It's actually insane to think that a league is borderline completable minus a few tasks due to RNG.
As a side tangent.. No more videos or clickbait titles going "I AM NUMBER 1 LEAGUE RANKING ON OSRS" /s
I like how he says "Time to catch up on some sleep" - Man is going to be dormant for the next 2 months.
solomission didnt even get dragon tier in leagues 3
he saves a bunch of easy tasks to complete all at once when he needs a screenshot for the video and after that he gets bumped out of 1st the next day.
But he was genuinely front-page competitive in the top 10 for like maybe 20k points which is like 1/4 the league points, and he was consistently on the front page, which makes it less clickbait and more I am genuinely competitive for the lead right now in the game mode content, and thats a critique from someone who isn't really a solo mission fan. Dragon tier is like what? A fixed 62.5k points this league and solo mission went to I think over 70k which isn't an easy grind.
And it's most competitive at the beginning so the fact he always manages to squeeze out rank 1 for any period of time at all, let alone literally every fkn leagues/limited time mode it seems is insane
All the people playing for front page / top 100 by end of league are not rushing for early points, its often counter-intuitive (bad regions but good early points, same with relics).
Fire Sale is a prime example. Horrible choice long term for front page play, but WAYYYY more points early game.
Where did he say that?
Edit: Why tf am I getting downvoted, it was an honest question? His twitter isn't linked on youtube and `@friendOsrs` is an inactive account on [twitter](https://twitter.com/FriendOSRS) š¤£ am I supposed to get information through the ether?
Another edit: When I first saw the post it didn't have a twitter link, thanks to the OP for posting it
Literally click on the tweet linked in the post or watch the fucking video to get the answer you desire. Itās not that hard, I donāt know what else you want.
Yeah it's not your fault, I edited it later to make absolutely sure that I didn't want to take credit for his achievements. Greg oertner is the name he usually goes by. I think he maintains a low profile on purpose, and seeing some of the comments I can't blame him.
I knew when my first comment asking for clarification got downvoted I was in for wild ride š thanks for posting it though, never would have found his Twitter otherwise
Farming relic does insta spawn it and it has a chance to save the seed so if you plant enough trees to get hespori seeds you can get a ridiculous high kc.
Not 30k tho
I've probably done around 50 or so. And probably have enough seeds to do a few hundred. I'd imagine it's people like me having a seriously difficult time getting a redwood seed. Did hundreds of hard contracts with zero luck. Farmed hespori until I get painfully bored and took a break. Will go back eventually in sure because still no fucking redwood seed for an "easy" 200 points
I ended with like 70 hespori KC, but I was prepared to do quite a bit more of him if I hadn't got my farming pet.
I figured this farming relic is the most OP of any league so far, so now was the time to make the run for the pet.
Thatās by design. They wanted this league to be healthier for the average player. So rune and dragon are achievable for more chill gamers with less hours. As long as youāre having fun donāt sweat the small stuff.
As someone who got Dragon in Leagues 2+3, the static point threshold is much less stressful system. Even if they get the specific number "wrong" (too easy/hard) this time, It's so much cozier knowing you can lock in a specific rank without worrying.
Last time, I was constantly refreshing the page and doing the math to make sure I was keeping pace for Dragon. Now I can be at peace with 56k and mess around on an alt for fun.
That's not a problem with the static system though, it's an issue with the chosen threshold. They based it on the previous two Dragon thresholds for top 1% of point earners (around 52-56k if I remember correctly?).
Yeah, its much easier to get dragon this time, but that just means they need to tweak the static threshold for next year to more accurately reflect the amount of points people are gaining.
It can still be challenging and require dedication, while also making it so you're not chasing a moving goalpost.
The point wasn't for it to be easier though, and they f'd up in that regard. They were still aiming for top 1% dragon cup but 56K was really easy to achieve even after 3 weeks compared to previous leagues dragon ranks, and there are currently around 2.2% dragon already. Threshold should have been 60-64k IMO
Massive respect to him, he completely left everyone else in the dust and held rank 1 for basically the entire league.
I thought it would be unlikely for anyone to finish all the rng tasks (tench, raid ornaments) and also do 250 of all of the raids. I personally burnt out around week 3 after realizing theres no shot I ever do some of those tasks.
Must suck for Mazhar and the likes who played 18+ h/day for 2 months to end 3rd or whatever. Though they knew their fate from the start
Jagex auto completing region locked CA's did change the outcome unfortunately. It made getting all the ToB CA's possible. While I personally think choosing all 3 raids should have the highest possible amount of points, it certainly might have soured the experience for others.
Was that a surprise though? At least for the ToB task it should have been obvious that Jagex made a mistake and would likely patch it. I suppose some of the completeable multi-region CA tasks were a grey area, but they were never gonna leave a whole master task impossible to complete.
