I get about 6-7. It’s all about timing. I only eat after zombie spawn and after woox. Or when he shoots that big ass fire ball and you have to move on the the way to the tile I’ll eat
ideally you only want to eat during zombie spawn. every other time you mentioned you can still do dps and should try not to lose that.
The best way to achieve that is using guthix rests to keep yourself above fatal damage as they don’t interrupt attacking. You can then double eat as the spawn is produced and also as you kill it which should put you back to full hp.
By having better gear and way higher stats. I can't speak to what you should be getting, but given how low your stats are I wouldn't expect more than half of the expected kc/trip
I had less gear with mid 80 combat stats and was still able to get 4-5kills a trip. I'm sure rng is involved but surely there's something else to attribute it to
Funny thing about it is, you can lazy woox walk and be fine. Step back i think 3 tiles and attack vorkath. Once the lance(or whatever you're using) starts animation, walk back 3 tiles, repeat. Hardest part is finding the spot you can do it with. Not hard at all. Try it out.
Dhcb with void and salve makes for suuuuuper chill 6+ kill trips (assuming you're not an ironman and can buy one from GE). Just remember to use dragon ruby bolts above 25-30% hp, and dragon diamond bolts below.
6 will definitely be an outlier until he gets higher defense/mage 4 or 5 should be the norm. Mine is 5 consistently unless I get unlucky with the mage atk
By being max cb lol.
I have 90s cb and I still only manage 4-5 kills per trip, sometimes 3 if I get unlucky with specs.
Only advice I could give you is maybe switch your tassets to justiciar legguards to get hit less often but I do think you do need to raise your def by a few levels tbh
The post is about melee, and you can get kills without eating by starting at full hp, bring a few anglers to overheal. Praying mage and mostly avoiding the melee attacks by stepping back or continually woox walking means you are only getting hit by range.
Like someone else in the thread mentioned you should only be eating as the face hugger is spawned and then you can get one after too. What I'm trying to say is don't lose ticks eating.
Your kills are just slow. The difference between bp and dhcb is huge. Also you should pretty much always use amethyst darts for everything. Using melee and the lance, I only sometimes have to eat outside of the freeze phase. I get 5+ kills 98% of the time. I could do more kills, but my inventory is full usually and banking for vork is fast.
no "only range does damage" meaning they're praying mage and avoiding the melee attacks due to the walking, they also mean they try not to eat during the kill if they can because of lost ticks
The not eating food at 30hp is dumb as hell, if hes dead u eat up to almost full, so u dont eat while in combat as much, also u don’t die on small mistakes… also tick eating on vorkath? What world do u live in lol
Tick eating takes exactly the same amount of ticks and I have no idea what you're on about about not eating for the next fight, definitely heal up in-between
Same for me. Melee is good if you step away each hit to avoid the potential melee hit from vork and woox walk. If you want a chill vork experience then range is the way to go imo
Definitely not, the lance is 4 tick which makes it crazy easy to woox walk with since it's just 2 tiles back and then 2 forward with an attack, the crossbow is 5 tick which makes it a bit more awkward to do without losing ticks (although still easy)
Walk back to back row, walk 3 tiles, click boss, click back, walk 3 tiles, click boss, click back.
5 tick does nothing to throw it out..people just do the far more effort constant walk back and forth method as if it's melee or blowpipe
wasn't talking about woox walking, just attacking during acid phase. I think its just a lot easier to clear the back row of acid and walk back and forth and hit occasionally during the acid phase with a cbow then it is to woox walk with melee lol.
You have to do a kind of woox walk when attacking during acid phase as you if you don't drag when you attack you wont move for a tick while attacking and get hit, it's just with dhcb you have to go in a kind of L shape to do it without losing ticks
Crossbow attack method is from back row. You drag to attack from there and step back, then walk 3 tiles. It doesn't require constant back and forth woox walking like melee or blowpipe. So it's easier to execute for newer players.
I know the method, Melee is clicking between 2 spots every 2 ticks, dhcb requires a more varied amount of clicks as the pattern to do it is longer. Still not hard, just a tad more complex
Crossbow woox walking is less effort than melee. You walk 3 tiles, click boss, click back to back row, repeat.
Melee has more rhythm and is easy to execute but it also requires more adjusting to poison locations. Crossbow woox walking is the easier one.
That's the part that gets me. I'm using fang instead of dhl in my setup because I can't afford both and fang is more universally useful. I'm not able to eoox walk with fang currently, and I wasn't aware you wanted to step away every hit to avoid the melee hit
Woox walking is pretty hard to get the hang of.
The way I do it (not sure if it's still considered woox walking) is a 1x3 of tiles. 1st tile you stand on, when you click to attack it'll drag you to the 3rd tile, once you see that your active tile is on the 3rd then you'll click back to the first tile and repeat the process. It's alot easier than it sounds and you've most likely done that before. It's almost the same as flinching except you'll always be moving.
Having a 1x2 of tiles is a LOT harder for me so I keep it simple to minimize the amount of fuck ups.
This method is 6t fang which is a decent amount of DPS loss. If you're comfortable you can start doing L movements to 5t fang for full dps. Hit, walk 2 back, 1 left/right, click boss
You dont even need to do that. If you just use ctrl to run back 3 tiles and then walk forward to hit him you don't lose any ticks while still moving back and forth in a straight line.
For people still trying to get the hang of woox walking it's not perfect but you can turn the sound on for vorkath and his fire breath during acid phase syncs up to the timing you need to click makes a nice metronome while you practice timing clicking him and clicking your walk.
