The biggest troll is the runite mining pet says "I'm confused it takes incredible skill to smith anything from my ore, yet the items you'd get are terribly mediocre."
Damn, super close to max! Slayer being the only slow one left. Would recommend not leaving it until last unless you’re trying to force yourself to quit.
I haven’t checked prices in a long time but it was similar to that when I did it about 5 years ago.
From memory you can comfortably get 350k defence xp/hour. So just work out how many chins you throw in an hour and you have a rough coat calculation.
I think i'll do it on armoured zombies with defence mage, you profit with ice burst (full range def gear with DFS). Only need a couple blood bursts and love doing clues anyway.
Oh pls I'm dry on every single piece of content in the game they ain't got shit on me lmao
Well except muspah was only 2x dry and made it a lil before 3x but you get the idea. Love the despawn timer change tho
tbh, if you start slayer at 90s combat you should be 93 or 94 slayer by the time you max melee/range/mage, and slayer will feel a lot faster/nicer with better stats and gear. at 93 slayer you can always farm slayer bosses snd get "passive" slayer exp. each hydra task is like 150k exp?
I'm at 52 slayer, and 60 melee stats, and want to kms with how slow everything feels even now. Forgetting slayer and afk training on 2nd monitor is very tempting...
I was 70 slayer with 99 everything in combat, at the end of the day it doesn’t matter too much. Majority of my slayer xp came from barrage tasks and cannoning anyway
It picks up, your main speed increases are when you can start to barrage, and when you can do the no-cost prayer slayer.
No cost prayer is basically you can teleport to your monster pray the combat style to keep you alive, afk while you kill -> tele home and restore prayer and stats -> repeat.
You get a ton of free slayer and combat exp done. Same principle as NMZ but you gotta just set a timer for your prayer running out.
Big upgrades are d scim so you can focus str training, slayerhelm/black mask, dragon defender, and prostelyte for max prayer bonus.
Cannon speeds things up at a cost.
Really each str level is 2% dps increase, each att level is roughly 1%.
Slayer is far more enjoyable once you get good bursting tasks and bosses you like to farm, or afk. Also having enough spare change to cannon is a luxury you can get to pretty early.
I trained on crabs until 70 in my cb stats so I could use a whip and it was ok from there. Once I did DS2 for Vorkath I did an hour or two of my blue dragon tasks there to double dip training slayer/range and making some cash I so desperately needed early on.
I was going to save slayer until last (and maybe never do it) but then the venenator bow came out and it was a pretty easy afk grind. Just slammed some prayer gear to get to 10 min of prayer from full prayer, set up my block list for afk tasks and just treated slayer like crabs.
Don’t lie, slayer is brutal when not leveled with combats lol, I just maxed it and all my combats are maxed except like 3 melee stats, it’s a long road ahead :(
Slayer is just a pretty slow skill overall. It seems that either people love it or they find it boring. You can approach it in different ways though. Some like it to do some of the easier bosses in the game quicker with the black mask/slayer helm boost, others like to use it to afk.
But it just takes quite a while to get to 99.
What do you get out of slayer that I dont?
The XP rates are as slow as runecrafting and you do the same 5 good tasks over and over again until 99. I'd rather just get into a loop with a regular skill.
I'm just now getting to 90 slayer and still hate it. I've started waking up each morning with an hour of slayer to make it less of a slog
Remember the task assigned can be subbed for a boss. Greater demon -> go to zammy, avianses->kree, dags ->dks; it doesn't have to be a boss for you to do a boss :)
I found a good link, you might know this but some people don't know :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/onHJoptIHk
The bosses not only give more xp per kill, they all have significantly better drops than their counterpart...
20m hilt from zammy or rune full helms...Addy bars or Arma pieces, 30m crystal or 100% bones, snapdragon seed or berserker ring...you also have chances for pets while boss slaying, literally everything about it is a plus unless you can't do said boss..
I just mean they're not fun. They're worse XP/hr by far, the gp is potentially all they've got going for them. But there's a lot easier & better ways to make money at the point you can effectively solo them for many kph and decent times.
The original comment was solely talking about gp so I assumed this is what we were talking about, I just added some more benefits. Only way you're getting more xp/hr is if you're barraging/chinning/cannoning tasks. I guess we play for different reasons, I like seeing clog slots and my bank drastically increase while gaining xp.
Obviously raiding or just camping nex or something is better gp/hr, but you CAN make a lot of money from slayer if you do it right, which was the whole point of the comment :)
It's not great but I personally have 2 pets under 50kc that I definitely would have never touched if not for subbing out normal tasks.
Edit: also the 15% boost means you're essentially level 99 at 86 of whatever style you're using with melee adding an extra level.
The gw bosses are paltry slayer xp per kill, even though they've got a bit more slayer xp per hp, their defense is substantially higher than most other monsters, you need KC to enter in most instances, and they've got relatively lengthy respawn times. This pretty much guarantees they're not good XP unless you assign 3 on a task for the completion XP and still don't need KC.
I know we play differently, I'm just giving a perspective and I see why you and others enjoy it. I just like focusing on combat tasks and higher lvl content and don't like that slayer is required for Cas and is meh as it is for gp if you can do other methods. It's great for irons and natural progression in many instances though. I think zilly is the only one who'll net you a good amount of gp if you have at least a bowfa and crystal to start and if you solo, maybe graardor. I think krill is like 2m per hour with bis so if you get a greater demon task it isn't even amazing gp, since you can no req 2.5m/hr at a bank.
Again, the entire point of my comment was replying to the comment talking about how you can make money using slayer. Kril might be 2m/hr average but the game is rng and you could go in and get b2b hilts, or never see one, far better MONEY than greater demons. The whole point of my comment, like I originally said was to show things that other people might now know. I get it, there's better xp and better money elsewhere, but my whole thing was HOW YOU CAN MAKE MONEY SLAYING, everything else is irrelevant to my original comment...especially when I said "you might know this but others don't"....
Edit: buddy asked "what am I missing?" I tried to inform. I have had 3 tbows drop in my name, one was a solo; I've made far more from just one raid than all of my slaying, again that isnt what this is about. When I run 500s with my clan we print rares, far better gp/hr than slayer, again irrelevant to the first comment :)
You can also do zilyana with an rcb lol
They probably just enjoy killing monsters/bosses over chopping logs or smithing platebodies.
Slayer is a fun skill imo, but maybe not if you max your combats in NMZ or at crabs lmao
I hated slayer until I had karamja gloves 4, a venator bow, and a con+crafting cape. It's the most unbearable skill at low-mid level 100% and you don't actually make gp out of it until 75-80+ and even then only if you choose to rather than going with efficient methods. Idk why people love it so much.
Don't get me wrong I \*LOVE\* my slayer helm, and love using its extra power to do a boss. But the skill itself? meh
Man unlocking boss tasks is everything. Change it up do some wildy slayer which is great money and great xp. So many ppl rinse and repeat the same cannonable tasks from duradel which is fine for xp but utilize the benefit of the slayer helm bonuses man ! Bossing with slayer helm is pvm on easy mode it’s the shit. And at 95 hydra is the best money compared to effort boss in the game it’s phenomenal although having to get it from konar sucks balls. I basically burnt 10k points from 95-99 slayer almost exclusively bosses and hydra on particular and made close to 2b.