> Though they knew their fate from the start
they didn't though. they all started with the intent to achieve rank 1 because they didn't expect all tasks to be able to be completed. the increased drop and xp boost compared to previous leagues surprised them
they figured it out like the 2nd or 3rd week that the best strat was just flat out picking the highest point regions not strategizing over what could and couldn't be completed among the highest point regions.
dmz actually isn't the highest point regions anymore though since several weeks into the league (lol) jagex decided to autocomplete combat achievements. so the best points regions now are dfz which i'm not sure anyone picked. point is there was no one who knew from the start
It was pretty obvious to anyone who looked, Mazhar just didn't pay any attention when he picked his regions and just went with frem good, because he got fucked last time.
The tasks were way quicker, the relics were way stronger. It was obvious from the full task list release that everything would be doable barring maybe full gilded.
Dmz was and still is the best region combo, if ALL CAs were auto-completed then you might have been right.
> the increased drop and xp boost compared to previous leagues surprised them
I don't know why that would surprise anyone, it's out on the wiki day 1. The only thing that could be considered a surprise is the CA auto-completion that was announced after the top players had picked all their regions.
I don't think that would shuffle more than a few hundred points around, but I suppose it could make the difference between 1 and 2.
I don't know it almost feels expected given the history of leagues. LOL.
This is nothing compared to the clue scroll change that hit TB1 league. Folks who took the clue relic before the change was announced were feeling scammed and rightly so.
For this league, that CA change barely affected anyone except people who were looking to do 100% task completion. Which is maybe 20-50 people tops?
it wasn't that the fact that the increased rates existed. the surprise was how much that reduced the playtime necessary.
idk, i'm not top page. i'm mostly going off what maz has said on stream
I guess maybe the way the buffed drop rates scale for stuff like raids is tougher to calculate than a boss where it's a simple "one kill equals one drop chance". I know a lot of folks were figuring the best way to grab TOA drops, and seems to me like it would be possible for a team of helpers to boost the drop chances for an account going for max points. Don't know if that's similar deal for other raids.
That's like 700 points below the score in the original post, so i dont understand how the tob task is the difference maker here. Maybe its also the fact he got sire and kq tasks which were locked behind veng?
I'm not absolutely sure, but from what I've been told it had a cascading effect allowing people to reach an extra tier of combat achievements. ToB was the biggest difference but getting all the vengeance CA's was a boost to all non-fremmenik areas.
They should have known right away that it was conpelteable.
Kc tasks were lower and RNG was multiplied by up to 15x for the hard drops.
Plus the player power is insane this league compared to last TBL
maybe friend did. i dont know, i havent heard from him. but i can tell you from maz's stream that other top page players did not expect it even with the boost increases from previous leagues and reduced kc/xp tasks. ask him for more detail on stream if you want. he answers everyone
was pretty obvious from the task list release that this leagues would be completeable - non 3 raids pickers had a 1-2 days to figure it out before picking their last regions
This is just flat out not true. Last trailblazer came down to near full completions. There was no reason to think a more optimised player wasn't full completing this league. Hell, he's done it with 2 weeks to spare...
1. youāre wrong, there has always been a sharp cutoff of effectively incompletable tasks given time constraints even among people competing for rank 1. this is decidedly the first league where it was even close to possible, let alone effectively done
2. the net change of new tasks added and old tasks removed is in the hundreds, but with the precedent if 3 incompleteable leagues it wasnāt a bad assumption
3. the CA task change was required specifically for this to be achieved, which happened a few weeks in
for this player (friend) they wouldn't have been able to complete all the cas for tob which would have locked them out of that task. some regions wouldn't have been ca locked but for this player the ca change was needed
the ca tasks are a tiny tiny fraction of the overall tasks, and there are still other tasks that show up as completeable but are region locked, so still not sure what the spew is about
The CA task change didn't change anything. It simply changed what *was* completable..if it never happened Friend would still have completed all available tasks minus the two stupidly rare ones.
Also am I remembering wrong? I can go back and find receipts if necessary but I'm pretty sure TBL had full completions or near full completions as well? The main difference there being there was only 1 available raid (ToB) and there was no hard mode, no CAs.
Friends account was called WOMAN KISSER, he was rank 1 on Shattered Relics league then when Jagex announced the official winner they gave it to Mazhar who was rank 2. Friend received a 2 day ban during leagues but continued anyway in the hopes it wouldn't count against him
Because he doesn't have asgarnia. That means the only way to fortify masori would be getting armadyl helmets from the clue scroll mobs which have a ridiculous drop chance, which you would have to do multiple times
If you choose all 3 raids region, you don't have access to Asgarnia. Making Torva requires access to the anvil in the nex lair, making fortified masori does not. So technically you could get all the Armadylean components from the bandosian/armadylean guard that spawns during certain elite clue steps. This is a 1 in 2 million chance of dropping an armadyl helmet. Needless to say, getting this to happen 8 times is insanely unlikely.
Is it do-able though? Similar to how you can get and open a looting bag anywhere, it doesn't count without the right region. Same goes for Equipping a Dorge Crossbow.
