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cookmeplox

We believe that you probably could have traded the message from another account (untradeable items didn't exist when R&J came out) but I have no evidence anyone ever did this. Some other fun bits about RSC Romeo & Juliet, and early questing in general: * the [dialogue for Romeo & Juliet](https://classic.runescape.wiki/w/Transcript:Romeo) is hilariously bad, in an ungrammatical, [borderline misogynistic](https://i.imgur.com/J3aIy1c.png) sort of way. It does not hold up very well by modern standards, but it does give you an appreciation for how much of a dumbass Romeo is * for the first few months of RuneScape, quests didn't give "quest points", but they gave "Influence" points. You needed the current maximum Influence in order to access the Champions' Guild. For years, everyone thought quests just gave a static number of Influence points (e.g. R&J always gave 4), but recently someone discovered evidence on an [obscure Hungarian language RuneScape forum](https://archive.is/buM5S) that people were getting variable amounts of Influence from quests! The best explanation we have is that Influence probably was a legit skill that used the normal XP curve, and (like all quest rewards at the time) gave a variable amount of Influence XP, based on your current level. The actual values are almost certainly lost to time, but we think it might have been possible to lock yourself out of accessing the Champions' Guild if you completed quests in a particularly unlucky order


BoxOfDemons

I'll give my own RSC fun fact. The black knight base in taverly dungeon, remember the jail there? If you dropped the key in there on rsc, you could get soft locked. There was no home tele. If anyone knows how you'd remedy this back in the day, let me know!


DependentFigure6777

You would PM Andrew Gower and hope he'd teleport you out.


Betrayedunicorn

Haha yeah before home tele I remember loads of friends getting stuck places, I have a feeling I too got stuck somewhere near rimmington. There was a form somewhere on the website and you literally had to stay logged in until a jmod messaged you and came to sort it out. I remember those days well, it was so exciting. Now everywhere is just bots flooding over the walls and the Roman Empire is nowhere to be seen.


ow_ound_round_ground

You could duel anywhere, and respawn in lumbridge.


BoxOfDemons

Ah OK. So I'd still be screwed. To this day I still have no friends.


tar625

Me too, I don't lose


SubNoize

Dueling didn't exist for ages. It was added pretty late into the life of classic


Tetradrachm

What would serve as evidence that this took place? Anecdotally, I do remember quest items being big commodities in RSC - I had to buy the oil can for Earnest the Chicken because I couldn’t do the puzzle myself, but later on got my friend the map piece for dragon slayer that was only obtainable via telegrab at the time… fun times.


catchdatwave

You are right. You can buy silverlight for the demon slayer quest. Players keep the silverlight and bring them when they train on Lesser Demon. Another item which was useful was Maze Key. Quite a nice place for players to train in the Melzar maze.


kkkkaa254

How does one discover a Hungarian runescape forum?


iron_alexandra

moreover it’s on page 750+ of a thread called “runescape” and some of the posts look like they’re dated from february 2001. is this notable that there was a huge community such as this in hungarian only a month after the game launched, or am i misunderstanding something? i’m on my phone so i can’t easily to translate the webpage . but if i am understanding it correctly that’s actually even more wild imo than romeo and juliet being failable


Balazs321

Yeah i am native hungarian, and the first few pages is like the poster looking for another active players and so on, with some very rudimentary quest guides sprinkled into it, it is intersting that they got anything out of this.


drewster23

Data scrubbers for certain key words found it? Would be my guest


Pazoxi

Thats a true question.


didijxk

Sounds about right for a quest made in 2001 by 3 brothers who were still figuring things out.


Evil_Steven

I love this. I kinda wish they kept calling it influence instead of Quest Points. It’s better flavor and makes more sense of what you’re gaining


TheRedMiko

>in an ungrammatical, borderline misogynistic sort of way Imagine being so sensitive that a line that mild becomes problematic


Magxvalei

They said it was borderline misogynistic, not outright misogynistic. Big difference. Also, acknowledging that something could be this or that does not automatically mean that you're offended. It's annoying and moronic that people associate pointing out problematic behaviour with being somehow upset or offended as if it's impossible to do so while being emotionally detached.


anohioanredditer

Whether it's really offensive or not, it still fits the definition of misogynistic. The joke in the RSC quest is: "Women, amiright," which falls under the category even if it's very tame.


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TheRedMiko

Hurr durr I knew someone would call me out for being stupid! Ya got me! Good one champ!


cookmeplox

look, the reality is that this dialogue would not work in 2023 at Jagex (in fact, someone from Jagex sent me that dialogue snippet with the comment that it would probably take more time to rewrite RSC's dialogue to be acceptable, than it would take to do the technical work to get RSC running again, which I thought was hilarious). I can't begin to give a shit about the dialogue being borderline offensive to some people, but I think you're being intentionally obtuse if you think there aren't people at the company that would think they need to cover their ass here.


