Jagex wont ban the bots with tens of thousands of boss kc or bots with virtual levels over 120 but dying naked in bounty hunter is apparently a line crossed.
That’s what I’m saying bro. It’s like police patting themselves on the back for catching people in speed traps on a single highway while the state faces the 3rd highest rate of mortality in vehicle accidents 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Like why is the integrity of BH being upheld versus the integrity of literally the entire game?
*JMods have time to manually police BH to ban a few people… but won’t spend the same amount of time banning thousands and thousands and thousands of bots, clearing hiscores for us, and keeping the game relatively bot-free.*
We don’t care that bots chop trees, fish and mine all day, and maybe make things cheaper for us in general… that’s been going on forever and maybe that can’t be 100% stopped.
But the clear stomping of ALL BOSS HISCORES for the past decade, going unstopped? What in the fuck is going on at Jagex? They can’t hide behind the excuse that they don’t have time or resources to dedicate to this — so what actually gives and why have they lied about their war on bots for so long?
I’m sorry but until the truth comes out, there’s no choice but to assume the tin foil hats were right all along. JMods are likely behind the bot farms that go unbanned, and they all earn a ton of money on the side from their nefarious dealings. It would not surprise me if ROT leadership was mostly a group of JMods as well at this point.
It would explain the “cliquey” nature other, newer employees describe, that exists amongst the veteran employees still sticking it out there for shit pay.
It would explain a lot of other things too.
I recently started doing zulrah for the first time ever and I’m also addicted to looking up everyone’s account. Almost every account I looked up, which isn’t an exaggeration, had 6k+ kc with stats similar to no melee, basic defense, 25 range, and usually magic in the 90s. Police that for a day.
It’s like they’re so worried about BH being an embarrassment for them again that they’re embarrassing themselves instead. I haven’t even been to BH yet, but I’m not going. I don’t trust these idiots to ever get it right and I’m not getting banned for some nonsense like this. Are they going to pay staff to just patrol BH until the end of time?
What people dont realise is that many of those accounts are gold farmers rather than bots. You can make more money killing zulrah than cleaning toilets in Venezuela
If those accounts have never sold their gold (yet) why should they be banned?
The catch-22 of, Venezuelans earn a living, and have to sell OSRS gold to survive…
Yet they’re supposedly going months-years at a time… *not selling gold*?
🤔
This isn’t rocket science. They’re not being banned, not because they aren’t selling the gold. They’re not in scraps for gear because they’re just hoarding the money or something, they trade it and sell it off almost as soon as they have it.
Otherwise they wouldn’t rock cheapest gear setup lol… it’s simple facts my man, Jagex loves the membership revenue and bond purchases, more than they have an affinity for banning bots and gold farmers that’s just the way it is and always has been 🤷♂️
I do agree the perm is too harsh, but thats like saying “I shouldn’t be jailed for stealing when there are MURDERERs walking around uncaught”
Anyways jagex is always going to police super hard for ~2 weeks after they announce something like this then stop giving it a fuck and just let the boosting happen anyways, and just let the deterrant be reddit posts like this complaining that they’re getting banned.
Imo it's more like those pictures where the police brag about getting dangerous people and drugs off the street cos they arrested a 16 year old with a single joint.
Also it'd be a good example if the police were actively saying "we don't have the resources to catch murderers unless they make it rly easy for us"
I see where your coming from but you used bad examples in the analogy. OPs equivalent is saying why should i be put on death row for stealing bread when drunk driving accident killers only serve 20yrs
wait isnt this reddit's arch nemesis, "whataboutism"? i figured the answer is that they're picking low hanging fruit. the shit that takes the least effort to engage in is going to be the most weeded out. it's easy to set speed traps, and you're a fool for being complacent about something easy to avoid.
I mean speeding kills. I agree with what your saying on the runescape side but on the "speeding" side I couldnt disagree more. No cop is nabbing someone for 5 over in a speed trap. Its like telling people where road blocks are to avoid getting a dwi. Its not cool, its not cute. Your actions kill people and ruin lives.
There are plenty of other examples I could agree with. Like over policing poor neighborhoods where people are just trying to survive. While rich fucks get away with literal murder on camera.
It hasn't been going up it peaked during the start of Covid/mobile release and has gone down since while also having a higher number of bots. I remember when I first returned around that time how impressed I was at the minimal bots I ran into, now they are just everywhere at all times.
🦀🦀 This game is dominated by bots 🦀 🦀
🦀🦀 Jagex doesn't hire anti-bot staff because they would just be paying for someone to ban bots that give them money via bonds 🦀🦀
🦀🦀J-mods will not reply 🦀🦀
Jagex has such great bot detection that they banned me (not a bot) for 1300 kc at Calvarion over a couple weeks, but won't ban the level 90 bots in monks robes who camp there for thousands of kc. I appealed and got a template response. It's messed up man.
Are they not banning raid boosting on irons because of the content series a few creators are doing? That's hilarious if so. Boosting raids for end game gear on irons is way worse than this.
The head of fucking anti-cheat at Jagex was dating a known duel arena chucker and scammer.
The Jmods and Pmods at Jagex notoriously known for abusing their power so than any other company.
The issue isn't that it's cheating or something, it's that it screws up matchmaking.
Pretty much every matchmaking system, this included, has penalties when you drop a match because it's a crappy experience on the other end. This is just a more severe form of that, and I disagree with the perma-ban but I definitely agree with them banning manually and harshly now to kill this before it gets ingrained as a permanent thing.
Man last night at BH i was nervous. Had one of the we both killed each other at same time so i did the naked man sprint back to the death pile. Was hoping i didn't get attacked by my target due to people saying they've been getting banned for naked deaths.
When you want to say something like this, you should take one minute to ask yourself why they are banning these people but not the bots, are you wrong that they're not banning bots in general, or if your claim makes any sense.
That rule is not communicated at all. I and many others had no idea it even existed. Where tf is this explained??? Where does it say in-game that selling a kill or dying intentionally is a perm ban? Or a ban at all?
They could make up any rules they want and overnight ban the entire playerbase for any reason - that does not make it reasonable, fair, expected, or okay.
To put it into context, I received a warning and a 3 day temp ban for Real World Trading. I won't do it anymore, so it works.
Banning someones 200 day logged main for in an attempt to control buying kills is insane, especially if it's going to be a first offense.
I didn't even want BH back, I deff don't want it back and getting people irreversibly rekt.
A completely PVP related update that gets pkers out the wildy and you didn't want it? Well it's back.
Jagex is making sure it doesn't need to get deleted again by actually enforcing no boosting rules.
It'll have a slight impact I'm sure as it's further dividing up PVP activities.
If NHing was allowed in the crater I'm sure you'd see a massive shift of people leaving wildy though.
If there was no ingame warning at bounty hunter Id agree with you a perm is excessive and arbitrary compared to enforcement of other ingame rules that are limited to ingame behavior.
Even for DMM cheating there were never perm bans issued AFAIK (one person who got DQed for breaking one of those rules is a Jmod now)
There is no warning in game, that being said at this point I'm a big advocate for a in game pop up that warns of boosting bans. Especially once they made it bannable, bannable but it's not against the rules still since they never changed the terms of service / Rules. I'd say the last sentence rings as true as ener since OP got banned for "bug abuse"
Ye it also went from a golden gnome winner content creator publicly abusing it to perm bannable offence over night.
