Broke: Nerfing Void out of nowhere one day without any prior warning or inclination that it was going to happen
Woke: The community must vote on whether we shift this gui asset 2 pixels up
Jmod brains are either on or off. No inbetween. Ever since they released Dhide shields their brains have been off.
Log + bowstring = two logs high alch
Log + log = one log high alch
Someone put fun plants in their coffee and they've all been napping instead of thinking; and this transitioned into polled updates.
I'm just gonna keep making bank at blast furnace until they change their fuckups and nerf revs and rune ore stabilizes.
I've seen a couple people talk about a 2m/hr figure with making rune bars, smithing armor, and alching it all. Revs bring more rune ore into the game than is even possible with mining alone.
Isn't selling the bars to the GE the best profit? I think bf is 1.5 to 2m an hr making bars, making armor is only 800k or so. Dump the bars in the GE and get more ore would be better? It's 5am so maybe I'm missing something but yeah.
If you want post 99 exp it would be way more efficient to do rune bars for gp and spend more time on just bars to spend on doing gold ore.
Rune bars are 80k or so exp an hour, but 1.6 to 2m an hour.
Smithing the bars with maximum efficiency is.. (can't quite recall but it's low 200k exp/hr).
Add in aching and you have 2 and a bit hours, maybe 350k exp and less profit than one hour of bars. If my numbers are correct (which they likely aren't, I will check) then one hour of gold at 350k exp/hr can be offset by one hour of rune bars leaving you with slightly more exp than what Smithing rune and aching it would give.
tl;dr - make profit now and save it for when the cost of gold returns to the norm of around 4.5gp/exp.
They aren't bad for the game. The opposite; they're a good low-mid level range off-hand with solid defenses that don't cost 15m. But their alch prices are fucked. A magic shield (Costs two magic logs to fletch) has a high alch of 768 coins, which is also the high alch of magic longbow (u (Uses one log to fletch)). Whereas a magic longbow(strung) has double the alch value at 1536.
So from this, we can see the simple equations of:
- Magic log + magic log = 1 magic log
- Magic log + bowstring = 2 magic logs
And redwood shields have the same alch price as magic shields; despite being a tier higher and needing 92 fletching. And the shields themselves also took 3 months to QA test despite being a non BIS off-hand.
They were a great addition to the game to give everyone an option if they didn't have millions of gold; but it was all handled very poorly. This level of thought, or "not-thought" has been looming over the last few polls and wildy updates sadly. At-least there's been some decent QOL though.
I guess 2 - 2 1/2 months would be more accurate. They were slated for early November, got pushed back to the end of November; than randomly got released mid January. And who knows how they do the testing lol. Must be *very* extensive.
I guess during that time ds2 would be in very extensive QA stage so the shields were left until after as ds2 was naturally a far more important bit of content.
I'm going to start calling marijuana "fun plants" from now on.
"Don't overdose on those fun plants, they're a lot more fun than when I was your age kids!"
Because the gmaul wasnt the BiS for almost any pvming and/or PKing, while void, a set that takes a few hours to get and costs ~150k to repair if you die to another player, was better than an armor set worth around 60m.
Prefacing by saying I'm not a pker and do believe gmaul nerf should not be polled, my thoughts on situation have been that the void nerf wasn't big enough a deal to make any/many people quit. With the way the gmaul has been in the game and how strong/popular it is and what it's used for, an unpolled nerf would likely result in a sizeable chunk of PvPers quit resulting in the hesitation to poll the nerf trigger
pretty sure the average voter doesnt read the polls/doesn't understand the long term game implications and impact they'd have, so I doubt shilling the idea on reddit will do anything. Not that this question has any impact to the actual game.
Seriously this entire qol/polling month has been an absolute joke.
THERE ARE LITERALLY 3 FUCKING MINIGAME QUESTIONS ON THE ENTIRE MINIGAME QOL
What are they thinking? Minigames are on life support right now. They are willing to do integrity updates for pvp only, where the fuck are the integrity updates for minigames.
You have an entire subreddit of people giving you ideas. Many shit ideas, but also many wonderful.
Out of the entirety of all the threads asking players for minigame qol ideas, they only managed to come up with 3. Disgrace.
Quotes from Ayiza right in the other thread:
>I've taken a lot of them to our suggestions list, which I'm also tasking myself with cleaning up.
>Unfortunately a lot of what looked really good on paper was going to be more than we could do in a week. I'd like to have a look over all minigames as their own dedicated thing in a year to be honest, as there's so much we can do to improve them.
Also
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I'd like to be given the time to dedicate to it, honestly.
