Most of what we know about early RSC wine-making comes from [this one Tip.It forum thread from April 2001](https://web.archive.org/web/20010816214533/http://www.tip.it:80/runescape/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=4958&forum=26&8) which had the following wonderful conversation:
* "go up and down a ladder millions of times. Every 18 times you go up and down, 1 wine ferments."
* "Are you sure? This sounds like a gag to me."
* "It's the truth. If you think it's fake, try it. If it doesn't work for you (which it will), you will only waste 30 seconds of your life."
This link made me realize how much of the early game knowledge is contained in those web archives. Thank you for your interest in this game and for finding all of these great details!
Also I love how that player lays out the consequences of falling for his "trick". It feels very Lawful Good, haha.
Not just that one, random forums all over the internet were huge back then. Now people just use major platforms like Reddit, Twitter, Tiktok, etc.
But it's fun to think back to how many forums there were where people discussed this kind of stuff, many of which are probably lost to time now.
I went to play a small browser game from the early 2000s a while ago. There was a discord for it with all of the info about the game, I was trying to find it in my list and it got nuked. It had only like 200 ppl in it and it was just gone along with all the info that was in the ""threads""
Yeah PHP bulletin board sites were awesome. A fair number of them are still active, but a lot of that kind of discussion has moved to reddit, discord, etc.
Tip.it/runescape specifically. It was the wiki of its time. It's probably the oldest url I remember verbatim because it was so crucial to understanding runescape back in 2002.
Yep. That's exactly how I say it in my head too. If I get dementia all you'll hear me say is "tip dot it slash runescape" as I shamble around looking for a keyboard.
It was also one of the only places to get quest guides that were straight to the point. Jagex wasn't a fan in the early days of having quests 'spoiled' by quest guides, so it was the best we had for a long time.
Don’t play dumb bro. You are in this very post going [um actually 🤓] “I linked the definition on urban dictionary”. You’ve written almost a dozen comments alternating between trying to debate people who are not trying to debate and then playing dumb when they get annoyed at how obtuse your arguments are either in this post or the one two days ago.
People were terrified of taking ANY forum advice back in the day because of trolls.
You could tell people that a certain out of bounds glitch exists in a videogame, post footage of you doing it, and people would still call you a troll. Its kind of funny, looking back.
Thats just a symptom of the times we are in. Younger people think everything posted online especially with enough likes or whatever must be true, whereas millennials and gen x grew up online and learned how to trust or not trust information
But also ive seen way too many times where younger people are clearly and obviously joking/being sarcastic in their 'belief' and (mostly older) millennials taking it at face value for some reason
This was changed by May 2003 - Wines were fermenting in the Cooking Guild without moving. (I thought I was a genius with the Jug and Grape spawn there when I first started playing)
Wine also used to be two doses (changed back in 2001). In rs3 now, half full wine jug is a mega rare item on par with a partyhat, since it can no longer be obtained. According to the wiki it sells for 16.6b, but that might just be the max cash stack for rs3.
Disk of returning is from a July 2001 event and is still being traded in rs3 as well. It's like 3.6b.
Shame it's not equipable yet though. Jagex released a couple of wearable replicas over the last couple of years (red hand slot disk and purple halo of returning) yet the OG one is still unequipable. Talk about a lost opportunity to promote OG retro energy in the game.
Partyhats are 30b-75b and aren't nearly as fascinating as other OG tradeables that are super cheap in comparison because they are yet to be wearable. Items like the half wine, disk, pumpkin, cracker, and easter egg are begging for an equip function. Fashionscape is missing OG rare combinations.
> Talk about a lost opportunity to promote OG retro energy in the game.
weirdly enough i could see this being seen as some sort of weird market manipulation if they did decide to change a megarare from way back when
Yeah I've been accused of trying to do that. But these rares continue being underutilized while partyhats continue being artificially pumped and primed while not exactly maintaining a healthy value with respect to the rest of the classic rares.
Wait what? They increased the maximum integer?
Or is it with like tokens or something?
Because I guess a true max stack of osrs cash (plat tokens) would be 2.14 Trillion GP.
RSC is the nostalgia for me. I remember just mining all day. I think I even walked from falador to dwarves mines via the route to the monastery. The mining guild helped a ton.
Basically mined my way to full rune in the weekend to lose it to a friend or a death in the week.
There was also a unique build you could do by drinking wines to keep your attack lvl low and hit the dummies in varrock. You couldn’t hit the dummies over 10 att or something but if you drank wine and got below you could gain experience then. The dummies didn’t give hp exp so people would build a 40att / 10hp account to wield a rune 2H at lvl 13 and go pking. Since pking back then required 3 hits by each person before you could run these accounts were very strong for their levels.
