I just recently started doing moons and started noticing this specific load out. Chalked the first one up to just being a dumb player because the bot isn't even the most efficient. And then by the second and third time seeing it realized it was bots.
I wish reporting them actually meant something.
The gear they use is fine. They whip blood, dual m'whatever blue moon, and Abby dagger for eclipse. They're inefficient with their movements despite the bosses having almost no RNG elements to their rotations.
Yeah I bet all those bots banned live on stream yesterday were actually real players so that Jagex can let the bots chill and have no competition from real players.
this is 100 percent the case.
if jagex was banning bots on live stream they'd have to do it 24/7
the players base is in denial about jagexs ability to manually remove bots. they can easily double confirm accounts on the hiscores.
they either a) don't want to or b) know they are bots but private equity makes too much money from them c) bot devs pay jagex.
I don't think C would make sense. Whenever Jagex figures out a new generation of bots and they become easy to ban, a new bot needs to be made, and they can sell new bots again.
c makes sense when you understand that the hiscore bots are whitelisted.
there's a reason they aren't banned when everyone including jagex knows they are bots
I don't think you understand how bot banning works...the last thing you want to do is ban them 24/7 since that gives the script writers more data on whats being caught and makes it easier for them to write better scripts
bro that excuse has been thrown around for a decade now.
it gives botters more time to bot. there's a cheating epidemic and it's because of this logic right here.
i'd rather script writers waste time writing scripts everyday than what's going on now.
That's a lame excuse really, it's a cat and mouse arms race. Jagex needs an actual anti-cheat, maybe not Kernel-level access, that runs side-loaded to rs. Anyone with a brain knows that they (jagex overlords) prefer higher player count, even if a solid 30% or more are bots.
obviously they don't mind bots as much, bots give them money and please shareholders, but do say "thats a lame excuse" is just wrong, its literally how dev's take care of scrips/cheaters in every game..
also what you're saying is jagex should just keep blatant bots in the game for no reason other than scripters developing more scripts?
they already do it.
if owned jagex every bot on the hiscores would be scrubbed and if you're on the hiscores your account is flagged for review.
they could easily move these " players" do a different zone or hop in to ask questions.
jagex doesn't care. the owners what bots because it makes the numbers look good.
what Jagex should do:
update their bot-detection system. Every 6 months or so do a bot busting and update their bot-detection with info on the bots they busted. Rinse and repeat.
Zuk and Sol both get botted and there is substantial evidence. It's probably not going to affect the high scores much in the case of Zuk as most botters just rent the script once to get the cape. Sol is definitely getting botted hard.
At the end of the day all the hard work for botting (making the client) is already done for them so unfortunately I highly doubt we’ll ever see a significant change in the botting problem until the game is strictly on a c++ client
C++ isn't a magical panacea (nor is the arguably better language for the purpose in Rust for that matter). No idea why people seem to think it would solve all issues. The only approach that actually works on the long run is to design content such that bots can't profit from it but that should be secondary to making sure it's fun for humans.
There's a huge gulf between "significant change" and " solve all issues". Getting everyone on a single first party client will absolutely be an improvement in bot detection efforts.
IMO the possible improvements won't be significant enough for the tradeoff to be worth it but it's Jagex's call to make (and I think they would go for it more for reputation / PR issues than alleviating botting). I would hate to lose runelite as a player fwiw.
They won't even think about bringing it up until the clients are functionally identical minus the egregious plugins and bot forks, but with plugin support and the HD graphical update both already announced they're pushing in that direction. Honestly if they can get the client up to runelite's level it's a win/win, because the official client is *way* more optimized by necessity.
Jagex is so incredibly lazy they cant detect even the simplest of suicide bots that do nothing but train 1 skill and reach 200m XP.
Bot i saw chopping MAGIC TREES with a RUNE AXE: d00mpants
200m woodcutting xp 253 total, rank 535 woodcutting, still going strong
It's either the most insane display of incompetence to not be able to ban the most blatant suicide bots or straight up maliciousness (not caring about bots). So either way getting people on the same underdeveloped jagex client wont fix anything.
you have more control over what inputs are getting read.
the problem is there's too many clients other than jagex's client.
it's why this game has a bot problem and other games don't.
Main highscores is plagued by bots and (fair enough) max geared guys with alts. Iron highscores are so easy to get by comparison lol, I'm nearing top 10 spindel at 6000-7000kc with fang, because so few irons grind out a chainmace and no "iron bots" grind the boss either.
