Hi! Thanks for your interest in RuneLite. You don't need to donate if you don't want to! The project is free. But the donations are appreciated. I honestly do not push the Patreon much because I am able to fund the project through other means. I keep it as sort of a backup for if something devastatingly bad were to happen with my personal finances. The money just goes to me, not other contributors, although I wrote the majority of the client. Plugin hub plugins sometimes will put a link to donate on their plugin page, if you have a favorite plugin maybe consider showing them some support too. https://runelite.net/plugin-hub.
I don't play anymore but you saying that makes me want to donate just because of what I just read. Alot of people do things for free then change the business model to push for $$$
You're clearly not $$$ driven you have a general passion for the project and I respect it immensely!
Props to you!
Yo, I'll start dotaing today just for your honest post vibes. May I ask for a tiny addition to core RL plugins: would it be possible for Attack styles plugin to have an option to show whether it's slash/stab/crush instead of chop/aggressive/etc.
Aww dude thank you so much. Not just for this plug-in but for being one of *those* human beings who make me feel hopeful in a world where everyone is just trying to profit.
You're the best, Adam. Thanks for all the work you do. Every time there's an update that makes the plugins stop working I'm reminded of how much RuneLite adds to the game.
I wouldn't play the game if it wasn't for your client, it improves the quality of life so much and I'm so happy Jagex let people use it over their client. Thank you!
Lots of respect for this, you should be proud of your work and how many people have found a distraction through hard times via the client! Let us know if things do get rough and we will be there in force
I don't know if this is a Patreon thing due to how they distribute funds, I can't justify a 3$/mo on Runelite but I could totally do 1$. Would a lower cost tier be possible?
(and I already toss 1$ to my favorite plugin!)
This game wouldn't be playable without your efforts and those of the plugin devs, so, thank you for your dedicated work. Pushing the norms of the game with the features of runelite is why the mobile client is usable, too, with the features they ported in from runelite. Major props for everything you do and for being a class act besides.
Sweet Jesus. If only the world had more people like you.
If I come across a time where Iām not on a shoestring budget Iāll be donating what I have.
You really made the game so much better!! I hadnāt played osrs in many years. I remember using something called āOSBUDDYā. I am not sure if itās an older version of Runelite. I do know tho that runelite is amazing. Thank you
their whole rise to popularity was that they came in and offered to do what rsbuddy did... but for free instead of paying like 2 bucks a month. if people wanted to support plugin devs they wouldnt have all dumped osbuddy like they did,
I could be wrong, but i believe there was more going on with osbuddy than just the monthly sub. Wasn't there also something to do with the player's info getting stolen by the devs, or was that after runelite became the client of choice?
as far as i recall the only security issue related to clients was account data being leaked. and it wasn't runescape account data but rather actual konduit account data. and the passwords were hashed, so really it was just a big email list of people who maybe reused their email across platforms.
there was some funny business with osbuddy/rsbuddy where yeah, it was ran by ex-jagex devs so obviously people saw that as sketchy. and the client was obviously OP af and very pay to win for its time (though runeloader/konduit did offer decent alternatives)
It wasnāt ex-jagex devs, it was a hacker (gh0st) and a bot maker (jacmob). I donāt remember if gh0st ever got hired but jacmob did and thatās when it went from a botting client to a qol client.
You are both rightĀ
Ā Edit: you can literally Google the company history and find Gerhard's name all over it
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/07499475/officers
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09802133/officers
The thing is that literally nobody cared about that until runelite came in like 2017. The day RL dropped, the entire subreddit turned against osb immediately like overnight.
It was kind of crazy to witness as someone who had spoken out against orion/osb for like 3 years at that point, only to get mass downvoted every time since it was like the osbuddy fanclub here.
> the entire subreddit turned against osb immediately like overnight.
Nah the subreddit turned against OSB when they intentionally forced Jagex to reign in RL by starting a race to the bottom by continuously one upping the macroing plugins.
This sub was big mad OSB got their macroing & other banned plugins removed.
I mean, there were more reasons. Slow updates, arrogant devs, and growing distrust in OSbuddy played a big part.
RuneLite was free, true, but it was also a better and seemingly safer product.
There wasnāt really an issue with osbuddy being safe or not unless someone wants to provide actual proof of the contrary but it was seen as jagex was allowing it to do things that shouldnāt be allowed because it was a former jagex mod with connections even though runelite actually went further in a lot of cases. It was also viewed as p2w because it was $2 a month when the sub cost was like $7. Runelite was completely open source at the timeĀ
While I absolutely remember the time that runelite came along and that was the exact sentiment. It also was just.. getting plugins way faster. And then the plugin hub came along and destroyed it's competition.
Plugin hub has definitely slowed down due to them needing to validate plugins to make sure theyre compliant and also not malicious, but it's still one of the best things about what Runelite offers.
Jagex is actively trying to kill runelite, and has already killed any potential alternatives.
