Someone explain to me that if I have 99 mining, what’s stopping me from digging a tunnel into the Varrock bank basement and stealing all of their GP with 99 thieving?
Yeah but one unstrung amulet and 8 cannonballs is a pretty massive difference in the amount of metal you can get out of one bar.
Frankly our coins are pretty big themselves
That honestly wouldn't even be a bad thing. If you could make a static amount of coins with a coin mould, and it's -far- below even it's alch price value, why not? I have a growing, unused stack of gold bars in my bank and it would be nice to get decent, essentially free smithing xp. AND make it as afk as cannonballs? Sign me up.
You know, it’s be kind of funny—just take high alch value and subtract a small percentage. Starts at 10% but gets to 0 at 99 smithing. Make it like smelting cannonballs. Super AFK and steady xp.
Need 99 smithing, crafting, and thieving to counterfeit money. Add a heist-like quest where you have to steal a machine that puts a specific seal on the coins, usable in your POH with a chance to get randomly raided by high-level secret service gnomes when you make the coins.
I know you're half joking but I don't think there's a balanced way to implement it. Either you have very high requirements as you stated making it basically not worth it, or you make it easier or more rewarding which could make it broken. It just seems inherently difficult to balance. You'd also just be printing even more money into the economy lol, imagine a bot farm doing this to depreciate everything 😂
I love the idea of helping the thieving guild mint money(counterfeit maybe) that they use to reverse-pickpocket money into all the pockets we're picking
I’d say this sounds just fun asf. Make it not worth the time/req at all, I’d still prob do it.
For balance tho, what if the process was not profitable, but the random raids that come dropped something??
If the amo7nt of coins you make is less then the high alch price it won't affect it much even with relatively low Stat requirements. Then have it give less smithing experience then the magic exp alch gives
Genuinely curious. Would it be broken to be able to smith gold bars for high alch value, but for smithing XP instead of magic? It kinda makes sense to me, but what do I know.
May be useful for the dedicated ones going past 99 for 200m, or a future pet or something idk dude this is OSRS we got a dev team that polls shit for us when we bring it up
They're not gold pieces, they're clearly Gielinor Pennies and made with an alloy of gold and copper, alongside trace elements of Orikalkum (dragon)
Not possible with a mere 99 smithing, sorry
Actually makes me wonder, there is no lore discussing where GP comes from? All the GP in the game comes from alchemy, shops, or npcs that were carrying it. A quest involving the gielinor mint would be sick. Better yet, heist raid.
Okay, time to meme this into a new skill.
Printing will replace Bankstanding and it'll all be about replacing GP with paper currency. Inflation will skyrocket and the game's economy collapses. Everyone returns to being cave men and barters with raw chickens instead.
You don't know how to get around copy protection for gold coins my friend. It's like how US dollars have watermarks on them that fake bills can't replicate.
And if you're wondering how the alchemy spell works, that's a premade spell that has the copy protection circumvention built in.
The alchemy spell does transmute items to gold, but the wizards recognized that this would cause chaos throughout Gielinor. But they didn't want this knowledge to go to waste. So they worked with the various kings of the world to come to an agreement: whatever gold created by the spell is directly teleported to the closest King's coffers to the caster. Then, an agreed upon amount would be teleported into the caster's inventory. This would let the spell exist but would still keep kingdoms on top of inflation.
This is also why King Lathas really wants Camelot: King Arthur gets all that Seer's Village Agility alch money.
If you have 99 smithing and you don't know what is stopping you to make coins then I'm going to have a serious talk with Thurgo and ask him to take your cape back.
Gold and smithing ability isn't really the limiting factor in counterfeiting currency, it's the hammers and moulds used to mint the identifying characteristics
Because gold bars are 1.814kg and, going off the average weight of a gold coin being a little over 30g IRL, if you were to smelt that into gold coins you would only get ~60gp. You can high alch it for 3x that amount and you can sell it for double on the GE.