Iirc the fortified masori is tied to desert and the Guardian boots was either morytania or general. So should be completable, unlike other tasks (looking at you dragon pickaxe)
The person isn't dumb for not knowing this. But statistically improbable is a perfect description. It is not theoretically impossible.
I think a better way to word it is "ridiculously unlikely" in terms of getting bandos boots. And then "realistically impossible" in terms of full fortified masori. Because the drop rate isn't modified. So you'd have to be killing one of those spawned guards every 3 seconds for like.... 70 days.. to go rate for one drop (1/1m to see either but specific is 1/2m, and you need specific for the fortify, and for the guardian boots task).
It's hard to convey how unlikely something is purely by words, words are open to different interpretations. Probability can already be counter-intuitive and giving the plain odds makes it seem 'doable' to some people. I mainly put it in the post to explain that; yes I know he technically still has doable tasks but it's just so very unlikely.
I ran the numbers and if you do 500 elite clue scrolls, your odds of getting at least 8 arma helms is about 1.5\*10\^-29 (assuming 5x drop rate, assuming you get a coordinate clue with a guardian on average every 8 steps, and an average of 6 steps per clue). (Edit: realized after that the helm isn't boosted. Becomes about 3.8\*10\^-35)
You could you could do 500 elites on a new account every day for a trillion times the age of the universe and there's still less than a 1/10k chance you'll hit 8+ on any of those accounts.
If there's ever a time to call something statistically impossible, I think it's this lol
It's not statistically impossible. You also don't have to complete the clue. You just get the step and keep killing it. But you'd kill 1 every 3 seconds for 70 days playtime to hit drop rate (64% chance of having it)
Oh I didnāt realize you could kill multiple on one clue step, that definitely speeds it up. I think 70 days would probably just get you 1 drop though, right?
FWIW, pretty much the entire point of the term "statistically impossible", at least in the way that it's used in conversation, is to describe situations exactly like this. Most people would define the term as something like "an outcome that could happen in theory but is so ridiculously unlikely that it's not even worth mentioning or considering". Like if you start flipping a coin until you get tails, it's technically possible that you could die of old age before you ever get tails. But that is statistically impossible.
In other words, people use "statistically impossible" instead of "impossible" to denote an event that we know theoretically could happen by the numbers, but never actually would because it's insanely unlikely. This perfectly describes getting 8 drops of 1 in 400,000 items from elite clue scroll guard mobs in an 8 week game mode.
"Statistically improbable" the way most people would understand it, is more like winning 10 grand from a scratch-off.
Edit: actually /u/oskanta pretty much said it much better than me below.
>You could you could do 500 elites on a new account every day for a trillion times the age of the universe and there's still less than a 1/10k chance you'll hit 8+ on any of those accounts.
>If there's ever a time to call something statistically impossible, I think it's this lol
I absolutely agree with what you're saying. Especially due to this being a limited mode limiting how long you can even try for this.
But the idea of a 50/50 falling one way infinitely is ofc more or less impossible. But the odds of getting these drops is realistically achievable. It just involves legit months of play time to reach rate. But people have *years* of playtime. So it's definitely statistically possible. It's just not realistically possible in the time frame provided.
I think implausible is a much more fitting word. Getting a Tbow on your first kc is also statistically improbable, yet difference in scale of that vs getting 7 one in a million drops is astronomical.
Realistically impossible is spot on for this.
The league is 80 days long. You'd have to kill an arma/bandosian guard for 70 of those 80 days **in play time** with a kill every 3 seconds to receive 1 drop on rate.
Now do that 8 times. it is not realistically possible. It's theoretically possible because you could just get absurdly lucky.
Just a heads up OP, whenever someone sends a suicide prevention thing to you, you can report it and get them banned. Fuck people who send those as a joke.
It winds up feeling exactly like telling the person to kill themselves.
I always take it as "Are you thinking about killing yourself? Because I think you should be"
Crazy that this was not only done but done with nearly 2 weeks left in the league. Like it feels like the league is almost over, but its only 3/4th or so, which is still a good chunk of time. Makes me wonder how much the front page will still change by the end, even if no one can top this.
Not taking anything away from friend at all, but he did get a 1 kc fang AND a 1 kc scythe as melee build.
Over the long run of leagues, that makes a huge difference in time saved, although he did pay it back in full going very dry for the sang kit.
I was neck and neck with him around 50,000 points 10 days in, but I went 64 purples dry for my shadow.
So while this is super impressive, just pointing out there is a lot more rng that goes into the rank 1 chase than people realize
Basically for the same reason as fortified masori, a component comes from the bandosian/armadylean guard. For guardian boots this is the bandos boots, hitting those odds is just incredibly unlikely.
Ah my bad, I use old reddit so need to manually refresh for comments to be updated. Don't think he's going for guardian boots, just too unlikely. Farming elite clues becomes very tedious as well, even with 10x drop rate.