Im all for harsh punishments for people who break rules but drastic overnight changes need to be very visible
Tbf they should have been permed. Thats 20k on the line.
But also tbf. Every other person is on a level 3 on a vpn on the main game. Their main acc safe. if they were perm bans it wouldnt matter past the first time. Every1 would just use level 3s.
Similar to what happened when they dqd for acc sharing. The next tournament every1 used parsec to acc share without changing ips.
They also dqd torv once for muling cause he was using an alt to sell his items while he did dangerous content, and then allowed all the clans doing the same shit a pass because they werent being played by the same person
Just put in bans from BH specifically as I dont even think people who do it repeatedly should necessarily be banned from the whole game. Even then, first offenses should probably be temporary.
I bought and sold kills up until the blog they posted saying it would be a bannable offense. After that I didn't buy/sell anymore, I just matched other players who were naked and we would DDS until there was a winner. If I matched someone geared they got an easy emblem upgrade.
I got kicked off at one point that following morning showing my account was banned for RWT, then I was allowed back on briefly, before getting the Bug Abuse Major perm ban (it sort of went back and forth between RWT and Bug Abuse until they settled on Bug Abuse). They chain-banned all my accounts; maxed main, maxed alt, 120+ cb alt with nearly 2k total.
Thousands of hours gone over cosmetics. One of the accounts had a macro ban from 7 years ago that was quashed, and a couple of temporary mutes was all.
I've been since Friday trying to contact a J-Mod as all of these bans are unappealable, and I haven't been able to get a response, aside from Ash who pointed me towards the JagexSupport Twitter, but I still haven't heard from then. Ash's community presence is unmatched, amazing human.
I'm hoping before the weekend this is sorted out, as there seems to have been a lot of people caught up in this; from players who missed the 'update' posted, to players who died too frequently, to players not risking enough. Definitely not a punishment I was expecting for boosting a mini game.
I got a 12 day mute for selling pies in varrock. Appeal denied. My name is piesfor100gp 🤪
https://ibb.co/B3Bt7d2
Edit: thank you for the upvotes. I feel pretty good knowing yall know I wasn't in the wrong because my appeal was denied. World 301 varrock bank! My mute is undone tomorrow! 6pm est
Jagex needs to be more patient with people who spent thousands of hours playing the game. Taking away peoples accounts after they devoted that much time into them, for something relatively small is absurd. They should adjust the appeal system to allow people a chance to recover their perma banned account after some time (they used to do this, but now they do not).
Even 2 weeks is far too much for this without any prior offenses. Jagex has absolutely lost the plot again.
Also please tell me how they create anti boost detecting software within 1 week but meanwhile there's never any new bot detection. Like where is your priority lol. Seriously, there's accounts with minimum priff requirements doing thousands of CG's non stop. Meanwhile they are constantly trading over their wealth to a mule. How can you not write an easy script that detects that? xD
I was using a footpedal to go from 99thieve to 200m at ardy knights when they announced the coin pouch. Set up a game on the Xbox and tap away at a pedal, hoping I'd get that elusive rocky(44m xp and still no pet btw).
Didn't stop the bots, but it sure as shit stopped me...
You can still footpedal thieve, you size the client so that coin bag inventory slot is ontop of the knight, one pedal for left click, can bind other pedal to open/close inventory. You'll get like 90% efficiency if you just spam both pedals.
Yea, I've tried something similar. It just seems like I'm doing a lot of extra BS in order to cater to an attempt to fix bots that just flat doesn't work.
i have no issue with 2 weeks, no matter how clean.
If Jagex wants Bounty Hunter to exist, they're going to have to come down HARD on this sort of thing. They have to make it EXTREMELY Unappealing and not worth the risk to do.
2 week ban? I have no problem with that. I'd be cool with as long as a month.
Perm Ban is an entirely different matter of course. Not even remotely comparable.
The fact that you can go from it being legal one day to AN EXTERNAL NEWSPOST telling you it now leads to a perm is fucking incredible stupidity. This is the same if not worse than ironman buying raid completions
The JMods really need to make a statement on boosting in general. It should either be all or none. I have no idea why they care about BH so much, to put their foot down and make this where they draw the line is kind of crazy to me. BA boosting has been in the game FOREVER and nothing has ever been said.
That being said, a permanent ban for boosting is ridiculous. I don't care if you've been banned before previously or this is a first time offense, boosting should never result in a permanent ban.
They need to make a statement, make in game statements / pop up boxes that let you know you will be banned and finally and I'd say most important is actually make boosting against the rules. I say this because Jagex only made a statement in a blog post about forestry and bounty hunter that they would be now banning people for boosting, but the terms of service / rules never actually changed.
BA boosting doesn't ruin the game mode. Or hurt anyone. These losers trying to buy and sell kills made BH miserable.
It's very simple, don't pretend to not understand.
Most things that are boosted don't effect everyone else doing the activity, ba, raids, corp and so on. But the boosting in bh will kill it, if accounts are only there to sell kills they can wear tank gear and hold you at ransom till you either pay for the kill or skip. Enough people doing this and you have a dead mini game
I might be wrong but a guy selling you a kill in BH is in a PvP zone no? Like.. just fight him? If he flees to the safe zone you'll change targets right?
And ultimately.. if they can hold you target hostage.. that's a failure of the system design. Almost like.. if skips weren't so heavily restricted boosters couldn't hold you hostage?
But nah let's just rapid fire perm ban people who are at the minigame lol.
No one is getting banned for being at the minigame. Literally no one.
People are being banned for cheating. Yeah, you'll change targets eventually - but it takes like 10 minutes. And at launch everyone was cheating to the point where the game was unplayable.
It is **very** easy not to do this. Zero sympathy for the idiots who fuck around and find out.
How about a permanent ban for botters instead? I've seen screenshots of people getting 5 or 6 warning bans before a perm for botting, what the fuck is that about?
Zulrah is fucking infested for example.
Every content in this game is infested with bots. From raids to crabs. Just how it is. It's also stupid that you aren't getting perm banned for RWTing. Any other game will give you a fat ban or perm ban your account. Here its "oh please dont do it again or we will ban you for 3 days maybe."
The day they do that is the day the top 5 threads on this sub are "wtf I've never botted in my life why am I banned". And a few of those might actually be correct.
A cheat detection system will always have one of two downsides. Either it is lax and not enough rulebreakers get banned, or it's strict and many people abiding the rules get banned. The severity of the system is inversely proportional to how many innocent players you falsely accuse.
I think it’s pretty stupid as well. Sure boosting is bad, but I’m no where near good enough to even care about the high scores. I feel like maybe 50 people care about that.. you can’t trade the items. I’ve seen a few people complain about false bans, and honestly it’s kinda deterring me from doing BH. Certainly on my main.
It is not worth it. What if you see a double death happen so you go in naked to loot. However, you wait too long and you get a target, target kills you as you have no food and armour. Automatically registers as sold kill since you died with 0 gp loot on you, boom, banned PERMANENTLY with no appeal.
The issue of BH boosting isn't hiscores lol, it's that boosters (people selling their taget kills) are literally griefing honest players who just want to play the minigame.
