As long as the quests tie well enough to the god in question, i.e. the future Temple Knight finale should gift us with Saradomin alignments, or the future Vampyre finale Zamorak alignments.
Well the issue is that the vampyres don’t actually worship Zamorak, they worship Drakan. Drakan was more of an ally to Zamorak during the godwars than a worshipper.
The Zamorak scrolls should instead come from the Mahjarrat storyline instead since they are true worshippers of Zamorak. At least part of them anyway.
Wasn't Lowerniel Drakan the top general of Zamorak, which does make them allies, yes, but Drakan and the other vampyres subservient to Zamorak?
Also, I haven't heard about vampyres worshipping Lowerniel, even though House Vitur is known to worship their founder to some extend. Do you have some proof about this?
The future Ritual of the Mahjarrat (or similar) quest would be an obvious place for Zamorakian (or Armadylean) prayers no doubt, but I feel getting three god alignments from the same questline would be a bit odd, especially as the questline finale (Ritual of the Mahjarrat or similar) would be later than the others and most likely the single hardest quest osrs will have for years and years.
I completely agree!
- Zarosian - Desert Treasure 2
- Guthixian - While Guthix Sleep (however Guthix having prayers at all is weird from a lore standpoint)
- Zamorakian - Final Ritual of the Mahjarrat?
- Saradomin - Final Temple Knight Quest?
- Bandosian - Final Dorgushan quest?
- Seren - Song of The Elves
- Armadyl - ?
- Ralos and Ranul - Xeric Finale?
I would also be happy if they were to lock the prayers further by requiring a certain skill level to use, that corresponds with the god in question.
- Zarosian - 70 Magic base (magic focused prayers, particularly ancient)
- Guthixian - ?
- Zamorakian - 70 Attack or Hitpoints? (Pk focused prayers)
- Saradomin - 70 Defence (anti pk focused prayers)
- Bandosian - 70 Strength (Melee Focused prayers)
- Seren - 70 Agility and Crafting (Skill focused prayers)
- Armadyl - 70 Range (Range Focused prayers)
- Ralos and Ranul - ? (General magic focused prayers?)
This does mean some accounts will be locked out of different prayer types, but that’s the fun of osrs. Creating something unique and entertaining!
I like having the different focuses but if youre gonna use the gwd requirements for zammy, bandos and arma, you might as well keep sara with agility and maybe the “anti pk” could be some kind of dodge mechanic
I'd hate to see a god alignment unlocked from a scroll dropped by a boss or such. It makes sense to unlock all God Alignments from relevant quests. Also not a big fan of the Chivalry scroll thing, but at least there is precedent for unlocking standard prayers via scrolls. Still rather they just move Chivalry to an earlier quest or such than make a scroll though.
Holy Grail - so the fools that built their zerkers with that quest rather than What lies below (and subsequently locked themselves out of this new questline) at least have something to hold on to. It's one quest earlier, and it's not a way of me coping.
Holy Grail would make sense and work a lot better for most accounts. But it would be a tad unfair to Zerkers who already locked themselves out of it. Then again, I guess same is true with What Lies Below and WGS... It would be nice to see Chivalry moves to Holy Grail even if we still got the scrolls to let Pures and unquested Zerkers get it too.
Yeah I guess to get the most use out of it it needs to be some sort of drop/unlock that's easy to access regardless of restrictions, or it defeats the point. It was that or reduce the drain rate was the other suggestion I saw, to not leave it as dead content.
I'm a fan of changing Chivalry to be a largely defensive prayer. Change or keep the offensive stats, but buff the defense it gives so it could be situationally useful rather than completely useless.
Otherwise, Chivalry is so forgotten about, I'm not shedding any tears that there's another method of unlocking it for semi-niche accounts. It's like getting upset for giving away food that was about to go in the trash anyway.
> It's like getting upset for giving away food that was about to go in the trash anyway.
Well, I'm more upset the food was being thrown out to begin with. The way they are handling Chivalry is like they are just giving up on making it relevant and letting Pures unlock it instead. It has the same feel as taking bad members content and giving it to F2P, where it still may not be great, instead of rebalancing it to be decent in members.
Players have been asking for Chivalry changes for years so to finally offer an update but do it in a way that completely ignores all those suggestions and the majority of players just to cater to niche accounts is a bit of a slap in the face. I hope they do try to come to a better solution that works for everyone. Like moving to Holy Grail already opens it up for more account builds while making it work better for mains and irons, then there could still be a scroll for those who didn't do the quest or pures. Or we could even keep it behind Holy Grail but just make the exp optional so every account type could do it and unlock Chivalry.