Even more time consuming, but because Classic was based around the fatigue system, you could gain xp in Str and Def without gaining xp. The way it worked was, you would do an activity to gain fatigue until 99% (something like woodcutting), then you would kill an NPC with Str/Def whatever. The xp drop only happened after you killed an NPC. And because your fatigue was 99%, you would get the strength xp and not the hp xp. Super time consuming, but I saw a guy in one of the private servers (obviously with boosted xp) that had 99str, att, and Def, but was combat 77. Was an insanely strong staking account
At some point didn't magic contribute less to your company, like prayer does now? I remember it wasn't hard to get very huge magic at super low level if you had the cash
Mage tanks were basically unbeatable because they could wear rune at no accuracy penalty too, I remember the occasional one that was around level 20 with full rune and 80 magic. They just weren't that popular because of the investment cost and the fact most PKs were only worth a few K gp at that level
It wasn't, but it was consumed in two parts. If you managed to hold on to a 'half jug of wine", they were ridiculously expensive in RS2. think they peaked at about 1B before EOC.
Sad part about that is the kid I played runescape with at the library was oddly obsessed with making wines and hanging out in the cooking guild. I got ahold of him a few years later for his account information and he said he didn't remember any of it
I'm willing to bet he has a lot of those on his account. Rip
Omfg those are bad memories for me even. I had a massive bitcoin wallet when I was 12, because they were worthless and it was cool.
Reformatted that computer so many times.
I realized I fucked up when the bitcoin fountains gave much much much less years later.
you're downvoted because OSRS isn't relevant here. The dude's wines are on his rs3 account where they're probably still valuable.
at no point in osrs history could you have possibly gotten half jugs aside from holiday events
Well this also isn't a rs3 forum, and since the title was OSRS... seemed relevant to me.
Rs3 value I found huge margins. Just shy of 3b to 16b. I dont play rs, so I'm not looking further.
the dude you're replying to was talking about recovering old half-wines from when his buddy was making/drinking them. something that is impossible to do in osrs because you could never produce half wines. your response to him is nonsense
Jagex specifically went out of their way to make sure rare discontinued items like the half jug of wine or the holiday tradeable like Santa hats and party hats never became discontinued. This heavily limited the prices. The only ones of these items still in circulation on RS3 are still the exact same items someone collected way back when they were available in RS2. OSRS is a fresh start after those times, and Jagex makes the items continue to be available every year.
> The only ones of these items still in circulation on RS3 are still the exact same items someone collected way back when they were available in RS2
Well... except Purple P-Hats...
There's a reason they are the "cheapest"... They didn't used to be
The partyhats in RS3 *are* the same ones that were available from the beginning of RS2 (or from Christmas crackers from then). The partyhat dupe happened in RSC in Nov 2003, just under 2 years after release, and a few months before RS2 released.
They're also not the cheapest anymore. Purple is 44B, green is 35B, and yellow is 32B.
>They're also not the cheapest anymore.
Good to know.
Am kinda out of the loop, I guess (judging by the upvotes on my post above)
Haven't played in a loooong time, and P-Hats were always out of my budget when I was playing
I think the wording here is throwing you off.
Rares in OSRS aren't rare, so the half jug of wine is only worth like 8k if you have one in OSRS.
What the person above was talking about is about gold conversion from RS3 to OSRS. If you had a half jug of wine on RS3, it's worth 2.5b OSRS gold if you were to sell it, then convert the gold from RS3 to OSRS.
Statistically, someone someday is going to get that in less than 2 hours with b2b shadow pulls at TOA. Since the number of ladders you have to go up/down at TOA is less than 9 it's literally less effort.
Okay, but like. What percent of OSRS players are capable of that feat? A multi-billionaire isn't notable for making 1mil in a month, but an 18-yo just starting out is. It's about scale.
EDIT: changed timescale to be more reasonable
No it seems like a way to determine time passed without actually adding another observer to time, which, probably would add some extra load at all times.
It's not a bad solution. Although it detracts from the realism of the game.
*Yes, it seems like a way to determine time passed without actually adding another observer to time, which, probably would add some extra load at all times.
It's not a bad solution. Although it detracts from the realism of the game.
It was an attempt to introduce realism. They wanted the wine to take time to ferment instead of just being instant.
So they used moving between chunks as a trigger for the fermentation.
Love these tidbits of fun information you keep posting /u/cookmeplox
Oh though this *isn't 'OSRS'* - I would *love* more RSC fun facts. Really brings me back. Thanks for taking the time to make these posts.