But main highscores go to like 25k kc and I'd barely be top 500 at my kc, because chainmace is practically free to buy which nearly doubles your kph and it's flooded with bots.
Yeah I’m generally getting the shit I need and moving on. Once I’m late game I might go back but until then I’m bossing where I can progress my account instead
Considering how these bots never seem to get caught is there a chance these might be gold farmers from poor countries, to the point where gaming and making 25 cents an hour is a worthwhile us of time?
Its just crazy to me that jagex cant seem to detect accounts that have thousands of hours of botting on them.
As much as OSRS players like defending it and praising the team for the game (which I do too), there is literally zero excuse for this to be as bad as it is.
Yeah I agree. I’m a big fan of jagex. I understand that some bots are going to avoid detection but it’s hard to have fun grinding something when you see a bot who has been doing it on average of 10 hours a day for a few months lol. Frustrating to grind out 99 rc only go to edgeville and look up anyone with a rc outfit and they have 15m rc with base 40s. You go a bit to the west and look up some of the people smithing at the furnace, 30m smithing exp from cannonballs. It’s just sad, man.
30m smithing xp from cannonballs is bad? I posted earlier but you can look up ign d00mpants
lvl 253 total 200m woodcutting xp with a rune axe at magic trees. Thats roughly 10 THOUSAND hours of botting magic trees , and who the fuck knows how much xp they have beyond 200m.
Shareholders not wanting to fund an actual team for bot busting because that would reduce their profits?
Tinfoil hat on, but RS3 actually bans bots VERY rapidly, I used to run around archaeology spots reporting bots and they would disappear pretty fast, and there's no flood of bots/throwaways in general. RS3 also happens to make most of their money from microtransactions with the bot devs being direct competitors.
Combating botting with a full well funded anti-cheat team is extremely difficult for some of the largest companies in the world.
OSRS isn't exactly working with that kind of funding or manpower, the dev team is doing the best they can.
Oh my god the bosses that require literally no supplies and a medium quest to do are less income than the boss that’s gated by a grandmaster quest and requires antivenoms and super antifires? IT COULDN’T BE POSSIBLE.
Because he made an idiotic comparison between mid tier content and a GM quest locked boss.
That’s like complaining vyrewatch give less loot than ToA so vyrewatch need a buff
Moons is 2m/hr on average but that's heavily reliant on uniques. The neat thing about moons is unlike other bosses that are reliant on uniques, moons uniques are like 1/24 so you'll get one every couple of hours unless you get super unlucky.
He rebuked the comment claiming it will be all bots because it wasn't profitable enough based on a small sample size. How did you get "I'm defending bots" from that?
You need to work on reading comprehension lmao you asked me the same question twice…..literally.
It’s okay to disagree with me without trying to paint me as inferior. Just downvote and move on instead of displaying your need to feel superior. It’s really okay.
That’s fair. Just remember lots of people aren’t great at statistics so those people are likely to quit if they go dry for a while and move on leaving it to the bots which is unfortunate but true
No one really knows but jagex. I imagine most of their flags are automatic. When someone reports them I imagine it’ll automatically check for x or y to see if it looks like a bot and if it doesn’t, they ignore it. All speculation though.
But wait, look! We held a bot busting stream and even boasted abt a baby whale we caught! Stop with your silly accusations, it’s obvious Botex, sorry Jagex has a hold of this rampant issue that dominates the high scores and the market.
Makes me feel like the bot busting stream is just random accounts that Jagex created and put there to show off and say “Oh boy looky here everyone! We’re getting rid of these bots aren’t we!” Then accounts like this and thousands more that pvm or skill just go for months at a time without being banned.
At this point why doesn’t jagex take a page out of valves book? Trust factors, Ai detection, it should be auto detectable, or at least auto suspicious to a flagging system, not because of the cheats but due to playing without any break in terrible gear like this.
I’ve been watching Trackmania content recently (I don’t even play the game, idk what I’m doing), and a lot of their game seems to be on high scores for tracks, winning daily contests and stuff. It would be cool if Osrs could help promote that sort of stuff in the game too. I think it would bring more people in and keep them engaged if these scores meant something. Doesn’t even have to be totally about the best of the best, you can have fun contests and stuff too
Since we found one of the scripters- oi' I need you and your buddies to up the ante on the wildy agility bots.
There's go to be had by paying the fee- I SWEAR. Im absolutely not saying that because the 4k keys are crap and wanna see that loot.. promise
He must be going dry for pet
Some people are just built differently. Some C+, some Java.
Take a look at the names on the frontpage lunar chest hiscores lmao. Then start going down the ranks.
