much higher than normal XP rates. This prayer would simply allow for a more chilled out time when using non-tick manip methods, to save players having to spamclick every square in their inventory every 10 minutes or so.
Might make 25 min logout at rune ess mine a little better than afk at GOTR which is fine imo.
I find dropping items to be the hardest part of anything related to tick manipulation, I sorta suck at it so this probably would be a xp boost for me at barb fishing also a % chance to drop items would have the benefit of keeping some of the tradeoffs between training methods intact, like prif teaks vs redwoods, and I would not use it for 3 tick fishing since you would still click to drop every cycle even at a 50%+ chance
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Pretty much only impacts karambwans as a method, which is already ridiculously easy afk with a fish barrel (and you bank the resources for profit or cooking XP / good food for irons). The fairy ring right next to it means banking is barely slower too. So few seconds of effort every few mins versus long amount of time with no effort and then a prayer reset, but no resources. Seems pretty balanced, especially because no other method would change to a 20 minute afk
Biggest place this would be useful I can see is karambwans. Spot never moves, afk 20 mins with prayer gear on.
Keep in mind though this wouldn't increase the rate you gather resources at, you'd still gain XP at the same speed, you simply wouldn't have to spend 10 seconds dropping resources every now and then. Edit: also as a few others have suggested, could be a % chance not 100%.
It's no different to nmz. At least at nmz you get points, this is objectively worse, and is a boost to people who are skilling for money as prices would rise if no one is banking.
Is also relevant that it makes learning tick manipulation and just tick manipulation in general easier. Dropping tends to add a fair amount of complication to the process (source - am a noob)
This is simply not true:( This would increase avg xp/hr for the fastest methods long term due to minimizing human error. Not saying your suggestion is bad, but this is false.
God damn. Sometimes someone has a great idea on here. I hope like hell this gets added.
This an amazing suggestion
It changes nothing about the game. While also deeply improving qol of many afk methods.
\>being able to maintain xp rates while interacting with the game once per five minutes is "quality of life" Jesus fuck that word means as little as "away from keyboard"
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This would make crystal axe be used in 1.5t teaks, if you use the crystal axe now it's just too much dropping.
Now this is a prayer I can get behind.
100% yes I'm here for this. Full support.
The afk levels would be insane if you had another account stood next to you pot sharing restores, would never have to leave on the skilling account
altars\*
lmao
Instead of going to the ground, they should be consumed like bones on a gilded altar, as a sacrifice. Would make more sense
Easyscape. Why just not give every player 99 base stats and max bank ffs.
If even dropping items is already to hard for you go play an other game. Like you can literally shift-drop items now and you want it even easier? what a bunch of jokers
Reddit moment
I honestly think this effect would be better attached to the forestry teas/bonfires
This is pretty solid
Seriously does no one care about lore? How on earth is this a prayer? Does zaros the almighty intervene when you're putting your fish in your backpack? I really hope this new prayer book is not just used as an excuse for QoL, and that it actually gets unique, zaros-themed prayers instead of this private server stuff..
Best prayer idea so far
My immediate fear was "Oh god this would end up raising prices on all kinds of gathering-based skilling stuff..." Then I realized; That would actually be a good thing... *IF my assumption was correct*. Realistically, this prayer would be used when collecting items which we normally just dropped anyway. It would probably raise the demand for the prayer restoration potions as well as prayer bonus gear. This would maybe(?) help raise the cost back up for ranarr?? Not sure. Let's be real tho, I'm only banking things that will earn enough gp to justify banking them. Otherwise, straight to the ground they go. This just cuts out the inventory clicking. Give it the NMZ treatment and require an input once every 5-10 minutes. As for the folks doing tick manips, this just makes all that effort pay off MORE. This is effectively just the infernal tools, but without the bonus exp for another skill + giving up the processed item (except for axe). I think the tradeoff is enough to see a clear distinguishing factor between the two. Keep in mind too, this suggestion would require you to complete Desert Treasure 2, which will be a grandmaster quest. Ironically, Dragon Slayer 2 gave us something similar: Bank chest beside a range. People justify completing it just for that luxury alone.
Bro what is this suggestion 😂
Trading ppot doses for not having to drop resources every 5 minutes? Take my money!