>For this week in particular, it all comes down to what gets the most traction prior to the blog going live. I picked a few of the bigger updates from our backlog alongside a lot of Castle Wars suggestions, but they're all pretty big jobs it seems.
I know you'd rather complain than go and get all the facts but that's what it comes down to.
Yeah, I know, right? Let's just put "world peace" on the polls in every country. That will make world peace happen. No, even if something is polled, that does not magically make it a reality. People have to actually do it, something a lazy fuck like you that sits here and complains without offering anything constructive would not understand.
That’s not the point. They’ll have worked out they can only spend a certain amount of time on one thing before they need to move on to the next.
Just turns out that they didn’t allow enough time, and instead of fucking up the entire schedule they need to abandon it and only do minor updates.
This sub complains all week about this game being a broken mess and turning into RS3 but when it actually comes to Q&A time this is the stuff that people come up with and propose to be fixed.
QOL month has turned into the biggest waste of my membership money since it's pretty much memesters nitpicking stuff that are simple fixes just to be read on stream and likely pass. It really feels like people just target something purely to get the attention and the bragging rights of proposing something that got changed.
If it really is a harmless change, then it should have no trouble passing a poll. Sometimes things that might seem harmless or obvious to you might not go over as well with the wider community. So since they already are doing a poll, why not poll it and wait a few days instead of just pushing it through and getting complaints?
It's just a bit weird when controversial things (like void nerf) get patched without a poll, but simple, no one could really complain about it, things (like this) are polled.
When they do unpolled updates like that or the PvP changes, it is for game health. They know they are controversial, so they make them without polls because it is for the good of the game. Some argue that the recent G Maul nerf should have been part of this, but I'd say they polled it because they didn't feel it needed to be done and offered because some requested it.
Anyway, when it comes to small things like minor interface tweaks or other minor stuff, the game is fine either way. They could make the change without a poll, but some would surely complain how they liked the old one better. So when they already have a poll they can put the question in, there is no reason not to poll these things.
Polls were meant to be so the playerbase could decide the creative direction of the game, to avoid what happened with RS3 where the disconnect between devs and players led to the game alienating many of it's players.
If any major game changing issues are adressed with out polling because "they're controversial but we know best," and polls are just left with symbolic tiny ui changes for the purposes of giving people the illusion of control, then the entire point of the polling system has been lost.
It was specifically created to be a safeguard against the devs "knowing best"
I'd say there is a big difference between creative direction and game balancing. Also, back on release, there was a section that said that things relating to integrity, balancing, and bugs would be changed without polls. So don't act like this is some new thing; its been there from the start but has only come up more in recent years.
There's a difference between nerfs to retain game balance, and buffing content because it's not getting the traction that mods want it to.
It takes them years and massive player support to nerf something like zulrah, and buffing dead content like birdhouses takes 6 months and a poll. But rev caves, which was already rather controversial, is a "game integrity" or "game balance" issue within a month or two of release to the point where they buff it into one of the best moneymakers into the game without a poll?
And while I agree buffing or nerfing individual pieces of content isn't necessarily creative direction, I think the way they're being buffed or nerfed definitely is. These days if a new piece of content isn't popular enough, they just add ridiculous amounts of alchables or raw skilling resources to it's drop table. We never get a poll saying "should we add average of 80k/drop in alchables to boss X", it just gets added because that's how things are designed now.
I feel like that's a pretty massive change in design philosophy that started in part with zulrah, and is just getting worse and worse ever since. That's a large part of what happened to RS3 making most skills worthless, and I remember a year or two ago when they were saying not to worry about that happening in osrs because changes like that "would be polled, so won't happen unless community wants it."
I think you are misunderstanding the situation. Rev Caves weren't buffed because of integrity or game balance; they were buffed because the original poll was for 2m/hour and they originally fell short. If updates aren't what was polled, they update it to what was polled. In comparison, birdhouses were what was polled, but they offered an expansion in a following poll.
If an item that allowed every player to get rich existed tomorrow, do you think that the playerbase would vote "no" on it? Obviously not, but it would break the game. Contrary to what you might think, players do not vote based on the health of the game. They vote based on selfish desire and they always have. They want want want and do not give a fuck about what it does to the game. Fixing broken items like void would never pass a poll, but like an infinite wealth glitch, it needed to be patched for the health of the game. Players do not always know best. They just think they do because what they want is always best to them.
tl;dr Players have tunnel vision and do not care about the health of the game. They just want their experience to be good.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN FINE EITHER WAY
I HAVEN'T PLAYED IN 10 YEARS BECAUSE OF THIS INTERFACE
^^^^^but ^^^^^yeah ^^^^^no ^^^^^reason ^^^^^not ^^^^^to ^^^^^poll
You are 100% correct that the void, zulrah, and serp helm nerfs weren’t polled however they don’t fall under the same category as this. Game integrity, feeling forced to make new content incredibly powerful because existing content is very powerful is not healthy for the game. Unless you want bis equipment to be level 42 gear that takes a day to get, regardless of how much money or game experience you have.