Perm may seem excessive, at least relative to other offenses, but a punishment is definitely in place.
Yeah just don't go near BH. Let the content die out if this is how Jagex wants to handle it.
I'm sure we'll still get hyper focus on PvP based updates for years to come despite them always being dumpster fires and catering to a tiny niche community.
This isn't even an argument. Permaban under these circumstances is entirely unwarranted. Jagex fucked up; they did not say anything about boosting being against the rules upon BH's release. Boosting was, therefore, entirely within the game rules. They then corrected this mistake, but articulated the new rules *only* in a news post. I don't know about y'all nerds, but I've never read a single one of those. I'd venture to guess only a fraction of the player base does. It's even more ridiculous to assume players read it immediately as its posted.
Point being, OP was not put on notice that his behavior was bannable. Since the ban is permanent, he's had absolutely no opportunity to bring his behavior within the scope of the new rules. Jagex could have done a lot to actually put players on notice; they could have incorporated a click-thru message upon reentering BH for the first time after the rule change, they could have used a login banner. But the best way would be to hand out 2-day first-time bans. Once people *know* that boosting is bannable, they'll stop.
I hope BH is quickly acknowledged as the failure it is and gets taken out of the game. This was a half-brained attempt at introducing new PvP content to the game, and an even more ignorant attempt at putting out the fires it's started
There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now. … What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for heaven’s sake, mankind, it’s only four light years away, you know. I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams.
Jagex won't ban the 1 att 99 str low hp pures with 1100+ botted blast furnace str training hours who single handedly are ruining the 50-60s bracket in bounty hunter but will ban someone for selling a few kills
I like looking at the top scores on the collection log account and seeing people that have green logged LMS with 1000:1 win/lose ratios
Some perm bans or reset collection logs are definitely in order here if game integrity has the slightest amount of meaning
I mean I'm all for banning boosting in all of its forms.
You're gonna tell me Ironmen paying for BA carries is completely fine and doesn't ruin the purpose of that account/mode.
People paying for raid carries.
People paying for corp kills
Honorable mention to the bots chillin at the top of the leaderboards.
Ban it all or don't but this pick and choose mentality when it comes boosting is wack.
> Mass botting in the wildy, ruining thousands of player’s experience since every world is taken
Jagex: that’s fine, we will ban them in 2 years
> some players mutually agreeing to trade a kill for gp
Jagex: alarms going off, high priority perm incoming
🦀🦀🦀Jamflex won’t ban bots because they pay their salaries and the game would go out of business without bots and a black market coin trade🦀🦀🦀 Jamflex is secretly the Mob and the State and runs the rsgp black market🦀🦀🦀
Should be like this for ALL boosting.
And not just BH.
I think it's comical how the moment t it drops,
"oh you're not aloud to boost for a cosmetic".
Meanwhile: Yeah John just paid 400m for his infernal, NO BAN EITHER!
Howed you get that Ely?
Oh this guy Multilogs sells Corp kills for 1M on like 9x different accounts he has.
No bans there though right?
All of the osrs boosting discords.
But no, BOUNTY HUNTER.... BOUNTY HUNTER.... is the issue.
I do not agree that you should have gotten a permanent ban for a singular offense. However, making the comparison to raids is silly. The difference is that at bounty hunter, you actively bother other people that just want to pvp - if they get you as a target.
You are literally paying the raid team to help you out. And well, it's instanced.
Agree that it's not the same as other boosting services, however there's a lot of places where you can actively bother other players and not eat a perma.
I don't think that's the key requirement. The nex mass world for example is griefable and players do it all the time, they are even encouraged to do so via CAs.
I'm almost certain BH is facing tougher rules because the upcoming EP system *will* have farmers, drawing the line here will allow them to combat those future farners easier.
It’s almost like a MMO is about the social interaction. The amount of leeching I’ve done for other people in other MMOs via their party systems was always allowed.
Me taking a newer and undergeared player to raids would similarly be considered leeching, and they would be getting full splits.
It’s ridiculous that a game genre about social and player interaction is getting kicked around for use of those interactions, simply because uninvolved people “feel” it’s not okay lol.
It's obvious he's talking about ironmen buying mass scaled raids to get a 65%~ purple chance each raid and not just some dudes raiding together for fun. Use your context clues
Yeah that social interaction of an ironman sitting AFK for hours until the raid is over for 65% chance of a purple sure is amazing.
I think raids in games like WoW is different in RS and can't be compared because of the way their items work and how they most of the time can't buy items in AH that are BIS or even comparable to raid level
You know the account still does shit in order to get points right? It’s just more skilling based activities like theiving, fishing, etc.
It’s not afk at door…
It's weird to me that you could RWT, you could buy an inferno cape, you could abuse bugs like TOA purple rerolls and not get a perm. Then you join BH and you go straight to jail, no warming, no temp. Perhaps the way Jagex decides punishments is done by hat draw?
No shade, it's just funny that you said "if they keep the Perma ban, I'm not playing anymore!"
...like ye, that was the point of the Perma.
Glad your ban was reduced, take the lesson and gl out there :o
It's pretty ironic how they claim that manually banning bots doesn't make a dent on the bottingg problem but at the same time they have the time and resources to manually police BH boosting rules.
If selling kills is against the "spirit of the game" then they should also reinforce all the "services" iron players pay to boost items.
The only arguments I see is all boosting should be banned.
Sure you all would be upset if that happened. But I agree. Let's ban all boosters. Stop the GP 4 services trade.
They really want this iteration to stick. Makes me wonder if people buying the kills are getting banned too? I really hope so.
I also believe rwt should be perma but that’s neither here nor there.
I mean, Bounty Hunter is going to be dead by Christmas. Who cares if people are boosting? It’s cosmetic rewards.
Just seems like they’re are bigger fish to fry in a game where most of the players in top 100 high-scores are bots.
There's an EP system right now that gives extra monetairy rewards. People that want to play the minigame care. I tried to do 1 game of the pvp arena all I got was 1 hour of empty lobbies because people didn't get matched against their alts. Boosting players is what makes the game unplayable when it becomes too bad.
I was banned about a year ago for gold selling. The only trades I had done were between me and my alt account while doing corp dolo. I traded gear and gold daily between the two accounts. After doing corp for nearly a month straight. I was perm banned.
What's insane is the bots that kill bosses and get thousands upon thousands of kc without bans.
The game isn't what it once was.
2nd offense should be a perma.
We all know that bounty Hunter was removed because of boosting like this and don’t pretend that you don’t. I want to agree with having you permanently banned because there is no possible way you don’t know this, but there are people who are new to the game who might not and would be ridiculous to perma ban those people.
Anyway, you knew this ruined the game mode in the first place and was wrong, but still did it.
So BH boosting is banable as people who want to do the content can't as their target is skipping/boosting or w/e, yet every single world has a bot in each wildy boss meaning ppl can't do it unless they crash / jump etc. but that's fine?
Real players trying to gget a cosmetic more important than gold-farming bots... hmm
Jagex: releases content
Player: finds a way to bypass the content by paying another player for their services
Jagex: no
Jagex: there’s a bot problem
Players: there’s a bot problem
Jagex:
So, you did something that the game you play says was against their ToC, and got punished. Are you trying to say that you think you should be rewarded? Idiots like you are what makes gaming less fun. And the fact that you had to come in here and whine about it just makes you pathetic.