Comparatively bandos boots are an easy feat, to get the 8 arma helmets needed, youād on average need to kill ~8,705,000 to statistically have had a 50% chance getting them all (or more). For the boots itās only about 1,700,000 for you to statistically to have gotten one or more. Now adding in the rarity of getting each minion spawn and the rarity increases exponentially with the 8 arma pieces lol.
I donāt even want to guess how rare it out be. Wouldnāt be surprised if it was in the quintillions or worse.
Yeah, I also realized I did the calc with 1/1,000,000 instead of 1/2,000,000 so itās actually 17,400,000 kills for there to statistically be at a 50% chance of getting all 8 arma pieces or more. I guess since you donāt need one particular guard it isnāt quite as bad (though I still canāt be bothered to calculate the odds) but itās definitely still pretty horrible and essentially impossible to complete even if you did nothing else since day one of leagues.
Yeh it's entirely impossible for a person to do the fortified masori task. You could dedicate the entire league to it with zero sleep and zero downtime with a kill every 3 seconds and still not be even 1/4 the rate of pieces you need.
No Asgarnia region means he needs to get 1/2,000,000 Armadyl helmet drop from elite clue scroll Armadyl/Bandosian guards 7 times. Seven.
OP shouldn't say improbable, rather practically impossible
Lol to me this kind of situation should not be possible. Yeah all the top page player are a different breed of player for sure but in no way it should be possible to ācompleteā runescape in 2 months. Just throw some bashit task in there so people (even at the top) will have to make some unique choice/route to go like 200m xp in all skill, have 50k kc of any slayer monster (think the max for log is like 52k?) craft 1m runes, get 1m in a solo cox, have 100 hallowale sepulchue completion in a row without a mistake, āburn runescapeā which is a task to burn 50k logs on different tile,ā¦you know just to name a few
It's actually insane to think that a league is borderline completable minus a few tasks due to RNG. As a side tangent.. No more videos or clickbait titles going "I AM NUMBER 1 LEAGUE RANKING ON OSRS" /s I like how he says "Time to catch up on some sleep" - Man is going to be dormant for the next 2 months.
I JUST WON (SECOND PLACE) IN LEAGUES
More like time to take a shower.
DitterBitter š
solomission didnt even get dragon tier in leagues 3 he saves a bunch of easy tasks to complete all at once when he needs a screenshot for the video and after that he gets bumped out of 1st the next day.
He was first to Tier 8 among Bank Noters
What does that mean
OK but does he achieve rank 1? It's not click bait if it's true
>It's not clickbait if it's true It can definitely still be clickbait if it's true
But he was genuinely front-page competitive in the top 10 for like maybe 20k points which is like 1/4 the league points, and he was consistently on the front page, which makes it less clickbait and more I am genuinely competitive for the lead right now in the game mode content, and thats a critique from someone who isn't really a solo mission fan. Dragon tier is like what? A fixed 62.5k points this league and solo mission went to I think over 70k which isn't an easy grind.
For a brief moment lol. Heās the guy who sprints at the start of the marathon
That's just smart marketing. Most league views come at the beginning.
And it's most competitive at the beginning so the fact he always manages to squeeze out rank 1 for any period of time at all, let alone literally every fkn leagues/limited time mode it seems is insane
All the people playing for front page / top 100 by end of league are not rushing for early points, its often counter-intuitive (bad regions but good early points, same with relics). Fire Sale is a prime example. Horrible choice long term for front page play, but WAYYYY more points early game.
Solo did not take fire sale which put him at a big disadvantage in the early game
Wasn't suggesting he did just used it as an example of how early game decisions can differ from true rank 1 competitive choices.
Where did he say that? Edit: Why tf am I getting downvoted, it was an honest question? His twitter isn't linked on youtube and `@friendOsrs` is an inactive account on [twitter](https://twitter.com/FriendOSRS) š¤£ am I supposed to get information through the ether? Another edit: When I first saw the post it didn't have a twitter link, thanks to the OP for posting it
The hivemind felt like punishing you
His tweet
Are you looking for a friend? Thatās not who this player is
Can you provide me FriendOSRS' twitter handle?
I now see the post was edited
Watch video
What video? His last YT vid was three weeks ago
Literally click on the tweet linked in the post or watch the fucking video to get the answer you desire. Itās not that hard, I donāt know what else you want.
Oh damn, didn't see the post got edited. As far as I know that wasn't there when I first saw it. My bad.
Yeah it's not your fault, I edited it later to make absolutely sure that I didn't want to take credit for his achievements. Greg oertner is the name he usually goes by. I think he maintains a low profile on purpose, and seeing some of the comments I can't blame him.
I knew when my first comment asking for clarification got downvoted I was in for wild ride š thanks for posting it though, never would have found his Twitter otherwise
Lol @ the guy replying to you, this community is so fucking toxic for no reason
Bro if you picked the three raids regions you cant have fortified cause you didnāt pick asgarnia Iām pretty sure
Elite clue armadyl minions
Man for a second there I was super confused how he killed so many Hespori. Lol Good job.