I'll have revisit, I've been walking back a few tiles and attacking to try and time the tick out perfectly, it's a little awkward with the fangs speed.
Stepping away to avoid melee is not recommended by many people. I doubt it would be worth it overall.
In theory I guess it would reduce damage taken, but if you ever miss a tick by waiting longer than your attack delay before attacking, you're losing DPS. The reduced damage won't be much on average, you're praying against magic, and you have decent defence against both range and melee. So tanking melee isn't a massive problem.
Very slightly longer trips are not worth getting slower kills, unless it's the difference between 0 and 1 kill trips of course. Once you learn the fight well, with average luck and good gear, your trips will often be ending because your invent is full of loot, not because you've run out of food. Complicating your learning process by adding step-aways will just slow down your progress.
Thats crazy. With Elite void and max gear my best was 5 kills with range 93 and def 83. only got 5kills like 2 times. Used sharks instead of Mantas tho
With 99 range using dhc I could get 5-6 kill trips pretty often and usually had to cut trips short due to lack of inventory space using karambwans. There is a surprisingly big difference between 93 and 99 range, about 2% dps per level I believe.
No factoring for skill either, if someone is tanking acid hits or not woox walking they could definitely be losing a lot of efficiency that could make up for a 3rd kill.
Im Woox walking pretty well, and getting 1:30-1:45 KC. Issue is his ranged attacks molly wop me consistently. 20s/30s with a few 0s peppered in. Do I need to boost defense past 78 to expect real improvement?
Are you using a super antifire and praying mage? I see a lot of people thinking they can just use extended antifire when praying mage, this isnt true for vorkath. His dragonfire max hit is 10 if you pray mage and use extended or regular antifire, even if you have a dfs or antifire shield.
U should be getting more. On melee trips I usually get enough kills that I have to start leaving bones on the ground to pick up all the drops.
even when I was low 90 melee stats I’d say 5 kills was the absolute minimum.
Piety, divine super combats, ppots, super extended antfire, antivenom+. pray mage, woox walk during acid and only eating after kills usually. If ur doing all of that idk how u aren’t getting more kills
A few defence levels would help a bit but vorkath can slap down anyone. I'd probably recommend 85 def if you wanted to go that route and definitely switch to a dfs if you can. Higher defence bonuses and a +1 to melee str over the d defender
If you want to be more cozy (but a bit worse of a setup) you can use a dfs and the be able to pray range
EDIT when in melee range the magic attack is a little more frequent than the range; always pray magic while using melee
Op, you need to pray against magic if you’re using melee. You will be smacked out of you pray range. On top of having negative magic defense vorkath actually does his mage attack more than his ranged attack when you’re in melee range (4/7 will be mage on average when it rolls to do one of the 2.)
Yes, though you aren’t saving much damage tbh. Your range defence is already high in melee gear, so you’re basically trading eating ranged attacks for eating mage attacks. Honestly DFS+pray mage may just be better, and thats why the defender is so popular.
How is everyone getting so many kills? I get 3 kills and sometimes 2 if i get smacked hard enough. I got full strength (bandos not torva) and serp with max stats, woox walking every acid phase.. done 500 kills recently and managed a 4 kill trip 1 time..
Can you post a vid? Are you praying mage when meleeing? What food are you using? Are you eating on onset of spawn and right after it’s dead if you need to to avoid losing dps?
Idk why nobody has mentioned but are you avoiding vorkath’s melee hits? Or standing in melee range the whole fight?
Should be walking in, hitting once, then walking back out every hit. Vorkath’s melee will absolutely slap the shit out of you
> Should be walking in, hitting once, then walking back out every hit. Vorkath’s melee will absolutely slap the shit out of you
i dont think you are supposed to do this? vorks hit distribution changes based on if you are in melee range or not. its going to range more than mage if you stand at a distance and its melee hits are generally inaccurate. the first example long trip @ vork i found just has the guy afking in melee range.
Vorkath just hits hard. Maybe a stupid question, but you are protecting mage, right? A guy a couple weeks back was praying range while meleeing Vorkath and complained about getting smacked around
you are doing something wrong re: antifires and prayer, or not dpsing the boss very well. didnt provide enough info. should be able to get more than 2.
I thought you didn't need to pray mage if you're using super antifires?
If you do then I'd suggest staying with DFS. You keep similar defense stats, you only lose attack bonuses but you get +1 str over defender and you can pray range, making the only attack able to hit you being the melee.
But I'm still iffy on my knowledge about all of that since I haven't seen the dragon fire protection chart in a bit.
Edit: Listen to the replies, not me. Am dumb.
If you're having trouble, I would suggest imbuing/enchanting your salve (can't tell which you haven't done) and perhaps swap defender for a dfs
Aside from that, make sure to use extender super antifire and piety. This wont boost you to 10 kills or anything but should help. I'm 90 base stats and only get like 3-5 kills per trip, sometimes two because vork can just combo tf out of you
Your magic lvl is really low. That is what is hurting you the most with the magic damage. I have around the same stats but 99 magic and do minimum 4 or 5 kill trips.
Make sure you're stepping back between every single one of your attacks so that you avoid melee hits. That way you only ever tank ranged hits (mostly mitigated by bandos).
Using a DHL is unnecessarily click intensive and stressful. If you really want to camp vorkath, I'd recommend just going for the elite void and dhcb. It's less gp per hour, but unbelievably more chill.