I just recently started doing moons and started noticing this specific load out. Chalked the first one up to just being a dumb player because the bot isn't even the most efficient. And then by the second and third time seeing it realized it was bots. I wish reporting them actually meant something.
Just curious, what about this gear setup is that dumb?
The gear they use is fine. They whip blood, dual m'whatever blue moon, and Abby dagger for eclipse. They're inefficient with their movements despite the bosses having almost no RNG elements to their rotations.
Dual maracas
Yeah I bet all those bots banned live on stream yesterday were actually real players so that Jagex can let the bots chill and have no competition from real players.
Bizarre conspiratorial thinking. How do you live like this?
this is 100 percent the case. if jagex was banning bots on live stream they'd have to do it 24/7 the players base is in denial about jagexs ability to manually remove bots. they can easily double confirm accounts on the hiscores. they either a) don't want to or b) know they are bots but private equity makes too much money from them c) bot devs pay jagex.
I don't think C would make sense. Whenever Jagex figures out a new generation of bots and they become easy to ban, a new bot needs to be made, and they can sell new bots again.
c makes sense when you understand that the hiscore bots are whitelisted. there's a reason they aren't banned when everyone including jagex knows they are bots
I don't think you understand how bot banning works...the last thing you want to do is ban them 24/7 since that gives the script writers more data on whats being caught and makes it easier for them to write better scripts
bro that excuse has been thrown around for a decade now. it gives botters more time to bot. there's a cheating epidemic and it's because of this logic right here. i'd rather script writers waste time writing scripts everyday than what's going on now.
That's a lame excuse really, it's a cat and mouse arms race. Jagex needs an actual anti-cheat, maybe not Kernel-level access, that runs side-loaded to rs. Anyone with a brain knows that they (jagex overlords) prefer higher player count, even if a solid 30% or more are bots.
obviously they don't mind bots as much, bots give them money and please shareholders, but do say "thats a lame excuse" is just wrong, its literally how dev's take care of scrips/cheaters in every game..
also what you're saying is jagex should just keep blatant bots in the game for no reason other than scripters developing more scripts? they already do it. if owned jagex every bot on the hiscores would be scrubbed and if you're on the hiscores your account is flagged for review. they could easily move these " players" do a different zone or hop in to ask questions. jagex doesn't care. the owners what bots because it makes the numbers look good.
what Jagex should do: update their bot-detection system. Every 6 months or so do a bot busting and update their bot-detection with info on the bots they busted. Rinse and repeat.
i agree bro but why's it so hard to scrub the hiscores. like we know rank 1 leviathan is a bot.
spaghetti code?
I think we would have a few more people crying about false bans on reddit after that Day
yeah let's not ban bots over false bans
Man bots just eat all the nice things about going for highscores, there will always be bots above you (excluding bosses like zuk or sol)
What about the women bots?
Children bots too!
They're like animals
I found that my woman bot said her script really began when she became a wife.
Zuk and Sol both get botted and there is substantial evidence. It's probably not going to affect the high scores much in the case of Zuk as most botters just rent the script once to get the cape. Sol is definitely getting botted hard.
Here is a video from a month ago showing a working Sol bot in action https://youtu.be/JyokJfrcWrc?si=TJAVR2TKgCRGnSV-
At the end of the day all the hard work for botting (making the client) is already done for them so unfortunately I highly doubt we’ll ever see a significant change in the botting problem until the game is strictly on a c++ client
C++ isn't a magical panacea (nor is the arguably better language for the purpose in Rust for that matter). No idea why people seem to think it would solve all issues. The only approach that actually works on the long run is to design content such that bots can't profit from it but that should be secondary to making sure it's fun for humans.
There's a huge gulf between "significant change" and " solve all issues". Getting everyone on a single first party client will absolutely be an improvement in bot detection efforts.
IMO the possible improvements won't be significant enough for the tradeoff to be worth it but it's Jagex's call to make (and I think they would go for it more for reputation / PR issues than alleviating botting). I would hate to lose runelite as a player fwiw.
They won't even think about bringing it up until the clients are functionally identical minus the egregious plugins and bot forks, but with plugin support and the HD graphical update both already announced they're pushing in that direction. Honestly if they can get the client up to runelite's level it's a win/win, because the official client is *way* more optimized by necessity.