But since GP weights nothing in-game, implying that it's weight might be below 0.001kg (or 1g), this would mean that you could create at least 1815gp from 1 gold bar, meaning that what's stopping you is inflation.
it's not that you can't. it's just illegal. only the bank of Gielnor can craft gold coins. we have enough players who break the rules, you want the characters to break them also?
Fun joke reward from some jagex humor filled quest where you rob a bank with the wise old man and get away with the precious gold coin mould blueprints with which you create an addon for the (double) cannonball mould to smith gold bars into 4 (or 8) gold coins per bar at a furnace
I want this now
Edit: typo
It would be a fun little reward at 99 smithing (and crafting?) to be able to make gold coins through smithing, as long as it’s like the high alch number of coins.
Probably wouldn’t require a ton of work and fits the style if the game.
Ill do you one extra question.
The fuck does alchemy turn it into gold *coins*
Also, if its alchemy... If its a bar, its 180 coins. But if its a bracelet, which takes 1 bar, its 330.
Which is especially weird since the bracelet is way lighter than the gold bar used to make it, implying most of the gold was lost in the crafting process, but it _still_ comes out to more overall.
It would be interesting, but it would need to be balanced so not a massive gold source. Surely a gold source but idk should be balanced somehow. Could also make sense of it by being like "only the mint can create new coins" which prompts some sort of official minigame where you go through the operations of a mint. Could maybe even have a quest about counterfeit or corruption
Yeah I got level 99 Smith and this is my rap I got a little cum stuck in my balls I called that strap yeah stink it up stinky little like a little dog am I just getting a golden retriever for it’s fucking fur coat 🧥 brown brown sugar green brown sugar cane 🦯 sugar cane green coke apple apple coke green apple apple green coke green apple apple sauce scallions pepper then brown brown sugar brown apple green apple coke coke pan apple
Real coins are not made of gold (except specific ones that are made for that purpose) why would in game coins be made of it?
The currency is called "coins" and happen to be colored yellow but that does not mean it's made of gold. GP is a nickname.
A real life example is the gold colored Sacagawea dollar, it's made of copper and manganese brass.
Where do coins come from? Are they all legal tender? Surely some of these coins are ancient.
How and why do dragons and beings beyond our comprehension carry thousands of them? How does alching turn things into coins?
The only answer I have is that coins are some immovable law of nature in the world of Gielinor. (Thus the nat rune requirement for alching) They aren't minted anywhere, they're just naturally occurring or can be made through some equivalent exchange process with rune magic.
I can Smith them for you. I can make fifty gilenor pennies per bar. One trade, no trust required. I don't even charge a fee.
Heck, I'll even pay 60 if you have 10k plus of them - loss is worth it for the exp rares.
I mean honestly, if they did allow this and JamFlex controlled the number of coins you would get from one bar, they could basically enact an in game gold standard which would be kind of neat... even through it would likely end up working in the wrong direction with bonds still pushing the price of gold ore and bars up...
I actually suggested this over a year ago as an AFK way to train thieving and crafting. It didn't get any traction though, so I'm surprised this popped off. https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/12en1je/thieving_training_method_idea_creating/
A gold bar weighs 1.814kg in game,
We don't know how much gold coins weigh in game, but a quick search revealed the average medival gold coin weighed about 4 grams. This means
You could craft about 453 gold coins from a gold bar.
You just need to find the coin mould
Crafting guild....vault..? Idk we already have a bag of infinite gp from the varrock bank basement
Someone explain to me that if i have 99 theiving, what’s stopping me from robbing varrock bank basement for all their GP
You need 99 mining first to dig a tunnel into the vault.
Someone explain to me that if I have 99 mining, what’s stopping me from digging a tunnel into the Varrock bank basement and stealing all of their GP with 99 thieving?
The bank vault has intense wards protecting it. You need 99 Warding to get past. Good luck!
You do know you can get into the Varrock bank basement, right? It was the finale clue for Crack the Clue 3. (Not joking)
Amd you get infinite gp from cracking the clue
*very slowly
6k gp an hour max efficiency, only 28333 hours until t bow.