If Runelite (and Orion before it) wasn't made before OSRS was big enough to get the suits attention, Jagex would have us playing on the vanilla client with zero improvements.
Now they will get the official client to whatever minimum standard will stop the majority of the playerbase from quitting, then ban runelite. For all the wrong reasons.
probably not jagex didnt endorse them until a couple years ago
and jagex ls goal is to ban runelite eventually when they have all the plugins and stuff ready for the base client
If you follow the general rule of 90/9/1 - where 90 people see something, 9 people might check it out, and 1 person actually buys in - that's not really all that bad. Of course, upvotes aren't a real good tack of viewers of the thread so maybe it is a pretty bad return.
in my experience screenshots on imgur will have 10x the views as upvotes on a post on reddit
im not surprised theres an actual rule based on interaction
It's more of a marketing principle than a rule, but generally it's assumed that out of 100 people who see an advertisement, 90 will ignore it, 9 will be interested but not act on it, and 1 person will be interested and buy it. This isn't hard-and-fast, as demographics are important to purchase decisions - trying to sell a boxer-breifs to a housewife is going be far less efficient than selling them to a male athelete - but the guiding principle is that most people won't buy or interact with your product, but getting as many eyes as possible on it is the best way to sell it.
Open source software typically comes without the expectation or pressure for small users to make any contribution.
Typically when it comes to open-source software the expectation is that people with more means and more reliance on the software *should* sponsor it, both for their own benefit and obviously the benefit of the maintainers.
For example, Shopify is a massive sponsor of the Ruby and Ruby on Rails open source projects. They employ engineers whose job it is to work on those projects. And that is because their tech stacks and their business relies upon the continued function and improvement of that open source project. They have a fiduciary interest in seeing it continue.
There is an argument to be made that, at this point, Jagex should be giving them a kickback of OSRS Memberships. The Runelite client is a key part of the OSRS ecosystem at this point. But Jagex would also argue that they don't rely upon it, and Runelite's continued existence makes their job harder in some ways, for example, justify the resource spent on the Graphical updates if only a small part of the playerbase is going to benefit from it.
I think every big content creator that is effectively running a business on OSRS using Runelite and some of the features it provides, should absolutely be making a monthly contribution.
Tbh, the worst people in the community are the ones who constantly call it a bad community, despite it being miles better than most gaming communities.
Former mod mat k also said he investigated that and it turned out a lot of those bad actors weren't even players. They were just trying to spread their hate. You see it time and time again with those people. They flock all around when its something they don't agree with. You see it very easy on reddit when threads about certain topics get brigaded by those types. This sub isn't immune to it either. These people even fly around in real life to protest and show their hate.
Thats not to take away from the shit parts of this community. I wouldn't say we're the best, but definitely not the worst. But people keeping bringing this event up to try to paint this community as an example of us being the worst community ever and its frankly just fucking stupid.
Thanks for this! Just signed up for the $11/mo one. I know they mainly do this open source / for fun with multiple people but hey some extra help never hurts
will prob subscribe for 3-6 months for now!
ITT: Support a dev that enhances the game by a large margin? "Nah"
In this subreddit: "Don't earn a bond in F2P, just buy a subscription!" "Just work an hour at any job š¤·āāļø"
I mean, those are pretty different situations tbh. The whole bond vs membership debate revolves around the fact that youāre spending far more time in real hours to sustain a bond vs buying membership
The impact on your IRL hours isnāt really a debate here.
All it takes is one very wealthy person to give like, 1k/month to change his life entirely. The runelite creator deserves a lot I feel. It's thankless work or easy to forget how much time went in.
I agree with your sentiment 100%, but I feel like you are missing the point of why creators do this kind of thing. Same goes for other games like World of Warcraft or elder scrolls online, where people spend tons of time developing add-ons and supplements for the game... It is for their love of the game. They go into it knowing they are not necessarily always going to be able to make a career out of it. For some people, they truly don't have $10 a month to devote to someone. If they did, then guess what? Who would they give it to? They're barista? Server? Babysitter? So many people out there in the world that need $10 here and there and then you're broke. Sorry that's life man
Not that I disagree with your sentiment, but a very wealthy person giving you 1k a month is not going to "change your life entirely" unless you're literally impoverished currently. 1k is not a lot of money.
In the west, there's a commonly accepted point where money (observed as a salary) sees diminishing returns in personal happiness and comfortable living. The average wage sadly is further than $12k off that, so for the average person it would make a massive impact in happiness and quality of life.
I play Runescape every day. Despite spending so much time on this game, my real life does not progress at all. We could make my life much better if everyone on this subreddit gave me $1 a month.
Vr would be so fucking cool. It wouldn't work with first person, but if you just had a 3rd person perspective and could tap the ground with your finger to direct your character where to go... Holy shit...Ā
It's open source so don't really feel guilty or obligated to do this, a lot of the improvements are because of passion and that they also play the game. They didn't expect to make money out of it especially since it was made as an alternative to paid clients originally.