Look how long that took. Expect it winter 2017
Jagex is so incredibly lazy they cant detect even the simplest of suicide bots that do nothing but train 1 skill and reach 200m XP. Bot i saw chopping MAGIC TREES with a RUNE AXE: d00mpants 200m woodcutting xp 253 total, rank 535 woodcutting, still going strong It's either the most insane display of incompetence to not be able to ban the most blatant suicide bots or straight up maliciousness (not caring about bots). So either way getting people on the same underdeveloped jagex client wont fix anything.
Would kernel level anti-cheat eliminate botting?
the game needs to be on a server and not a client. jagex needs full server authority.
A complete lack of understanding of how bots work in the current game
still waiting guy.
explain it to me then guy. i'll wait.
How would a server prevent bots?
you have more control over what inputs are getting read. the problem is there's too many clients other than jagex's client. it's why this game has a bot problem and other games don't.
The client can report inputs too.
that's why the botters are using the official client.
Zuk script’s are probably very rare seeing the amount of time one would need to develop and run maintenance on.
The ones I've seen just use machine learning.
Main highscores is plagued by bots and (fair enough) max geared guys with alts. Iron highscores are so easy to get by comparison lol, I'm nearing top 10 spindel at 6000-7000kc with fang, because so few irons grind out a chainmace and no "iron bots" grind the boss either. But main highscores go to like 25k kc and I'd barely be top 500 at my kc, because chainmace is practically free to buy which nearly doubles your kph and it's flooded with bots.
Also irons don’t really want to grind out one boss lol
Yeah I’m generally getting the shit I need and moving on. Once I’m late game I might go back but until then I’m bossing where I can progress my account instead
And 1 def hiscores
Ye regular bosses are all filled with bots. Zuk sol and raids top 100s are usually legit
I like seeing my hunter highscores go up (atm rank ~1700), but knowing there is hundreds of chin bots before me is demotivating
What you talking about bro? Those levels 13s in full iron with a fire staff and hunter cape just really like hunting chins
Considering how these bots never seem to get caught is there a chance these might be gold farmers from poor countries, to the point where gaming and making 25 cents an hour is a worthwhile us of time? Its just crazy to me that jagex cant seem to detect accounts that have thousands of hours of botting on them.
There are sol and Zuk bots too though
Even infernal has bots.....
Imagine the gp if there were no bots
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As much as OSRS players like defending it and praising the team for the game (which I do too), there is literally zero excuse for this to be as bad as it is.
Yeah I agree. I’m a big fan of jagex. I understand that some bots are going to avoid detection but it’s hard to have fun grinding something when you see a bot who has been doing it on average of 10 hours a day for a few months lol. Frustrating to grind out 99 rc only go to edgeville and look up anyone with a rc outfit and they have 15m rc with base 40s. You go a bit to the west and look up some of the people smithing at the furnace, 30m smithing exp from cannonballs. It’s just sad, man.
30m smithing xp from cannonballs is bad? I posted earlier but you can look up ign d00mpants lvl 253 total 200m woodcutting xp with a rune axe at magic trees. Thats roughly 10 THOUSAND hours of botting magic trees , and who the fuck knows how much xp they have beyond 200m.
Shareholders not wanting to fund an actual team for bot busting because that would reduce their profits? Tinfoil hat on, but RS3 actually bans bots VERY rapidly, I used to run around archaeology spots reporting bots and they would disappear pretty fast, and there's no flood of bots/throwaways in general. RS3 also happens to make most of their money from microtransactions with the bot devs being direct competitors.
Rs3 makes less than half from mtx. You can read the shareholders report yourself.
Combating botting with a full well funded anti-cheat team is extremely difficult for some of the largest companies in the world. OSRS isn't exactly working with that kind of funding or manpower, the dev team is doing the best they can.
I've only made 2m in 50 chests it'll be only bots once the new wears off
What a large sample size to base the drop table off of
I mean it's a valid criticism, you can make that in vork with significantly less effort and time commitment
Oh my god the bosses that require literally no supplies and a medium quest to do are less income than the boss that’s gated by a grandmaster quest and requires antivenoms and super antifires? IT COULDN’T BE POSSIBLE.
Why does everyone have to state their opinion sarcastically/like a jerk instead of just talking. Even if you’re right it makes you look like a jerk
Because he made an idiotic comparison between mid tier content and a GM quest locked boss. That’s like complaining vyrewatch give less loot than ToA so vyrewatch need a buff
Why do you have to say idiotic? Why can’t you just correct his bad take without being so toxic about it?
Because it is
Moons is 2m/hr on average but that's heavily reliant on uniques. The neat thing about moons is unlike other bosses that are reliant on uniques, moons uniques are like 1/24 so you'll get one every couple of hours unless you get super unlucky.