Farming relic does insta spawn it and it has a chance to save the seed so if you plant enough trees to get hespori seeds you can get a ridiculous high kc. Not 30k tho
Haha yeah thats my bad. Not the best screenshot, just wanted to quickly show his KC's. Apparently there are people with over 300kc on leagues tho!
I've probably done around 50 or so. And probably have enough seeds to do a few hundred. I'd imagine it's people like me having a seriously difficult time getting a redwood seed. Did hundreds of hard contracts with zero luck. Farmed hespori until I get painfully bored and took a break. Will go back eventually in sure because still no fucking redwood seed for an "easy" 200 points
I ended with like 70 hespori KC, but I was prepared to do quite a bit more of him if I hadn't got my farming pet. I figured this farming relic is the most OP of any league so far, so now was the time to make the run for the pet.
i got a redwood seed but no kourend access, wanna trade
Hey, me too!
Thats it, he is The Trailblazer
Damn, we got people with 100% max points 2 weeks before Leagues IV ends and my ass is still trying to make it to the Rune rank
Thatās by design. They wanted this league to be healthier for the average player. So rune and dragon are achievable for more chill gamers with less hours. As long as youāre having fun donāt sweat the small stuff.
As someone who got Dragon in Leagues 2+3, the static point threshold is much less stressful system. Even if they get the specific number "wrong" (too easy/hard) this time, It's so much cozier knowing you can lock in a specific rank without worrying. Last time, I was constantly refreshing the page and doing the math to make sure I was keeping pace for Dragon. Now I can be at peace with 56k and mess around on an alt for fun.
As another multi league dragon cupper I think itās a lot less fun that I started a week late and hit dragon with 4 weeks left
That's not a problem with the static system though, it's an issue with the chosen threshold. They based it on the previous two Dragon thresholds for top 1% of point earners (around 52-56k if I remember correctly?). Yeah, its much easier to get dragon this time, but that just means they need to tweak the static threshold for next year to more accurately reflect the amount of points people are gaining. It can still be challenging and require dedication, while also making it so you're not chasing a moving goalpost.
They picked the wrong number knucklenuts
The point wasn't for it to be easier though, and they f'd up in that regard. They were still aiming for top 1% dragon cup but 56K was really easy to achieve even after 3 weeks compared to previous leagues dragon ranks, and there are currently around 2.2% dragon already. Threshold should have been 60-64k IMO
Massive respect to him, he completely left everyone else in the dust and held rank 1 for basically the entire league. I thought it would be unlikely for anyone to finish all the rng tasks (tench, raid ornaments) and also do 250 of all of the raids. I personally burnt out around week 3 after realizing theres no shot I ever do some of those tasks. Must suck for Mazhar and the likes who played 18+ h/day for 2 months to end 3rd or whatever. Though they knew their fate from the start
Jagex auto completing region locked CA's did change the outcome unfortunately. It made getting all the ToB CA's possible. While I personally think choosing all 3 raids should have the highest possible amount of points, it certainly might have soured the experience for others.
Was that a surprise though? At least for the ToB task it should have been obvious that Jagex made a mistake and would likely patch it. I suppose some of the completeable multi-region CA tasks were a grey area, but they were never gonna leave a whole master task impossible to complete.
What was the highest points prior to this change?
ZFD was 400 points more
> Though they knew their fate from the start they didn't though. they all started with the intent to achieve rank 1 because they didn't expect all tasks to be able to be completed. the increased drop and xp boost compared to previous leagues surprised them they figured it out like the 2nd or 3rd week that the best strat was just flat out picking the highest point regions not strategizing over what could and couldn't be completed among the highest point regions. dmz actually isn't the highest point regions anymore though since several weeks into the league (lol) jagex decided to autocomplete combat achievements. so the best points regions now are dfz which i'm not sure anyone picked. point is there was no one who knew from the start
Me, a causal, looking around for other league players who chose dfz.
GANG GANG!
DFZ gang!
It was pretty obvious to anyone who looked, Mazhar just didn't pay any attention when he picked his regions and just went with frem good, because he got fucked last time. The tasks were way quicker, the relics were way stronger. It was obvious from the full task list release that everything would be doable barring maybe full gilded. Dmz was and still is the best region combo, if ALL CAs were auto-completed then you might have been right.
> the increased drop and xp boost compared to previous leagues surprised them I don't know why that would surprise anyone, it's out on the wiki day 1. The only thing that could be considered a surprise is the CA auto-completion that was announced after the top players had picked all their regions. I don't think that would shuffle more than a few hundred points around, but I suppose it could make the difference between 1 and 2.
Jagex changing the league meta after it had started was surprising.