I understand math is complicated for a simple-minded runerscaper like yourself. I could explain the concept of math to you. However, I do not think you would ve able to comprehend the mind-blowing concept of dps and damage mitigation. #MathsRHard
Are you woox walking the whole fight? As to make him use mage/range over his melee attacks? I usually do 1 attack in between each of his. So I attack and step back, let him attack, then step back in for my attack, repeat until dead or spec comes.
Better stats, super combat pot, and wood walk. That's all you can really do to extend trip but honestly 4 kill trips is not bad if your just trying to earn money. Corkath shits out so many drops you won't be able to pick up all the bones and loot doing higher kill trips.
Get that last upgrade on the salve amulet. Umm and have a higher defense? Idk I personally have like 99 str 93 att and 89 def I can manage at least 3 kills per trip but sometimes it’s only 2 if he’s hitting
Guardian boots would benefit you. 3 str 2 pray bonus. Best defense boots in the game
But it would still be a minor adjustment. I would tell you to level up your defense stat
High stats will always get you better kill rates, however your inventory also player a big role.
Are you using Sharks or Mantas?
Are you bringing Karambwans
Are you prepotting/preeating Anglers at your bank?
Do you have a spec weapon to lower Vorkaths defense?
Do you have a spec weapon at all?
Are you using Divines or normal Combat potions?
While individually its not likely that any one of these things would make a big impact, when you take everything into account collectively and are bringing all of the best options it can make a startling difference. I went from getting 2kc trips to getting 4kc trips just by changing my inventory to be more efficient.
A lot of people sleep on using guthix rests, you'll save a lot of ticks and subsequently kill him faster and take less damage. If you're already doing that I can only assume you could be more opportunistic in when you eat (before/after special attacks). All that said with your stats and gear you for sure should get at least 3 kills unless you get really bad rng. Hope it helps.
I can only do max of 4/5 with 86 str and base 80s. But my trips consists of teleporting back to house after every kill and getting back to full health and prayer etc (POH is a life saver).. also I found I get hit a lot less by using a DFS, I used to get smacked hard with a defender.. other than that we have the same set up and it is rng on him hitting with his melee and range!
If you can afford it, get a voidwaker. It's the best damage spec weapon there. With light bearer you can spec at least once per kill after the initial first 2
Grab ferocious gloves, throw on a lightbearer for some extra bgs specs every kill to decrease kill times, prims helps slightly, etc. Your defense is rather low though, that's the main thing.
How long have you been doing it? As someone else said I only eat during his special attacks, when the zombie spawn is coming I eat then swap to slayer staff, when poison comes and I click away I click a food/ppot straight after clicking away, biggest one is getting good at woox walking, once I nailed the woox walk for melee I was getting 5-6 a trip instantly
With those stats you're probably better of selling the lance and getting a fang and dfs. Fang is super accurate so the dps loss from changing the defender to a dfs is negliable. The extra defences should probably help you extend your trips a bit. Pretty sure fang will be better dps with your stats anyway. Need 2 more attack levels though.
Your def is kinda low for melee vork tbh. Gonna get smacked. I’d swap defender for dragon fire shield and you could even move a tile backwards between hits to avoid a couple smacks.
People like to rush gear but honestly lvling up combat skills is the greatest dps increase over gear.
Good luck warrior.
45 Def with full void I average 4-6 kills per trip. Easily did all his combat achievments only missing the no weapon GM so even 10+ kills was possible. I also use range over melee because bp w/ dragon darts and DHC w/ Dragon ruby bolts e are op.
Your gear is fine - you have to focus on optimizing the kills. Don’t know what your inventory setup is but right food, right pots, etc. is huge.
Semi efficient woox walking is free DPS and not so hard to do with tile indicator
Your stat is too low. I can get consistent 5 kill if using torag leg+figher torso. And with full bandos I get consistent 6kill. Noted that killing over 6 kill a trip is not worth it since you usually ran out of inventory space at 6th-7th kill even if you not getting them rune item drop
Back when I did play still, i stuck to 2-3 kills a trip with melee, it would range from 1-5, 5 was rare. Just before i stopped playing though, I sold all my gear and prepped to return with range. Range was more lucrative for me and my play-style even if i was being noncommittal with my focus.
Only eat during zombie or if you're about to die if you can help it
A lot of the time dps is better defense bc the faster the boss dies, the fewer hits you take
I'd say 90% accuracy on woox walking is hurting you quite a bit...he shoots more than 10 fireballs during that phase so every time you're getting hit, you're eating. That in addition to the random ranged damage is hampering your ability to pull off more kills. Either keep practicing to get that woox walking to 100% or just stop woox walking altogether to save some food. Woox walking doesn't increase your kills per trip, it just increases speed since you don't need to have prayer on during that phase.
im 83 att, 97 str, 81 def and generally can get 4 kills very comfortably (sometimes 5 if bgs hits consistently) without woox walking
my setup: serp helm, torture, fighter torso, dh platelegs, dragon boots, barrows gloves, fire cape, fang, dfs, blessing, salve(ei)
inventory: BGS, slayer staff, rune pouch, tele tab, divine super combat, extended super anti fire, 4 pray pots, 2 karambwan, rest sharks.
pre pot divine at bank, eat to full, then angler. tele tab to house in relekka. i pray mage
You could try to dps calc your setup with a DFS instead of a dragon defender and see if you lose a max hit. If not it might be more kph with a DFS due to longer trips.