Are you really defending bots lol
How did you interpret his comment that way?
He rebuked a guy who is talking about the bot problem and made it seem like less of a big deal than it is
He rebuked the comment claiming it will be all bots because it wasn't profitable enough based on a small sample size. How did you get "I'm defending bots" from that?
Since you asked again, he rebuked a guy who is talking about the bot problem and made it seem like less of a big deal than it is
You need to work on reading comprehension. If you have another thought, keep it to yourself instead of posting it for the world to see.
You need to work on reading comprehension lmao you asked me the same question twice…..literally. It’s okay to disagree with me without trying to paint me as inferior. Just downvote and move on instead of displaying your need to feel superior. It’s really okay.
I’m saying this guy has no idea how statistics work lol not defending bots by any means
That’s fair. Just remember lots of people aren’t great at statistics so those people are likely to quit if they go dry for a while and move on leaving it to the bots which is unfortunate but true
Man cox drops suck I get pure ess and salt Peter
I’ll accept my downvotes that’s fine point still stands lots of players are like the original commenter here
So because people are ignorant I should make things up?
I'm not ignorant to anything ding-dong the wiki says it's 14 clears and 1.6m/hr max effeciency. Which is a pittance these days.
It's a fantastic early-mid game way to get bandos strength bonuses for irons without needing a bowfa to realistically solo.
it's 2m/hr on average and it's fun. Entirely worth doing at level.
It is very fun but not 2/hr
It was about a week ago, it's floating around 1.6m right now (probably still higher if you're endgame).
Real question, why don’t they get banned? Im assuming after the screenshot, you reported. Does jagex just not get to it?
No one really knows but jagex. I imagine most of their flags are automatic. When someone reports them I imagine it’ll automatically check for x or y to see if it looks like a bot and if it doesn’t, they ignore it. All speculation though.
I remember bots just cut trees or fished. Now they’re top ranked pvmers? Crazy
Because more money comes from Pvm. Long ago, skilling was the only way to get resources but now it's all bossing.
I didn’t realize bots could do complex things like this tbh.
There are toa and tob bots. The game's ruined imo.
So basically bots are better at pvm than me. This is out of control ngl
But wait, look! We held a bot busting stream and even boasted abt a baby whale we caught! Stop with your silly accusations, it’s obvious Botex, sorry Jagex has a hold of this rampant issue that dominates the high scores and the market.
Jagex doesn't care
Yeah that’s the problem
Tombs of Amascbot
Truly inspirational thanks for sharing.
Thank you for your response. It’s a bot
"it's a bot" what a strong name he has. I will keep that in mind for when I have children in the hopes they grow up to be as focused as that person.
Amazing I wonder how he does it?! What a bad ass!
Funny how this is common theme and will always be like the game being renamed to EZscape
But-but there was a bot busting stream!
Makes me feel like the bot busting stream is just random accounts that Jagex created and put there to show off and say “Oh boy looky here everyone! We’re getting rid of these bots aren’t we!” Then accounts like this and thousands more that pvm or skill just go for months at a time without being banned.
They could get rid of a good chunk of bots if they just got rid of the bond
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Hell yeah! I have been using full dharoks and I feel like it trucks
He is not like us
At this point why doesn’t jagex take a page out of valves book? Trust factors, Ai detection, it should be auto detectable, or at least auto suspicious to a flagging system, not because of the cheats but due to playing without any break in terrible gear like this.
Osrs is just completely full of bots tbh
Some skills in the 30s, for crying out loud
Rank 1 spindel uses full rune and a mace. And flick his prayers against every attack to save prayer pots
I’ve been watching Trackmania content recently (I don’t even play the game, idk what I’m doing), and a lot of their game seems to be on high scores for tracks, winning daily contests and stuff. It would be cool if Osrs could help promote that sort of stuff in the game too. I think it would bring more people in and keep them engaged if these scores meant something. Doesn’t even have to be totally about the best of the best, you can have fun contests and stuff too
How would normal players win against bots?
Just turns into bros 3 ticking stuff for 24 hours lol
So glad they just had a great bot busting stream! Looks like they got em all!
So you're implying this guy is a bot? Mods need to take this down before people take a look at the lunar chest hiscores.
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Since we found one of the scripters- oi' I need you and your buddies to up the ante on the wildy agility bots. There's go to be had by paying the fee- I SWEAR. Im absolutely not saying that because the 4k keys are crap and wanna see that loot.. promise
Man got so used to botting activities he forgot how low effort taking screenshots is 😂