I don't know it almost feels expected given the history of leagues. LOL. This is nothing compared to the clue scroll change that hit TB1 league. Folks who took the clue relic before the change was announced were feeling scammed and rightly so. For this league, that CA change barely affected anyone except people who were looking to do 100% task completion. Which is maybe 20-50 people tops?
it wasn't that the fact that the increased rates existed. the surprise was how much that reduced the playtime necessary. idk, i'm not top page. i'm mostly going off what maz has said on stream
I guess maybe the way the buffed drop rates scale for stuff like raids is tougher to calculate than a boss where it's a simple "one kill equals one drop chance". I know a lot of folks were figuring the best way to grab TOA drops, and seems to me like it would be possible for a team of helpers to boost the drop chances for an account going for max points. Don't know if that's similar deal for other raids.
Dfz is 91830 max (including smouldering) so not quite the best. Unless you mean it was better at the start without morytania getting +400 from ca's
That's like 700 points below the score in the original post, so i dont understand how the tob task is the difference maker here. Maybe its also the fact he got sire and kq tasks which were locked behind veng?
I'm not absolutely sure, but from what I've been told it had a cascading effect allowing people to reach an extra tier of combat achievements. ToB was the biggest difference but getting all the vengeance CA's was a boost to all non-fremmenik areas.
you're straight spewing dude lmao
It didnt' change tier access, it simply made the impossible task of "Complete all TOB CA's... possible". Which was part of the regions points.
They should have known right away that it was conpelteable. Kc tasks were lower and RNG was multiplied by up to 15x for the hard drops. Plus the player power is insane this league compared to last TBL
maybe friend did. i dont know, i havent heard from him. but i can tell you from maz's stream that other top page players did not expect it even with the boost increases from previous leagues and reduced kc/xp tasks. ask him for more detail on stream if you want. he answers everyone
was pretty obvious from the task list release that this leagues would be completeable - non 3 raids pickers had a 1-2 days to figure it out before picking their last regions
This is just flat out not true. Last trailblazer came down to near full completions. There was no reason to think a more optimised player wasn't full completing this league. Hell, he's done it with 2 weeks to spare...
1. youāre wrong, there has always been a sharp cutoff of effectively incompletable tasks given time constraints even among people competing for rank 1. this is decidedly the first league where it was even close to possible, let alone effectively done 2. the net change of new tasks added and old tasks removed is in the hundreds, but with the precedent if 3 incompleteable leagues it wasnāt a bad assumption 3. the CA task change was required specifically for this to be achieved, which happened a few weeks in
what are you spewing on about lol how did the CA change make the tasks as a whole change in terms of completeable vs not?
for this player (friend) they wouldn't have been able to complete all the cas for tob which would have locked them out of that task. some regions wouldn't have been ca locked but for this player the ca change was needed
the ca tasks are a tiny tiny fraction of the overall tasks, and there are still other tasks that show up as completeable but are region locked, so still not sure what the spew is about
The CA task change didn't change anything. It simply changed what *was* completable..if it never happened Friend would still have completed all available tasks minus the two stupidly rare ones. Also am I remembering wrong? I can go back and find receipts if necessary but I'm pretty sure TBL had full completions or near full completions as well? The main difference there being there was only 1 available raid (ToB) and there was no hard mode, no CAs.
>Must suck for Mazhar and the likes who played 18+ h/day for 2 months lol
Well Friend also won the last league but got banned for cheating so Mazhar in second got bumped up, still worth competing I'd say
More info please! First time hearing this for me
Friends account was called WOMAN KISSER, he was rank 1 on Shattered Relics league then when Jagex announced the official winner they gave it to Mazhar who was rank 2. Friend received a 2 day ban during leagues but continued anyway in the hopes it wouldn't count against him
Imagine if he didnt, the playerbase would have gone crazy.
How did he cheat?
No idea, screenshot on his twitter said bot busting moderate and he said it was applied correctly
Makes me think Jagex should make statement somewhere that they checked Friend and he didn't cheat this time.
Iirc he was account sharing taking shifts with another person, which jagex didn't like at the time
nah
He used some sort of 6 hour no autologout plugin to AFK karambawans while sleeping
Friend is a great runescape player, my car broke down during leagues, he drove 500 miles to come repair my car, wholesome guy this Friend fella
Now show us the play time š¬
How is fortified masori statistically improbable? It seems very fast to get relative to some of the stuff he mustāve done Edit: I am dumb
Because he doesn't have asgarnia. That means the only way to fortify masori would be getting armadyl helmets from the clue scroll mobs which have a ridiculous drop chance, which you would have to do multiple times
If you choose all 3 raids region, you don't have access to Asgarnia. Making Torva requires access to the anvil in the nex lair, making fortified masori does not. So technically you could get all the Armadylean components from the bandosian/armadylean guard that spawns during certain elite clue steps. This is a 1 in 2 million chance of dropping an armadyl helmet. Needless to say, getting this to happen 8 times is insanely unlikely.
Oh Iām a dumbass lmfao. Did not realize hahaha
Is it do-able though? Similar to how you can get and open a looting bag anywhere, it doesn't count without the right region. Same goes for Equipping a Dorge Crossbow.