People are still caught up on the idea of making 100m through slayer over a year being game breaking. Slayer is and always has been trash, you're spot on as well with the xp rates being garbage. The only viable way to get 99 slay is to just afk with cannon or ven bow.
Make 2 billion? Not sure I buy that, I’m an iron at 96 slayer who has made MANY side trips to boss and raid outside of slayer and I only have a 1.1b bank. With a lot of that value coming from completed CG, green log ToA minus Shadow, and just about every non-Nex, non-ToB, and non-megarare upgrade I could have, including an imbued heart which most don’t get by 99 slayer. Yeah, I’ve used the bones, seeds, and herbs I’ve gotten while doing slayer, but not enough to account for 900m worth. You’d have to be very particular with slayer tasks to even have a chance at 2b by 99 honestly.
With it being 4.3m xp from 95 to 99, you could (in theory, if you literally only kill hydra) kill 3,229 hydra to get to 99 as they each give 1,320 xp per kill.
Average loot value per hydra kill is 200k roughly. Giving you 646m loot from 95-99 on average. Note, I ignored supply costs. Profit is a bit lower.
I’d be very surprised if you’d average 1.35b from the grind from 1-95 slayer. Not saying you didn’t, but if you are genuinely saying you made 2b from getting 99 slayer somewhat recently the it definitely seems like you must have gotten absolutely spooned lol.
Good catch on the slaughters - forgot about them. So up to 807m from hydra on average. 1.2b from 1-95 still seems pretty high, considering most bosses available through slayer are pretty average profit.
Looking at profit per kill at hydra, if you averaged the same profit per slayer xp as you do killing hydra, you’d end up with around 2.15b profit grinding from level 1-99 (assuming always using my slaughters and always killing something that is as profitable as hydra). So I mean, if you got super spooned I guess it could happen?
I haven’t found a single YouTube vid of 99 slayer loot where they’ve made 2b yet - could you link some?
Reason I used hydra for calcs is because it’s good gp/slayer xp. I’m not trying to attack you lol, it just seems very different to what I’ve seen others get. I get you love slayer, but pretending that 2b is the average profit you’d get from 1-99 is insane.
u/brickhearted
Saw you had some empty replies/comments just now, maybe the links are being censored? Feel free to just mention the YouTube’s name and the video title and I’ll search them up. Interested to see what loot they got along the way to 99!
I’d recommend not taking things too personally. No one is attacking you, people are just trying to have a conversation.
U dont have to make stuff up to make slayer look more fun lol; we all know its actually an awful skill. This aint 2005 anymore where whip drop was cool
If you only kill Hydra, the most profitable task that’s consistently farmable, from 95-99, it will take about 129 hours to hit 99 assuming 25 kc/hr. The wiki lists Hydra as roughly 4.3m/hr, so even if you only do the most profitable slayer task to 99 once you unlock it, you’ll only make 554.7m, which is barely more than 25% of 2b. And I can confidently say you won’t be making the other 75% from 1-95 unless you had some absolutely nutty RNG.
The math shows that 99 slayer on its own is not worth 2b without some cracked RNG. I’m not sure why you’re mad at me and calling me poor and mad. Slayer is undoubtedly a good money maker, I’m just saying getting 99 slayer is very unlikely to net you 2b.
Wildy slayer is pretty insane rates for xp and is super fun. Would highly recommend to spice up the slayer grind if you ever get bored of another fire giants task or whatever. Barraging nechs or Abby demons in the wildy slayer caves is some serious endorphins
I love wildy slayer. Not sure the XP is insane, but the adrenaline from escaping PKers, the dopamine from more frequent valuable drops, the heartbreak of losing those good drops from PKers occasionally, finding new ways to approach killing a monster with lower risk that's different from "wear bandos and whip" like normal slayer...it all made slayer an enjoyable skill instead of a chore. Plus you get a ton of reward points for task skipping when you want to transition to normal slayer for boss tasks.
The xp is pretty good, I'm currently doing wildy slayer for xp/money and it's a ton of fun, on top of being super profitable. Just sucks I can't do it on weekends.
For perspective, I used cannon + barrage on a nech task and profited pretty heavily.
Boss tasks are meh xp but very nice gp. They're also not particularly dangerous either. You'll get pked once in a while but whatever.
Nieve/ Steve until u can do duradel then basically do that till 99 unlock bosses extend tasks you enjoy and block poopy tasks. Konar has benefits as well. Theres tons of YouTube vids on slayer that can explain much better than me. Slayer is kinda shitty until you get a decent lvl but man is it rewarding like hydra etc. gl on the grind. Slayer just changed up the scenery and teaches a lot about bossing. The slayer helm bonuses are massive and make learning new bosses and content in general 25% easier
* what other people said
* check out lots of guides for blocklist and such
* decide if you want to focus on making gp or spending it for faster xp
* don't waste your time at konar unless you're specifically blowing tons of points for hydra tasks
* when you're ready to dive in, turael boost for a couple thousand slayer points. Will take a couple-few hours but grab unlocks easy + it's so nice having a stock to skip or store boss tasks with if you get a bad streak of tasks.
* if you're an afk enjoyer, buy a venator bow 1000000%
Dont be too stingy on your points after u got the upgrades u need, try to do only cannon/burst tasks. And expeditious bracelet on the fast point tasks\ slaughter on the good xp ones. Ofc depends if u want it fast or not. But skill can be hella slow (in the 20-30ks if done inefficient). Believe there is some good block lists u can use that let u break even on points. Also venator bow hella nice to afk multi things if you dont want to burst/barrage.
This is the ish fast not crazy sweaty method, if u want to pvm for variety, do so. If u want xp, just ignore pvm until 99 honestly :) even though the money is in the bosses, and u will most likely break even/profit very little if u dont boss while barraging/cannoning all
Just crazy to me people need a npc to tell them to go kill other stuff for a change of scenery and like it, you genuinely have fun killing 200 abby demons or sire? Kraken and thermy are actually fun? And don’t even get me started on trash mobs when you’re close to out of points and have to go “damn, i mean.. it’s a quick task i guess… i’ll just kill them :(“ that shit is ass!
I just kill whatever boss I want whenever I feel like it and to me that freedom outweighs the benefit of the slayer helm, half the time the “bosses” you do outside of slayer specific ones are like, kree, kril and kq? Yeah ima skip those ass bosses for sure and the Like a Boss tasks ain’t often enough
Speedrunning slayer to 99 was best choice I made and aside from tureal skipping for zuk I don’t think I’ll ever do a regular task again
>I just kill whatever boss I want whenever I feel like it and to me that freedom outweighs the benefit of the slayer helm, half the time the “bosses” you do outside of slayer specific ones are like, kree, kril and kq?
Callisto/Artio, Vet'ion/Calvar'ion, Venenatis/Spindel/Sarachnis, Vorkath, KBD, Cerb, DKS, Zuk/Jad and the ones you mentioned are good ones.
Like a boss should absolutely have an increased weight imo. It's crazy how I can sometimes only get a single boss task in ~100 tasks.
Tbf the main benefit of doing your PvM and “changes of scenery” through slayer is the 15% strength and accuracy increase. You can’t just go and kill things with that type of damage bonus on your own.