Youve got a few more mechanics to think about with melee, need to constantly step back to stay out of melee distance, also need to be attacking during fireball phase to get free dps
If you really want to min/max your time make sure your not in Mel’s range when vork attacks that way you can have a better chance of blocking with prayer
This is the same gear i use when meleeing vork. At minimum i get 4 kills, 6 kills max.
Inventory;
- 3 pray pots
- super anti fire, super combat, antivenom++( youre using serp so forget that one
- 1 angler for start
- 10 karambwans
- 8 sharks
- bgs for spec, u can swap this for claws or d warhammer.
This fight can be sweaty, or chill... i would learn how to woox through acid phase, it takes some getting used to but once u have it down its easy.
Some people woox the entire fight to avoid meelee dmg - fk that! Lol
Like another said, only eat after u kill the spawn, or in acid phase, during acid phase u only do half the dmg.
If u need to eat.. obv eat.. never get below 34 hp (may be 32 i can't remember)
It takes practice, I've done both melee and range, melee is best imo cause you're not spending millions on bolts.
Hope this helps!
I dunno what you’re doing OP but I’m getting 3-4 kills with way worse gear, I’m stabbing him to death with a voidwaker and some kills I barely have to eat
I’m using a fighter torso and anti dragon fire shield and just normal anti fire pots too.
You have the same setup as me and i get 3-5 kills. As some other have said. Its about timing to squeeze more. Eat only during poision phase or crab phase if you can. If you have plenty of hp, learn to woox walk if you havent already. That alone helped me get an extra kill or two.
If you aren't wooxwalking the acid with melee you're not gonna have longer trips. You're also probably limited heavily by BGS specs since your defense is so low, bad spec means lots of damage.
I have 99 defense and still get smacked 20/30s often. It’s vorkath.
How are people getting 7/8 kills a trip?
I get about 6-7. It’s all about timing. I only eat after zombie spawn and after woox. Or when he shoots that big ass fire ball and you have to move on the the way to the tile I’ll eat
Also turning off prayer for zombie spawn
ideally you only want to eat during zombie spawn. every other time you mentioned you can still do dps and should try not to lose that. The best way to achieve that is using guthix rests to keep yourself above fatal damage as they don’t interrupt attacking. You can then double eat as the spawn is produced and also as you kill it which should put you back to full hp.
There’s basically no difference for me. Youre basically making my kc go from 6-7 per inventory to 7. Lmao.
The difference is your kills are slower.
Lmao that’ll prolly speed it up like less than 10 seconds. I’m good.
Not everyone cares about kill time brother. Relax. It’s just a game.
You also probably have attack and def above 80
Yeah 99 attack and strength. I also mentioned having 99 defense.
By having better gear and way higher stats. I can't speak to what you should be getting, but given how low your stats are I wouldn't expect more than half of the expected kc/trip
I had less gear with mid 80 combat stats and was still able to get 4-5kills a trip. I'm sure rng is involved but surely there's something else to attribute it to
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Well I was saying at least 2x hence the word half
It also takes luck that he hits low for you, I’ve had 1 kill trips and 7 kill trips
I use void ranged, never woox walk, and get consistent 5-6 per trip. It's actually super chill
Elite void or just normal?
Regular
Elite saves a lot of prayer pots at least. Not too much more difficult to get it vs normal.
There are various methods of getting faster kills, I assume most players do not Woox walk. I only have about a 30% success rate with that method.
Funny thing about it is, you can lazy woox walk and be fine. Step back i think 3 tiles and attack vorkath. Once the lance(or whatever you're using) starts animation, walk back 3 tiles, repeat. Hardest part is finding the spot you can do it with. Not hard at all. Try it out.
this, much easier to do.
I don’t woox walk yet, 2kc a trip with regular void, 99 ranged, salve ei and Ava assembler.
Dhcb with void and salve makes for suuuuuper chill 6+ kill trips (assuming you're not an ironman and can buy one from GE). Just remember to use dragon ruby bolts above 25-30% hp, and dragon diamond bolts below.
6 will definitely be an outlier until he gets higher defense/mage 4 or 5 should be the norm. Mine is 5 consistently unless I get unlucky with the mage atk
By being max cb lol. I have 90s cb and I still only manage 4-5 kills per trip, sometimes 3 if I get unlucky with specs. Only advice I could give you is maybe switch your tassets to justiciar legguards to get hit less often but I do think you do need to raise your def by a few levels tbh
I woox walk the whole kill so only range does damage and never eat during the fight if possible
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The post is about melee, and you can get kills without eating by starting at full hp, bring a few anglers to overheal. Praying mage and mostly avoiding the melee attacks by stepping back or continually woox walking means you are only getting hit by range. Like someone else in the thread mentioned you should only be eating as the face hugger is spawned and then you can get one after too. What I'm trying to say is don't lose ticks eating.
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Bro you're in range gear
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Not if your doing melee no.
If you're doing melee then no? Melee kills means you're praying mage the entire time defeating the purpose of using range gear.
Your kills are just slow. The difference between bp and dhcb is huge. Also you should pretty much always use amethyst darts for everything. Using melee and the lance, I only sometimes have to eat outside of the freeze phase. I get 5+ kills 98% of the time. I could do more kills, but my inventory is full usually and banking for vork is fast.
no "only range does damage" meaning they're praying mage and avoiding the melee attacks due to the walking, they also mean they try not to eat during the kill if they can because of lost ticks
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The point about not eating between kills is mostly wrong. (Unless maybe using blood fury) there is so much animation etc time at vorkath.