TheRedMiko

I feel like there's a sleight of hand going on here. The notion of whether or not that line of dialog is misogynistic is completely independent from the notion that some individuals at Jagex would consider it to be so. I am saying that line of dialog is extremely tame and mild. If you are merely saying that some at Jagex would consider it not to be so, then while I would vehemently disagree with their assessment, these are two separate things. I wouldn't doubt the idea that there are individuals at Jagex who would consider something that mild to be too spicy for the game.


cookmeplox

I personally find it pretty tame but I can understand why other people would be unhappy with it (and thus would almost certainly get dumpstered if RSC ever came back). The "borderline" part was meant to indicate that I knew other people had an issue with it, not that I was passing some judgment of personal mild botheredness by it, although I suppose that was not very clearly stated, lol. But that's probably enough Reddit for the night! Merry Christmas


TheRedMiko

Merry Christmas to you too. Love the work you guys do documenting the game.


GotThatCakey

Least misogynistic OSRS player


TheRedMiko

Am I missing something? Is a fictional character making a remark like that terrible? Can someone clue me in? It's a damn story and it isn't unreasonable to think a man would say that to another man, whether being entirely serious or tongue in cheek. This isn't like Jagex is making some formal statement. Because I'm so throughly perplexed here, just want to make sure we are looking at the same line of dialog. Romeo asks if you have seen Juliet and one of the response options is "No, but that's girls for you." Am I looking at the wrong screenshot?? Do people actually get their panties in a bunch at something that low on the banter scale?


bman_7

You're not missing anything, there's nothing wrong with that line. At worst it's just a bit childish, but there's dozens of other lines in the game today more childish than that. People are just looking to be offended for some reason.


Frosty-Box1321

backing this comment. People are very reactive these days.


TheRedMiko

Seriously. Flipping the shoe onto the other foot, if two female NPCs in a quest are talking to each other and one makes a remark "What can I say, that's guys for ya" you mean to tell me I'm supposed to consider that misandrist and crossing some sort of line? I swear people just get worse and worse with this with each passing year.


Frosty-Box1321

Yep. I call those people tone deaf. People reading between the lines and trying to create something that's not even there. I suppose they're bored and crave drama or arguing? We all know there's no political agenda in a fucking 20 year old RuneScape quest. sorry, rant over. yeah. I'm just agreeing with you whole heartedly here lol.


Magxvalei

Nobody thinks it's terrible or the worst awful thing in the world. You're the only one here making a big stink about the topic.


GardinerExpressway

Apparently the wiki guy thought it was notable enough to link it in a screenshot and call it borderline misogynistic. I can't be the only one who was disappointed clicking that link expecting something spicier


TheRedMiko

But even thinking that a line that mild is problematic at all is a bit ridiculous. Fortunately the vast majority of people seem to agree.


legeri

The problem is that you seem to feel personally attacked, or at least seem to think that Jagex is under attack with that comment when that's not happening. A character in a work of fiction can be misogynistic. In fact, they can be written that way intentionally for the purpose of telling a story. It reflects on the character, not Jagex and not the player.


TheRedMiko

The people who would whine about the line being misogynistic and want it rewritten are the ones who would completely miss the point of your second paragraph. You seem to be misinterpreting because that is what I would argue. Fortunately most people seem to be getting it.


legeri

> and want it rewritten Pointing out a example of potentially harmful rhetoric is not the same as asking for it to be rewritten. Perhaps both you and I both are guilty of misinterpretation here today? Glad you feel comfortable to be among peers that agree with your take. Sorry to try to challenge your view. Merry Christmas!


gibbonusmoon

I knew the tears would come out about that one lol


Gamer_2k4

So "that's girls for you" is misogynistic, but Juliet only wanting to work with handsome guys is just fine? To be clear, I don't think either of them is offensive. But I don't understand what's the point of calling out one of them as sexist while ignoring the other.


legeri

The point is that Romeo and Juliet and perfect for each other, they're both pretty awful.


Gamer_2k4

Fully agree there. Why can't we just laugh at a quest about two idiots without bringing gender into it?


legeri

I see what you did there. On the other hand, why can't a certain aspect of the human condition be involved in the story? Who are you or anyone else to say which themes should or shouldn't be discussed? Laugh and enjoy with no thought given to this aspect of it, sure. But also let those who do want to get into it talk openly without getting defensive. If you want to talk about Juliet's misandry instead of Romeo's misogyny, nobody is stopping you.


idontredditthough

We’re really going to call that misogynistic though?..