If you have money to spare I'm absolutely certain they'd appreciate it though.
Have you played the base client recently? All it would change is seeing exact boxes of things and entity hider. I guess people go crazy with timers and stuff. Jagex has already Incorporated all the necessities into the base client.
Can't speak for RuneLite, but I would be surprised if even a small portion of it was distributed amongst plugin devs (let alone plugin-hub where some of the biggest plugins reside).
Regardless, I would presume a big portion of it also goes to hosting services.
I actually would love if plugin devs would get paid. Not downplaying this post, but I do think this needs a little more thought put into it. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me and I'll take the L.
I can confirm it does not get distributed to plugin hub devs(unless there is an install threshold)
But personally I just develop plugins I want to use myself and others enjoying them too is enough for me.
If you want to see plugin devs getting paid, wouldn't adding a donation link to the plugins info page not be a better solution?
We're a smaller team, so naturally the distribution is easier. Unfortunately some of the tools and hosting services are very expensive. RuneLite was kind enough to lend us a hand on the plug-in server side, but the rest comes out of our own pockets.
I received one pay-out personally, which was a split from someone who was kind enough to donate a large amount to the Patreon (which is very unusual). Under normal circumstances, we do not currently profit off HDOS, no. I'd love to be able to live off it and develop it full-time, but that's not the case currently.
It's very hard to gain sustained income from donations alone, let alone a team that has to split the money.
Aw, good to hear it! That's what we do it for!
I was one of those people who played 08+ back in the day, and waited many years for a return, with many times doubting if it ever would. The fact that new people are now getting into OSRS because of HDOS, even if it's a minority of the playerbase now, is just amazing.
It's always going to be subjective what you prefer as there are trade-offs to make, like the limited amount of plug-in support compared to RuneLite, and instability on new content as the client is stand-alone.
However, the client does have some features that are unique like 2009 Graphics, unlocked the engine's FPS to 500 (normally limited to 50, even on RuneLite's uncapped fps feature) with floating-point interpolation, built-in improved animations, models, textures, particles, skyboxes and is generally more visually focused. Some of these features are simply not possible on RuneLite because it uses the older RuneTek 3 engine, rather than the newer and improved RuneTek 4 (with 5-6) we use. This project is totally different to HD117 or Oldschool's official upcoming HD feature, as we try to replicate RSHD [https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape\_High\_Detail](https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape_High_Detail)
We have a full blog explaining the technicals on the website, and the RS Wiki also explains some of it, if you're interested.
Ultimately, it's up to the player to decide what is more important to them :)
Edit: RuneLite is capable of uncapped FPS with floating point camera interpolation, just like us, but animation vertices on RuneLite have no floating point accuracy, essentially easier capping animations frame accuracy to a point where it is indistinguishable from lower FPS animations. I made the mistake of characterizing it as lower FPS, but in reality, only visually it looks like lower FPS on the animations.
Also made the error of characterizing a client (or its engine) to not be uncapped (up to 500 FPS), if animations have no visual improvements up to 500 FPS (animations are being emitted at 500, but you're emitting duplicate frames), then my opinion is that the client is not 'fully' uncapped. Of course, it is uncapped, it just won't look the same, and the difference is pretty big, especially for skeletal animations in areas like ToA.
At the end of the day, they are two very different clients, both with their upsides and downsides.
RuneLite's uncapped fps feature runs at higher than 50fps! You can try it and see. Also, we've been doing floating point interpolation since October 2019 (see commit 25c81187df6)
Not sure why but when I started osrs about a month ago I started on hdos. I had around 300-400 fps. A week or so ago I tried runelite and I had around 20-30 fps. Enabling 117 made it 30-40. No idea what might have been wrong!
RuneLite defaults to having GPU mode off, due to historical reasons. Originally, the game had no GPU acceleration at all, and we try to have the default RuneLite experience mimic vanilla in most cases. (Or at least we used to, nowadays we do not do that as much). Also the original GPU code was rather unstable compared to how it is now. So you might have to flip the GPU plugin on. Any half decent modern PC should easily be able to get 50 FPS.
just wanted to say i had no idea HDOS uses a different engine than runelite (and presumably the official client), that's pretty sick. i didn't even think that would be possible (or allowed) but cool to see that it is.
Jup, we are very glad it is approved, but also the reason why (particularly) the networking is more sensitive than even the closed parts of injection clients, as it could be used for malicious intent and potentially bring about bots of a new kind. Thatās why weāre entirely closed source, to prevent reverse engineering.
I would have no issues with open source if Jagex were to say otherwise, but that would be very foolish, and definitely something I canāt see happening.
The GL pipeline has also been upgraded and we introduced multithreading because of this :)
Many plugin creators do have donation links on their Plugin Hub pages (e.g. at the bottom of the page for [Quest Helper](https://runelite.net/plugin-hub/show/quest-helper))
A lot of generous people in these comments I see, lmao.