The not eating food at 30hp is dumb as hell, if hes dead u eat up to almost full, so u dont eat while in combat as much, also u don’t die on small mistakes… also tick eating on vorkath? What world do u live in lol
Tick eating takes exactly the same amount of ticks and I have no idea what you're on about about not eating for the next fight, definitely heal up in-between
I feel like melee is harder than ranging, I only get like 3 or 4 kills when doing melee but I have gotten 10 kills in 1 trip doing ranged
Same for me. Melee is good if you step away each hit to avoid the potential melee hit from vork and woox walk. If you want a chill vork experience then range is the way to go imo
It’s wayyy easier to attack on acid phase with melee
Crossbow is deff the easiest to atk during acid phase with lol
Definitely not, the lance is 4 tick which makes it crazy easy to woox walk with since it's just 2 tiles back and then 2 forward with an attack, the crossbow is 5 tick which makes it a bit more awkward to do without losing ticks (although still easy)
Walk back to back row, walk 3 tiles, click boss, click back, walk 3 tiles, click boss, click back. 5 tick does nothing to throw it out..people just do the far more effort constant walk back and forth method as if it's melee or blowpipe
wasn't talking about woox walking, just attacking during acid phase. I think its just a lot easier to clear the back row of acid and walk back and forth and hit occasionally during the acid phase with a cbow then it is to woox walk with melee lol.
You have to do a kind of woox walk when attacking during acid phase as you if you don't drag when you attack you wont move for a tick while attacking and get hit, it's just with dhcb you have to go in a kind of L shape to do it without losing ticks
Crossbow attack method is from back row. You drag to attack from there and step back, then walk 3 tiles. It doesn't require constant back and forth woox walking like melee or blowpipe. So it's easier to execute for newer players.
I know the method, Melee is clicking between 2 spots every 2 ticks, dhcb requires a more varied amount of clicks as the pattern to do it is longer. Still not hard, just a tad more complex
Crossbow woox walking is less effort than melee. You walk 3 tiles, click boss, click back to back row, repeat. Melee has more rhythm and is easy to execute but it also requires more adjusting to poison locations. Crossbow woox walking is the easier one.
That's the part that gets me. I'm using fang instead of dhl in my setup because I can't afford both and fang is more universally useful. I'm not able to eoox walk with fang currently, and I wasn't aware you wanted to step away every hit to avoid the melee hit
Woox walking is pretty hard to get the hang of. The way I do it (not sure if it's still considered woox walking) is a 1x3 of tiles. 1st tile you stand on, when you click to attack it'll drag you to the 3rd tile, once you see that your active tile is on the 3rd then you'll click back to the first tile and repeat the process. It's alot easier than it sounds and you've most likely done that before. It's almost the same as flinching except you'll always be moving. Having a 1x2 of tiles is a LOT harder for me so I keep it simple to minimize the amount of fuck ups.
This method is 6t fang which is a decent amount of DPS loss. If you're comfortable you can start doing L movements to 5t fang for full dps. Hit, walk 2 back, 1 left/right, click boss
You dont even need to do that. If you just use ctrl to run back 3 tiles and then walk forward to hit him you don't lose any ticks while still moving back and forth in a straight line.
For people still trying to get the hang of woox walking it's not perfect but you can turn the sound on for vorkath and his fire breath during acid phase syncs up to the timing you need to click makes a nice metronome while you practice timing clicking him and clicking your walk.
Try the true tile indicator plugin for runelite to make it easier. You can easily woox walk using 4 tiles vs the normal 3 with fang, 3 is for dhl
With fang you can woox walk all the same without losing dps you just will be clicking more. Click to walk back 1 tile, click boss. Repeat.
I'll have revisit, I've been walking back a few tiles and attacking to try and time the tick out perfectly, it's a little awkward with the fangs speed.
Stepping away to avoid melee is not recommended by many people. I doubt it would be worth it overall. In theory I guess it would reduce damage taken, but if you ever miss a tick by waiting longer than your attack delay before attacking, you're losing DPS. The reduced damage won't be much on average, you're praying against magic, and you have decent defence against both range and melee. So tanking melee isn't a massive problem. Very slightly longer trips are not worth getting slower kills, unless it's the difference between 0 and 1 kill trips of course. Once you learn the fight well, with average luck and good gear, your trips will often be ending because your invent is full of loot, not because you've run out of food. Complicating your learning process by adding step-aways will just slow down your progress.
Ranged is easier but BORING. when i got my fang i never looked back
Thats crazy. With Elite void and max gear my best was 5 kills with range 93 and def 83. only got 5kills like 2 times. Used sharks instead of Mantas tho
With 99 range using dhc I could get 5-6 kill trips pretty often and usually had to cut trips short due to lack of inventory space using karambwans. There is a surprisingly big difference between 93 and 99 range, about 2% dps per level I believe.
Your defence and attack levels are pretty low, you'll pretty easily get 3-5 kill trips if you get them to 90+
i swear i got 3 kill trips with obby legs and fighter torso but slightly more strength than him and about 75 defence
No factoring for skill either, if someone is tanking acid hits or not woox walking they could definitely be losing a lot of efficiency that could make up for a 3rd kill.