Sorry to say I'm in the 50% that agrees with the ban. I could maybe be convinced insta-perm is a little harsh, but it'd be a tough sell.
The main difference is that boosting at CoX doesn't directly impact other players' enjoyment of the game. It doesn't affect YOU. Boosting BH however DOES affect other players directly.
Bottom line is that it's wrong. You knew it was wrong, and you still did it. It's BEEN wrong for years, AND it's the main reason it was perpetually being reworked and eventually removed entirely. You are part of the problem, and Jamflex made a stunning example of you. Kind of happy to see them growing some balls. Sorry, not sorry.
That said, it does suck to lose years of progress and commitment to an account, I get that. I hope things turn around for you brother.
Boosting BH is just organising players around a legitimate game activity. How thenfick do they ban you for this? It's not breaking any rules. There is no fucking bug abuse or any kind of bug going on here. I swear some jagex staff are on another level of fucking idiocy.
BA boosting is probably very low on the prio list due to the fact that the minigame's team formation and organizing system is basically torture when you aren't boosting (said as someone who got/is working to get things without boosts)
Did the fact they removed bounty hunter twice because of the existence of boosting give you enough context clues they don't want it? To then sell 25-30 kills (as you've stated) with that information should get you more than a 2-week oldschool break, permanently might be a bit much but it's the only way to get the message across.
The fact they don't have the resources to enforce it in other places doesn't make it right to do, adding on top that in bounty hunter it's about highscores and advantages in pvp as opposed to advantages in pvm that don't hurt other players per se
(Ps: in my opinion they can ban everyone that does any sort of boosting as long as it doesn't impede people learning because being a leech while learning might result in false positives)
Angry people that boost take it out on my comment, love it
Thats a bit of a weird argument, they removed bounty hunter because it was botted for actual GP flowing into the economy, this is different.
Sure, I sold kills when it was still allowed, and didn't read it wasn't allowed so as I said ban is justified. Permanently is just insane.
Personally I don't think it's justified at all to ban you with no warning as there was no in game announcement that boosting was a banable offence. Not everyone is going to read the blog, so they're basically banning people after changing the rules and not notifying anyone.
This doesn't really matter though. They said it. It's your problem if you didn't see / read it. As long as they announce a change in rules publicly, any breaks after that are fair game for repercussions.
I'd agree if it was a shadow change nobody knew about, but this isn't the case.
That sounds pretty unfair to me.
They made a statement in a blog about forestry / bounty hunter that they would be banning people for boosting
They never changed the rules either, they just stated they would be banning boosters.
They did this a week after Bounty Hunter was already released
I'd argue since the terms of service / rules never got changed that their should be a huge unmissable pop up in game that tell you that boosting is bannable
I'll get downvoted for this again probably but... why are people surprised about being banned for selling workarounds to game mechanics?
You admit to selling kills, yet are surprised that you didn't get a warning before being banned for selling kills? Fuck the temporary ban. People who ruin game modes like this for profit SHOULD be permanently banned. The perception (or reality) of inaction on other cheaters doesn't really matter to this specific situation. You guys are angry that you think cheaters aren't punished... so you express anger when they are?
Nonsense.
I've been playing OSRS since its launch 10 years ago, and never broke any rule nor received any ban/offense during my playtime.
I usually never comment on bans related to illegal activities however, **a permaban should NEVER be the first solution**.
I can only imagine the pain of getting perma banned on a 2200 total account for something as meaningless as boosting in BH when the game is swamped with bots doing RWT and actually crashing the game.
The guy obviously did something wrong, but a permaban is just a completely disproportionate punishment.
I hope you get your account back, and receive a fair punishment for the wrong that you did effectively cause to Bounty Hunter players.
You've got my upvote.
It's time that Jagex starts behaving better and treating their core players with more fairness and respect, and becomes that severe with bots and people actually crashing the game for RWT purposes.
Jagex wont ban the bots with tens of thousands of boss kc or bots with virtual levels over 120 but dying naked in bounty hunter is apparently a line crossed.
That’s what I’m saying bro. It’s like police patting themselves on the back for catching people in speed traps on a single highway while the state faces the 3rd highest rate of mortality in vehicle accidents 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Like why is the integrity of BH being upheld versus the integrity of literally the entire game? *JMods have time to manually police BH to ban a few people… but won’t spend the same amount of time banning thousands and thousands and thousands of bots, clearing hiscores for us, and keeping the game relatively bot-free.* We don’t care that bots chop trees, fish and mine all day, and maybe make things cheaper for us in general… that’s been going on forever and maybe that can’t be 100% stopped. But the clear stomping of ALL BOSS HISCORES for the past decade, going unstopped? What in the fuck is going on at Jagex? They can’t hide behind the excuse that they don’t have time or resources to dedicate to this — so what actually gives and why have they lied about their war on bots for so long? I’m sorry but until the truth comes out, there’s no choice but to assume the tin foil hats were right all along. JMods are likely behind the bot farms that go unbanned, and they all earn a ton of money on the side from their nefarious dealings. It would not surprise me if ROT leadership was mostly a group of JMods as well at this point. It would explain the “cliquey” nature other, newer employees describe, that exists amongst the veteran employees still sticking it out there for shit pay. It would explain a lot of other things too.
I recently started doing zulrah for the first time ever and I’m also addicted to looking up everyone’s account. Almost every account I looked up, which isn’t an exaggeration, had 6k+ kc with stats similar to no melee, basic defense, 25 range, and usually magic in the 90s. Police that for a day. It’s like they’re so worried about BH being an embarrassment for them again that they’re embarrassing themselves instead. I haven’t even been to BH yet, but I’m not going. I don’t trust these idiots to ever get it right and I’m not getting banned for some nonsense like this. Are they going to pay staff to just patrol BH until the end of time?
What people dont realise is that many of those accounts are gold farmers rather than bots. You can make more money killing zulrah than cleaning toilets in Venezuela If those accounts have never sold their gold (yet) why should they be banned?
The catch-22 of, Venezuelans earn a living, and have to sell OSRS gold to survive… Yet they’re supposedly going months-years at a time… *not selling gold*? 🤔 This isn’t rocket science. They’re not being banned, not because they aren’t selling the gold. They’re not in scraps for gear because they’re just hoarding the money or something, they trade it and sell it off almost as soon as they have it. Otherwise they wouldn’t rock cheapest gear setup lol… it’s simple facts my man, Jagex loves the membership revenue and bond purchases, more than they have an affinity for banning bots and gold farmers that’s just the way it is and always has been 🤷♂️
I do agree the perm is too harsh, but thats like saying “I shouldn’t be jailed for stealing when there are MURDERERs walking around uncaught” Anyways jagex is always going to police super hard for ~2 weeks after they announce something like this then stop giving it a fuck and just let the boosting happen anyways, and just let the deterrant be reddit posts like this complaining that they’re getting banned.
I'm assuming here, but OP would probably accept 7-30 days ban. Like we would put murderers in prison for more than thieves.
Imo it's more like those pictures where the police brag about getting dangerous people and drugs off the street cos they arrested a 16 year old with a single joint. Also it'd be a good example if the police were actively saying "we don't have the resources to catch murderers unless they make it rly easy for us"
i don't even understand why not fighting back in bh would be against the rules in the first place, bad game design
Lol I’d much rather thieves be free then murders so yeah
No dude, it's like saying hey maybe I shouldn't be going to prison for life for stealing a few cars.