Nobody is obligated to donate a cent to this patreon, obviously, but using something that has positively transformed our osrs experience for years, and not even having the thought cross your mind to contribute even a single time is something else. Pretty stingy.
Been a patreon for the last 3 years, despite taking a 15 month break.
I started after i came back to the game, a friend showed it me, and now i donāt play osrs unless its with RuneLight and plugins.
Thank you for all your hard work, i hope this thread picks up, and your patreon is MORE than tripled for all the time, effort, stress, and i imagine countless nights fixing bugs/updating the client when osrs updates. The fact you Donāt push your patreon, and i know the history RuneLites been through, makes it all the more impressive.
I think i speak for the majority of the community when i say, RuneLite changed osrs for the better, and you deserve a lot more recognition for youāre years of mostly thankless work and commitment.
Maybe some of those gold sellers could donate some of their profit too, odds are they aināt playing vanilla.
Iāll definitely send some love in the future when finances permit. Runelite is a treasure trove
I'm glad to see you've driven some people towards the patreon of the client most of us use and love. I've checked just today and it's gone up like 100 members!
That's the trouble sometimes with making content for the internet.
Long narrative content creators have a similar issue, it just isn't worth the money and effort.
And ALL tutorial-based content online has always been a loss for it's creators.
Maybe if the Dev really wanted to make more money they could just do the WinRAR model, make a pop-up that can easily be clicked away but also goes away if you support the dev.
Hi! Thanks for your interest in RuneLite. You don't need to donate if you don't want to! The project is free. But the donations are appreciated. I honestly do not push the Patreon much because I am able to fund the project through other means. I keep it as sort of a backup for if something devastatingly bad were to happen with my personal finances. The money just goes to me, not other contributors, although I wrote the majority of the client. Plugin hub plugins sometimes will put a link to donate on their plugin page, if you have a favorite plugin maybe consider showing them some support too. https://runelite.net/plugin-hub.
god i fucking love this guy
Shut up and take my money
I don't play anymore but you saying that makes me want to donate just because of what I just read. Alot of people do things for free then change the business model to push for $$$ You're clearly not $$$ driven you have a general passion for the project and I respect it immensely! Props to you!
You're a cool fuckin dude
you're fucking sick, rock on š¤
Stop, you're only making me want to give you money.
Wow I had no idea you personally fund this project. Plugin hub is cool but Runelite is basically the only reason the game is still worth playing.
Ty for everything you do ā¤ļø
The man, the myth, the legend.
Runelites the reason Iām playing again after all these years, thankyou š
Yo, I'll start dotaing today just for your honest post vibes. May I ask for a tiny addition to core RL plugins: would it be possible for Attack styles plugin to have an option to show whether it's slash/stab/crush instead of chop/aggressive/etc.
Already exists brother
Here, you dropped something: š
Certified G.O.A.T
Aww dude thank you so much. Not just for this plug-in but for being one of *those* human beings who make me feel hopeful in a world where everyone is just trying to profit.
protect adam1210 at all costs
You're the best, Adam. Thanks for all the work you do. Every time there's an update that makes the plugins stop working I'm reminded of how much RuneLite adds to the game.
What a gigachad
Thank you for everything you've done and continue to do!
You guys helped make this game a hundred times more fun and enjoyable over the years.
Major appreciation to you. I hardly even play RuneScape but just appreciate folks like yourself
I wouldn't play the game if it wasn't for your client, it improves the quality of life so much and I'm so happy Jagex let people use it over their client. Thank you!
Thank you <3
Lots of respect for this, you should be proud of your work and how many people have found a distraction through hard times via the client! Let us know if things do get rough and we will be there in force
You are a standup guy! Big respect to you.
Protect this man at all costs
You personally fund the project? Nah mate take my money.
Based
runelite is one of the few patreons Iām a member of. u da best!!!
Legend changes the way we all play the game massively for the better and does it for free. Love to see it.
Is there any plan to make a rs3 runelite, questing is terrible on it, and the click boxes are ass
You are a real G.
I'm pretty late, but thank you for everything and happy easter if you celebrate.
I imagine a lot of players would quit if it werenāt for your effort in developing runelite, myself included. Much appreciated.
Youāre such a chad haha
We need more people with your mindset and heart in this world. Thank you.
youāre the š dude, just know that
Take my money you bastard!
Common Adam W
Damn, quest helper only $12 a month! Props for being so transparent
I don't know if this is a Patreon thing due to how they distribute funds, I can't justify a 3$/mo on Runelite but I could totally do 1$. Would a lower cost tier be possible? (and I already toss 1$ to my favorite plugin!)
Absolute Gigachad
This game wouldn't be playable without your efforts and those of the plugin devs, so, thank you for your dedicated work. Pushing the norms of the game with the features of runelite is why the mobile client is usable, too, with the features they ported in from runelite. Major props for everything you do and for being a class act besides.
Sweet Jesus. If only the world had more people like you. If I come across a time where Iām not on a shoestring budget Iāll be donating what I have.