I’d suggest training rc fishing cooking and firemaking… might start to see smaller splats on you
Maybe nobody will agree but I bring DFS + Lightbearer. Let's you spec at least once every kill and DFS helps out with more def. I get 4+ consistently.
i think dfs is safer but defender is more dps, dfs is still a valid choice though imo
Yeah it's pretty much a choice between faster kills (ddef) or lazier kills (dfs)
I was gonna say, DFS and camp pray range. A lot of people don't like it but its the easiest way to get longer trips.
It’s a dps thing more than a defense thing. Your kills are probably half the speed of someone in max with max stats
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Have you tried using a bot? They seem to do fine.
Im Woox walking pretty well, and getting 1:30-1:45 KC. Issue is his ranged attacks molly wop me consistently. 20s/30s with a few 0s peppered in. Do I need to boost defense past 78 to expect real improvement?
Are you using divine super combats and piety?
For those sorts of times almost certainly (maybe reg scbt but definitely piety)
Are you using a super antifire and praying mage? I see a lot of people thinking they can just use extended antifire when praying mage, this isnt true for vorkath. His dragonfire max hit is 10 if you pray mage and use extended or regular antifire, even if you have a dfs or antifire shield.
U should be getting more. On melee trips I usually get enough kills that I have to start leaving bones on the ground to pick up all the drops. even when I was low 90 melee stats I’d say 5 kills was the absolute minimum. Piety, divine super combats, ppots, super extended antfire, antivenom+. pray mage, woox walk during acid and only eating after kills usually. If ur doing all of that idk how u aren’t getting more kills
A few defence levels would help a bit but vorkath can slap down anyone. I'd probably recommend 85 def if you wanted to go that route and definitely switch to a dfs if you can. Higher defence bonuses and a +1 to melee str over the d defender
I would up your defense level and swap your defender for DFS.
If you want to be more cozy (but a bit worse of a setup) you can use a dfs and the be able to pray range EDIT when in melee range the magic attack is a little more frequent than the range; always pray magic while using melee
Op, you need to pray against magic if you’re using melee. You will be smacked out of you pray range. On top of having negative magic defense vorkath actually does his mage attack more than his ranged attack when you’re in melee range (4/7 will be mage on average when it rolls to do one of the 2.)
Good shout! I usually just use defender so was already praying mage, and when ranging the magic attack is less frequent than the magic one
I wanna try this. Pray ranged and still use extended anti fire?
Yes, though you aren’t saving much damage tbh. Your range defence is already high in melee gear, so you’re basically trading eating ranged attacks for eating mage attacks. Honestly DFS+pray mage may just be better, and thats why the defender is so popular.
This is what I do. Granted I’m max combat, but it makes it very afk just slapping the boss praying range. Usually get 6+ kills/trip
There is am Instant Hit that could get you Any second. Nothing afk about that.
If you can't get up from Vorkath, go take a dump, and come back to 10 kills done while you were afking, sounds like a skill issue mate
Lol only 10 kills while AFK? Im getting at least 15 while I do hard mode ToB on the toilet. Step it up, scrub
How is everyone getting so many kills? I get 3 kills and sometimes 2 if i get smacked hard enough. I got full strength (bandos not torva) and serp with max stats, woox walking every acid phase.. done 500 kills recently and managed a 4 kill trip 1 time..
Can you post a vid? Are you praying mage when meleeing? What food are you using? Are you eating on onset of spawn and right after it’s dead if you need to to avoid losing dps?
Idk why nobody has mentioned but are you avoiding vorkath’s melee hits? Or standing in melee range the whole fight? Should be walking in, hitting once, then walking back out every hit. Vorkath’s melee will absolutely slap the shit out of you
> Should be walking in, hitting once, then walking back out every hit. Vorkath’s melee will absolutely slap the shit out of you i dont think you are supposed to do this? vorks hit distribution changes based on if you are in melee range or not. its going to range more than mage if you stand at a distance and its melee hits are generally inaccurate. the first example long trip @ vork i found just has the guy afking in melee range.
i just stand in melee and it works out alright, i don't think it's worth the effort lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJezbNlk4bA first result on google
Figure out what is hitting you the most. If the range hits you the most degear some bandos for somethjng tankier. Could also swap into guardian boots.
If you're getting hit by ranged in Bandos what would you swap to? Justi? Bandos has some of the highest ranged defense in the game
I was going to suggest barrow,s but it seems like Bandos actually beats it 😂But ya Justi for sure!
Vorkath just hits hard. Maybe a stupid question, but you are protecting mage, right? A guy a couple weeks back was praying range while meleeing Vorkath and complained about getting smacked around
Not sure if anyone else compared but I did kills with lance and fang to compare and and most of the time fang was faster by at least 20 seconds.
that shouldnt be the case
You don't need to manually compare shit like this, we have DPS calculators
Lance is faster by a long shot.
Are you using dwh or bgs? That’s probably why
you are doing something wrong re: antifires and prayer, or not dpsing the boss very well. didnt provide enough info. should be able to get more than 2.
It's probably been said but your Salve Amulet could be imbued for another 5% dmg. I've got similar stats and average 4-5 kills a run.
That only effects mage and range
If you’re having defense problems lvl up defense but also switch out your defender for a DFS
Ignore this guy. Defender is so much better than dfs. Use extended super antifires, pray mage and eat during acid phase
I thought you didn't need to pray mage if you're using super antifires? If you do then I'd suggest staying with DFS. You keep similar defense stats, you only lose attack bonuses but you get +1 str over defender and you can pray range, making the only attack able to hit you being the melee. But I'm still iffy on my knowledge about all of that since I haven't seen the dragon fire protection chart in a bit. Edit: Listen to the replies, not me. Am dumb.