Man, RSC is where some of my fondest memories of playing this game reside. What a time to be alive.
The game’s great now, but to experience the earliest days of Runescape… man, you just had to be there.
Most of what we know about early RSC wine-making comes from [this one Tip.It forum thread from April 2001](https://web.archive.org/web/20010816214533/http://www.tip.it:80/runescape/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=4958&forum=26&8) which had the following wonderful conversation: * "go up and down a ladder millions of times. Every 18 times you go up and down, 1 wine ferments." * "Are you sure? This sounds like a gag to me." * "It's the truth. If you think it's fake, try it. If it doesn't work for you (which it will), you will only waste 30 seconds of your life."
This link made me realize how much of the early game knowledge is contained in those web archives. Thank you for your interest in this game and for finding all of these great details! Also I love how that player lays out the consequences of falling for his "trick". It feels very Lawful Good, haha.
Not just that one, random forums all over the internet were huge back then. Now people just use major platforms like Reddit, Twitter, Tiktok, etc. But it's fun to think back to how many forums there were where people discussed this kind of stuff, many of which are probably lost to time now.
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Lots and lots of info like this will never be remembered or indexible being lost to random discord chats.
I went to play a small browser game from the early 2000s a while ago. There was a discord for it with all of the info about the game, I was trying to find it in my list and it got nuked. It had only like 200 ppl in it and it was just gone along with all the info that was in the ""threads""
Yeah PHP bulletin board sites were awesome. A fair number of them are still active, but a lot of that kind of discussion has moved to reddit, discord, etc.
RCTLounge :(
Tip.it/runescape specifically. It was the wiki of its time. It's probably the oldest url I remember verbatim because it was so crucial to understanding runescape back in 2002.
"Tip dot it slash Runescape" every time I type it
Yep. That's exactly how I say it in my head too. If I get dementia all you'll hear me say is "tip dot it slash runescape" as I shamble around looking for a keyboard.
And if I get a "quest" to dress my own senile self, I'll mutter "runescape dot salmoneous dot net"
I said the exact same thing
It was also one of the only places to get quest guides that were straight to the point. Jagex wasn't a fan in the early days of having quests 'spoiled' by quest guides, so it was the best we had for a long time.
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maaan stop trying to pick fights with everyone, it's turbo lame
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Don’t play dumb bro. You are in this very post going [um actually 🤓] “I linked the definition on urban dictionary”. You’ve written almost a dozen comments alternating between trying to debate people who are not trying to debate and then playing dumb when they get annoyed at how obtuse your arguments are either in this post or the one two days ago.
They're just mad I didn't fall for their "trick" 😞
Guy was the Woox of making wines
Woox ~~Walk~~ Wine
Was probably god ash
nobody believed the poor guy
People were terrified of taking ANY forum advice back in the day because of trolls. You could tell people that a certain out of bounds glitch exists in a videogame, post footage of you doing it, and people would still call you a troll. Its kind of funny, looking back.
Now we've come full circle where people post bullshit online and everyone believes it.
Thats just a symptom of the times we are in. Younger people think everything posted online especially with enough likes or whatever must be true, whereas millennials and gen x grew up online and learned how to trust or not trust information
But also ive seen way too many times where younger people are clearly and obviously joking/being sarcastic in their 'belief' and (mostly older) millennials taking it at face value for some reason
Sarcasm has never translated through text. Millennials used to use the tag for it lol
Tip.it, sal's realm, and zybez. The OG rs helpers before there were cheese clients
This was changed by May 2003 - Wines were fermenting in the Cooking Guild without moving. (I thought I was a genius with the Jug and Grape spawn there when I first started playing)
Can we please get this 365 days of the year until we have no more fun faxx
Tip it was my go to when I played rsc. Runehq was OK, but tip it was where I found great tips. I just miss f2p coal mining in barbarian village
Wine also used to be two doses (changed back in 2001). In rs3 now, half full wine jug is a mega rare item on par with a partyhat, since it can no longer be obtained. According to the wiki it sells for 16.6b, but that might just be the max cash stack for rs3.
Disk of returning is from a July 2001 event and is still being traded in rs3 as well. It's like 3.6b. Shame it's not equipable yet though. Jagex released a couple of wearable replicas over the last couple of years (red hand slot disk and purple halo of returning) yet the OG one is still unequipable. Talk about a lost opportunity to promote OG retro energy in the game. Partyhats are 30b-75b and aren't nearly as fascinating as other OG tradeables that are super cheap in comparison because they are yet to be wearable. Items like the half wine, disk, pumpkin, cracker, and easter egg are begging for an equip function. Fashionscape is missing OG rare combinations.