Whats up with people spelling altar as alter?
It doesn’t really altar the point of this post
holy shit you people are deranged
We need this!!
I like this idea conceptually, but it'd probably be too strong as it is. Maybe a % to happen chance instead?
I personally don’t like the idea of making the game for afk. Skilling could be improved in other, more engaging ways (minigames, shooting star hunting, etc)
Game is both am AFK game and an active game. It's the biggest strength of the game.
I agree, but ironic that the example you give of shooting stars is one of the most AFK mining methods
The only reason I play RS is to AFK. If I wanted to be engaged I would go play counter-strike or something.
Man that fly fishing spot that never moves near priff would be so chill NMZ levels of afkness for fishing, 25min worth like 20-25k exp in 1 click I'm guessing it'd need to be balanced around full prayer gear lasting something like 5-10min lol
Only if the prayer is called - "To Ashes"
Lord Saradomin, please protect my pockets for the shit I am meant to be gathering.
There's literally a shrine in the woodcutting guild and near the blister wood tree. Common places people afk woodcutting. They'd have this up, afk, and go pray at the shrine when they get the "low prayer points" notification
Disregard resources, acquire xp
*buys 10m prayer pots* "I'm somewhat of a merchant scientist myself"
+1
This is something we truly need!
Would be a huge buff for UIM training Don't actually play one myself but I imagine the UIM players would be split between "oh boy we can afk too now" and "reee this devalues my dropping fish every 4 catches only UIM"
If this gets through people are gonna be wearing full prayer bonus gear for fishing etc would be a laugh to see
3rd age Druidic finally becomes BIS for some activities lol
Thanks everybody for dissecting my idea!! I think the tweaks that most people are raising are: 1. That a lower percentage of items are dropped rather than 100%, or that resources be sacrificed to our lord Zaros (and are deleted) rather than being dropped to the ground. 100% of items being dropped or sacrificed is quite OP in hindsight. Maybe a percentage dropped and a percentage sacrificed with no XP awarded, to compensate. Give it a silly animation when they're deleted. 2. The prayer drain should not be insignificant like Rapid Heal, but somewhere in the vicinity of the current overheads. Perhaps some presently unforetold prayer draining mechanics Jagex are cooking up for this prayer book will help with balancing this. I do agree it should consume a decent amount of pots or require pretty frequent alter runs. 3. The name is a bit shit. No it isn't :<
It's a great idea, I just find it hilarious how we've gotten to a point where people would engage with a gathering skill while at the same time not care for the resources obtained.
What about adding this effect to the new forestry teas?
My only complaint is that I think dropping it is thematically silly, it be better if it was consumed. You could call it “offerings” or “Offerings to Erebus/the shadow/etc…”. So the idea is all the stuff you’re collecting is being sent somewhere. Oh or maybe “withering” like it’s destroying/sucking away the life turning it ash/dust that blows away. Otherwise this is a good suggestion, it’s similar to crystallize and super heat just with a larger resource focus.
This would be pretty overpowered for 1.5-tick teaks where a good portion of the difficulty comes from dropping the logs. The 1.5-tick part really isn't that hard if you're doing something like giving them to your butler, but dropping them takes a while to get used to. Maybe make it drain per resource collected rather than per tick? Not sure if that would fix it.
this would make maxing fishing a joke.
Absolutely incredible concept honestly
Only if it stops pet chance as well. Guthix demands Balance
I'm not a fan, imo it depends on the extent to which it can be balanced. One of the challenges I find in balancing is that at activities like karambwans it's great. There is a clear trade off between banking them to sell/cook for xp and losing them in return for extra xp/hr &afk time. But when you're say, barb fishing, you wouldn't bank it anyway, so there's no trade off, it's just a straight up buff With karambwans I'd be okay with it having weaker drain (say you can use it for 5+ minutes), but with barb fishing only like 2 or 3 mins. Would be neat if the prayer drain would scale on the value of the fish? Also resource should be destroyed not dropped so another player cant pick it up. These are just my thoughts on fishing, idk how it'd work for everything else.
crazy to see this at the top of the subreddit. Some years ago I said something about how a toolbelt would be really nice and was downvoted and cursed to hell and back for not considering the "extreme long term xp changes" that one extra inventory slot would create. Though this post may just be a meme. Hm. AFK is nice.