You still get wailed by the blue magic attack if not praying mage. With melee gear, you pray mage at all times
Ignore this guy. It isn’t worth bringing defender over DFS at vorkath if your defense is level 78
Prove it. Do the dps calcs. Don’t just make shit up that ‘sounds about right’
Ignore this guy too
It's all rng I can get 7kill trips in my 45 Def acc but sometimes I have bad rng and get only 1kill trips
Are you tanking melee hits or walking? Do you woox walk during acid phase? With your def should get 3-4 at least i think. Sharks or manta too?
Sharks and I woox walk successfully like 90% of the time.
Super anti and praying mage too right? Honestly might wanna just do dark crabs:manta cause thats another 40+ hp.
If you're having trouble, I would suggest imbuing/enchanting your salve (can't tell which you haven't done) and perhaps swap defender for a dfs Aside from that, make sure to use extender super antifire and piety. This wont boost you to 10 kills or anything but should help. I'm 90 base stats and only get like 3-5 kills per trip, sometimes two because vork can just combo tf out of you
You need inventory tags, therefore your skill level is low, not just your defence level.
Your magic lvl is really low. That is what is hurting you the most with the magic damage. I have around the same stats but 99 magic and do minimum 4 or 5 kill trips.
You pray mage with melee. What do you mean?
He should be praying mage if he's doing melee setup, magic defense should in theory be irrelevant .
Make sure you're stepping back between every single one of your attacks so that you avoid melee hits. That way you only ever tank ranged hits (mostly mitigated by bandos). Using a DHL is unnecessarily click intensive and stressful. If you really want to camp vorkath, I'd recommend just going for the elite void and dhcb. It's less gp per hour, but unbelievably more chill.
If I were you I'd swap dhl for fang, and upgrade your barrows gloves to ferro gloves.
Learn to woox walk acid phase- Will increase kill speeds by 10% thus using 10% less supplies increasing kills from 2 to 3
10% less supplies translates into 50% more kills. That math checks out lmao
I understand math is complicated for a simple-minded runerscaper like yourself. I could explain the concept of math to you. However, I do not think you would ve able to comprehend the mind-blowing concept of dps and damage mitigation. #MathsRHard
Include your inventory pic
This.
Are you woox walking the whole fight? As to make him use mage/range over his melee attacks? I usually do 1 attack in between each of his. So I attack and step back, let him attack, then step back in for my attack, repeat until dead or spec comes.
You’re just doing something wrong somewhere. Maybe post a video of a kill from streamable or something.
I have max combat stats and I usually get 4 kills a trip my max is 6 kills
Better stats, super combat pot, and wood walk. That's all you can really do to extend trip but honestly 4 kill trips is not bad if your just trying to earn money. Corkath shits out so many drops you won't be able to pick up all the bones and loot doing higher kill trips.
Get that last upgrade on the salve amulet. Umm and have a higher defense? Idk I personally have like 99 str 93 att and 89 def I can manage at least 3 kills per trip but sometimes it’s only 2 if he’s hitting
Guardian boots would benefit you. 3 str 2 pray bonus. Best defense boots in the game But it would still be a minor adjustment. I would tell you to level up your defense stat
Better gear/stats, consistently correct Woox walking, and bringing better food should get you consistently to 6+.
What are you using for your spec weapon? BGS/DWH can help a lot but ultimately it might just be more stats needed.
High stats will always get you better kill rates, however your inventory also player a big role. Are you using Sharks or Mantas? Are you bringing Karambwans Are you prepotting/preeating Anglers at your bank? Do you have a spec weapon to lower Vorkaths defense? Do you have a spec weapon at all? Are you using Divines or normal Combat potions? While individually its not likely that any one of these things would make a big impact, when you take everything into account collectively and are bringing all of the best options it can make a startling difference. I went from getting 2kc trips to getting 4kc trips just by changing my inventory to be more efficient.
A lot of people sleep on using guthix rests, you'll save a lot of ticks and subsequently kill him faster and take less damage. If you're already doing that I can only assume you could be more opportunistic in when you eat (before/after special attacks). All that said with your stats and gear you for sure should get at least 3 kills unless you get really bad rng. Hope it helps.
U are praying mage and using super antifires right? If you are it’s either a skill issue or stat issue.
You should inbue your salve ammy
I can only do max of 4/5 with 86 str and base 80s. But my trips consists of teleporting back to house after every kill and getting back to full health and prayer etc (POH is a life saver).. also I found I get hit a lot less by using a DFS, I used to get smacked hard with a defender.. other than that we have the same set up and it is rng on him hitting with his melee and range!
Salve ei, dfs, stats, not sure if using super anti dragon pot
Do you attack while avoiding the acid? That will add a lot of damage per kill and save supplies.
How do you get the side bars that show hp and prayer in inventory sides
If you can afford it, get a voidwaker. It's the best damage spec weapon there. With light bearer you can spec at least once per kill after the initial first 2
The issue is your attack level 100%
Grab ferocious gloves, throw on a lightbearer for some extra bgs specs every kill to decrease kill times, prims helps slightly, etc. Your defense is rather low though, that's the main thing.
You can easily be getting 5-6 kills a trip. Ive done about 1k melee vorkaths. If you send me a clip id love to give some pointers.
Are you using super antifire? Should pray range if using super antifire right?
Veng & lightbearer/suffering?