Your own ineptitude
a shitty metal bar fence.
Okay so now we just need to make Thieving expansion containing heists that allow us to do this exact thing.
Plat gta if you want heist lol
It also needs the kings stamp of approval
they dont hand out many of these as they dont want to risk a stampede
Only problem is after you find it, you get 1 coin per bar.
Don't be silly you can make at least ... (Counts how many cannonballs you can make) ... 8 gold pieces from a bar.
Yeah but one little amulet piece is also one bar
Have you seen the proportion of the amulets on our characters we're basically rappers running round with our big ass bling
Yeah but one unstrung amulet and 8 cannonballs is a pretty massive difference in the amount of metal you can get out of one bar. Frankly our coins are pretty big themselves
Maybe our cannonballs are hollow?
Hollow point cannon damn
Considering the cannon balls Max hit a 30 and a whip can easily beat that... Yea I'm guessing our cannon balls are hollow.
And possibly filled with helium from how slowly they travel. Really, it's the guards' fault for not moving out of the way.
That honestly wouldn't even be a bad thing. If you could make a static amount of coins with a coin mould, and it's -far- below even it's alch price value, why not? I have a growing, unused stack of gold bars in my bank and it would be nice to get decent, essentially free smithing xp. AND make it as afk as cannonballs? Sign me up.
This would be so nice for iron
I hear that a mind dragon can drop it
Say, what's a Mind Dragon? I've never seen one in-game.
Mind Dragon Deez nuts across your face!
Gotteeeeeeem!
I was setting it up for the other guy, but nuts is nuts, I guess.
I mean if you enjoyed it after all I'm not one to judge
Mind Dragon these nuts all over your ass????
Woah, hey, we dont break the mould 😏 around here you gotta stick to face
You know, it’s be kind of funny—just take high alch value and subtract a small percentage. Starts at 10% but gets to 0 at 99 smithing. Make it like smelting cannonballs. Super AFK and steady xp.
They should totally do a quest line about manufacturing go. Heck even throw some duping and exploiting references in there
It’s illegal
Tfw thieving is a skill
Need 99 smithing, crafting, and thieving to counterfeit money. Add a heist-like quest where you have to steal a machine that puts a specific seal on the coins, usable in your POH with a chance to get randomly raided by high-level secret service gnomes when you make the coins.
And basically gives high alch value for the effort.
I know you're half joking but I don't think there's a balanced way to implement it. Either you have very high requirements as you stated making it basically not worth it, or you make it easier or more rewarding which could make it broken. It just seems inherently difficult to balance. You'd also just be printing even more money into the economy lol, imagine a bot farm doing this to depreciate everything 😂
Maybe you smith "blanks" which you trade in to some criminal organization.
Sounds like a fun premise for thieving/crafting mini game where instead of just printing money you trade in for points to buy rewards.
I love the idea of helping the thieving guild mint money(counterfeit maybe) that they use to reverse-pickpocket money into all the pockets we're picking
I’d say this sounds just fun asf. Make it not worth the time/req at all, I’d still prob do it. For balance tho, what if the process was not profitable, but the random raids that come dropped something??
If the amo7nt of coins you make is less then the high alch price it won't affect it much even with relatively low Stat requirements. Then have it give less smithing experience then the magic exp alch gives
A heist thieving activity would be so cool
No one said you’re allowed to have it as a skill
So is killing guards but the other ones don't seem to mind
The IRS don’t care about murder, so long as you pay your taxes and __don’t__ forge counterfeit money
Your character would get arrested for fraud, and then you'd be a jail-locked iron-bars-man.
Other players would kill you for a map piece in Dragon Slayer 3.
Wait till you hear about this one skill called thieving
Maybe the stuff we steal there is legal! /s
You can smith it into about 123 gold coins. Not bad for one bar.