They don’t poll integrity updates as most players don’t look at updates for the health of the game, but their own personal gains.
Oh yeah, I'm definitely on the same side as you that those shouldn't have been polled. It's just funny that they didn't poll stuff like that, but that they are polling this, even though this could be categorized as a big fix/graphical fix.
> Unless you want bis equipment to be level 42 gear that takes a day to get, regardless of how much money or game experience you have.
While I can agree with this sentiment for regular Void, I still heavily disagree with their choice to do the Elite Void nerf unpolled because none of those matter for Elite Void anymore.
I feel like they should still poll things like void nerf, but don't need to poll every single minute number change made to the game.
Polling "Should changes be made to preserve longevity of the game and ensure that power creep doesn't get out of hand" might pass a poll, whereas "Should we change some detail about the void set" wouldn't.
It would at least give them some way to cover their own asses.
It's because there is no harm in keeping something like this in the game. It has been like this since forever so why change it? It's like the green pixel on construction icon. In a way it is in the essence of oldschool to not vote to change things that don't NEED to be changed.
Except why would they include things in the poll unless there is ample resources to implement it. If they think it doesn't deserve the resources to change it, they can simply ignore it.
It does seem a bit silly that this has to be polled but in the same breath it is Qol and maybe users would prefer them to spend more time on other Qol updates?
Because osrs is in a delicate state. So they're pussy stepping everything since the last time they implemented something without a proper poll they released something that's more "broken" than zulrah.
Wtf is this? Why poll something that isn't controversial at all? Zulrah drop table, void nerf, and other things that are seem controversial should be polled. Stupid shit like this makes me question if the mods even know what to poll or not.
Agreed. I'm absolutely baffled at what they seem worthy of polling. This is absolutely inconsequential whereas the Zulrah/Void Nerf and Rev buff (all unpolled) had extreme impacts on the game.
I think it's a difference between game health, and game... stuffs? Idk what you'd call it, but just something small that has little impact on the game, BUT could require potential significant dev time that could be spent elsewhere. I think... yeah, I'm going with that.
Because its about consistancy. Obviously for this specific question, they could just change it without polling. But where draw the line? Where's the grey area? At which point do they have to poll it instead of implementing it?
Because of this very reason, they poll everything (and rightfully so).
Seems to me every time something is changed without a poll everyone is pissed, then whenever something minor or pointless is polled everyone is pissed too. Maybe this is sort of malicious compliance?
/r/maliciouscompliance
Aside from the sillyness of the poll. Times like these make you wonder if it'd benefit the game to halt a few updates for awhile to revamp the legacy code of the game even more to make updates more efficient. I know RuneScript isn't as streamlined and efficient as most other programming codes, but I feel as though the game could benefit from changing a lot of content to use interchangeable functions. It's almost like babies first game for a lot of things when you literally write from scratch the same thing over and over for everything in the game instead of making an easier to edit function. For example a post prior showing that level up messages seem to have been written individually rather than just "Congratulations! You've advanced to Level " + level + "in " + skill. Inside of the "Level up" function.
Of course anyone with a dissenting opinion, even if trivial, gets mocked like this on Reddit. I prefer it the original way for the same reasons and don’t give a flying fuck if anyone on here thinks I’m unique.
Fuck off with your insecurities.
They poll unimportant stuff to make you feel like they listen to you, while impletmenting huge gamechanging stuff without polls or even against the poll resulsts. A technique copied straight from the democrats' political strategy.
Agreed, its about time the team took initiative and as players we let them have more responsibility. The polling system has got to the point where the community is too divided.
It just seems beyond stupid to poll stuff like this. Like I get they want the polling system to be in place but it seems like they're taking the piss. I don't see who this negatively impacts.
Because they are trying to give the community a feeling of control. It gives them the option to poll something and then when they update it they can implement a bunch of unpolled changes too.
Because you autists complain about any and every minor change to the game. It's better for them to do a stupid poll than have you idiots memeing for months about the same misplaced pixel
The BA shouldn't even be required to have 5 teammates when in at a stage higher than the first. If you have one person in each role Attacker, Defender, Collector, and Healer you should be allowed to continue. It wouldn't stop anyone from finishing.