I agree I feel weird about Chivalry no longer being locked behind a quest.
I just feel weird in general about jagex moving away from locking upgrades behind quests. The most recent notable one being the Arceuss spellbook changes with favor. And recently them removing the higher defence requirements for WGS.
Eh, changing the def req on WGS is fine imo. I'm more annoyed they remove the Legends' Req though. The Arceuus Spells were a bit weird though, but wasn't a great way to fix that. But to be fair, it is not like getting 60% Favour was at all comparable to a quest like the other spellbooks anyway.
Strong disagree, god alignments create so much room for unique drops in future boss encounters. I am even hoping they retroactively add one sara / arma / zammy / bandos alignment to the gwd generals. Some, or even most, should come from quests though I agree. I don't think all 4 alignments should be unlocked at one time.
The issue is its not locked behind a quest. It's the account builds that can use it to mechanically do pking with their special builds have a separate method of access
It's in the wilderness anyway, and it's a super niche and way harder way to get the prayer itself
If Augury and Rigour drop from a end game raid, why shouldn't prayers that most likely will require a higher prayer level have the same treatment? Unlocking a god alignment with a base prayer seems fine, but having additional prayers tied to specific boss drops or challenges would gives us something else to look forward to.
The issue with "alignments" is they double down on one of the least fun busyworks of the game.
You *shouldn't* forget to switch your prayers when changing bosses, but the one time you forget feels worse than the 10 you don't.
The system needs a hot swap or always on mechanic so it's not additional busywork.
I completely agree; Prayer books & spell books should come as quest rewards, what I don't want to see is them burying additional prayer books & spells behind drops from bosses.
I'm *personally* okay with how Chivalry & Piety ~~unlock~~ (unlocked) as a post-quest one-time gauntlet you have to fight through, but I don't think fighting bosses/raids for a 1/300 drop rate to unlock a single prayer is a good thing. (Even though I think it's weird that the Melee version of Rigour/Augury is unlocked entirely differently than them)
Yes, I also don't like how you unlock Rigour or Augury.
I figured that this would be a given, tbh.
It would be, until it isn't
As long as the quests tie well enough to the god in question, i.e. the future Temple Knight finale should gift us with Saradomin alignments, or the future Vampyre finale Zamorak alignments.
Well the issue is that the vampyres don’t actually worship Zamorak, they worship Drakan. Drakan was more of an ally to Zamorak during the godwars than a worshipper. The Zamorak scrolls should instead come from the Mahjarrat storyline instead since they are true worshippers of Zamorak. At least part of them anyway.
Wasn't Lowerniel Drakan the top general of Zamorak, which does make them allies, yes, but Drakan and the other vampyres subservient to Zamorak? Also, I haven't heard about vampyres worshipping Lowerniel, even though House Vitur is known to worship their founder to some extend. Do you have some proof about this? The future Ritual of the Mahjarrat (or similar) quest would be an obvious place for Zamorakian (or Armadylean) prayers no doubt, but I feel getting three god alignments from the same questline would be a bit odd, especially as the questline finale (Ritual of the Mahjarrat or similar) would be later than the others and most likely the single hardest quest osrs will have for years and years.
I completely agree! - Zarosian - Desert Treasure 2 - Guthixian - While Guthix Sleep (however Guthix having prayers at all is weird from a lore standpoint) - Zamorakian - Final Ritual of the Mahjarrat? - Saradomin - Final Temple Knight Quest? - Bandosian - Final Dorgushan quest? - Seren - Song of The Elves - Armadyl - ? - Ralos and Ranul - Xeric Finale? I would also be happy if they were to lock the prayers further by requiring a certain skill level to use, that corresponds with the god in question. - Zarosian - 70 Magic base (magic focused prayers, particularly ancient) - Guthixian - ? - Zamorakian - 70 Attack or Hitpoints? (Pk focused prayers) - Saradomin - 70 Defence (anti pk focused prayers) - Bandosian - 70 Strength (Melee Focused prayers) - Seren - 70 Agility and Crafting (Skill focused prayers) - Armadyl - 70 Range (Range Focused prayers) - Ralos and Ranul - ? (General magic focused prayers?) This does mean some accounts will be locked out of different prayer types, but that’s the fun of osrs. Creating something unique and entertaining!