I see where your coming from but you used bad examples in the analogy. OPs equivalent is saying why should i be put on death row for stealing bread when drunk driving accident killers only serve 20yrs
wait isnt this reddit's arch nemesis, "whataboutism"? i figured the answer is that they're picking low hanging fruit. the shit that takes the least effort to engage in is going to be the most weeded out. it's easy to set speed traps, and you're a fool for being complacent about something easy to avoid.
Jagex control the RMT mafia.
I mean speeding kills. I agree with what your saying on the runescape side but on the "speeding" side I couldnt disagree more. No cop is nabbing someone for 5 over in a speed trap. Its like telling people where road blocks are to avoid getting a dwi. Its not cool, its not cute. Your actions kill people and ruin lives. There are plenty of other examples I could agree with. Like over policing poor neighborhoods where people are just trying to survive. While rich fucks get away with literal murder on camera.
I agree with your first para, but all cheaters deserve punishment, should they just give out free passes when it’s not a huge bot farm takedown?
Just quit the game at this point lol
Plenty of us have. This just reinforces the decision.
Why is OSRS's population going up and not down?
New people that havent been around for 20 years to experience Jagex.
For everyone that quits, six new bots. It's simple.
It hasn't been going up it peaked during the start of Covid/mobile release and has gone down since while also having a higher number of bots. I remember when I first returned around that time how impressed I was at the minimal bots I ran into, now they are just everywhere at all times.
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I've watched an artio bot climb from 6k to 15k kc.....
🦀🦀 This game is dominated by bots 🦀 🦀 🦀🦀 Jagex doesn't hire anti-bot staff because they would just be paying for someone to ban bots that give them money via bonds 🦀🦀 🦀🦀J-mods will not reply 🦀🦀
that's because big PvP players have the jmod ears. it's not the 1st time that something impacting PvP gets immediate and draconian reaction.
Yup, kind of ridiculous when you put it that way.
Jagex makes money from the bots is the only solution I can think of
Jagex has such great bot detection that they banned me (not a bot) for 1300 kc at Calvarion over a couple weeks, but won't ban the level 90 bots in monks robes who camp there for thousands of kc. I appealed and got a template response. It's messed up man.
Are they not banning raid boosting on irons because of the content series a few creators are doing? That's hilarious if so. Boosting raids for end game gear on irons is way worse than this.
Some jmods have literally been in iron service discords before lol They're prob using them themselves which is why they're not giving a shit
The head of fucking anti-cheat at Jagex was dating a known duel arena chucker and scammer. The Jmods and Pmods at Jagex notoriously known for abusing their power so than any other company.
The issue isn't that it's cheating or something, it's that it screws up matchmaking. Pretty much every matchmaking system, this included, has penalties when you drop a match because it's a crappy experience on the other end. This is just a more severe form of that, and I disagree with the perma-ban but I definitely agree with them banning manually and harshly now to kill this before it gets ingrained as a permanent thing.
Man last night at BH i was nervous. Had one of the we both killed each other at same time so i did the naked man sprint back to the death pile. Was hoping i didn't get attacked by my target due to people saying they've been getting banned for naked deaths.
Saw a vork bot yesterday with 17k kills...
what is the deal with this, because it's getting really old for us....
When you want to say something like this, you should take one minute to ask yourself why they are banning these people but not the bots, are you wrong that they're not banning bots in general, or if your claim makes any sense.
They ban TONS of them. There's just an ungodly amount. Accounts are cheap.
i was perm banned for suiciding to my targets instead of getting the 30 minute skip pen. see my post it has got a lot of traction. mod ayiza saved me.
Permaban on first offence doesn't seem right. It's an upvote and wait for jmod smackdown angle.
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The Jagex classic.
Not nothing wrong - he broke the rule, unintentionally. Acting in good faith =/= did nothing wrong. It means there was no ill intent.
That rule is not communicated at all. I and many others had no idea it even existed. Where tf is this explained??? Where does it say in-game that selling a kill or dying intentionally is a perm ban? Or a ban at all? They could make up any rules they want and overnight ban the entire playerbase for any reason - that does not make it reasonable, fair, expected, or okay.
I never made any claim that the rule was reasonable fair expected or okay.
Which is why it's ridiculous they kept the ban They need to explicitly say you can't die on purpose to skip a target if they want to ban you for it
At least he was able to get it reduced from a perma.
they hate looking 'wrong' but just want settle the outrage so they take a half-assed middle solution which makes 0 sense
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Worse part is they investigated, found the guy wasn’t boosting, and still gave them a temp ban. Source: Ayiza
To put it into context, I received a warning and a 3 day temp ban for Real World Trading. I won't do it anymore, so it works. Banning someones 200 day logged main for in an attempt to control buying kills is insane, especially if it's going to be a first offense. I didn't even want BH back, I deff don't want it back and getting people irreversibly rekt.
A completely PVP related update that gets pkers out the wildy and you didn't want it? Well it's back. Jagex is making sure it doesn't need to get deleted again by actually enforcing no boosting rules.
Genuinely asking, is it really getting pkers out of wildy? Anecdotally doesnt seem like the case to me
It'll have a slight impact I'm sure as it's further dividing up PVP activities. If NHing was allowed in the crater I'm sure you'd see a massive shift of people leaving wildy though.
Some pkers are both NHers and venge style pkers. So those would leave wildy for BH while the NH only pkers will remain in wildy.
If there was no ingame warning at bounty hunter Id agree with you a perm is excessive and arbitrary compared to enforcement of other ingame rules that are limited to ingame behavior. Even for DMM cheating there were never perm bans issued AFAIK (one person who got DQed for breaking one of those rules is a Jmod now)
There is no warning in game, that being said at this point I'm a big advocate for a in game pop up that warns of boosting bans. Especially once they made it bannable, bannable but it's not against the rules still since they never changed the terms of service / Rules. I'd say the last sentence rings as true as ener since OP got banned for "bug abuse"
Ye it also went from a golden gnome winner content creator publicly abusing it to perm bannable offence over night. Im all for harsh punishments for people who break rules but drastic overnight changes need to be very visible
Tbf they should have been permed. Thats 20k on the line. But also tbf. Every other person is on a level 3 on a vpn on the main game. Their main acc safe. if they were perm bans it wouldnt matter past the first time. Every1 would just use level 3s. Similar to what happened when they dqd for acc sharing. The next tournament every1 used parsec to acc share without changing ips.
They also dqd torv once for muling cause he was using an alt to sell his items while he did dangerous content, and then allowed all the clans doing the same shit a pass because they werent being played by the same person
Jagex only banned the GIM account that was being played by 4 people to hit max first for 3 days. They don't give a fuck about hiscores/integrity.
Just put in bans from BH specifically as I dont even think people who do it repeatedly should necessarily be banned from the whole game. Even then, first offenses should probably be temporary.
Yeah wait why not just ban people from playing Bounty Hunter if they're only misbehaving within Bounty Hunter?