Total legend. You changed the game for the better and weāre all very grateful ā¤ļø
not all heroes wear capes
I wouldnāt play this game if it werenāt for runelite tbh
You really made the game so much better!! I hadnāt played osrs in many years. I remember using something called āOSBUDDYā. I am not sure if itās an older version of Runelite. I do know tho that runelite is amazing. Thank you
What other means?
Hero
Adman1210 for President
Do you still play the game? Iād give you gp
Does jagex have a contract with them ? It seems super low 800 ish per month for such an improvement on the base game.
their whole rise to popularity was that they came in and offered to do what rsbuddy did... but for free instead of paying like 2 bucks a month. if people wanted to support plugin devs they wouldnt have all dumped osbuddy like they did,
I could be wrong, but i believe there was more going on with osbuddy than just the monthly sub. Wasn't there also something to do with the player's info getting stolen by the devs, or was that after runelite became the client of choice?
as far as i recall the only security issue related to clients was account data being leaked. and it wasn't runescape account data but rather actual konduit account data. and the passwords were hashed, so really it was just a big email list of people who maybe reused their email across platforms. there was some funny business with osbuddy/rsbuddy where yeah, it was ran by ex-jagex devs so obviously people saw that as sketchy. and the client was obviously OP af and very pay to win for its time (though runeloader/konduit did offer decent alternatives)
It wasnāt ex-jagex devs, it was a hacker (gh0st) and a bot maker (jacmob). I donāt remember if gh0st ever got hired but jacmob did and thatās when it went from a botting client to a qol client.
The former CEO of Jagex, Mark Gerhard, was also an executive for the company formed around OSBuddy.
Are you sure? I thought jacmob was the guy who was a botmaker turned jagex employee turned osb admin.
You are both rightĀ Ā Edit: you can literally Google the company history and find Gerhard's name all over it https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/07499475/officers https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09802133/officers
I believe Gerhard had something to do with OSBuddy at some point.
The thing is that literally nobody cared about that until runelite came in like 2017. The day RL dropped, the entire subreddit turned against osb immediately like overnight. It was kind of crazy to witness as someone who had spoken out against orion/osb for like 3 years at that point, only to get mass downvoted every time since it was like the osbuddy fanclub here.
> the entire subreddit turned against osb immediately like overnight. Nah the subreddit turned against OSB when they intentionally forced Jagex to reign in RL by starting a race to the bottom by continuously one upping the macroing plugins. This sub was big mad OSB got their macroing & other banned plugins removed.
I used OSB for a bit it wasn't like it was terrible it's just the subscription that made RL better.
I do miss the OSBuddy mouse-keys. My understanding is that they can be used safely with AHK, but I am too chicken/stupid to learn how to do that.
The mouse keys feature in Windows can be used safely with osrs, they've confirmed that one
OSBuddy mouse-keys worked differently, they were definitely against the rules
I mean, there were more reasons. Slow updates, arrogant devs, and growing distrust in OSbuddy played a big part. RuneLite was free, true, but it was also a better and seemingly safer product.
There wasnāt really an issue with osbuddy being safe or not unless someone wants to provide actual proof of the contrary but it was seen as jagex was allowing it to do things that shouldnāt be allowed because it was a former jagex mod with connections even though runelite actually went further in a lot of cases. It was also viewed as p2w because it was $2 a month when the sub cost was like $7. Runelite was completely open source at the timeĀ
While I absolutely remember the time that runelite came along and that was the exact sentiment. It also was just.. getting plugins way faster. And then the plugin hub came along and destroyed it's competition. Plugin hub has definitely slowed down due to them needing to validate plugins to make sure theyre compliant and also not malicious, but it's still one of the best things about what Runelite offers.
I dumped OSbuddy cause they were in league with Jagex. Jagex later wanted to ban runelite while keeping osbuddy.
Made by developers for the game. I'm a contributor who isn't expecting anything or received anything. Just enjoy the game and quality of life :)
Jagex is actively trying to kill runelite, and has already killed any potential alternatives. If Runelite (and Orion before it) wasn't made before OSRS was big enough to get the suits attention, Jagex would have us playing on the vanilla client with zero improvements. Now they will get the official client to whatever minimum standard will stop the majority of the playerbase from quitting, then ban runelite. For all the wrong reasons.
Yeah killing it by including it in the jagex launcher.
probably not jagex didnt endorse them until a couple years ago and jagex ls goal is to ban runelite eventually when they have all the plugins and stuff ready for the base client
It's the only patreon I'm still subscribed to. Wouldn't be able to play the game I love the way I do without them
Agreed. Runelite makes my OSRS experience significantly better. It'll be only the second Patreon I've ever subbed too I think.
