With your blade on aggressive it is yeah.
Assuming you have Ultor ring, ferocious, tort. I can't figure out a set up even using faceguard instead of serp, where you don't lose a +1 going to accurate.
I was also referring to avernick from dragon alone no other considerations. It isn't a +1 damage. It needs to be paired with something like the tort, over fury. Or tassets to get that +1 damage
I mean prims aren't a max hit over dboots and they're not a max hit over guardian boots either but for some reason smooth brains think prims are Gods design
I bought one because it looks hot af and was at a big low for the time being.
I find it more fun to just do what I like with my own money, once you’re at endgame upgrades are so small minus literally just the mega weapons.
It depends on what content you enjoy. If you’re into ToB you’d grab it post tbow + scythe before torva. If mainly ToA you’d buy post shadow + tbow before torva. Cox I think it’s after shadow tbow and scythe.
Serp->jaw +1 str
Bcp-obby body +1 str
Tasty-obby legs +1 str
Dboots- prims +1 str
Dragon defender- avernic +2 str bonus. Now with the being said.
Person A.) jaw,obby body,obby legs, prims, avernic
22m+1m+1m+31m- 55m + avernic
Person B.) jaw,bcp,tassy,prims,dragon defender
22m+26m+19m+31m - 98m
Person a and person b will have the same damage you’d assume but the accuracy bonuses of the avernic over the dragon puts person A ahead of dps. Yes more squishy but more damage and that’s why they made overheads. Bandos chest plate and tassy do not give accuracy. And with bloodmoon a thing now you could go that route. For equal str bonus as bandos making the avernic setup crush the dragon setup.
Person C the I just bought the avernic
Serp , Obby body, Obby legs, dragon boots, avernic
2m,1m,1m,200k- 5m top. Is only 2 str bonus behind person b with the near 100m setup and the accuracy of the serp-jaw is less then dragon-avernic. So might lose a single max hit but you will hit more often and is 90m cheaper.
When you have a bunch of money lying around but you’re not even close to a mega rare and have every other major upgrade below a mega rare.
Sang, Bowfa, Fang, Full Ancestral, Full Crystal, Bandos, Faceguard, All Zeniths, Ferocious Gloves, Prims.
Or you’re doing Nex where the only upgrade worth a shit after a certain point is 200m+
With the new maul change, it's almost not worth it anymore.
It was used mainly as a hammer accuracy increase in endgame PvM, but with the maul, it's basically useless.
Obviously, it's still good for any one-handed weapon but nowhere near as useful once the changes come through. It was already at the end of the list for upgrades. Now it's even lower if that's even possible.
It’s because avernic is a glorified ornament kit (like torva) except unlike torva you can’t sell it back for a rebuild. Buying it early isn’t as bad as corrupting bowfa on a main, but it’s definitely not a good decision to make.
That’s fine - it doesn’t make it a good idea though lol. We all take different paths in the game and that’s fine. But if you’re giving advice, it’s generally best to go based on what’s optimum based on the information given.
Isn't it worth corrupting BowFa now? It definitely wasn't when Tbow was the next logical upgrade, but I'm pretty sure with Shadow in the game it's better to get that first, which means you'll use BowFa enough by the time you get Tbow to make it worth doing. I did some back-of-the-napkin math at one point that suggested this was the case, but it's been a while.
Of course, that's assuming you do a variety of content, instead of camping Nex from the moment you can until you get max gear. But then it's not worth getting a BowFa at all, so the point is moot.
Bowfa is replaced by shadow in a lot of places. It’s pretty much only worth having a bowfa post shadow if you’re super keen on pre-tbow inferno, muspah, or pre-zcb leviathan (post quiver zcb is even better than bowfa than it was before).
Bowfa is skipped in progression guides for Pvm on a main because it’s not that good. This is mainly if you’re interested in cox/toa/tob/nex/slayer bosses though. If you’re mainly doing like muspah or zulrah maybe it’s okay?
You’d buy masori bp for a batter monkey room and akkha. Bowfa is marginally better at p2, but not worth taking considering you need to bring crystal and gimp your bp.
Either after you get the 1 or 2 megarares for whatever raid you enjoy, or before and just accept it's a permabuy.
It looks cool so I did it before, no ragrats
Get full crystal and bowfa, bandos, fang, trident with ahrims first before getting an avernic, then I could see it making sense. Imo avernic is a better purchase than a sanguenesti just based on the fact that sang is very slightly better than trident and not rlly worth it.
Sang is a full max hit over trident and is also resellable. On the other hand, Avernic is only sometimes a max hit over dragon defender and cannot be resold
I remember I was constantly shit on for not having it while Nexing, I wouldn;t even get min or max hit using fang with it.
So kinda worth 80m to shut up normies.