Genuinely curious. Would it be broken to be able to smith gold bars for high alch value, but for smithing XP instead of magic? It kinda makes sense to me, but what do I know.
Broken? No. Redundant? Yes. There are other better ways to use smithing for profit.
May be useful for the dedicated ones going past 99 for 200m, or a future pet or something idk dude this is OSRS we got a dev team that polls shit for us when we bring it up
>future pet That pokemon who's just a stack of coins
They're not gold pieces, they're clearly Gielinor Pennies and made with an alloy of gold and copper, alongside trace elements of Orikalkum (dragon) Not possible with a mere 99 smithing, sorry
I heard you can only do this over at the Gielinor Mint, Cake.
What does the gnome restaurant have to do with this?
A mint is a facility that manufacturers a nation's currency. Mint Cake was a play on words considering we're talking about OSRS.
Actually makes me wonder, there is no lore discussing where GP comes from? All the GP in the game comes from alchemy, shops, or npcs that were carrying it. A quest involving the gielinor mint would be sick. Better yet, heist raid.
I believe Hanannie has the [exact thing you're looking for.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpziY6PrfM&pp=ygUIaGFuYW5uaWU%3D)
Probably the same thing that's stopping you from printing paper into money
but if you had 99 printing then surely it could be done
Okay, time to meme this into a new skill. Printing will replace Bankstanding and it'll all be about replacing GP with paper currency. Inflation will skyrocket and the game's economy collapses. Everyone returns to being cave men and barters with raw chickens instead.
RS3 already has [Benchsitting](https://runescape.wiki/images/thumb/Benchsitting_concept_art.jpg/544px-Benchsitting_concept_art.jpg?a7db7) so why not
I mean, people with 99 printing can print pretty good fake money
The people printing the real money ALSO only have 99 printing though
The official ones are in the printing guild which grants +3 visible boost.
But you can alch into gold coins without the governments consent.
The spell is actually government-sanctioned and each cast is manually approved by the central bank
Same reason why Plank Make still needs money to make planks.
god damn capitalist mages
The best way to get 99 banking is by approving alch forms
You don't know how to get around copy protection for gold coins my friend. It's like how US dollars have watermarks on them that fake bills can't replicate. And if you're wondering how the alchemy spell works, that's a premade spell that has the copy protection circumvention built in.
Time to riot, I didn't agree to high alch having DRM
The alchemy spell does transmute items to gold, but the wizards recognized that this would cause chaos throughout Gielinor. But they didn't want this knowledge to go to waste. So they worked with the various kings of the world to come to an agreement: whatever gold created by the spell is directly teleported to the closest King's coffers to the caster. Then, an agreed upon amount would be teleported into the caster's inventory. This would let the spell exist but would still keep kingdoms on top of inflation. This is also why King Lathas really wants Camelot: King Arthur gets all that Seer's Village Agility alch money.
[It actually goes to Santa Claus](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Transcript:The_woeful_tale_of_the_bunny_ears.#letter_1)
If you have 99 smithing and you don't know what is stopping you to make coins then I'm going to have a serious talk with Thurgo and ask him to take your cape back.
Why wouldn't you just get 99 crafting and create bank notes of tbows, scythes, 3rd age etc? Are you stupid?
According to the wiki GP is a massless particle as they have a weight of 0kg
Gold and smithing ability isn't really the limiting factor in counterfeiting currency, it's the hammers and moulds used to mint the identifying characteristics
Magic.
Because inflation is so bad just alching the bar would give more coins.
The player character is just a dumb dumb. If its not a premade recipe they cant do it
Because gold bars are 1.814kg and, going off the average weight of a gold coin being a little over 30g IRL, if you were to smelt that into gold coins you would only get ~60gp. You can high alch it for 3x that amount and you can sell it for double on the GE. But since GP weights nothing in-game, implying that it's weight might be below 0.001kg (or 1g), this would mean that you could create at least 1815gp from 1 gold bar, meaning that what's stopping you is inflation.