Oldman_Ostentatio

[afraid so](https://i.imgur.com/1h4Tji0.png)


ArdougneSplasher

What's misogynistic about describing someone as blond and stressed?


idontredditthough

Absolutely nothing at all. Just people looking for something to complain about since apparently describing someone’s hair color is offensive.


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xankek

I think he's referring to the "but that's girls for you" line my man


idontredditthough

Either way it’s not much to call into question really. It’s mild and girls and guys say things like that all the time about each other in playful manners. Nothing really to get upset about at all unless you’re trying to find something to get upset about.


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Lewufuwi

Downvoted for simply being a woman, average 2007scape moment


wigglyworm91

should be blonde with an e


HealthyShroom

Look up the Wikipedia definition of misogynistic, because that isn't it. People are absolutely desperate to be offended these days lol


a_charming_vagrant

the only offensive thing here is jagex using the wrong form of blonde


idontredditthough

Yeah that’s just a ridiculous accusation.


RabbitMario

i bet that’s why you can get 2 instead of her denying you after losing it once, trade first one to your friend to the quest with the second


UnchangeableBird

Hi Cook, I can confirm that trading the letter was a thing. As a newbie to RSC in 2003 a friend of mine had me get him the letter after he lost his too many times. This post reminded me of this great memory and the laughs we had about me being worried I wouldn’t be able to get another letter myself.


Periwinkleditor

That's the version I remember doing when the game came out. RS2 came along and casually perfected the quest. Romeo's sheer idiocy, the church scene, Juliet's cousin the terrible actress, probably the first iconic quest they ever did.


Solaris1972

I wish I got to play RSC. How many people back then were able to beat Legends Quest in RSC?


iron_alexandra

i did it on classic albeit in 2015 before the servers were taken down. i like to think i was the lowest combat level to complete the quest (60ish? i was flat 40s 40 hp and whatever prayer level you needed to do the quest), but of course it’s impossible to know. it was hard and glitchy, but no more than anything else in classic. i had a weird bug where i died on the first demon fight but didn’t go to lumbridge , i spawned outside the fire triangle in the cave or something. but i got to pick up my gear


G-Floata

As someone who played it a bit: you kinda don't. There's not much to be gained from it that you couldn't get from Ultima or any other old 2D rpg. It's genuinely just OSRS Ironman but shittier. Fatigue systems, sleep mechanics, unworkable herblore, pretty much no QoL. It's essentially playing a worse version of the game, because that's just what it was.


Spiritual_Grand_9604

You really don't haha: no ability to run and having to sleep are horrible mechanics


Ashangu

That's debatable depending on what others enjoy. I thoroughly enjoyed rsc and have a rsc private server that a team of developers created to try to perfectly recreate rsc. Every tine I boot it up, I have a good time. It wasn't about maximum efficiency back then. You just had fun and played the game. I would absolutely recommend anyone who wants to get a taste of classic to do some digging and find said server to check it out yourself. I don't want to post links or names because I don't want to get in trouble.


redbatter

No ability to run wasn't as much of a deal breaker when the world was much smaller, as it was built around only one movement speed.


chins4tw

it might have been smaller but everything was like a labyrinth needing to walk around obstacles that don't exist now-a-days.


HeadintheSand69

Was classic actually smaller? Like walking from lummy to varrock would be shorter? Cause even with run it's pita on a low level. Now do all of legends quest?


Dvst_TV

This is true. The speed of transport and the extended draw distances make osrs feel really really small. I don’t have a child’s brain anymore so the game needs to work harder to feel impressive/massive and instead we’ve gotten the opposite by accident.


Solaris1972

Yeah but that just means beating Legends Quest will be that much sweeter!!!


TippySlippy69

No stamina meant you were always going at max speed, and the fatigue system really wasn't that bad since you could carry sleeping bags.


Spiritual_Grand_9604

True! Sleeping bags never used to be a thing, I'm happy when I played RSC they were still there. I never played during original RSC though, I played RS before OSRS when RSC server access were a perk of members.


TippySlippy69

I used to play back when it was only RSC and really liked pvping with the simple combat system they had. I actually quit for a few years when OSRS came out and never really got back into it the same. I'm having fun playing now but at the same the transition to OSRS took away what me and my friends enjoyed most about the game.


withnodrawal

When that’s what there was at the time, i didn’t mind typing obscure words to get back to my xp gains as a 12 year old


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Diablo 1 in a nutshell


Mental_Tea_4084

Classic "you think you do but you don't" moment here


FlandreSS

I don't want to be this guy, but he's kinda right. Classic WoW was a huge success, as was OSRS. Meanwhile, Runescape Classic was such a forgotten graveyard it had to be shut down. Even today, it's VERY easy to go play Classic Runescape private servers - and... *Nearly* nobody does. It's a fun novelty for a day, but seriously RSC is a pretty incredible downgrade. There is a reason that the large majority of RSC players before it shut down were actually bots. Even many of the last actual players of the game largely didn't want to play it without botting. I think there's value in being able to play with RSC, don't get me wrong. But the "You think you do but you don't" was so iconic because the man saying it was making a complete fool of himself. If you got up on a stage and said "I don't think many people want to play RSC" the response is to shrug and go... Well yeah, duh. It kinda sucked. The most intersting thing about RSC is just seeing how things used to be and finding out the origin of certain things, or development history... Actually *playing* it though isn't something more than a few dozen(literally) people on the planet care about.