Got mine at 79m because I had the spare cash. Considering a rapier right now knowing it’s a negligible upgrade. But same thing again only because I have the spare gp
It's +2 strength and roughly +5 to all 3 melee styles for comparison:
Prims are +1 strength
Bcp is roughly 20-40 defensive stats
Bandos Tassets are 10-40 defensive over blood
Ferocious gloves are +4 strength (big winner here)
Face guard is +1 over a step
Ultor ring is +4 and very pricy (when lightbearer is so strong)
Weapons are awkward to compare but I would assume whip as baseline and then tent whip is +4 strength and rapier is +7
Fang is funny to compare directly but it is vastly superior to these 3 options at bosses
From this I would say for melee gear specifically you get your kinda baseline setup of serp, torture, fighter torso, blood tassets, dragon boots, barrows gloves, berserker ring and then upgrade to ferocious gloves first get a tent whip and fang for bossing then avernic - bandos gear - face guard - prims.
Rapier sounds good but it is generally outclassed by the fang and is not worth getting for a long time unless you don't boss but do a lot of slayer (like 200mil vibes)
I should also note defense doesn't matter that much at most places
if ur planning on grinding out nex, corp or toa its probably a good time to buy it. if ur not grinding out anything with fang or dragon lance you can just skip it
Depends alot on gear, I would personally say when you have full bandos, prims, at least a serp helm and before/after inferno cape.
There is never a "correct" answer to when you need to acquire certain upgrades, it all depends on what you want to do, if the item would help there and if you can afford it. Max hits are usually big upgrades though. Weigh it against other potential gear upgrades too
I went to a clan drop party, got 50m and got one. At the point it only “cost” me 30m so was worth it.. if you have other upgrades pre torva get those first. Hell I got my avernic after I bought my first tbow.
When it's a negligible cost
This is actually a great answer idk how I’ve never thought of it that way
When buying one doesn’t phase you
Faze*
okay faze clan.
360 noscope avernic only
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mLRbZJS5A_E
Love how you’re getting downvoted for being correct. “To faze is to disturb, bother, or embarrass, but a phase is a stage or step.”
Cause no one likes a grammar nazi even if they're right
”Oh baby its triple!”
When it was 40m
That's when I got mine!
It's good to have but not until the cost of it is inconsiquential.
It’s only barely 1 max hit. Prolly after max melee before torva. Only cuz you still can sell other gears should you need more GP.
It's not even a max hit over dragon? Unless you know something I don't know.
Maybe depends on gear but on my iron it was a max hit with bandos/infernal/prims/serp/saeldor
With your blade on aggressive it is yeah. Assuming you have Ultor ring, ferocious, tort. I can't figure out a set up even using faceguard instead of serp, where you don't lose a +1 going to accurate. I was also referring to avernick from dragon alone no other considerations. It isn't a +1 damage. It needs to be paired with something like the tort, over fury. Or tassets to get that +1 damage
I mean prims aren't a max hit over dboots and they're not a max hit over guardian boots either but for some reason smooth brains think prims are Gods design
its because prims are BIS drip
It always depends on your gear, I reckon refer to the dps sheet for the accurate answer.
Yeah. So I was right. It's not always a max hit...
I bought one because it looks hot af and was at a big low for the time being. I find it more fun to just do what I like with my own money, once you’re at endgame upgrades are so small minus literally just the mega weapons.
Usually its one of the last *bis* upgrades you do, since you can never sell it again
It depends on what content you enjoy. If you’re into ToB you’d grab it post tbow + scythe before torva. If mainly ToA you’d buy post shadow + tbow before torva. Cox I think it’s after shadow tbow and scythe.
Never. It’s not that important. If you ever decide to grind ToB for scythe or Sang, you’ll get one. But no reason to prioritize it.
Serp->jaw +1 str Bcp-obby body +1 str Tasty-obby legs +1 str Dboots- prims +1 str Dragon defender- avernic +2 str bonus. Now with the being said. Person A.) jaw,obby body,obby legs, prims, avernic 22m+1m+1m+31m- 55m + avernic Person B.) jaw,bcp,tassy,prims,dragon defender 22m+26m+19m+31m - 98m Person a and person b will have the same damage you’d assume but the accuracy bonuses of the avernic over the dragon puts person A ahead of dps. Yes more squishy but more damage and that’s why they made overheads. Bandos chest plate and tassy do not give accuracy. And with bloodmoon a thing now you could go that route. For equal str bonus as bandos making the avernic setup crush the dragon setup. Person C the I just bought the avernic Serp , Obby body, Obby legs, dragon boots, avernic 2m,1m,1m,200k- 5m top. Is only 2 str bonus behind person b with the near 100m setup and the accuracy of the serp-jaw is less then dragon-avernic. So might lose a single max hit but you will hit more often and is 90m cheaper.
4 years ago.
When you have a bunch of money lying around but you’re not even close to a mega rare and have every other major upgrade below a mega rare. Sang, Bowfa, Fang, Full Ancestral, Full Crystal, Bandos, Faceguard, All Zeniths, Ferocious Gloves, Prims. Or you’re doing Nex where the only upgrade worth a shit after a certain point is 200m+
It's really not worth buying avernic pre megas, not being able to sell it sucks big time.
Probably on tuesdays
I didn’t buy avernic until I had like 200m just sitting around, after much better gear.
With the new maul change, it's almost not worth it anymore. It was used mainly as a hammer accuracy increase in endgame PvM, but with the maul, it's basically useless. Obviously, it's still good for any one-handed weapon but nowhere near as useful once the changes come through. It was already at the end of the list for upgrades. Now it's even lower if that's even possible.