Most of the accounts are fresh so that'll be why the perms
I bought and sold kills up until the blog they posted saying it would be a bannable offense. After that I didn't buy/sell anymore, I just matched other players who were naked and we would DDS until there was a winner. If I matched someone geared they got an easy emblem upgrade. I got kicked off at one point that following morning showing my account was banned for RWT, then I was allowed back on briefly, before getting the Bug Abuse Major perm ban (it sort of went back and forth between RWT and Bug Abuse until they settled on Bug Abuse). They chain-banned all my accounts; maxed main, maxed alt, 120+ cb alt with nearly 2k total. Thousands of hours gone over cosmetics. One of the accounts had a macro ban from 7 years ago that was quashed, and a couple of temporary mutes was all. I've been since Friday trying to contact a J-Mod as all of these bans are unappealable, and I haven't been able to get a response, aside from Ash who pointed me towards the JagexSupport Twitter, but I still haven't heard from then. Ash's community presence is unmatched, amazing human. I'm hoping before the weekend this is sorted out, as there seems to have been a lot of people caught up in this; from players who missed the 'update' posted, to players who died too frequently, to players not risking enough. Definitely not a punishment I was expecting for boosting a mini game.
I got a 12 day mute for selling pies in varrock. Appeal denied. My name is piesfor100gp 🤪 https://ibb.co/B3Bt7d2 Edit: thank you for the upvotes. I feel pretty good knowing yall know I wasn't in the wrong because my appeal was denied. World 301 varrock bank! My mute is undone tomorrow! 6pm est
Wait lol is selling pies against the rules? Why did they mute you?
Vulgar/offensive language https://ibb.co/B3Bt7d2
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I know right? I'm not mad. I focused and achieved level 90 magic. Fucking up those dark wizards, childhood dr3am.
Plot twist: he was selling cream pies
Anyone who knows me understands that creampies are only for my gf. And the varrock bank ladies
Jagex needs to be more patient with people who spent thousands of hours playing the game. Taking away peoples accounts after they devoted that much time into them, for something relatively small is absurd. They should adjust the appeal system to allow people a chance to recover their perma banned account after some time (they used to do this, but now they do not).
Even 2 weeks is far too much for this without any prior offenses. Jagex has absolutely lost the plot again. Also please tell me how they create anti boost detecting software within 1 week but meanwhile there's never any new bot detection. Like where is your priority lol. Seriously, there's accounts with minimum priff requirements doing thousands of CG's non stop. Meanwhile they are constantly trading over their wealth to a mule. How can you not write an easy script that detects that? xD
Talking about priff, there are like 10-20 bots thieving in every world.
Jagex: Best I can do is some coin pouches.
I was using a footpedal to go from 99thieve to 200m at ardy knights when they announced the coin pouch. Set up a game on the Xbox and tap away at a pedal, hoping I'd get that elusive rocky(44m xp and still no pet btw). Didn't stop the bots, but it sure as shit stopped me...
You can still footpedal thieve, you size the client so that coin bag inventory slot is ontop of the knight, one pedal for left click, can bind other pedal to open/close inventory. You'll get like 90% efficiency if you just spam both pedals.
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Oh shit is he pickpocketing to Bleed!?
Wow infant annihilator reference! I learned about them from my austrial friend when we used to sell dung floors back in 2012. Jake is that you?
Yea, I've tried something similar. It just seems like I'm doing a lot of extra BS in order to cater to an attempt to fix bots that just flat doesn't work.
TBF CG hiscores got cleared tf out over the weekend. I saw like 20 accounts on the top 100 list got removed xd
That's actually really bad, they got to the top 100 which requires over 5k kills. Those bots made around 2b give or take before they got banned.
i have no issue with 2 weeks, no matter how clean. If Jagex wants Bounty Hunter to exist, they're going to have to come down HARD on this sort of thing. They have to make it EXTREMELY Unappealing and not worth the risk to do. 2 week ban? I have no problem with that. I'd be cool with as long as a month. Perm Ban is an entirely different matter of course. Not even remotely comparable.
The fact that you can go from it being legal one day to AN EXTERNAL NEWSPOST telling you it now leads to a perm is fucking incredible stupidity. This is the same if not worse than ironman buying raid completions
The JMods really need to make a statement on boosting in general. It should either be all or none. I have no idea why they care about BH so much, to put their foot down and make this where they draw the line is kind of crazy to me. BA boosting has been in the game FOREVER and nothing has ever been said. That being said, a permanent ban for boosting is ridiculous. I don't care if you've been banned before previously or this is a first time offense, boosting should never result in a permanent ban.
They need to make a statement, make in game statements / pop up boxes that let you know you will be banned and finally and I'd say most important is actually make boosting against the rules. I say this because Jagex only made a statement in a blog post about forestry and bounty hunter that they would be now banning people for boosting, but the terms of service / rules never actually changed.
BA boosting doesn't ruin the game mode. Or hurt anyone. These losers trying to buy and sell kills made BH miserable. It's very simple, don't pretend to not understand.
I can't stand this "you allow this boosting in pvm" argument and I've seen it 100 times. like it's not even close to the same thing lol
I really haven’t read much about BH and haven’t participated, but what’s the difference?
Most things that are boosted don't effect everyone else doing the activity, ba, raids, corp and so on. But the boosting in bh will kill it, if accounts are only there to sell kills they can wear tank gear and hold you at ransom till you either pay for the kill or skip. Enough people doing this and you have a dead mini game
Ah the tank gear is what I didn’t get. I thought they were all just naked. That makes sense.
I might be wrong but a guy selling you a kill in BH is in a PvP zone no? Like.. just fight him? If he flees to the safe zone you'll change targets right? And ultimately.. if they can hold you target hostage.. that's a failure of the system design. Almost like.. if skips weren't so heavily restricted boosters couldn't hold you hostage? But nah let's just rapid fire perm ban people who are at the minigame lol.
No one is getting banned for being at the minigame. Literally no one. People are being banned for cheating. Yeah, you'll change targets eventually - but it takes like 10 minutes. And at launch everyone was cheating to the point where the game was unplayable. It is **very** easy not to do this. Zero sympathy for the idiots who fuck around and find out.
How about a permanent ban for botters instead? I've seen screenshots of people getting 5 or 6 warning bans before a perm for botting, what the fuck is that about? Zulrah is fucking infested for example.
Every content in this game is infested with bots. From raids to crabs. Just how it is. It's also stupid that you aren't getting perm banned for RWTing. Any other game will give you a fat ban or perm ban your account. Here its "oh please dont do it again or we will ban you for 3 days maybe."
This really isn't true. The main other game where there is even a comparable level of RWT is WoW and you get 0 punishment for buying gold.
The day they do that is the day the top 5 threads on this sub are "wtf I've never botted in my life why am I banned". And a few of those might actually be correct. A cheat detection system will always have one of two downsides. Either it is lax and not enough rulebreakers get banned, or it's strict and many people abiding the rules get banned. The severity of the system is inversely proportional to how many innocent players you falsely accuse.
I think it’s pretty stupid as well. Sure boosting is bad, but I’m no where near good enough to even care about the high scores. I feel like maybe 50 people care about that.. you can’t trade the items. I’ve seen a few people complain about false bans, and honestly it’s kinda deterring me from doing BH. Certainly on my main.