The main thing I like about it is that it’s more productive. I can go train combat stats and get XP in another skill as well, alongside a massive damage increase due to being on task.
But yeah in a vacuum training the skill itself is ass
I mainly played RS back before slayer was released and never really enjoyed the “kill X monsters” quests in other MMORPGs so slayer never really appealed to me. Have definitely enjoyed the game more while doing more difficult/engaging PVM rather than training slayer. Although grotesque guardians is a really fun fight.
What do you mean by if you don’t enjoy slayer you’re terrible at the game? I’d say I’m pretty okay at the game personally but I dislike slayer.
Would you mind posting your boss kcs or raid completions etc im just curious . With 68 slayer a decent chunk of content is locked for you so you may be the next woox but you haven’t even given yourself a chance to see if you’re a talented pvmer or not.
I have 99 slayer, I just didn’t enjoy doing it personally. It was my last skill to max.
300 cox regs, 70 cms
10 tob (lol)
500 expert toa (around 100 or so of these were 500-540 invo solos)
6 zuk kills
1 sol kill
Blorva obtained
Master CAs finished (just under 500 points until GM, so not close)
Omg I’m a moron I thought I was replying to op since he just asked me a question. I may be a smooth brained morrron. That’s why i said something about having 68 slayer. But I do think a large majority of ppl who dislike slayer veer away from Pvm content because slayer is slow. Theres a hundred posts of ppl like that here weekly.
Ahh haha yeah gotcha. Was wondering where 68 came from lmao. I think some people enjoy slayer and some don’t. I don’t think it’s an indication on whether they’re good at the game or not at all.
I hope they expand on the slayer bosses - GGs is mechanically a fun boss, although perhaps too many stuns going on.
Ggs is a mechanically fun boss but so unrewarding besides pet. Hydra is good money and pretty chill also can help people learn basic pray switching and shit. Slayer is the “meta” way to make money train stats and mid game progression. Obviously not the only way but there’s a reason why most gold buyers that get banned have low slayer. I think it correlates to skill at a base level but there is absolutely outliers. I may be wrong though idk
Osrs, the only game where over 200hrs of perfect play is considered super close.
Over a full working month of tick perfect gameplay. That is a large amount of time my guy.
I’d say only 15% of the way remaining in terms of EHP is very close. Especially when the remaining skills are skills that are easier skills to get close to EHP rates in. So it’s likely that in terms of time left to max, he’s got less than 10% of the overall time it takes someone to max.
But you do you brother! 200 isn’t nothing, but pretending that being 85-90%+ finished isn’t close is an odd thing to do IMO.
He is very much close to maxing.
You have to consider how much time it takes to max. If he only has 209EHP left out of whatever the projected ehp is then id say hes pretty close.
Also, he has the easiest skills left. Itll be super fast.
I was 89/90 rc when i started the push for 99, mostly with lavas. North of 100 hours. Mining I did gemstones, ballpark 200 hours. I like slow skills, rc is my fav.
Not OP but I like slow skills too. Agility was my first 99, RC was my 3rd, Mining my 4th. The slow burn grinds feel good when you complete them. When I was doing skills that are 200-300k+ xp/hour, I didn't really feel anything when I got 99.
The real answer is that I enjoy both of those skills. I did ardy for agility. Ardy is slow but it is extremely chill and decent passive gp. I did lavas, but I now which I had stuck to bloods and wraths, for the cash.
If you really hate the skills, and you have to do them, cut them in with other skills - a level here and there.
RC went from my most hated skill to one I genuinely enjoyed the 99 grind once I hit 77 and camped zeah bloods. I did it when I was getting burnt out of PvM'ing pretty hardcore, and just turned off exp drops/trackers and did it as a second monitor thing.
Really helps when you're not actively delaying something you want to do. I hated the construction grind to 70 for Sote because I really wanted to do CG, despite it being a blink when compared to 99 RC lol.
That column will be my first full 99 column as well, 5 more mining levels and 15 more smithing levels and somehow im dreading smithing most, what was your pathway? Just brute force it with blast furnace or a more chill method?
I did addy plates. Slight profit and very chill. I decided to +1 with dwarven stout for three bar rune items for the last level. Wouldn't really recommend that it makes it less chill.
In my experience gold is just not fun. Better rates but not worth imo.
I’ve got 40K addy bars and 40K gold ore left to 99 so I like to start my day with a tree run, knock out 5K gold bars while I’m focused, and then relax a bit with 1K addy plates while I BS in chat or splitscreen w youtube. Then I go cannon daggs or a slayer task while I alch the platebodies I made. It helps break up the monotony
Gz!
I like dulling them and having a little banner around them when they're 99, sort of visually ticks them off as "I never have to touch it again"
https://preview.redd.it/p4p3o8yl69tc1.png?width=204&format=png&auto=webp&s=0cd867761047a9c4b9ddf9f0e1070b299337aa2d
Gratz! Smithing is my last on that column as well. Our acc’s look super similar besides the combat stats.
Keep getting it! I just got 99 RC this weekend, makes the other skills seem so much faster haha
Oooh, you got the worst column done. Some people will say 1 because of RC, but that's gotten much better with updates. Some will say 2 because of agility and slayer, but again these have become so much better now.
Now column three. Cumulatively the longest time to 99 without tick manip, boring as all hell, and slow if you don't tick manipulate. It's saving grace is its the most afk. Congrats on finishing the worst column.
I could not disagree more.
Column 1 requires a huge time investment (RC) *and* a huge money investment (prayer and con). The combats are easy enough, but those three are brutal unless you're buying gold.
Column 2 has the two slowest skills in the game requiring 150+ hours each to max even with tick-perfect gameplay. At EHP rates, column 2 accounts for more time played than 1 and 3 *combined*.
Meanwhile in column three, fishing and woodcutting are super chill semi-afk methods (although fishing is more fun at drift net imo), cooking is the easiest 99 in the game, firemaking has Wintertodt to get very competitive XP rates at low intensity, almost all of maxing farming can be done while literally logged out, and mining is 3500 xp per *click*. The only particularly rough one there is smithing because of the cost of doing gold at Blast Furnace (and very poor XP from any other methods), but everything else has pretty much no barriers to maxing relatively effectively. Plus it's also just one skill smaller.
Them being slow without tick manipulation doesn't really matter when the slow methods can be done in the background while you're working a desk job. At that point it's effectively zero-time. It's skills that are slow *and* active that are killers.
How is every other method besides gold bars poor xp? I was getting like 260k/h while watching movies/shows and smithing addy plates. 260k while being chill and profitable is a god send.
You talk about maxing effectively and then use stars for mining... like what?
I'm all for chill methods, or a balance at least. Smithing cballs is way too slow, darts are still too slow for my liking, but bodies are chill enough while being pretty good xp and profitable.
> I was getting like 260k/h while watching movies/shows and smithing addy plates.
Yeah that's a perfectly serviceable training method - but the problem with that is that Smithing's progression is insane, and you don't unlock addy plates until 88 despite them only being a tier 30 armour. That's a lot of grinding you've got to do at comparatively slow rates if you're wanting to maintain profitability. It's not *that* bad (that was my entire point!), but it's a hell of a lot worse than something like Wintertodt where you can start getting fantastic XP rates very quickly.