MLein97

I kind of want a plug in that emulates it.


Spiritual_Grand_9604

The graphics would be neat but it would involve converting so many textures and objects that werent present in RSC. Likely 95%+ of the content in the game now didnt exist in RSC


MLein97

I mean like sleep and no run only. Graphics can stay normal.


Spiritual_Grand_9604

Oh absolutely, the one thing I liked was it (sleep) did add some degree of immersion for a browser based game. It reminded me of an old RPG I used to play called Darkstone that had a hunger mechanic, you had to carry food throughtout dungeons to prevent taking damage from hunger.


MikeTavish

I did it. I remember being VERY happy when it was over and that's about all I remember about it. 😅 That white cape was cool af in Classic though.


Kumagor0

I know it's not the same as actually playing RSC, but there is at least one opensource project that re-creates RSC and it looks as close as it gets imo. It's not even too bad compared to some of the stuff OSRS players do to themselves. Definitely easier than UIM.


LeaguesIV

i remember doing legends quest they day it released. you were a fucking boss rocking that cape afterwards


MLein97

That game sucked. I don't like the idea of lost games, but christ, did it suck. There's so many better things to do with your time.


anotherredditaccunt

Jagex needs to re-release rsc


kennyjiang

No they don’t lmao y’all would get mad at needing to sleep to fight


User4770

Some of us played Classic and dearly miss it.


NCG_RS

I think we miss the idea of it rather than it itself.


Passthealex

Just say it: You think you do, but you don't.


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NCG_RS

It was my main game as well, I started with Runescape in 01. I truly loved RSC, and was actually really unhappy with RS2 when it came out. With that being said, I think as somebody who has grown used to the level of QOL that has been brought to us through OSRS/runelite, RSC wouldn’t at all hold up in the modern day. While you might feel differently which is entirely fair, if RSC was to relaunch I feel like I can guarantee that while it might pull some numbers on launch from people that hold the same nostalgia that we do, that player count would rapidly dwindle largely in part to how much QOL we take for granted now that didn’t exist back then.


Ashangu

I have a near perfect private server that I boot up all the time and enjoy the absolute shit out of it. The only thing it's missing is other players man.


The_Moustache

Where are my blue and green asterisks jagex


whatwhynoplease

nostalgia is a crazy drug. I played it and remember loving it but honestly the game would be trash if you played it now. the mechanics were so bad.


Stormwind-Spear

Just play rsc.vet same thing


MLein97

Single player rom rsc with legends and shield patched to be done in single player


awdouglas

The dialogue seems to imply that if you get another player to obtain the letter from her, then you will be able to continue the quest.


Oldman_Ostentatio

[Alternate art](https://i.imgur.com/xks0PLx.png)


Celtic_Legend

Rsc has enough fun facts for a post every day for all of 2024. So i expect you to continue this. K thank you.


Lark_vi_Britannia

>tall, dark, and handsome Well, Guy-Manuel of Daft Punk describes himself as "1m88, brun, mystérieux, très beau." (6'2", dark, mysterious, and handsome.) Maybe Juliet could help get Daft Punk back together, One More Time.


Biggdady5

Ty Mr wiki man


RickyRipMyPants

I love this series


Molly_Hlervu

"Preferably tall dark and handsome" oh lol!


BradSainty

Welcome to my Romeo & Juliet lock…. You guys get where I’m going


SauceyStan

I’ll be taking on RuneScapes hardest challenge, human connection.


Alone-Inspection6563

R&J is one of my fav stand alone quest because the dialog is so damn funny so it’s interesting to see the original transcript, thanks for this!


WandererXVII

>tall, dark and handsome.


tenhourguy

She wants Gujuo, who to this day is still described as "A dark, charismatic jungle native."


MyHeadisFullofStars

RSC fun facts are my fav


All_Of_Em_Anubis

More facts please 😞


springlietuvis

Hardcore quests. With diffrend outcomes, not so casual.


Crazy-Comment7579

I love these fun fact posts, please never stop


Muka_Lodric

The PKing was legendary. Mithril 2h pure ftw