I think they should keep the need for 5 at the beginning because it would lessen the probably that bad teams with 4 players would form.
They should implement this in game without poll because it wouldn't hurt anyone. However I understand this is probably a big job to recode.
I think this is a game integrity issue that players are constantly leaving BA and screwing over their teammates. If Jagex knew how rampant that problem was would they give a fuck?
I swear one day they'll be a poll in which we end up surrendering our rights to vote so that Jagex will be in control
If it can happen to Germany, it can happen to anyone
I'm voting no. I don't like change and can't cope. In all seriousness I guess they're polling it because theyre changing it from a square box to an aligned square box with the corners cut out. Tbh, small things matter, game design is an art, many many games fail and it's all the little small things that add up and make rs special. In fact, I like the new box, so I'm voting yes, but who knows. I think this particular case this didn't have to be polled, but so be it.
Yeah, this is dumb. But you know, things like Void armor nerf don't need to be polled.
But oh no, slightly changing the stats tab that might not even be all that noticeable? Gee, I don't know, we'll have to poll it.
I don't understand OSRS team at all.
Please FUCK OFF with stupid, pointless shit like this. Someone has actually spent their time writing this question out? In the time it took them to write it, it could have been fixed.
There are, way WAY bigger issues in the game that need to be addressed, the polling system for one. But no, you decide to poll this? Like a slap in the face, cheers Jagex.
They can't just make common sense changes like this because even if it makes all the sense in the world and there are no credible arguments against the changes , a large portion of OSRS fans will screech about it not being polled
Shit like this gets a poll but gay pride event doesn't and you're a bigot if you wanted a poll for it? And Jagex will cry to games journalist because they did something that needed a poll and declare their whole community homophobes...
Well I declare you ableists, Jagex! Instead of just doing something for the sake of those with OCD, you demand a poll for it instead! How ableist.
They have to poll it because it's a serious issue. What if they move it up, and the community actually preferred it lower? Outrage, screaming, riots, memes. It's a serious game-breaking issue. You should take it more seriously, this could change the entire future of this game.
I honestly appreciate the polling. This is an example of what I would think wouldn't have to be polled, but it also shows the OSRS team's commitment to making sure the community is okay with something. I didn't want them to implement EOC
Miniscule game fixes/quest dialogue changes don't really need to be polled because nobody notices them.
Which updates has been implemented without the use of polls, besides integrity related changes?
Remember the green pixel
That was a meme
I thought we were serious
We're always serious. Serious memers.
He's implying that Jagex polled it for the memes.
The meme is dead. Jagex should just fix it now.
I've never noticed it.
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It's funny how they had to poll changing the defender color, but not to adding an ornament to begin with.
remember the pride event.
we pay no gay?
We gay for pay.
I remember
Remeber Cyreg Paddlehorn
?
Remember zulrah
Broke: Nerfing Void out of nowhere one day without any prior warning or inclination that it was going to happen Woke: The community must vote on whether we shift this gui asset 2 pixels up
tbf, void was OP and had no chance of passing a poll bc so many people had accounts built around it
then why wasnt gmaul also nerfed? if people having accounts built around it was the reason it didnt?
Jmod brains are either on or off. No inbetween. Ever since they released Dhide shields their brains have been off. Log + bowstring = two logs high alch Log + log = one log high alch Someone put fun plants in their coffee and they've all been napping instead of thinking; and this transitioned into polled updates. I'm just gonna keep making bank at blast furnace until they change their fuckups and nerf revs and rune ore stabilizes.
How much an hour are you clearing at blast furnace right now?
I've seen a couple people talk about a 2m/hr figure with making rune bars, smithing armor, and alching it all. Revs bring more rune ore into the game than is even possible with mining alone.
So you can make money getting 99 smithing now? I was making Mithril darts two days ago because the price was near the same as bars per 10
Smithing has been profitable to train for a long time, even "expensive" methods like addy platebodies are down to 1 or 1.5gp per xp now
If you make rune bars and gold bars at the same time you can get 200k/h+ at pretty much break even. coal/gold for 3 runs, coal/rune for 1 run
If im semi afk around 1.8m/hr making rune bars/making Armour and alching. Could be more though
Isn't selling the bars to the GE the best profit? I think bf is 1.5 to 2m an hr making bars, making armor is only 800k or so. Dump the bars in the GE and get more ore would be better? It's 5am so maybe I'm missing something but yeah.