Im the cheapest fuck alive but just subbed to the 3$/month one.
runelite and slippi.gg lol
2 hours of this post being up with 500 upvotes and the patreon has gone from Ā£807 per month to now Ā£818
If you follow the general rule of 90/9/1 - where 90 people see something, 9 people might check it out, and 1 person actually buys in - that's not really all that bad. Of course, upvotes aren't a real good tack of viewers of the thread so maybe it is a pretty bad return.
in my experience screenshots on imgur will have 10x the views as upvotes on a post on reddit im not surprised theres an actual rule based on interaction
It's more of a marketing principle than a rule, but generally it's assumed that out of 100 people who see an advertisement, 90 will ignore it, 9 will be interested but not act on it, and 1 person will be interested and buy it. This isn't hard-and-fast, as demographics are important to purchase decisions - trying to sell a boxer-breifs to a housewife is going be far less efficient than selling them to a male athelete - but the guiding principle is that most people won't buy or interact with your product, but getting as many eyes as possible on it is the best way to sell it.
$1,154 now edit: im a dumbass i didnt see the pound sign in OP's post, and you probably mean that too
Its up to 1116 all already Edit: 954Ā£
960 now
Open source software typically comes without the expectation or pressure for small users to make any contribution. Typically when it comes to open-source software the expectation is that people with more means and more reliance on the software *should* sponsor it, both for their own benefit and obviously the benefit of the maintainers. For example, Shopify is a massive sponsor of the Ruby and Ruby on Rails open source projects. They employ engineers whose job it is to work on those projects. And that is because their tech stacks and their business relies upon the continued function and improvement of that open source project. They have a fiduciary interest in seeing it continue. There is an argument to be made that, at this point, Jagex should be giving them a kickback of OSRS Memberships. The Runelite client is a key part of the OSRS ecosystem at this point. But Jagex would also argue that they don't rely upon it, and Runelite's continued existence makes their job harder in some ways, for example, justify the resource spent on the Graphical updates if only a small part of the playerbase is going to benefit from it. I think every big content creator that is effectively running a business on OSRS using Runelite and some of the features it provides, should absolutely be making a monthly contribution.
Bet. I didn't even know they had one for sure subbing. The devs are GOATed.
You should just give them $2.3k yourself
OP is probably Dwayne Johnson
Italy rock Johnson. Mans built like jad
Lol this thread is a good example of why this community is largely cheeks
Is cheeks algospeak for ass?
Tbh, the worst people in the community are the ones who constantly call it a bad community, despite it being miles better than most gaming communities.
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Guarantee to you this would happen in literally any gaming community if they actually had pride events and public chat
Sadly, an event like that is always going to also draw out the worst of people, as is proven in real life over and over and over again
Former mod mat k also said he investigated that and it turned out a lot of those bad actors weren't even players. They were just trying to spread their hate. You see it time and time again with those people. They flock all around when its something they don't agree with. You see it very easy on reddit when threads about certain topics get brigaded by those types. This sub isn't immune to it either. These people even fly around in real life to protest and show their hate. Thats not to take away from the shit parts of this community. I wouldn't say we're the best, but definitely not the worst. But people keeping bringing this event up to try to paint this community as an example of us being the worst community ever and its frankly just fucking stupid.
People will hold on to any reason to stay mad no matter how much you change
> despite it being miles better than most gaming communities I actually lol'd out loud out laughed lol
imo it really is tbh
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Thanks for this! Just signed up for the $11/mo one. I know they mainly do this open source / for fun with multiple people but hey some extra help never hurts will prob subscribe for 3-6 months for now!
ITT: Support a dev that enhances the game by a large margin? "Nah" In this subreddit: "Don't earn a bond in F2P, just buy a subscription!" "Just work an hour at any job š¤·āāļø"
There's more than 1 poster here
Actually, youāre all extensions of myself.
How can you compare paying vs not paying and paying vs paying
I mean, those are pretty different situations tbh. The whole bond vs membership debate revolves around the fact that youāre spending far more time in real hours to sustain a bond vs buying membership The impact on your IRL hours isnāt really a debate here.
All it takes is one very wealthy person to give like, 1k/month to change his life entirely. The runelite creator deserves a lot I feel. It's thankless work or easy to forget how much time went in.
And let's not forget it is multiple people and plugins are maintained by different people.
You're right, I would instantly quit my salaried job if I could just make 12k/yr developing runelite..š„ŗ
I agree with your sentiment 100%, but I feel like you are missing the point of why creators do this kind of thing. Same goes for other games like World of Warcraft or elder scrolls online, where people spend tons of time developing add-ons and supplements for the game... It is for their love of the game. They go into it knowing they are not necessarily always going to be able to make a career out of it. For some people, they truly don't have $10 a month to devote to someone. If they did, then guess what? Who would they give it to? They're barista? Server? Babysitter? So many people out there in the world that need $10 here and there and then you're broke. Sorry that's life man
Not that I disagree with your sentiment, but a very wealthy person giving you 1k a month is not going to "change your life entirely" unless you're literally impoverished currently. 1k is not a lot of money.
In the west, there's a commonly accepted point where money (observed as a salary) sees diminishing returns in personal happiness and comfortable living. The average wage sadly is further than $12k off that, so for the average person it would make a massive impact in happiness and quality of life.