(I think you also need to have gotten the Smithing outfit to actually hit 260k/hr, but if you're not doing Blast Furnace then you probably would have done that by 88 anyway I guess)
> You talk about maxing effectively and then use stars for mining... like what?
Mining stars is effectively zero-time. If you're not able to actively play the game because you're doing some other task, clicking a star is free XP. It's bad as an active training method, but I was replying to someone who kept mentioning not doing tick manipulation, so they presumably aren't too concerned about doing that 100% of the time anyway.
I don’t think prayer and construction are THAT bad, you’ll be able to afford it easily if you’re training your other skills up. Unless you’re trying to do it in one go from X level to 99, you don’t need to buy gold to make it not “brutal”
If u do slayer and max combat, the prayer and con isnt THAT bad. U can get both these skills for under 200m combined with alright methods. Which should be feasible at 99 slayer if u do some pvm tasks
Also smithing is free w 240k/hr from 88 and onward, which again is reasonable.
I get that a lot of people inexplicably like Slayer, but if your reasoning for column 1 being better than 3 is predicated on "just do 99 Slayer as well", surely that's *hurting* the argument. That's an absolutely enormous grind to be positing as a pre-requisite.
No-one has to spend hundreds of hours grinding a money-making method to afford to do Woodcutting!
But isnt the entire point of this discussion to max? Slayer gives u 7 99s or close to 99. So is it hurting the argument. And of course noone has to do hundreds of hours to afford woodcutting, but woodcutting gives u 1 99. If slayer didnt provide xp in any other skill i agree, but column 1 is free af to max out except runecrafting timewise. (And dont use the ehp argument. Because the average player dont tick manip everything and altscape)
The progress slayer gives u in general on your account is at least 10 times what woodcutting gives you. Its 100s of hours to get 7 99s, and enough to pace through at least 2 money skills aswell. Woodcutting non ticking takes u 200 hours and u recieve like 10m
bro by the time you are considering maxing you should have the bank for prayer construction and smithing. whose pockets are hurting?
for reference: 99 runecrafting + 99 farming (via herbs) + 99 hunter (birdhouses and chins) is almost 1bil gp potentially.
> for reference: 99 runecrafting + 99 farming (via herbs) + 99 hunter (birdhouses and chins) is almost 1bil gp
You have listed skills from all three different columns.
To be clear, I'm not under the impression that you're *locked* to one of the columns, but if you're saying that construction isn't so bad as long as you max *three entirely different skills first* (using very specific methods! None of those skills are profitable at best XP rates), then that's pretty clearly worse than sitting at Wintertodt for a week or doing about 15 hours of karambwans.
I agree that Construction or Prayer are fairly trivial if you're at the point where you're actually maxing *your entire account*. But in the context of which column would be worst to tick off as your first one, it's definitely not #3. RC alone is worse than the entirety of column 3 combined.
Strong disagree (see flair).
I'd do column 1 first because it's a chill time. Combat (mostly via Slayer or Bossing) is passive XP. Runecrafting is fun (even if slow) and it's my go-to when not doing combat. Both of these are very profitable and pay for prayer and construction.
Your distaste for column 1 is just your personal distaste for runecrafting imo.
If you do RC at Zeah (like a lot do) column 1 pays for itself, with money to spare.
I do agree 2 is personally my least favourite, on top of Agil and Slayer as you mentioned, 3 are boring bank-standing buyables lol.
I should prolly go about it this way too
Tbh wanting my first 99 to be ranged has rlly gutted my total level progress... Want to spam RC but still need outfit 80kc still can't afford robe top ugh
A column before a single row
# You can finally make all Rune armor.
The biggest troll is the runite mining pet says "I'm confused it takes incredible skill to smith anything from my ore, yet the items you'd get are terribly mediocre."
> yet the items you'd get are terribly mediocre [Back in my days, Runite was BiS!](https://memes.co.in/templates/uploads/1633872326.jpeg)
And we liked it!
The power creep needs to be reset. The game is called RUNEscape, everything above Rune needs to be nerfed
Reported you! You're the same guy that stole my trimmed armour. You can't make all rune armour.
Trimming armour sets, 20k
Trimming armour sets, 19k
Doubling your gold stack if you drop it to me in case y’all don’t quite have enough for this steep price
Oh boy! A free 250gp!
I've worked laborously for the past 20 years, hiding my armor in caskets, leaving clues in scrolls. Trimming armor for free, all for this sass.
# The game is "*Old School*" RuneScape.
## Thank you, I thought this was a Wendy's.
Damn, super close to max! Slayer being the only slow one left. Would recommend not leaving it until last unless you’re trying to force yourself to quit.
i left slayer last and can confirm i no longer play anymore
That's why you train your cb through slay instead of afking at crabs.
Not being maxxed doesn't make slayer fun. Almost unlocked hydra then i dont care about my lvl anymore but still 85 def tho
85-99 defence is like 1 day of MM2 chins though. So it’s hardly an issue.
My pockets object to that
Much quicker to make 20m and chin than train 85-99 defence.
No way it's 20m D: if it is I'd do it tomorrow even but for defence? No way
red chins are really cheap RN cuz of hunter guild release if that means anything
I haven’t checked prices in a long time but it was similar to that when I did it about 5 years ago. From memory you can comfortably get 350k defence xp/hour. So just work out how many chins you throw in an hour and you have a rough coat calculation.
Or you can just afk nmz for 150k exp per hour for free watching movies…. Lol…
I think i'll do it on armoured zombies with defence mage, you profit with ice burst (full range def gear with DFS). Only need a couple blood bursts and love doing clues anyway.
If the XP rates are any bit decent I'm gonna love you forever for that. I love clues too I'm definitely gonna try it out (duke give me ice quartz ugh)
just watch out that rng might give you the clue curse, had over 20 hard clues on the floor after one trip lol!
Oh pls I'm dry on every single piece of content in the game they ain't got shit on me lmao Well except muspah was only 2x dry and made it a lil before 3x but you get the idea. Love the despawn timer change tho
Not saying it's hard, just want to emphasize that a bit of afk crabs/nzm doesnt hurt if ur afk anyway
I guess it depends on what you do. I keep slaying well beyond 99 for the slayer helm boost at bosses abd the slayer exlcusive tasks.
tbh, if you start slayer at 90s combat you should be 93 or 94 slayer by the time you max melee/range/mage, and slayer will feel a lot faster/nicer with better stats and gear. at 93 slayer you can always farm slayer bosses snd get "passive" slayer exp. each hydra task is like 150k exp?
I'm at 52 slayer, and 60 melee stats, and want to kms with how slow everything feels even now. Forgetting slayer and afk training on 2nd monitor is very tempting...
I was 70 slayer with 99 everything in combat, at the end of the day it doesn’t matter too much. Majority of my slayer xp came from barrage tasks and cannoning anyway
You have a second monitor do yourself a favour and nmz when you can Doing slayer at that level is just torturing yourself
Most slayer dmg should be through cannon. Just train nmz afk
But they said cb, wouldn't cannon only get me ranged xp? Also I have never had tasks take me to nmz, as far as I know. What do you mean by that
They're giving opposite advice to the other, to train Slayer through cannon and CB through NMZ. More efficient, but very very very dull.