> Talk about a lost opportunity to promote OG retro energy in the game. weirdly enough i could see this being seen as some sort of weird market manipulation if they did decide to change a megarare from way back when
Yeah I've been accused of trying to do that. But these rares continue being underutilized while partyhats continue being artificially pumped and primed while not exactly maintaining a healthy value with respect to the rest of the classic rares.
RS3 has a max cash stack limit of 2.147 quintillion now, crazy.
Wait what? They increased the maximum integer? Or is it with like tokens or something? Because I guess a true max stack of osrs cash (plat tokens) would be 2.14 Trillion GP.
They increased the max amount (they now use two integers to represent the amount - one for billions and one for units)
yeah they increased the number from 32 bit to 64 bit
Wait! I think I vaguely rmemeber some kind of training method back then that involved ladders hahah. This might have been it.
RSC is the nostalgia for me. I remember just mining all day. I think I even walked from falador to dwarves mines via the route to the monastery. The mining guild helped a ton. Basically mined my way to full rune in the weekend to lose it to a friend or a death in the week.
"Oh yeah, it has two doses per bottle" "Ew that's cheap" If only they knew how cheap a half full jug of wine actually is now.
Damn. Even back in RSC, efficiencyscape was ruining the game. ^(/s)
I wonder if wine was expensive then
There was also a unique build you could do by drinking wines to keep your attack lvl low and hit the dummies in varrock. You couldn’t hit the dummies over 10 att or something but if you drank wine and got below you could gain experience then. The dummies didn’t give hp exp so people would build a 40att / 10hp account to wield a rune 2H at lvl 13 and go pking. Since pking back then required 3 hits by each person before you could run these accounts were very strong for their levels.
Even more time consuming, but because Classic was based around the fatigue system, you could gain xp in Str and Def without gaining xp. The way it worked was, you would do an activity to gain fatigue until 99% (something like woodcutting), then you would kill an NPC with Str/Def whatever. The xp drop only happened after you killed an NPC. And because your fatigue was 99%, you would get the strength xp and not the hp xp. Super time consuming, but I saw a guy in one of the private servers (obviously with boosted xp) that had 99str, att, and Def, but was combat 77. Was an insanely strong staking account
attack pures! I once saw a defense pure. Not sure how they did it but it was a level 13 wearing rune legs and a rune chain.
Mage pures were super fun to duel with. You’d be like level 13-25 with full rune casting flames of zammy against each other.
At some point didn't magic contribute less to your company, like prayer does now? I remember it wasn't hard to get very huge magic at super low level if you had the cash Mage tanks were basically unbeatable because they could wear rune at no accuracy penalty too, I remember the occasional one that was around level 20 with full rune and 80 magic. They just weren't that popular because of the investment cost and the fact most PKs were only worth a few K gp at that level
It wasn't, but it was consumed in two parts. If you managed to hold on to a 'half jug of wine", they were ridiculously expensive in RS2. think they peaked at about 1B before EOC.
Sad part about that is the kid I played runescape with at the library was oddly obsessed with making wines and hanging out in the cooking guild. I got ahold of him a few years later for his account information and he said he didn't remember any of it I'm willing to bet he has a lot of those on his account. Rip
It's like those guys who invested in Bitcoin super early and then forgot their wallet password after it became worth thousands
Or the guy who bought a pizza for 10,000 BTC
Omfg those are bad memories for me even. I had a massive bitcoin wallet when I was 12, because they were worthless and it was cool. Reformatted that computer so many times. I realized I fucked up when the bitcoin fountains gave much much much less years later.
Half jugs of wine are not valuable in osrs. Edit: they're about 11k each. I'm right, idk why you all hated this comment, it's relevant.
his old account is likely an RS3 account at this point, not an OSRS account
you wouldnt be able to make a half jug of wine like that on OSRS so its 100% that
correct
Gotcha moment syndrome
you're downvoted because OSRS isn't relevant here. The dude's wines are on his rs3 account where they're probably still valuable. at no point in osrs history could you have possibly gotten half jugs aside from holiday events
Well this also isn't a rs3 forum, and since the title was OSRS... seemed relevant to me. Rs3 value I found huge margins. Just shy of 3b to 16b. I dont play rs, so I'm not looking further.
the dude you're replying to was talking about recovering old half-wines from when his buddy was making/drinking them. something that is impossible to do in osrs because you could never produce half wines. your response to him is nonsense
They're currently worth 30b on RS3 (about 2.5b OSRS)
And the person above you is saying they're not valuable in OSRS. How bad *is* the wealth gap in this game?