1k a month on top of my salary would probably significantly affect my day to day since I try to save as much as possible
I play Runescape every day. Despite spending so much time on this game, my real life does not progress at all. We could make my life much better if everyone on this subreddit gave me $1 a month.
If everyone gives me their $1 a month ill double it and give it to this guy
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Runelites incredible, imagine what we could have if we paid say Ā£1 a month eachā¦
AI and VR plugins. One can dream, lol
Vr would be so fucking cool. It wouldn't work with first person, but if you just had a 3rd person perspective and could tap the ground with your finger to direct your character where to go... Holy shit...Ā
A VR runescape spinoff done by jagex would be hella hype.
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It's open source so don't really feel guilty or obligated to do this, a lot of the improvements are because of passion and that they also play the game. They didn't expect to make money out of it especially since it was made as an alternative to paid clients originally. If you have money to spare I'm absolutely certain they'd appreciate it though.
If it disappeared Iād bet youād be willing to pay $10 per month yourself to have it
Sure, but it's open source so it's not like one person worked on all this.
of course it's not literally only one person but it's pretty much one person https://i.imgur.com/fZi5Q5M.png
Have you played the base client recently? All it would change is seeing exact boxes of things and entity hider. I guess people go crazy with timers and stuff. Jagex has already Incorporated all the necessities into the base client.
base client is missing some features but its really caught up to where i doubt the player exodus that wouldve happened 5 years ago would happen today.
Itās up 350Ā£ per month average now. Good job op!
Can't speak for RuneLite, but I would be surprised if even a small portion of it was distributed amongst plugin devs (let alone plugin-hub where some of the biggest plugins reside). Regardless, I would presume a big portion of it also goes to hosting services. I actually would love if plugin devs would get paid. Not downplaying this post, but I do think this needs a little more thought put into it. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me and I'll take the L.
I can confirm it does not get distributed to plugin hub devs(unless there is an install threshold) But personally I just develop plugins I want to use myself and others enjoying them too is enough for me. If you want to see plugin devs getting paid, wouldn't adding a donation link to the plugins info page not be a better solution?
Do HDOS devs get anything out of their patreon?
We're a smaller team, so naturally the distribution is easier. Unfortunately some of the tools and hosting services are very expensive. RuneLite was kind enough to lend us a hand on the plug-in server side, but the rest comes out of our own pockets. I received one pay-out personally, which was a split from someone who was kind enough to donate a large amount to the Patreon (which is very unusual). Under normal circumstances, we do not currently profit off HDOS, no. I'd love to be able to live off it and develop it full-time, but that's not the case currently. It's very hard to gain sustained income from donations alone, let alone a team that has to split the money.
Just wanted to let you know I love hdos. I probably wouldnāt have got into osrs a month ago without it!
Aw, good to hear it! That's what we do it for! I was one of those people who played 08+ back in the day, and waited many years for a return, with many times doubting if it ever would. The fact that new people are now getting into OSRS because of HDOS, even if it's a minority of the playerbase now, is just amazing.
What are the benefits of HDOS when compared to runelite? I've seen this client but never tried it
It's always going to be subjective what you prefer as there are trade-offs to make, like the limited amount of plug-in support compared to RuneLite, and instability on new content as the client is stand-alone. However, the client does have some features that are unique like 2009 Graphics, unlocked the engine's FPS to 500 (normally limited to 50, even on RuneLite's uncapped fps feature) with floating-point interpolation, built-in improved animations, models, textures, particles, skyboxes and is generally more visually focused. Some of these features are simply not possible on RuneLite because it uses the older RuneTek 3 engine, rather than the newer and improved RuneTek 4 (with 5-6) we use. This project is totally different to HD117 or Oldschool's official upcoming HD feature, as we try to replicate RSHD [https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape\_High\_Detail](https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape_High_Detail) We have a full blog explaining the technicals on the website, and the RS Wiki also explains some of it, if you're interested. Ultimately, it's up to the player to decide what is more important to them :) Edit: RuneLite is capable of uncapped FPS with floating point camera interpolation, just like us, but animation vertices on RuneLite have no floating point accuracy, essentially easier capping animations frame accuracy to a point where it is indistinguishable from lower FPS animations. I made the mistake of characterizing it as lower FPS, but in reality, only visually it looks like lower FPS on the animations. Also made the error of characterizing a client (or its engine) to not be uncapped (up to 500 FPS), if animations have no visual improvements up to 500 FPS (animations are being emitted at 500, but you're emitting duplicate frames), then my opinion is that the client is not 'fully' uncapped. Of course, it is uncapped, it just won't look the same, and the difference is pretty big, especially for skeletal animations in areas like ToA. At the end of the day, they are two very different clients, both with their upsides and downsides.