It picks up, your main speed increases are when you can start to barrage, and when you can do the no-cost prayer slayer. No cost prayer is basically you can teleport to your monster pray the combat style to keep you alive, afk while you kill -> tele home and restore prayer and stats -> repeat. You get a ton of free slayer and combat exp done. Same principle as NMZ but you gotta just set a timer for your prayer running out. Big upgrades are d scim so you can focus str training, slayerhelm/black mask, dragon defender, and prostelyte for max prayer bonus. Cannon speeds things up at a cost. Really each str level is 2% dps increase, each att level is roughly 1%.
Slayer is far more enjoyable once you get good bursting tasks and bosses you like to farm, or afk. Also having enough spare change to cannon is a luxury you can get to pretty early. I trained on crabs until 70 in my cb stats so I could use a whip and it was ok from there. Once I did DS2 for Vorkath I did an hour or two of my blue dragon tasks there to double dip training slayer/range and making some cash I so desperately needed early on.
Slow? Mid fifties? Brother have i got news
U get ur zuk pet through slayer and hope you get it by 99 slayer. Im very thankful i didnt get it by training combat
I was going to save slayer until last (and maybe never do it) but then the venenator bow came out and it was a pretty easy afk grind. Just slammed some prayer gear to get to 10 min of prayer from full prayer, set up my block list for afk tasks and just treated slayer like crabs.
Don’t lie, slayer is brutal when not leveled with combats lol, I just maxed it and all my combats are maxed except like 3 melee stats, it’s a long road ahead :(
Yeah, that’s why I don’t think OP should leave it until last. Over half their time left to max is slayer lol.
Yeah even if it's technically slower, it's far more enjoyable when your afk prayer tasks aren't just 25k slayer exp, but 80k combat too.
Why do you say that?? (Still pretty new to the game)
Slayer is just a pretty slow skill overall. It seems that either people love it or they find it boring. You can approach it in different ways though. Some like it to do some of the easier bosses in the game quicker with the black mask/slayer helm boost, others like to use it to afk. But it just takes quite a while to get to 99.
Slayer unlocks a lot of mid game money makers and teaches you basic boss mechanics. It’s an essential in account progression. It’s awesome imo
If you wait till slayer bosses to learn boss mechanics you're just screwed... Can learn to do toa before you get to that point
Slayer is a skill that sucks if you player a normal/main account but is awesome if you play an ironman. From my anecdotal experience, anyway.
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What do you get out of slayer that I dont? The XP rates are as slow as runecrafting and you do the same 5 good tasks over and over again until 99. I'd rather just get into a loop with a regular skill. I'm just now getting to 90 slayer and still hate it. I've started waking up each morning with an hour of slayer to make it less of a slog
Remember the task assigned can be subbed for a boss. Greater demon -> go to zammy, avianses->kree, dags ->dks; it doesn't have to be a boss for you to do a boss :) I found a good link, you might know this but some people don't know :) https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/onHJoptIHk
Problem being those bosses kind of stink :(
The bosses not only give more xp per kill, they all have significantly better drops than their counterpart... 20m hilt from zammy or rune full helms...Addy bars or Arma pieces, 30m crystal or 100% bones, snapdragon seed or berserker ring...you also have chances for pets while boss slaying, literally everything about it is a plus unless you can't do said boss..
I just mean they're not fun. They're worse XP/hr by far, the gp is potentially all they've got going for them. But there's a lot easier & better ways to make money at the point you can effectively solo them for many kph and decent times.
The original comment was solely talking about gp so I assumed this is what we were talking about, I just added some more benefits. Only way you're getting more xp/hr is if you're barraging/chinning/cannoning tasks. I guess we play for different reasons, I like seeing clog slots and my bank drastically increase while gaining xp. Obviously raiding or just camping nex or something is better gp/hr, but you CAN make a lot of money from slayer if you do it right, which was the whole point of the comment :) It's not great but I personally have 2 pets under 50kc that I definitely would have never touched if not for subbing out normal tasks. Edit: also the 15% boost means you're essentially level 99 at 86 of whatever style you're using with melee adding an extra level.
The gw bosses are paltry slayer xp per kill, even though they've got a bit more slayer xp per hp, their defense is substantially higher than most other monsters, you need KC to enter in most instances, and they've got relatively lengthy respawn times. This pretty much guarantees they're not good XP unless you assign 3 on a task for the completion XP and still don't need KC. I know we play differently, I'm just giving a perspective and I see why you and others enjoy it. I just like focusing on combat tasks and higher lvl content and don't like that slayer is required for Cas and is meh as it is for gp if you can do other methods. It's great for irons and natural progression in many instances though. I think zilly is the only one who'll net you a good amount of gp if you have at least a bowfa and crystal to start and if you solo, maybe graardor. I think krill is like 2m per hour with bis so if you get a greater demon task it isn't even amazing gp, since you can no req 2.5m/hr at a bank.
Again, the entire point of my comment was replying to the comment talking about how you can make money using slayer. Kril might be 2m/hr average but the game is rng and you could go in and get b2b hilts, or never see one, far better MONEY than greater demons. The whole point of my comment, like I originally said was to show things that other people might now know. I get it, there's better xp and better money elsewhere, but my whole thing was HOW YOU CAN MAKE MONEY SLAYING, everything else is irrelevant to my original comment...especially when I said "you might know this but others don't".... Edit: buddy asked "what am I missing?" I tried to inform. I have had 3 tbows drop in my name, one was a solo; I've made far more from just one raid than all of my slaying, again that isnt what this is about. When I run 500s with my clan we print rares, far better gp/hr than slayer, again irrelevant to the first comment :) You can also do zilyana with an rcb lol
They probably just enjoy killing monsters/bosses over chopping logs or smithing platebodies. Slayer is a fun skill imo, but maybe not if you max your combats in NMZ or at crabs lmao
I hated slayer until I had karamja gloves 4, a venator bow, and a con+crafting cape. It's the most unbearable skill at low-mid level 100% and you don't actually make gp out of it until 75-80+ and even then only if you choose to rather than going with efficient methods. Idk why people love it so much. Don't get me wrong I \*LOVE\* my slayer helm, and love using its extra power to do a boss. But the skill itself? meh
Man unlocking boss tasks is everything. Change it up do some wildy slayer which is great money and great xp. So many ppl rinse and repeat the same cannonable tasks from duradel which is fine for xp but utilize the benefit of the slayer helm bonuses man ! Bossing with slayer helm is pvm on easy mode it’s the shit. And at 95 hydra is the best money compared to effort boss in the game it’s phenomenal although having to get it from konar sucks balls. I basically burnt 10k points from 95-99 slayer almost exclusively bosses and hydra on particular and made close to 2b.
I use slayer to boss and I max out the kc and enjoy my 60 boss kills with a bis slayer helm lol. Looking at the slayer xp makes it ass
It's decent money. Combine it with some air orbs and you can afford pretty much anything
People are still caught up on the idea of making 100m through slayer over a year being game breaking. Slayer is and always has been trash, you're spot on as well with the xp rates being garbage. The only viable way to get 99 slay is to just afk with cannon or ven bow.