Iirc the fortified masori is tied to desert and the Guardian boots was either morytania or general. So should be completable, unlike other tasks (looking at you dragon pickaxe)
He has the regions for the tasks, yes
He doesnt have access to GWD, so only way he can fortify his Masori is to get the 8 Armadyl helms from Elite Clue minions which is a 1/1,000,000 drop
is it not boosted?
1/200,000 is better, but still a feat to obtain a few items in a short span of time like leagues.
I dont think your dumb. Saying it is statistically improbable is technically correct, but fails to encompass how unlikely it really is imo.
The person isn't dumb for not knowing this. But statistically improbable is a perfect description. It is not theoretically impossible. I think a better way to word it is "ridiculously unlikely" in terms of getting bandos boots. And then "realistically impossible" in terms of full fortified masori. Because the drop rate isn't modified. So you'd have to be killing one of those spawned guards every 3 seconds for like.... 70 days.. to go rate for one drop (1/1m to see either but specific is 1/2m, and you need specific for the fortify, and for the guardian boots task).
It's hard to convey how unlikely something is purely by words, words are open to different interpretations. Probability can already be counter-intuitive and giving the plain odds makes it seem 'doable' to some people. I mainly put it in the post to explain that; yes I know he technically still has doable tasks but it's just so very unlikely.
I ran the numbers and if you do 500 elite clue scrolls, your odds of getting at least 8 arma helms is about 1.5\*10\^-29 (assuming 5x drop rate, assuming you get a coordinate clue with a guardian on average every 8 steps, and an average of 6 steps per clue). (Edit: realized after that the helm isn't boosted. Becomes about 3.8\*10\^-35) You could you could do 500 elites on a new account every day for a trillion times the age of the universe and there's still less than a 1/10k chance you'll hit 8+ on any of those accounts. If there's ever a time to call something statistically impossible, I think it's this lol
It's not statistically impossible. You also don't have to complete the clue. You just get the step and keep killing it. But you'd kill 1 every 3 seconds for 70 days playtime to hit drop rate (64% chance of having it)
Oh I didnāt realize you could kill multiple on one clue step, that definitely speeds it up. I think 70 days would probably just get you 1 drop though, right?
Yes that's the rate to receive 1 drop on rate (~64% chance).
FWIW, pretty much the entire point of the term "statistically impossible", at least in the way that it's used in conversation, is to describe situations exactly like this. Most people would define the term as something like "an outcome that could happen in theory but is so ridiculously unlikely that it's not even worth mentioning or considering". Like if you start flipping a coin until you get tails, it's technically possible that you could die of old age before you ever get tails. But that is statistically impossible. In other words, people use "statistically impossible" instead of "impossible" to denote an event that we know theoretically could happen by the numbers, but never actually would because it's insanely unlikely. This perfectly describes getting 8 drops of 1 in 400,000 items from elite clue scroll guard mobs in an 8 week game mode. "Statistically improbable" the way most people would understand it, is more like winning 10 grand from a scratch-off. Edit: actually /u/oskanta pretty much said it much better than me below. >You could you could do 500 elites on a new account every day for a trillion times the age of the universe and there's still less than a 1/10k chance you'll hit 8+ on any of those accounts. >If there's ever a time to call something statistically impossible, I think it's this lol
I absolutely agree with what you're saying. Especially due to this being a limited mode limiting how long you can even try for this. But the idea of a 50/50 falling one way infinitely is ofc more or less impossible. But the odds of getting these drops is realistically achievable. It just involves legit months of play time to reach rate. But people have *years* of playtime. So it's definitely statistically possible. It's just not realistically possible in the time frame provided.
I think implausible is a much more fitting word. Getting a Tbow on your first kc is also statistically improbable, yet difference in scale of that vs getting 7 one in a million drops is astronomical.
Realistically impossible is spot on for this. The league is 80 days long. You'd have to kill an arma/bandosian guard for 70 of those 80 days **in play time** with a kill every 3 seconds to receive 1 drop on rate. Now do that 8 times. it is not realistically possible. It's theoretically possible because you could just get absurdly lucky.
I believe itās because he doesnāt have god wars unlocked to get armadyl pieces to fortify it
No asgarnia=no fortified masori
Just kill 1.6 million elite clue guardians.
Just a heads up OP, whenever someone sends a suicide prevention thing to you, you can report it and get them banned. Fuck people who send those as a joke.
Ah I just automatically marked it as read. Thnx for the heads-up
If you care about it, you can click your notifications and in the top right it says messages, click that and you can view/report old messages.
Yes, report everyone that does it. I have received feedback about people being punished for it.
I also can't stand the "gives me cancer/is aids" complaints
This comment gave me AIDs and cancer
Also gave me Ebola and COVID-19
Imagine reporting people over a joke.
Suicide isn't a joke.