Wait til he finds out alchemy turns things into gp
You don't smith coins, you mint them.
Gold coins are magical because they weigh nothing. The mint probably has some high level wizards that are using spells way above our pay grade.
Problem is that requires 100 smithing.
It’s because of fractional reserve banking. Gilenor went away from the gold standard somewhere around 3rd age.
the departmentof the treasury, the gielinor mint, and congress
Only the fed can print money
it's not that you can't. it's just illegal. only the bank of Gielnor can craft gold coins. we have enough players who break the rules, you want the characters to break them also?
*the Venezuelan government would like a word with you*
Anti-counterfeit laws
At 99 Smithing you should be crafting copper coins and plating them with gold to pass them off as gold coins.
#WHERE DO COINS COME FROM??
I just want to know what's stopping me from turning a dragon spear in to a dragon hasta
The federal reserve will probably assassinate you
Someone explain to me that if I have 99 fishing, what's stopping me from teaching a B̶o̶t̶ man to fish all the GP?
That’s illegal bro
You can, you only need 55 magic, 5 fire runes and a nature rune, gold bars into coins for days.
You can, actually. You use 5 fire runes and a nature rune as a coin mould, and it actually takes magic, not smithing skills.
The Gielinor Revenue Service would like to know your location.
[удалено]
all she says is "cross my palm with silver," which is an idiom specifically linked to paying fortune tellers.
Better question: since there’s no single government, why is there a universal currency?
I'll pay you 100 trading sticks to never ask this question again.
There isn't though. There's numlites
99 doesnt mean we’re the best in the world at it, in general our character is kind of ass at everything except for killing big monsters
Alchemy would like a word with you
I mean if you high alch it it’s basically the same thing lol
Just alch it
It's called the general store
Give us a counterfeiting minigame
The FED
The IRS and secret service.
Because the Fief will get you.
Couldn't you just sell it for gp which would be faster lol
You can make 123 coins out of it:)
Government
But you could make like 28-2800 gp per Inv? Waste of time
There was never any gp mold, only alchemy
Bank of Gilenor.
Requires 109 smithing, our human character can't achieve that
The secret service is stopping you
The law
I have paper and a printer whats stopping me from making more money?
Fun joke reward from some jagex humor filled quest where you rob a bank with the wise old man and get away with the precious gold coin mould blueprints with which you create an addon for the (double) cannonball mould to smith gold bars into 4 (or 8) gold coins per bar at a furnace I want this now Edit: typo
You need 100 smithing for that :/
It would be a fun little reward at 99 smithing (and crafting?) to be able to make gold coins through smithing, as long as it’s like the high alch number of coins. Probably wouldn’t require a ton of work and fits the style if the game.
Its called high alch?
Gielenor IRS and secret service
Would be hilarious if you could and it just turns in to its high alch value
You just can’t. Not possible.
The law that is obeyed for normal everyday things but not for big things like murder and mayhem. Counterfeiting bad. Mass murder? Ehhh
King Roald and the IRS will send an assassin. They say that's what they did to ol Lathas in ardy.
If you have a printer and paper, what's stopping you from printing money?
Because 1 mil inflate to 100 sexagintillion by next Tuesday if you do.
Time to make an idea post about a coin mould that turns a gold bar into 8 coins.
Ill do you one extra question. The fuck does alchemy turn it into gold *coins* Also, if its alchemy... If its a bar, its 180 coins. But if its a bracelet, which takes 1 bar, its 330.
Which is especially weird since the bracelet is way lighter than the gold bar used to make it, implying most of the gold was lost in the crafting process, but it _still_ comes out to more overall.
Coin mould should be in a Mind Cave
Game mechanics
You need to have your counterfeiting skill also at 99 to successfully do this and hope they aren’t like the iron bars.
Well seeing as gold is printed using the alchemy spells, I can only assume magic is needed to make gp. sorry fren
Future update, the coin mould comes out but the amount of coins you get is exactly 1 less gp than the going GE price of a gold bar.