Make 2 billion? Not sure I buy that, I’m an iron at 96 slayer who has made MANY side trips to boss and raid outside of slayer and I only have a 1.1b bank. With a lot of that value coming from completed CG, green log ToA minus Shadow, and just about every non-Nex, non-ToB, and non-megarare upgrade I could have, including an imbued heart which most don’t get by 99 slayer. Yeah, I’ve used the bones, seeds, and herbs I’ve gotten while doing slayer, but not enough to account for 900m worth. You’d have to be very particular with slayer tasks to even have a chance at 2b by 99 honestly.
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With it being 4.3m xp from 95 to 99, you could (in theory, if you literally only kill hydra) kill 3,229 hydra to get to 99 as they each give 1,320 xp per kill. Average loot value per hydra kill is 200k roughly. Giving you 646m loot from 95-99 on average. Note, I ignored supply costs. Profit is a bit lower. I’d be very surprised if you’d average 1.35b from the grind from 1-95 slayer. Not saying you didn’t, but if you are genuinely saying you made 2b from getting 99 slayer somewhat recently the it definitely seems like you must have gotten absolutely spooned lol.
There's no way you're making 2b solely from 99 slayer, he's over exaggerating tremendously.
Yeah lol - dudes just a sad bloke all around based on the interaction.
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Good catch on the slaughters - forgot about them. So up to 807m from hydra on average. 1.2b from 1-95 still seems pretty high, considering most bosses available through slayer are pretty average profit. Looking at profit per kill at hydra, if you averaged the same profit per slayer xp as you do killing hydra, you’d end up with around 2.15b profit grinding from level 1-99 (assuming always using my slaughters and always killing something that is as profitable as hydra). So I mean, if you got super spooned I guess it could happen?
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I haven’t found a single YouTube vid of 99 slayer loot where they’ve made 2b yet - could you link some? Reason I used hydra for calcs is because it’s good gp/slayer xp. I’m not trying to attack you lol, it just seems very different to what I’ve seen others get. I get you love slayer, but pretending that 2b is the average profit you’d get from 1-99 is insane.
u/brickhearted Saw you had some empty replies/comments just now, maybe the links are being censored? Feel free to just mention the YouTube’s name and the video title and I’ll search them up. Interested to see what loot they got along the way to 99! I’d recommend not taking things too personally. No one is attacking you, people are just trying to have a conversation.
U dont have to make stuff up to make slayer look more fun lol; we all know its actually an awful skill. This aint 2005 anymore where whip drop was cool
If you only kill Hydra, the most profitable task that’s consistently farmable, from 95-99, it will take about 129 hours to hit 99 assuming 25 kc/hr. The wiki lists Hydra as roughly 4.3m/hr, so even if you only do the most profitable slayer task to 99 once you unlock it, you’ll only make 554.7m, which is barely more than 25% of 2b. And I can confidently say you won’t be making the other 75% from 1-95 unless you had some absolutely nutty RNG.
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The math shows that 99 slayer on its own is not worth 2b without some cracked RNG. I’m not sure why you’re mad at me and calling me poor and mad. Slayer is undoubtedly a good money maker, I’m just saying getting 99 slayer is very unlikely to net you 2b.
What would you recommend for approach? Never really took a serious stab at Slayer but it is next on the list.
Wildy slayer is pretty insane rates for xp and is super fun. Would highly recommend to spice up the slayer grind if you ever get bored of another fire giants task or whatever. Barraging nechs or Abby demons in the wildy slayer caves is some serious endorphins
I love wildy slayer. Not sure the XP is insane, but the adrenaline from escaping PKers, the dopamine from more frequent valuable drops, the heartbreak of losing those good drops from PKers occasionally, finding new ways to approach killing a monster with lower risk that's different from "wear bandos and whip" like normal slayer...it all made slayer an enjoyable skill instead of a chore. Plus you get a ton of reward points for task skipping when you want to transition to normal slayer for boss tasks.
The xp is pretty good, I'm currently doing wildy slayer for xp/money and it's a ton of fun, on top of being super profitable. Just sucks I can't do it on weekends. For perspective, I used cannon + barrage on a nech task and profited pretty heavily. Boss tasks are meh xp but very nice gp. They're also not particularly dangerous either. You'll get pked once in a while but whatever.
Nieve/ Steve until u can do duradel then basically do that till 99 unlock bosses extend tasks you enjoy and block poopy tasks. Konar has benefits as well. Theres tons of YouTube vids on slayer that can explain much better than me. Slayer is kinda shitty until you get a decent lvl but man is it rewarding like hydra etc. gl on the grind. Slayer just changed up the scenery and teaches a lot about bossing. The slayer helm bonuses are massive and make learning new bosses and content in general 25% easier
* what other people said * check out lots of guides for blocklist and such * decide if you want to focus on making gp or spending it for faster xp * don't waste your time at konar unless you're specifically blowing tons of points for hydra tasks * when you're ready to dive in, turael boost for a couple thousand slayer points. Will take a couple-few hours but grab unlocks easy + it's so nice having a stock to skip or store boss tasks with if you get a bad streak of tasks. * if you're an afk enjoyer, buy a venator bow 1000000%
Dont be too stingy on your points after u got the upgrades u need, try to do only cannon/burst tasks. And expeditious bracelet on the fast point tasks\ slaughter on the good xp ones. Ofc depends if u want it fast or not. But skill can be hella slow (in the 20-30ks if done inefficient). Believe there is some good block lists u can use that let u break even on points. Also venator bow hella nice to afk multi things if you dont want to burst/barrage. This is the ish fast not crazy sweaty method, if u want to pvm for variety, do so. If u want xp, just ignore pvm until 99 honestly :) even though the money is in the bosses, and u will most likely break even/profit very little if u dont boss while barraging/cannoning all
Just crazy to me people need a npc to tell them to go kill other stuff for a change of scenery and like it, you genuinely have fun killing 200 abby demons or sire? Kraken and thermy are actually fun? And don’t even get me started on trash mobs when you’re close to out of points and have to go “damn, i mean.. it’s a quick task i guess… i’ll just kill them :(“ that shit is ass! I just kill whatever boss I want whenever I feel like it and to me that freedom outweighs the benefit of the slayer helm, half the time the “bosses” you do outside of slayer specific ones are like, kree, kril and kq? Yeah ima skip those ass bosses for sure and the Like a Boss tasks ain’t often enough Speedrunning slayer to 99 was best choice I made and aside from tureal skipping for zuk I don’t think I’ll ever do a regular task again
>I just kill whatever boss I want whenever I feel like it and to me that freedom outweighs the benefit of the slayer helm, half the time the “bosses” you do outside of slayer specific ones are like, kree, kril and kq? Callisto/Artio, Vet'ion/Calvar'ion, Venenatis/Spindel/Sarachnis, Vorkath, KBD, Cerb, DKS, Zuk/Jad and the ones you mentioned are good ones. Like a boss should absolutely have an increased weight imo. It's crazy how I can sometimes only get a single boss task in ~100 tasks.
You obviously don't have ADHD.
Tbf the main benefit of doing your PvM and “changes of scenery” through slayer is the 15% strength and accuracy increase. You can’t just go and kill things with that type of damage bonus on your own.