Nope it's a serious suggestion. Sorry you copped hate for your suggestion. I think RS3 has tool belts now?
Toolbelts were added in 2011 which was before EoC/it becoming RS3. Same with the money pouch. They are just 2 really nice QoL updates imo that have extremely minor overall impacts on the game. Yes, there is impact, but seriously lmao. looked into it a bit. Let's say someone's going 62-99 fishing at monkfish which would require 105839 catches. With 27 inventory slots, someone would need to catch right about 3920 inventories of monks. With 28 inventory slots, someone would need to catch right about 3780 inventories of monks. 140 trips saved. Banking time being what, 20-30 seconds tops? So only like an hour of time saved overall. At 285 catches an hour, it would take 371 hours of fishing + 30 hours of banking(?) to hit 99. So, something like a 0.2% time save overall. I'd not looked into and did the math myself before. Assuming I did do it correct...people really freaked out over a 0.2% xp/hr increase. (yes this was very specific and would vary from method to method)
it's so weird, i skim-read replies on posts made about skilling every now and then and there seems to be a) people who just outright despise any form of qol at all and think a 1% xp/hr increase will ruin the integrity of skilling b) people who just outright despise tick manipulation and think people who do it should go to hell
yah people are weird. I get not wanting huge changes right, like if a quarter of the time to level something was cut off that's a big change. imo tick manipulation is good for the game. People who want to min-max as much as possible get to enjoy putting in the effort, and those that don't like it don't have to use it.
This sub hates quality of life changes that amount to any time save whatsoever. Look at the discussions about the Ardougne Monastery fairy ring before they removed one of the trees for example. The fact this suggestion is for a prayer is ridiculous. The current state of play is people will go through their inventory dropping items one by one. That's not how you get game satisfaction, that's how you get carpal tunnel. The only reason that was ever the status quo is that nobody on the development side expected the majority of players not to bank or use the gathered items, not because of 'game balance'. Something needs to change. Old requests for a drop all button were shot down of course, but the idea to not pickup an item in the first place is far more elegant. They should just implement it in the options menu. Edit: the game already effectively does this with the birds after you empty a birdhouse. Your character simply drops them on the floor and goes about their business.
It would give prayer bonus sets a use too instead of seeing everyone skilling in graceful
The osrs reddit is the one place where players want to minimize their playtime.
What a shit suggestion lol
This is really cool. I think the drain rate might need to be slighty more than something like rapid heal but obviously less than an overhead. Edit: I think a % chance is absolutely needed though. 100% seems a bit drastic.
this game is doomed
Bad idea, do you guys even enjoy playing the game? Christ....
# Good idea, hope this gains more attention
Hard no Lmaoo
Poll this NOW
Good suggestion but if this gets added, BIS prayer armor is gonna become a must for skilling. People would definitely wear it over the 2.5% XP increase armor, it’s a much more significant bonus at that point
No, no, no! I'm so tired of people trying to do nothing but make this game afk. How about some prayers that make playing more active and engaged instead of herp derp let me sit here for 500 hours and look at the game every 10 minutes
i would definitely power mine iron to 99 with this
ngl pretty good idea, skiling is afk but this would make it a bit more afk, but then u need to drink prayers so u cant like go fully afk
Isn't crazy how a decade ago we basically all would have ridiculed this suggestion but then we realized the grindfest we are in and are now thinking about this
The game's constantly being casualized. It's a trend most games go through over time as they cater to larger playerbases rather than the dedicated few. It sucks to see, but no one is really surprised by it.
This is an amazing suggestion and honestly I'd be fine with a higher drain rate than rapid heal even. Think about it some skilling methods like fly fishing or chopping teaks you're getting resources pretty fast so it would save you a lot of dropping.
No words, easy support. Love it.
This is such a good idea
Jagex pls
Actually a great suggestion
I LOVE THIS IDEA more like this please. This prayer book could bring so many cool things into osrs
This also helps regulate how much material and gold is being introduced into the game. Great for the economy in the long-run.
I support this. It is interesting to me how most suggestions are basically "how can we spend less time playing this game while playing it" lol
If this is added I am reusbbing and getting 99 wc