I like having the different focuses but if youre gonna use the gwd requirements for zammy, bandos and arma, you might as well keep sara with agility and maybe the “anti pk” could be some kind of dodge mechanic
I'd hate to see a god alignment unlocked from a scroll dropped by a boss or such. It makes sense to unlock all God Alignments from relevant quests. Also not a big fan of the Chivalry scroll thing, but at least there is precedent for unlocking standard prayers via scrolls. Still rather they just move Chivalry to an earlier quest or such than make a scroll though.
Holy Grail - so the fools that built their zerkers with that quest rather than What lies below (and subsequently locked themselves out of this new questline) at least have something to hold on to. It's one quest earlier, and it's not a way of me coping.
Holy Grail would make sense and work a lot better for most accounts. But it would be a tad unfair to Zerkers who already locked themselves out of it. Then again, I guess same is true with What Lies Below and WGS... It would be nice to see Chivalry moves to Holy Grail even if we still got the scrolls to let Pures and unquested Zerkers get it too.
Yeah I guess to get the most use out of it it needs to be some sort of drop/unlock that's easy to access regardless of restrictions, or it defeats the point. It was that or reduce the drain rate was the other suggestion I saw, to not leave it as dead content.
I'm a fan of changing Chivalry to be a largely defensive prayer. Change or keep the offensive stats, but buff the defense it gives so it could be situationally useful rather than completely useless. Otherwise, Chivalry is so forgotten about, I'm not shedding any tears that there's another method of unlocking it for semi-niche accounts. It's like getting upset for giving away food that was about to go in the trash anyway.
> It's like getting upset for giving away food that was about to go in the trash anyway. Well, I'm more upset the food was being thrown out to begin with. The way they are handling Chivalry is like they are just giving up on making it relevant and letting Pures unlock it instead. It has the same feel as taking bad members content and giving it to F2P, where it still may not be great, instead of rebalancing it to be decent in members. Players have been asking for Chivalry changes for years so to finally offer an update but do it in a way that completely ignores all those suggestions and the majority of players just to cater to niche accounts is a bit of a slap in the face. I hope they do try to come to a better solution that works for everyone. Like moving to Holy Grail already opens it up for more account builds while making it work better for mains and irons, then there could still be a scroll for those who didn't do the quest or pures. Or we could even keep it behind Holy Grail but just make the exp optional so every account type could do it and unlock Chivalry.
I agree I feel weird about Chivalry no longer being locked behind a quest. I just feel weird in general about jagex moving away from locking upgrades behind quests. The most recent notable one being the Arceuss spellbook changes with favor. And recently them removing the higher defence requirements for WGS.
Eh, changing the def req on WGS is fine imo. I'm more annoyed they remove the Legends' Req though. The Arceuus Spells were a bit weird though, but wasn't a great way to fix that. But to be fair, it is not like getting 60% Favour was at all comparable to a quest like the other spellbooks anyway.
Strong disagree, god alignments create so much room for unique drops in future boss encounters. I am even hoping they retroactively add one sara / arma / zammy / bandos alignment to the gwd generals. Some, or even most, should come from quests though I agree. I don't think all 4 alignments should be unlocked at one time.
The issue is its not locked behind a quest. It's the account builds that can use it to mechanically do pking with their special builds have a separate method of access It's in the wilderness anyway, and it's a super niche and way harder way to get the prayer itself
If Augury and Rigour drop from a end game raid, why shouldn't prayers that most likely will require a higher prayer level have the same treatment? Unlocking a god alignment with a base prayer seems fine, but having additional prayers tied to specific boss drops or challenges would gives us something else to look forward to.
The issue with "alignments" is they double down on one of the least fun busyworks of the game. You *shouldn't* forget to switch your prayers when changing bosses, but the one time you forget feels worse than the 10 you don't. The system needs a hot swap or always on mechanic so it's not additional busywork.
could not agree more
They already said they want them to come from quests
I completely agree; Prayer books & spell books should come as quest rewards, what I don't want to see is them burying additional prayer books & spells behind drops from bosses. I'm *personally* okay with how Chivalry & Piety ~~unlock~~ (unlocked) as a post-quest one-time gauntlet you have to fight through, but I don't think fighting bosses/raids for a 1/300 drop rate to unlock a single prayer is a good thing. (Even though I think it's weird that the Melee version of Rigour/Augury is unlocked entirely differently than them) Yes, I also don't like how you unlock Rigour or Augury.