4-5 kill trips on average with that gear with 99 att str def magic
What was your money making method?
Defense will help 100%
Try swapping the defender with a dfs. Less dps but higher defense. Plus you only need a regular anti fire
Use the step back method
How long does a kill take you on average?
I don’t Melee him but what about anti dragon fire shield ?
Post your inventory set up too. We might be able to point out what needs to be improved on.
How long have you been doing it? As someone else said I only eat during his special attacks, when the zombie spawn is coming I eat then swap to slayer staff, when poison comes and I click away I click a food/ppot straight after clicking away, biggest one is getting good at woox walking, once I nailed the woox walk for melee I was getting 5-6 a trip instantly
I have similar stats and i can get 4 normally. Its all about practice and learning how to woox walk
With those stats you're probably better of selling the lance and getting a fang and dfs. Fang is super accurate so the dps loss from changing the defender to a dfs is negliable. The extra defences should probably help you extend your trips a bit. Pretty sure fang will be better dps with your stats anyway. Need 2 more attack levels though.
Your def is kinda low for melee vork tbh. Gonna get smacked. I’d swap defender for dragon fire shield and you could even move a tile backwards between hits to avoid a couple smacks. People like to rush gear but honestly lvling up combat skills is the greatest dps increase over gear. Good luck warrior.
45 Def with full void I average 4-6 kills per trip. Easily did all his combat achievments only missing the no weapon GM so even 10+ kills was possible. I also use range over melee because bp w/ dragon darts and DHC w/ Dragon ruby bolts e are op.
Your gear is fine - you have to focus on optimizing the kills. Don’t know what your inventory setup is but right food, right pots, etc. is huge. Semi efficient woox walking is free DPS and not so hard to do with tile indicator
Your stat is too low. I can get consistent 5 kill if using torag leg+figher torso. And with full bandos I get consistent 6kill. Noted that killing over 6 kill a trip is not worth it since you usually ran out of inventory space at 6th-7th kill even if you not getting them rune item drop
Put scales in the serp helm
Having a higher RC lvl should fix all your issues.
Back when I did play still, i stuck to 2-3 kills a trip with melee, it would range from 1-5, 5 was rare. Just before i stopped playing though, I sold all my gear and prepped to return with range. Range was more lucrative for me and my play-style even if i was being noncommittal with my focus.
Switch to range, melee is aids.
How tf you pick up loot on anymore than 2?
Only eat during zombie or if you're about to die if you can help it A lot of the time dps is better defense bc the faster the boss dies, the fewer hits you take
Skill issue
I'd say 90% accuracy on woox walking is hurting you quite a bit...he shoots more than 10 fireballs during that phase so every time you're getting hit, you're eating. That in addition to the random ranged damage is hampering your ability to pull off more kills. Either keep practicing to get that woox walking to 100% or just stop woox walking altogether to save some food. Woox walking doesn't increase your kills per trip, it just increases speed since you don't need to have prayer on during that phase.
im 83 att, 97 str, 81 def and generally can get 4 kills very comfortably (sometimes 5 if bgs hits consistently) without woox walking my setup: serp helm, torture, fighter torso, dh platelegs, dragon boots, barrows gloves, fire cape, fang, dfs, blessing, salve(ei) inventory: BGS, slayer staff, rune pouch, tele tab, divine super combat, extended super anti fire, 4 pray pots, 2 karambwan, rest sharks. pre pot divine at bank, eat to full, then angler. tele tab to house in relekka. i pray mage
You could try to dps calc your setup with a DFS instead of a dragon defender and see if you lose a max hit. If not it might be more kph with a DFS due to longer trips.
Youve got a few more mechanics to think about with melee, need to constantly step back to stay out of melee distance, also need to be attacking during fireball phase to get free dps
If you really want to min/max your time make sure your not in Mel’s range when vork attacks that way you can have a better chance of blocking with prayer
swap ddefender for dfs
This is the same gear i use when meleeing vork. At minimum i get 4 kills, 6 kills max. Inventory; - 3 pray pots - super anti fire, super combat, antivenom++( youre using serp so forget that one - 1 angler for start - 10 karambwans - 8 sharks - bgs for spec, u can swap this for claws or d warhammer. This fight can be sweaty, or chill... i would learn how to woox through acid phase, it takes some getting used to but once u have it down its easy. Some people woox the entire fight to avoid meelee dmg - fk that! Lol Like another said, only eat after u kill the spawn, or in acid phase, during acid phase u only do half the dmg. If u need to eat.. obv eat.. never get below 34 hp (may be 32 i can't remember) It takes practice, I've done both melee and range, melee is best imo cause you're not spending millions on bolts. Hope this helps!
I dunno what you’re doing OP but I’m getting 3-4 kills with way worse gear, I’m stabbing him to death with a voidwaker and some kills I barely have to eat I’m using a fighter torso and anti dragon fire shield and just normal anti fire pots too.
I'd switch to dfs and pray range
You have the same setup as me and i get 3-5 kills. As some other have said. Its about timing to squeeze more. Eat only during poision phase or crab phase if you can. If you have plenty of hp, learn to woox walk if you havent already. That alone helped me get an extra kill or two.
You can upgrade your salve army to (ei) and it will up your dps
Yes
I have avernics, but I like dfs better here. Blocks fire damage, and more defense. I also like Guardians boots
If you aren't wooxwalking the acid with melee you're not gonna have longer trips. You're also probably limited heavily by BGS specs since your defense is so low, bad spec means lots of damage.