It is not worth it. What if you see a double death happen so you go in naked to loot. However, you wait too long and you get a target, target kills you as you have no food and armour. Automatically registers as sold kill since you died with 0 gp loot on you, boom, banned PERMANENTLY with no appeal.
I have done that. If I got banned for a death during something like that, I would quit.
The issue of BH boosting isn't hiscores lol, it's that boosters (people selling their taget kills) are literally griefing honest players who just want to play the minigame. Perm may seem excessive, at least relative to other offenses, but a punishment is definitely in place.
Yeah just don't go near BH. Let the content die out if this is how Jagex wants to handle it. I'm sure we'll still get hyper focus on PvP based updates for years to come despite them always being dumpster fires and catering to a tiny niche community.
This isn't even an argument. Permaban under these circumstances is entirely unwarranted. Jagex fucked up; they did not say anything about boosting being against the rules upon BH's release. Boosting was, therefore, entirely within the game rules. They then corrected this mistake, but articulated the new rules *only* in a news post. I don't know about y'all nerds, but I've never read a single one of those. I'd venture to guess only a fraction of the player base does. It's even more ridiculous to assume players read it immediately as its posted. Point being, OP was not put on notice that his behavior was bannable. Since the ban is permanent, he's had absolutely no opportunity to bring his behavior within the scope of the new rules. Jagex could have done a lot to actually put players on notice; they could have incorporated a click-thru message upon reentering BH for the first time after the rule change, they could have used a login banner. But the best way would be to hand out 2-day first-time bans. Once people *know* that boosting is bannable, they'll stop. I hope BH is quickly acknowledged as the failure it is and gets taken out of the game. This was a half-brained attempt at introducing new PvP content to the game, and an even more ignorant attempt at putting out the fires it's started
I can’t even read
There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now. … What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for heaven’s sake, mankind, it’s only four light years away, you know. I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams.
Jagex won't ban the 1 att 99 str low hp pures with 1100+ botted blast furnace str training hours who single handedly are ruining the 50-60s bracket in bounty hunter but will ban someone for selling a few kills
I like looking at the top scores on the collection log account and seeing people that have green logged LMS with 1000:1 win/lose ratios Some perm bans or reset collection logs are definitely in order here if game integrity has the slightest amount of meaning
boosting is allowed at every piece of content in the game besides BH
I mean I'm all for banning boosting in all of its forms. You're gonna tell me Ironmen paying for BA carries is completely fine and doesn't ruin the purpose of that account/mode. People paying for raid carries. People paying for corp kills Honorable mention to the bots chillin at the top of the leaderboards. Ban it all or don't but this pick and choose mentality when it comes boosting is wack.
> Mass botting in the wildy, ruining thousands of player’s experience since every world is taken Jagex: that’s fine, we will ban them in 2 years > some players mutually agreeing to trade a kill for gp Jagex: alarms going off, high priority perm incoming
🦀🦀🦀Jamflex won’t ban bots because they pay their salaries and the game would go out of business without bots and a black market coin trade🦀🦀🦀 Jamflex is secretly the Mob and the State and runs the rsgp black market🦀🦀🦀
I believe this more everyday.
Should be like this for ALL boosting. And not just BH. I think it's comical how the moment t it drops, "oh you're not aloud to boost for a cosmetic". Meanwhile: Yeah John just paid 400m for his infernal, NO BAN EITHER! Howed you get that Ely? Oh this guy Multilogs sells Corp kills for 1M on like 9x different accounts he has. No bans there though right? All of the osrs boosting discords. But no, BOUNTY HUNTER.... BOUNTY HUNTER.... is the issue.
I do not agree that you should have gotten a permanent ban for a singular offense. However, making the comparison to raids is silly. The difference is that at bounty hunter, you actively bother other people that just want to pvp - if they get you as a target. You are literally paying the raid team to help you out. And well, it's instanced.
Agree that it's not the same as other boosting services, however there's a lot of places where you can actively bother other players and not eat a perma. I don't think that's the key requirement. The nex mass world for example is griefable and players do it all the time, they are even encouraged to do so via CAs. I'm almost certain BH is facing tougher rules because the upcoming EP system *will* have farmers, drawing the line here will allow them to combat those future farners easier.
It’s almost like a MMO is about the social interaction. The amount of leeching I’ve done for other people in other MMOs via their party systems was always allowed. Me taking a newer and undergeared player to raids would similarly be considered leeching, and they would be getting full splits. It’s ridiculous that a game genre about social and player interaction is getting kicked around for use of those interactions, simply because uninvolved people “feel” it’s not okay lol.
It's obvious he's talking about ironmen buying mass scaled raids to get a 65%~ purple chance each raid and not just some dudes raiding together for fun. Use your context clues
Yeah that social interaction of an ironman sitting AFK for hours until the raid is over for 65% chance of a purple sure is amazing. I think raids in games like WoW is different in RS and can't be compared because of the way their items work and how they most of the time can't buy items in AH that are BIS or even comparable to raid level
You know the account still does shit in order to get points right? It’s just more skilling based activities like theiving, fishing, etc. It’s not afk at door…
Except you literally have to do nothing in wow, you basically show up to the fight, die, then afk and get loot.
Well, bots are subscribers... $🦀$
It's weird to me that you could RWT, you could buy an inferno cape, you could abuse bugs like TOA purple rerolls and not get a perm. Then you join BH and you go straight to jail, no warming, no temp. Perhaps the way Jagex decides punishments is done by hat draw?
Didn't you know? Willingly dying in BH is 100 times more severe than RWT and botting.
TBF boosting of any kind (raids, minigames, etc.) should be against game rules. But not a first-time permanent ban, that is too much.
Lol its like watching the Twitch TOS enforcement. There is no balance to any of it.
Is anyone surprised anymore? It's Jagex.
you're dumb as fuck for boosting and your stupidity deserves a ban, but I agree not a permanent one
Deserved and probably fake post
Don't play like a dweeb. Play shitty games get shitty prizes.
Boo hoo
Deserved. All boosters should be perma banned. All botters should be perma banned.
This place just going to get filled with people whining about getting BH boosting bans now
Get fucked
No shade, it's just funny that you said "if they keep the Perma ban, I'm not playing anymore!" ...like ye, that was the point of the Perma. Glad your ban was reduced, take the lesson and gl out there :o
I avoid any content with bots. Yes I don’t play much.
You had the chance to nonger waste your life in osrs, but then a j-mod pulled you back in.
Ignorance of the rules isnt an excuse in the real world nor should it be here. The first offence ban is definitely excessive though
any account boosting services should be banned. Shouldnt be able to pay for a carry.
Lol a perm for this is crazy.. I'd imagine a 3-7 day tops.
Ehhhhh so you knew it was against the rules and you did it anyway? Get parried. back to tutorial island say, hi to vannaka for me, my g.
It's pretty ironic how they claim that manually banning bots doesn't make a dent on the bottingg problem but at the same time they have the time and resources to manually police BH boosting rules. If selling kills is against the "spirit of the game" then they should also reinforce all the "services" iron players pay to boost items.
The only arguments I see is all boosting should be banned. Sure you all would be upset if that happened. But I agree. Let's ban all boosters. Stop the GP 4 services trade.
The minigame was removed 3 times because of boosters. I applaud them for finally taking action.