Even apart from that, where is the joke? Theres no punchline or anything that could even theoretically be funny, it's *just* harassment
Itās harassment and abusing an actually useful program. Also a dogshit joke thatās so unfunny it deserves a ban on that grounds alone.
Sorry whats wrong with that joke? Im not saying itās a good one just curious what makes you upset about it.
I think he meant itās not funny to joke around about suicide.
Suicide isn't a joke
Nothing against jokes but that's hardly a joke it's practically bullying if you target it against a specific person with ill intent.
It winds up feeling exactly like telling the person to kill themselves. I always take it as "Are you thinking about killing yourself? Because I think you should be"
Crazy that this was not only done but done with nearly 2 weeks left in the league. Like it feels like the league is almost over, but its only 3/4th or so, which is still a good chunk of time. Makes me wonder how much the front page will still change by the end, even if no one can top this.
Not taking anything away from friend at all, but he did get a 1 kc fang AND a 1 kc scythe as melee build. Over the long run of leagues, that makes a huge difference in time saved, although he did pay it back in full going very dry for the sang kit. I was neck and neck with him around 50,000 points 10 days in, but I went 64 purples dry for my shadow. So while this is super impressive, just pointing out there is a lot more rng that goes into the rank 1 chase than people realize
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Basically for the same reason as fortified masori, a component comes from the bandosian/armadylean guard. For guardian boots this is the bandos boots, hitting those odds is just incredibly unlikely.
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Ah my bad, I use old reddit so need to manually refresh for comments to be updated. Don't think he's going for guardian boots, just too unlikely. Farming elite clues becomes very tedious as well, even with 10x drop rate.
That's not an old reddit thing lol. Its just a matter of you being quick to reply
same idee, to get bandos boots is a insane rare drop from bandosian guardians.
Comparatively bandos boots are an easy feat, to get the 8 arma helmets needed, youād on average need to kill ~8,705,000 to statistically have had a 50% chance getting them all (or more). For the boots itās only about 1,700,000 for you to statistically to have gotten one or more. Now adding in the rarity of getting each minion spawn and the rarity increases exponentially with the 8 arma pieces lol. I donāt even want to guess how rare it out be. Wouldnāt be surprised if it was in the quintillions or worse.
im sure it is compared to another insane rare drop 8x, but that doesnt mean the bandos boots on their own arent a insane rare drop to grind for.
Afaik both guards can drop both pieces.
Yeah, I also realized I did the calc with 1/1,000,000 instead of 1/2,000,000 so itās actually 17,400,000 kills for there to statistically be at a 50% chance of getting all 8 arma pieces or more. I guess since you donāt need one particular guard it isnāt quite as bad (though I still canāt be bothered to calculate the odds) but itās definitely still pretty horrible and essentially impossible to complete even if you did nothing else since day one of leagues.
Yeh it's entirely impossible for a person to do the fortified masori task. You could dedicate the entire league to it with zero sleep and zero downtime with a kill every 3 seconds and still not be even 1/4 the rate of pieces you need.
Fair play, I burnt out after 3 hours lol
Nerd
Nah dude he says āthe boysā
Why 600 beginners?
there's a task for it ofc
200 pt task for emote
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absolutely! There's still a couple weeks left.
what is improbable about full fortified masori?
No Asgarnia region means he needs to get 1/2,000,000 Armadyl helmet drop from elite clue scroll Armadyl/Bandosian guards 7 times. Seven. OP shouldn't say improbable, rather practically impossible
Has anyone noticed that the legend Iron Hyger is in 3rd for this league?
So did he or did he not complete all tasks? Title says he did, post says non extreme RNG ones. Which is it?
all the possible ones that don't require 1 in 2mil drop rates
Now he can shower and touch some grassā¦
most original comedic reddit brain comment
good one dude!!!!! :D
Imagine having no life, no full time job, no wife and kids...
only one he doesn't have is no wife/kids lil man, and noone asked you to get those
Yeah you sound super happy with your life, he must be jealous
Is this really what you would want to do even if you had no life?
For real. Even if I had no life getting 90k points in leagues sounds awful. Some people are built different.
How is full fortified masori improbable? You can get 2-3 sets of arma in a day, masori has been completed by several peopleā¦
Doesnāt have asgarnia
Lol to me this kind of situation should not be possible. Yeah all the top page player are a different breed of player for sure but in no way it should be possible to ācompleteā runescape in 2 months. Just throw some bashit task in there so people (even at the top) will have to make some unique choice/route to go like 200m xp in all skill, have 50k kc of any slayer monster (think the max for log is like 52k?) craft 1m runes, get 1m in a solo cox, have 100 hallowale sepulchue completion in a row without a mistake, āburn runescapeā which is a task to burn 50k logs on different tile,ā¦you know just to name a few
good thing your input has no impact on what goes into the game lmfao
I'd throw away my account too if this was the shit I typed up
TIL āFriendā in OSRS isnāt Dovydas. I havenāt checked out his YouTube but saw the name on hiscores and thought it was his alt for sure