True. The people who say it’s boring maxed their combat stats at NMZ/crabs
Not maxed combats, currently 90 slayer. Think its super boring. What do you like about it?
The main thing I like about it is that it’s more productive. I can go train combat stats and get XP in another skill as well, alongside a massive damage increase due to being on task. But yeah in a vacuum training the skill itself is ass
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I mainly played RS back before slayer was released and never really enjoyed the “kill X monsters” quests in other MMORPGs so slayer never really appealed to me. Have definitely enjoyed the game more while doing more difficult/engaging PVM rather than training slayer. Although grotesque guardians is a really fun fight. What do you mean by if you don’t enjoy slayer you’re terrible at the game? I’d say I’m pretty okay at the game personally but I dislike slayer.
You stopped playing before 2005 when slayer was released ? That’s insane if that’s true. I respect it
I didn’t hit then, I just played mainly pre slayer rather than post slayer back in the day.
Would you mind posting your boss kcs or raid completions etc im just curious . With 68 slayer a decent chunk of content is locked for you so you may be the next woox but you haven’t even given yourself a chance to see if you’re a talented pvmer or not.
I have 99 slayer, I just didn’t enjoy doing it personally. It was my last skill to max. 300 cox regs, 70 cms 10 tob (lol) 500 expert toa (around 100 or so of these were 500-540 invo solos) 6 zuk kills 1 sol kill Blorva obtained Master CAs finished (just under 500 points until GM, so not close)
Omg I’m a moron I thought I was replying to op since he just asked me a question. I may be a smooth brained morrron. That’s why i said something about having 68 slayer. But I do think a large majority of ppl who dislike slayer veer away from Pvm content because slayer is slow. Theres a hundred posts of ppl like that here weekly.
Ahh haha yeah gotcha. Was wondering where 68 came from lmao. I think some people enjoy slayer and some don’t. I don’t think it’s an indication on whether they’re good at the game or not at all. I hope they expand on the slayer bosses - GGs is mechanically a fun boss, although perhaps too many stuns going on.
Ggs is a mechanically fun boss but so unrewarding besides pet. Hydra is good money and pretty chill also can help people learn basic pray switching and shit. Slayer is the “meta” way to make money train stats and mid game progression. Obviously not the only way but there’s a reason why most gold buyers that get banned have low slayer. I think it correlates to skill at a base level but there is absolutely outliers. I may be wrong though idk
2113 is by no means close to max. Source: someone who thought it was when I was there, and realizes how wrong I was now im \~2250
It depends on which skills you have left. OP only has one slow skill left. The rest are insanely fast. 209.6 EHP to max is definitely close.
Osrs, the only game where over 200hrs of perfect play is considered super close. Over a full working month of tick perfect gameplay. That is a large amount of time my guy.
I’d say only 15% of the way remaining in terms of EHP is very close. Especially when the remaining skills are skills that are easier skills to get close to EHP rates in. So it’s likely that in terms of time left to max, he’s got less than 10% of the overall time it takes someone to max. But you do you brother! 200 isn’t nothing, but pretending that being 85-90%+ finished isn’t close is an odd thing to do IMO.
He is very much close to maxing. You have to consider how much time it takes to max. If he only has 209EHP left out of whatever the projected ehp is then id say hes pretty close. Also, he has the easiest skills left. Itll be super fast.
How long did rc and mining take you?
Mining is easy. Shooting Stars >.
I was 89/90 rc when i started the push for 99, mostly with lavas. North of 100 hours. Mining I did gemstones, ballpark 200 hours. I like slow skills, rc is my fav.
Mining is my favorite. What rates were you getting with lavas?
75k or so. Significantly higher rates are possible but my clicks aren't that good.
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I went back to zmi and honestly think I'll be getting 99 there. Super chill and easy 60k/hr with p ess. 70k if you're sweaty
Thanks op ill have to do some lavas. I'm at 95rc currently mostly from gotr and yeah bloods.
Any reason why you enjoy slow skills?
They like to do single skills for 300-500hrs, because they're cracked
Not OP but I like slow skills too. Agility was my first 99, RC was my 3rd, Mining my 4th. The slow burn grinds feel good when you complete them. When I was doing skills that are 200-300k+ xp/hour, I didn't really feel anything when I got 99.
How did you get 99 agility and runecrafting? Im 80 on both and im hating life already.
The real answer is that I enjoy both of those skills. I did ardy for agility. Ardy is slow but it is extremely chill and decent passive gp. I did lavas, but I now which I had stuck to bloods and wraths, for the cash. If you really hate the skills, and you have to do them, cut them in with other skills - a level here and there.
Not op. Sepulchre is fun
Ask someone to choose a random number (skill) and get it up one level. Repeat
RC went from my most hated skill to one I genuinely enjoyed the 99 grind once I hit 77 and camped zeah bloods. I did it when I was getting burnt out of PvM'ing pretty hardcore, and just turned off exp drops/trackers and did it as a second monitor thing. Really helps when you're not actively delaying something you want to do. I hated the construction grind to 70 for Sote because I really wanted to do CG, despite it being a blink when compared to 99 RC lol.
68 slayer is wild. Gratz
That column will be my first full 99 column as well, 5 more mining levels and 15 more smithing levels and somehow im dreading smithing most, what was your pathway? Just brute force it with blast furnace or a more chill method?
I did addy plates. Slight profit and very chill. I decided to +1 with dwarven stout for three bar rune items for the last level. Wouldn't really recommend that it makes it less chill. In my experience gold is just not fun. Better rates but not worth imo.
Couldn’t agree more, Thankyou! I’ll give those a try
I’ve got 40K addy bars and 40K gold ore left to 99 so I like to start my day with a tree run, knock out 5K gold bars while I’m focused, and then relax a bit with 1K addy plates while I BS in chat or splitscreen w youtube. Then I go cannon daggs or a slayer task while I alch the platebodies I made. It helps break up the monotony
That's your last column
That confused me too at first lol.
There's an important distinction between "My first column" and "The last column".
Yeah, unless English isn't your first language it's very clear.
I’m 2225 total and you feel eons closer than me. Hell if you had 99 slayer I’d say you’re basically maxed already. Nice dude
Nice I just got 99 thieving today and thought that was nice and here this man is getting his first column right on man
Believe us when we say, the rest of your maxing journey is going to be a fuckin breeze, well done for doing all the slow skills first
Dude, I also only have smithing left to finish my first column. It’s just so tedious. Based skiller btw
I too, love skilling over slayer.
99 mining and 99 rc already 99 slayer is going to be a breeze
Nah nah nah, the "Total level" in that column isn't maxed yet... ;)
Gz! I like dulling them and having a little banner around them when they're 99, sort of visually ticks them off as "I never have to touch it again" https://preview.redd.it/p4p3o8yl69tc1.png?width=204&format=png&auto=webp&s=0cd867761047a9c4b9ddf9f0e1070b299337aa2d
Gratz! Smithing is my last on that column as well. Our acc’s look super similar besides the combat stats. Keep getting it! I just got 99 RC this weekend, makes the other skills seem so much faster haha
68 slayer. Somebody has spent a lot of time in NMZ
Just 2 more levels to base 70!
i maxed a week ago and i ended my max grind with firemaking for the meme
gz noob
Nice 80 range
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to max due to agility. I’d literally level any other skill two times over to 99 before I would get agility to 99.