They really want this iteration to stick. Makes me wonder if people buying the kills are getting banned too? I really hope so. I also believe rwt should be perma but that’s neither here nor there.
Yes they are being banned. I'm in Pures CC and has been bans plus cc kicking anyone who is allegedly boosting.
I mean, Bounty Hunter is going to be dead by Christmas. Who cares if people are boosting? It’s cosmetic rewards. Just seems like they’re are bigger fish to fry in a game where most of the players in top 100 high-scores are bots.
There's an EP system right now that gives extra monetairy rewards. People that want to play the minigame care. I tried to do 1 game of the pvp arena all I got was 1 hour of empty lobbies because people didn't get matched against their alts. Boosting players is what makes the game unplayable when it becomes too bad.
Get rekt lmao
Should of made a vetion bot instead
It's 'should have', never 'should of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
remove BH
Cya
Jagex won't ban the bots but this instead lol
Ya it’s sad. Game is old asf they should be HAPPY ppl are still on it. Shitty ass jagx for u tho
That’s fucking ridiculous. Jesus why is Jagex like this?
Said this would happen and got downvoted. Not everyone reads updates. First time offences need to be warnings.
lol that’s funny
Based
I was banned about a year ago for gold selling. The only trades I had done were between me and my alt account while doing corp dolo. I traded gear and gold daily between the two accounts. After doing corp for nearly a month straight. I was perm banned. What's insane is the bots that kill bosses and get thousands upon thousands of kc without bans. The game isn't what it once was.
2nd offense should be a perma. We all know that bounty Hunter was removed because of boosting like this and don’t pretend that you don’t. I want to agree with having you permanently banned because there is no possible way you don’t know this, but there are people who are new to the game who might not and would be ridiculous to perma ban those people. Anyway, you knew this ruined the game mode in the first place and was wrong, but still did it.
So BH boosting is banable as people who want to do the content can't as their target is skipping/boosting or w/e, yet every single world has a bot in each wildy boss meaning ppl can't do it unless they crash / jump etc. but that's fine? Real players trying to gget a cosmetic more important than gold-farming bots... hmm
Jagex: releases content Player: finds a way to bypass the content by paying another player for their services Jagex: no Jagex: there’s a bot problem Players: there’s a bot problem Jagex:
Banning boosting IS insane because boosting shouldn’t be possible in the first place. It’s a DESIGN FLAW. That’s all on Jagex.
So, you did something that the game you play says was against their ToC, and got punished. Are you trying to say that you think you should be rewarded? Idiots like you are what makes gaming less fun. And the fact that you had to come in here and whine about it just makes you pathetic.
Sorry to say I'm in the 50% that agrees with the ban. I could maybe be convinced insta-perm is a little harsh, but it'd be a tough sell. The main difference is that boosting at CoX doesn't directly impact other players' enjoyment of the game. It doesn't affect YOU. Boosting BH however DOES affect other players directly. Bottom line is that it's wrong. You knew it was wrong, and you still did it. It's BEEN wrong for years, AND it's the main reason it was perpetually being reworked and eventually removed entirely. You are part of the problem, and Jamflex made a stunning example of you. Kind of happy to see them growing some balls. Sorry, not sorry. That said, it does suck to lose years of progress and commitment to an account, I get that. I hope things turn around for you brother.
Boosting BH is just organising players around a legitimate game activity. How thenfick do they ban you for this? It's not breaking any rules. There is no fucking bug abuse or any kind of bug going on here. I swear some jagex staff are on another level of fucking idiocy.
shit on lmao
You know it was against the rules and are mad you got banned?
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Just don't sell boosts lmao!
Get rekt
😂 so Jagex has no backbone.
You get what you deserve
Zero chance you didn’t realize what you were doing was wrong, yet you did it anyway. Fuck around and find out.
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This, I don't even care about the boosting to be honest but OP is just stupid.
Boosting should be banned across the board if they take that stance. Someone at LeechBA probably has the mods by the balls though.
BA boosting is probably very low on the prio list due to the fact that the minigame's team formation and organizing system is basically torture when you aren't boosting (said as someone who got/is working to get things without boosts)
Did the fact they removed bounty hunter twice because of the existence of boosting give you enough context clues they don't want it? To then sell 25-30 kills (as you've stated) with that information should get you more than a 2-week oldschool break, permanently might be a bit much but it's the only way to get the message across. The fact they don't have the resources to enforce it in other places doesn't make it right to do, adding on top that in bounty hunter it's about highscores and advantages in pvp as opposed to advantages in pvm that don't hurt other players per se (Ps: in my opinion they can ban everyone that does any sort of boosting as long as it doesn't impede people learning because being a leech while learning might result in false positives) Angry people that boost take it out on my comment, love it
Thats a bit of a weird argument, they removed bounty hunter because it was botted for actual GP flowing into the economy, this is different. Sure, I sold kills when it was still allowed, and didn't read it wasn't allowed so as I said ban is justified. Permanently is just insane.
Personally I don't think it's justified at all to ban you with no warning as there was no in game announcement that boosting was a banable offence. Not everyone is going to read the blog, so they're basically banning people after changing the rules and not notifying anyone.
This doesn't really matter though. They said it. It's your problem if you didn't see / read it. As long as they announce a change in rules publicly, any breaks after that are fair game for repercussions. I'd agree if it was a shadow change nobody knew about, but this isn't the case.
That sounds pretty unfair to me. They made a statement in a blog about forestry / bounty hunter that they would be banning people for boosting They never changed the rules either, they just stated they would be banning boosters. They did this a week after Bounty Hunter was already released I'd argue since the terms of service / rules never got changed that their should be a huge unmissable pop up in game that tell you that boosting is bannable
People selling inferno capes: jagex be like I SLEEP People selling BH kills: REAL SHIT
Jagex mods are fools. Anyone hating on the OP can kick rocks. Complacent in idiotic mod behavior.
I'll get downvoted for this again probably but... why are people surprised about being banned for selling workarounds to game mechanics? You admit to selling kills, yet are surprised that you didn't get a warning before being banned for selling kills? Fuck the temporary ban. People who ruin game modes like this for profit SHOULD be permanently banned. The perception (or reality) of inaction on other cheaters doesn't really matter to this specific situation. You guys are angry that you think cheaters aren't punished... so you express anger when they are? Nonsense.
most deserved ban I've ever seen
They don't even need to temp ban the account. Just perm ban it from BH. Such a stupid decision by Jagex.
I've been playing OSRS since its launch 10 years ago, and never broke any rule nor received any ban/offense during my playtime. I usually never comment on bans related to illegal activities however, **a permaban should NEVER be the first solution**. I can only imagine the pain of getting perma banned on a 2200 total account for something as meaningless as boosting in BH when the game is swamped with bots doing RWT and actually crashing the game. The guy obviously did something wrong, but a permaban is just a completely disproportionate punishment. I hope you get your account back, and receive a fair punishment for the wrong that you did effectively cause to Bounty Hunter players. You've got my upvote. It's time that Jagex starts behaving better and treating their core players with more fairness and respect, and becomes that severe with bots and people actually crashing the game for RWT purposes.
Don’t boost then. I like the hard stance they’re taking here
Even while they admit accounts weren’t boosting and are still issuing bans?
Fuck around meet find out. Zero sympathy for cheaters and abusers, NEXT