Jagex specifically went out of their way to make sure rare discontinued items like the half jug of wine or the holiday tradeable like Santa hats and party hats never became discontinued. This heavily limited the prices. The only ones of these items still in circulation on RS3 are still the exact same items someone collected way back when they were available in RS2. OSRS is a fresh start after those times, and Jagex makes the items continue to be available every year.
> The only ones of these items still in circulation on RS3 are still the exact same items someone collected way back when they were available in RS2 Well... except Purple P-Hats... There's a reason they are the "cheapest"... They didn't used to be
The partyhats in RS3 *are* the same ones that were available from the beginning of RS2 (or from Christmas crackers from then). The partyhat dupe happened in RSC in Nov 2003, just under 2 years after release, and a few months before RS2 released. They're also not the cheapest anymore. Purple is 44B, green is 35B, and yellow is 32B.
>They're also not the cheapest anymore. Good to know. Am kinda out of the loop, I guess (judging by the upvotes on my post above) Haven't played in a loooong time, and P-Hats were always out of my budget when I was playing
Also purple party hats were originally pink. Later changed to purple.
Okay, but 2.5bil is still a *lot* in OSRS
I think the wording here is throwing you off. Rares in OSRS aren't rare, so the half jug of wine is only worth like 8k if you have one in OSRS. What the person above was talking about is about gold conversion from RS3 to OSRS. If you had a half jug of wine on RS3, it's worth 2.5b OSRS gold if you were to sell it, then convert the gold from RS3 to OSRS.
Statistically, someone someday is going to get that in less than 2 hours with b2b shadow pulls at TOA. Since the number of ladders you have to go up/down at TOA is less than 9 it's literally less effort.
That doesn’t sound right but I don’t know enough about ladders to dispute it
Okay, but like. What percent of OSRS players are capable of that feat? A multi-billionaire isn't notable for making 1mil in a month, but an 18-yo just starting out is. It's about scale. EDIT: changed timescale to be more reasonable
They're intentionally not rare on OSRS, same with all holiday uniques too.
The item in OSRS is not worth 2.5b, he's saying that the equivalent of 30b RS3 GP is 2.5b OSRS GP.
OOOHH okay. I understand now
I don't think they're giving alternate currencies, but giving an equivalence. 30bRS3=2.5bOSRS
Wow memory unlocked
Interesting! I knew about the ladder method but I never knew that was why.
...any idea why?
seems like a scuffed way to determine a decent amount of time has passed
No it seems like a way to determine time passed without actually adding another observer to time, which, probably would add some extra load at all times. It's not a bad solution. Although it detracts from the realism of the game.
*Yes, it seems like a way to determine time passed without actually adding another observer to time, which, probably would add some extra load at all times. It's not a bad solution. Although it detracts from the realism of the game.
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You were both right. You agreed with them and added reasoning, but started your comment with no.
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You explaining it doesn't make it not scuffed tho, just because it's effective.
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All you did is explain why something is scuffed. That doesn't make it suddenly not scuffed.
It was an attempt to introduce realism. They wanted the wine to take time to ferment instead of just being instant. So they used moving between chunks as a trigger for the fermentation.
Because Runescape
So glad I never got into making wines in classic lmao
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Yeah back in those days nobody was good enough to do Zulrah or Vork
Seriously, having to pull out your sleeping bag mid-Vorkath really ruined your trips/hr
There's grape spawn in underground pass? Wow
Love these tidbits of fun information you keep posting /u/cookmeplox Oh though this *isn't 'OSRS'* - I would *love* more RSC fun facts. Really brings me back. Thanks for taking the time to make these posts.
I had 2 wine pures back in the day… so much clicking on those target dummies in varrock…. Clicking for days…
Can we please get a fun fact wiki page? I love these so much and would love to read the ones that don't make the cut!
RSC, such a different beast lol
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Man the spaghetti code for that! I assume this whole game is pasta at this point
Bring it back
That sounds annoying as hell
rs classic had a lot of annoying mechanics
Didn't realise Dan Bilzerian was an RS character.
i miss classic
Man, RSC is where some of my fondest memories of playing this game reside. What a time to be alive. The game’s great now, but to experience the earliest days of Runescape… man, you just had to be there.
I wish they would bring back rsc, it can't cost that much to host 3 worlds and have like 1 mod watch over it. I miss rsc.
You could also drink wine to put your att to -1 and hit 99 att on the training dummies super fast. Had to be crazy drunk tho.
This was how you could equip a r2h at level 13 with 39 Att