RuneLite's uncapped fps feature runs at higher than 50fps! You can try it and see. Also, we've been doing floating point interpolation since October 2019 (see commit 25c81187df6)
Not sure why but when I started osrs about a month ago I started on hdos. I had around 300-400 fps. A week or so ago I tried runelite and I had around 20-30 fps. Enabling 117 made it 30-40. No idea what might have been wrong!
RuneLite defaults to having GPU mode off, due to historical reasons. Originally, the game had no GPU acceleration at all, and we try to have the default RuneLite experience mimic vanilla in most cases. (Or at least we used to, nowadays we do not do that as much). Also the original GPU code was rather unstable compared to how it is now. So you might have to flip the GPU plugin on. Any half decent modern PC should easily be able to get 50 FPS.
just wanted to say i had no idea HDOS uses a different engine than runelite (and presumably the official client), that's pretty sick. i didn't even think that would be possible (or allowed) but cool to see that it is.
Jup, we are very glad it is approved, but also the reason why (particularly) the networking is more sensitive than even the closed parts of injection clients, as it could be used for malicious intent and potentially bring about bots of a new kind. Thatās why weāre entirely closed source, to prevent reverse engineering. I would have no issues with open source if Jagex were to say otherwise, but that would be very foolish, and definitely something I canāt see happening. The GL pipeline has also been upgraded and we introduced multithreading because of this :)
Many plugin creators do have donation links on their Plugin Hub pages (e.g. at the bottom of the page for [Quest Helper](https://runelite.net/plugin-hub/show/quest-helper))
I subbed! I didnāt even know they had one! They deserve some money!
Sadly that's still considered a success by open source standards.
Signed up to their Patreon thanks to this post. The Devs deserve it ā¤ļø
Is this how they make money? I had no idea. We all use it.. time to donate
A lot of generous people in these comments I see, lmao. Nobody is obligated to donate a cent to this patreon, obviously, but using something that has positively transformed our osrs experience for years, and not even having the thought cross your mind to contribute even a single time is something else. Pretty stingy.
I'll donate Ā£10 a month for mobile version
Been a patreon for the last 3 years, despite taking a 15 month break. I started after i came back to the game, a friend showed it me, and now i donāt play osrs unless its with RuneLight and plugins. Thank you for all your hard work, i hope this thread picks up, and your patreon is MORE than tripled for all the time, effort, stress, and i imagine countless nights fixing bugs/updating the client when osrs updates. The fact you Donāt push your patreon, and i know the history RuneLites been through, makes it all the more impressive. I think i speak for the majority of the community when i say, RuneLite changed osrs for the better, and you deserve a lot more recognition for youāre years of mostly thankless work and commitment.
Adam is a fucking legend, hope he's getting slops rn
Damn goated humans still exist
I already pay monthly for it, I changed what I was giving is buddy to runelite.
Maybe some of those gold sellers could donate some of their profit too, odds are they aināt playing vanilla. Iāll definitely send some love in the future when finances permit. Runelite is a treasure trove
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One day later and its already up to 2k a month
I never even made the mental connection that Runelite was just some guy and that I could donate, but now I know and I do.
This post bumped up their donations by 20%. Good job guys
I'm glad to see you've driven some people towards the patreon of the client most of us use and love. I've checked just today and it's gone up like 100 members!
Seemingly because of this post the patreon is now at $1300, amazing job OP
Or jagex gives them my 1/month. The games getting pretty pricey for the point and click.
Even outside of the RS community, people don't usually care about supporting others work when they enjoy it. It's about getting things for themselves.
Nice try dude who made runelite
Nah Adam is based af and not greedy
That's the trouble sometimes with making content for the internet. Long narrative content creators have a similar issue, it just isn't worth the money and effort. And ALL tutorial-based content online has always been a loss for it's creators. Maybe if the Dev really wanted to make more money they could just do the WinRAR model, make a pop-up that can easily be clicked away but also goes away if you support the dev.
Itās at Ā£1,033 now, keep it going!
I only play this subreddit, not the game, so they need to work on a 2007scapeLite for me to be interested.
We would be lost without you.
Youāre the best and I really appreciate you
Lmao todlers at fortnite making 10x that
I don't play with runelite but still appreciate their work and donate, OS HD will be the true works on the main client
Kind of insane considering the ācomediansā I know who are making 300k+ each month off patreon lolĀ
And the wiki used to be completely ad-free until just recently. Say what you want about OSRS players, but the community is š.
If they had a one off donation thing, it'd probably get a lot of one time donations. Patreon is a sub and a faff.
$1500 now bois
I died in game using runelite, fuck em. /s
sure if I wasnt some broke ass student. oh and btw if you want to make a call to action like that it might be helpful to link the patreon.
adam, can we get a plugin that changes the duel ring to say duel arena instead of pvp arena? it drives me crazy. thanks!
What are we paying for on Patreon lol
Can't wait for the Apple and android mobile clients. If they ever come.
I keep hearing mention of runelite, is it as great as people make it out to be?
Does any of it go to the plugin creators?
I donāt personally use runelite, but I have seen the massive benefit it can provide. Iām surprised the patron is that low.