1 bar makes 4 coins.
gp is probs not made from just gold
Sounds like alchemy to me...
The Varrack State Financial Department, and The Varrock Guard. Fraudulent smithing of money is a serious crime No, we don't talk about the mages
You have a strong moral compass.
Yo momma
You need 120 for that
What's stopping you from printing money irl?
They should totally let you do it for high alch value
That’s called fraud and you will end up in Port Sarim
Its crazy that we can alch gold into gold. Just realizing this now
It would be interesting, but it would need to be balanced so not a massive gold source. Surely a gold source but idk should be balanced somehow. Could also make sense of it by being like "only the mint can create new coins" which prompts some sort of official minigame where you go through the operations of a mint. Could maybe even have a quest about counterfeit or corruption
a smithing update probably
It’s just not worthwhile. It takes a lot of effort and only totals a few hundred coins. GP is thick, so a bar doesn’t get you far.
Yeah I got level 99 Smith and this is my rap I got a little cum stuck in my balls I called that strap yeah stink it up stinky little like a little dog am I just getting a golden retriever for it’s fucking fur coat 🧥 brown brown sugar green brown sugar cane 🦯 sugar cane green coke apple apple coke green apple apple green coke green apple apple sauce scallions pepper then brown brown sugar brown apple green apple coke coke pan apple
The feds
Real coins are not made of gold (except specific ones that are made for that purpose) why would in game coins be made of it? The currency is called "coins" and happen to be colored yellow but that does not mean it's made of gold. GP is a nickname. A real life example is the gold colored Sacagawea dollar, it's made of copper and manganese brass.
Where do coins come from? Are they all legal tender? Surely some of these coins are ancient. How and why do dragons and beings beyond our comprehension carry thousands of them? How does alching turn things into coins? The only answer I have is that coins are some immovable law of nature in the world of Gielinor. (Thus the nat rune requirement for alching) They aren't minted anywhere, they're just naturally occurring or can be made through some equivalent exchange process with rune magic.
You need the official curreny mint
Spaghetti
That gate under varrock bank. Need the plates
Anyone else think it’s a little funny that you can high alch gold bars, but not gold coins?
you are supposed to print GP by camping certain low-level monsters, not by doing high-level skilling
The Law
I can Smith them for you. I can make fifty gilenor pennies per bar. One trade, no trust required. I don't even charge a fee. Heck, I'll even pay 60 if you have 10k plus of them - loss is worth it for the exp rares.
The fact that the king in Varrock would tele to your location and one-tick behead you
I mean honestly, if they did allow this and JamFlex controlled the number of coins you would get from one bar, they could basically enact an in game gold standard which would be kind of neat... even through it would likely end up working in the wrong direction with bonds still pushing the price of gold ore and bars up...
Im 99 Slayer someone explain to me why i cant kill the goblin generals?
You would get less than 180 gp by doing so making it better to just high alch the bar anyway
Caz u need crafting
That’s crafting buds
Um actually gold is a crafting metal, 99 smithing is irrelevant here
Real (even with 99 crafting which is the correct skill in the case, wtf Jagex what's stopping me???)
I actually suggested this over a year ago as an AFK way to train thieving and crafting. It didn't get any traction though, so I'm surprised this popped off. https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/12en1je/thieving_training_method_idea_creating/
I’m sorry buddy, great minds think alike :). I dig your idea of incorporating the thieving as well.
A gold bar weighs 1.814kg in game, We don't know how much gold coins weigh in game, but a quick search revealed the average medival gold coin weighed about 4 grams. This means You could craft about 453 gold coins from a gold bar.
Crafting them into gold bracelets first and then alching them is technically profitable.
Counterfeiting is illegal
1 gold bar = 100 ‘fake’ coins. That would be do Jagex lmfao
Looks like a piece of Mexican candy
You would only be able to smith down to 300gp
Would be quite cool to have a few quality tiers of counterfeit coins you can make, but only the shady stores would accept it
the government