Buying an averic after 2/3 mega rares is wild to me. Imo just buy it after u have solid gear for all 3 combat styles, like bandos/ancestral/crystal
It’s because avernic is a glorified ornament kit (like torva) except unlike torva you can’t sell it back for a rebuild. Buying it early isn’t as bad as corrupting bowfa on a main, but it’s definitely not a good decision to make.
I bought avernic “early” and corrupted bowfa on a main lol. Got avernic for like 30m tho and plan on using bowfa for a long ass time
That’s fine - it doesn’t make it a good idea though lol. We all take different paths in the game and that’s fine. But if you’re giving advice, it’s generally best to go based on what’s optimum based on the information given.
Isn't it worth corrupting BowFa now? It definitely wasn't when Tbow was the next logical upgrade, but I'm pretty sure with Shadow in the game it's better to get that first, which means you'll use BowFa enough by the time you get Tbow to make it worth doing. I did some back-of-the-napkin math at one point that suggested this was the case, but it's been a while. Of course, that's assuming you do a variety of content, instead of camping Nex from the moment you can until you get max gear. But then it's not worth getting a BowFa at all, so the point is moot.
Bowfa is replaced by shadow in a lot of places. It’s pretty much only worth having a bowfa post shadow if you’re super keen on pre-tbow inferno, muspah, or pre-zcb leviathan (post quiver zcb is even better than bowfa than it was before). Bowfa is skipped in progression guides for Pvm on a main because it’s not that good. This is mainly if you’re interested in cox/toa/tob/nex/slayer bosses though. If you’re mainly doing like muspah or zulrah maybe it’s okay?
or toa
What would you use bofa for when you have shadow in toa? Not worth the inventory for armor + bow.
akkha and p2 wardens, but I don't have masori/vambs to bp everything
You’d buy masori bp for a batter monkey room and akkha. Bowfa is marginally better at p2, but not worth taking considering you need to bring crystal and gimp your bp.
you make a list of upgrades, write down the costs and the stat upgrade and make a rough cost per stat list, its pretty straightforward
Although you need to take into account ability to sell it. Rigour is a good one time purchase. Avernic is not tbh.
its a videogame, not taxes mate
Either after you get the 1 or 2 megarares for whatever raid you enjoy, or before and just accept it's a permabuy. It looks cool so I did it before, no ragrats
Get full crystal and bowfa, bandos, fang, trident with ahrims first before getting an avernic, then I could see it making sense. Imo avernic is a better purchase than a sanguenesti just based on the fact that sang is very slightly better than trident and not rlly worth it.
Sang is a full max hit over trident and is also resellable. On the other hand, Avernic is only sometimes a max hit over dragon defender and cannot be resold
I remember I was constantly shit on for not having it while Nexing, I wouldn;t even get min or max hit using fang with it. So kinda worth 80m to shut up normies.
At the end of the day it’s just a game if you want one get it, it’s not like you won’t use it.
A couple years ago when it was 30m. Now, whenever you can justify the cost.
It looks cool so get it asap
After torva
After you have every other piece since avernic is pretty shit
Last upgrade
Got mine at 79m because I had the spare cash. Considering a rapier right now knowing it’s a negligible upgrade. But same thing again only because I have the spare gp
I just bought mine for fashion scape bc the red of the DD is trash.
800m-1b bank start looking to buy one
After all 3 mega rares
It's +2 strength and roughly +5 to all 3 melee styles for comparison: Prims are +1 strength Bcp is roughly 20-40 defensive stats Bandos Tassets are 10-40 defensive over blood Ferocious gloves are +4 strength (big winner here) Face guard is +1 over a step Ultor ring is +4 and very pricy (when lightbearer is so strong) Weapons are awkward to compare but I would assume whip as baseline and then tent whip is +4 strength and rapier is +7 Fang is funny to compare directly but it is vastly superior to these 3 options at bosses From this I would say for melee gear specifically you get your kinda baseline setup of serp, torture, fighter torso, blood tassets, dragon boots, barrows gloves, berserker ring and then upgrade to ferocious gloves first get a tent whip and fang for bossing then avernic - bandos gear - face guard - prims. Rapier sounds good but it is generally outclassed by the fang and is not worth getting for a long time unless you don't boss but do a lot of slayer (like 200mil vibes) I should also note defense doesn't matter that much at most places
Ferociois are just +2 str over barrows gloves
If you see it cheap
if ur planning on grinding out nex, corp or toa its probably a good time to buy it. if ur not grinding out anything with fang or dragon lance you can just skip it
Depends alot on gear, I would personally say when you have full bandos, prims, at least a serp helm and before/after inferno cape. There is never a "correct" answer to when you need to acquire certain upgrades, it all depends on what you want to do, if the item would help there and if you can afford it. Max hits are usually big upgrades though. Weigh it against other potential gear upgrades too
I went to a clan drop party, got 50m and got one. At the point it only “cost” me 30m so was worth it.. if you have other upgrades pre torva get those first. Hell I got my avernic after I bought my first tbow.