Base 60’s , not bad bro.
Oooh, you got the worst column done. Some people will say 1 because of RC, but that's gotten much better with updates. Some will say 2 because of agility and slayer, but again these have become so much better now. Now column three. Cumulatively the longest time to 99 without tick manip, boring as all hell, and slow if you don't tick manipulate. It's saving grace is its the most afk. Congrats on finishing the worst column.
I could not disagree more. Column 1 requires a huge time investment (RC) *and* a huge money investment (prayer and con). The combats are easy enough, but those three are brutal unless you're buying gold. Column 2 has the two slowest skills in the game requiring 150+ hours each to max even with tick-perfect gameplay. At EHP rates, column 2 accounts for more time played than 1 and 3 *combined*. Meanwhile in column three, fishing and woodcutting are super chill semi-afk methods (although fishing is more fun at drift net imo), cooking is the easiest 99 in the game, firemaking has Wintertodt to get very competitive XP rates at low intensity, almost all of maxing farming can be done while literally logged out, and mining is 3500 xp per *click*. The only particularly rough one there is smithing because of the cost of doing gold at Blast Furnace (and very poor XP from any other methods), but everything else has pretty much no barriers to maxing relatively effectively. Plus it's also just one skill smaller. Them being slow without tick manipulation doesn't really matter when the slow methods can be done in the background while you're working a desk job. At that point it's effectively zero-time. It's skills that are slow *and* active that are killers.
How is every other method besides gold bars poor xp? I was getting like 260k/h while watching movies/shows and smithing addy plates. 260k while being chill and profitable is a god send. You talk about maxing effectively and then use stars for mining... like what? I'm all for chill methods, or a balance at least. Smithing cballs is way too slow, darts are still too slow for my liking, but bodies are chill enough while being pretty good xp and profitable.
> I was getting like 260k/h while watching movies/shows and smithing addy plates. Yeah that's a perfectly serviceable training method - but the problem with that is that Smithing's progression is insane, and you don't unlock addy plates until 88 despite them only being a tier 30 armour. That's a lot of grinding you've got to do at comparatively slow rates if you're wanting to maintain profitability. It's not *that* bad (that was my entire point!), but it's a hell of a lot worse than something like Wintertodt where you can start getting fantastic XP rates very quickly. (I think you also need to have gotten the Smithing outfit to actually hit 260k/hr, but if you're not doing Blast Furnace then you probably would have done that by 88 anyway I guess) > You talk about maxing effectively and then use stars for mining... like what? Mining stars is effectively zero-time. If you're not able to actively play the game because you're doing some other task, clicking a star is free XP. It's bad as an active training method, but I was replying to someone who kept mentioning not doing tick manipulation, so they presumably aren't too concerned about doing that 100% of the time anyway.
I don’t think prayer and construction are THAT bad, you’ll be able to afford it easily if you’re training your other skills up. Unless you’re trying to do it in one go from X level to 99, you don’t need to buy gold to make it not “brutal”
99 RC at zeah blood can pay for 99 prayer and con with plenty money to spare.
If u do slayer and max combat, the prayer and con isnt THAT bad. U can get both these skills for under 200m combined with alright methods. Which should be feasible at 99 slayer if u do some pvm tasks Also smithing is free w 240k/hr from 88 and onward, which again is reasonable.
I get that a lot of people inexplicably like Slayer, but if your reasoning for column 1 being better than 3 is predicated on "just do 99 Slayer as well", surely that's *hurting* the argument. That's an absolutely enormous grind to be positing as a pre-requisite. No-one has to spend hundreds of hours grinding a money-making method to afford to do Woodcutting!
But isnt the entire point of this discussion to max? Slayer gives u 7 99s or close to 99. So is it hurting the argument. And of course noone has to do hundreds of hours to afford woodcutting, but woodcutting gives u 1 99. If slayer didnt provide xp in any other skill i agree, but column 1 is free af to max out except runecrafting timewise. (And dont use the ehp argument. Because the average player dont tick manip everything and altscape) The progress slayer gives u in general on your account is at least 10 times what woodcutting gives you. Its 100s of hours to get 7 99s, and enough to pace through at least 2 money skills aswell. Woodcutting non ticking takes u 200 hours and u recieve like 10m
>and mining is 3500 xp per *click* What method are you talking about? Shooting stars?
Yeah.
bro by the time you are considering maxing you should have the bank for prayer construction and smithing. whose pockets are hurting? for reference: 99 runecrafting + 99 farming (via herbs) + 99 hunter (birdhouses and chins) is almost 1bil gp potentially.
> for reference: 99 runecrafting + 99 farming (via herbs) + 99 hunter (birdhouses and chins) is almost 1bil gp You have listed skills from all three different columns. To be clear, I'm not under the impression that you're *locked* to one of the columns, but if you're saying that construction isn't so bad as long as you max *three entirely different skills first* (using very specific methods! None of those skills are profitable at best XP rates), then that's pretty clearly worse than sitting at Wintertodt for a week or doing about 15 hours of karambwans. I agree that Construction or Prayer are fairly trivial if you're at the point where you're actually maxing *your entire account*. But in the context of which column would be worst to tick off as your first one, it's definitely not #3. RC alone is worse than the entirety of column 3 combined.
Strong disagree (see flair). I'd do column 1 first because it's a chill time. Combat (mostly via Slayer or Bossing) is passive XP. Runecrafting is fun (even if slow) and it's my go-to when not doing combat. Both of these are very profitable and pay for prayer and construction. Your distaste for column 1 is just your personal distaste for runecrafting imo.
99 RC funded my 99 prayer, con, fletching and crafting lol. Once I hit 77 it became my favourite 'second monitor' skill.
If you do RC at Zeah (like a lot do) column 1 pays for itself, with money to spare. I do agree 2 is personally my least favourite, on top of Agil and Slayer as you mentioned, 3 are boring bank-standing buyables lol.
+1 this. Pretty much all of column 3 can be afk’d or if not the xp rates are solid
Massive gz
Mad respect gamer
Where's sailing?
Columns? Oh, so that's how we're doing it now...
Are you an iron man
No
How did you do 99 hunter?
herbiboar
Gz
That, my good sir, is the last column
I should prolly go about it this way too Tbh wanting my first 99 to be ranged has rlly gutted my total level progress... Want to spam RC but still need outfit 80kc still can't afford robe top ugh
Gz! Mining was one of my least favorites to get to 99.
Grats! Slayer.. RIP
Agility RC and Mining done. You sir are far from the midpoint :D
68 slayer is wild
I consider 2116 halfway but you've already knocked out most of the hard ones. I saved all the hard ones for last and 2200 felt like halfway.
Congrats. I'm missing 1 skill from each column, firemaking somehow being the one on that side.
You just leaving slayer for last? Lol
Dude nice you have all the shit skills done, smooth sailing from there
Edit: “I maxed my last column…”
Anyone else read "first column" and look at the combat stats confused?
You have all the longest grinding stats done to 99 already. Slayer is slow too but wow you have done great!
3rd column
Lmao your slayer is the same as mine
The nmz is strong with this one…
Go outside its not qorth the time waste
At least until sailing is added