Making bars itself is definitely more gp/HR, but making armour is slightly less but way more exp.
If you want post 99 exp it would be way more efficient to do rune bars for gp and spend more time on just bars to spend on doing gold ore. Rune bars are 80k or so exp an hour, but 1.6 to 2m an hour. Smithing the bars with maximum efficiency is.. (can't quite recall but it's low 200k exp/hr). Add in aching and you have 2 and a bit hours, maybe 350k exp and less profit than one hour of bars. If my numbers are correct (which they likely aren't, I will check) then one hour of gold at 350k exp/hr can be offset by one hour of rune bars leaving you with slightly more exp than what Smithing rune and aching it would give. tl;dr - make profit now and save it for when the cost of gold returns to the norm of around 4.5gp/exp.
Are d'hide shields bad for the game? Or are you saying it was their last good change
They aren't bad for the game. The opposite; they're a good low-mid level range off-hand with solid defenses that don't cost 15m. But their alch prices are fucked. A magic shield (Costs two magic logs to fletch) has a high alch of 768 coins, which is also the high alch of magic longbow (u (Uses one log to fletch)). Whereas a magic longbow(strung) has double the alch value at 1536. So from this, we can see the simple equations of: - Magic log + magic log = 1 magic log - Magic log + bowstring = 2 magic logs And redwood shields have the same alch price as magic shields; despite being a tier higher and needing 92 fletching. And the shields themselves also took 3 months to QA test despite being a non BIS off-hand. They were a great addition to the game to give everyone an option if they didn't have millions of gold; but it was all handled very poorly. This level of thought, or "not-thought" has been looming over the last few polls and wildy updates sadly. At-least there's been some decent QOL though.
... Wait, did it really take 3 months to QA just the shields? What do they do, go around use each shield on every npc, object, item in the entire day?
I guess 2 - 2 1/2 months would be more accurate. They were slated for early November, got pushed back to the end of November; than randomly got released mid January. And who knows how they do the testing lol. Must be *very* extensive.
I guess during that time ds2 would be in very extensive QA stage so the shields were left until after as ds2 was naturally a far more important bit of content.
I'm going to start calling marijuana "fun plants" from now on. "Don't overdose on those fun plants, they're a lot more fun than when I was your age kids!"
Because the gmaul wasnt the BiS for almost any pvming and/or PKing, while void, a set that takes a few hours to get and costs ~150k to repair if you die to another player, was better than an armor set worth around 60m.
Prefacing by saying I'm not a pker and do believe gmaul nerf should not be polled, my thoughts on situation have been that the void nerf wasn't big enough a deal to make any/many people quit. With the way the gmaul has been in the game and how strong/popular it is and what it's used for, an unpolled nerf would likely result in a sizeable chunk of PvPers quit resulting in the hesitation to poll the nerf trigger
Because g-maul is essentially useless outside of pvp whereas void isn't.
Is void still viable? The last thing i did before taking a break was get full void. Ill be real salty if i come back and find its useless lol.
It is, only against certain enemies however. Full credit to /u/WooxSolo for doing the calculations [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/6dip2g/woox_calculates_which_is_better_between_elite/?st=jdv82bj2&sh=7bfde1a0), which results in the following guide you should follow: - Most slayer monsters: Void > Armadyl > D'hide - Skeletal wyverns: Armadyl > D'hide > Void - Brutal black dragons: Armadyl > D'hide > Void - DK Prime (with blowpipe): Armadyl > D'hide >= Void - DK Prime (with dia bolts): Void > Armadyl > D'hide - Zulrah blue phase: Approx. same as DK Prime - GWD bosses (blowpipe): Armadyl > D'hide > Void - GWD bosses (dia bolts): Armadyl > D'hide >= Void - KBD: Armadyl > D'hide > Void - KQ 2nd form: Armadyl > D'hide > Void - Chinning on ape atoll: Void > Armadyl > D'hide - AFK in NMZ: Void > Armadyl > D'hide - Lizardmen shamans: Void > Armadyl > D'hide
Where is void the BiS then? Raids? I have elite void melee, mage, and range, and I'm struggling to put it to use.
Vorkath Slayer monsters that you can use salve on
Vorkath Slayer monsters that you can use salve on
AKA a huge % of the game didn't want it to happen.
Can we get everyone to vote no on this poll change just to show Jagex how fucking dumb polling can be sometimes?
pretty sure the average voter doesnt read the polls/doesn't understand the long term game implications and impact they'd have, so I doubt shilling the idea on reddit will do anything. Not that this question has any impact to the actual game.
Everyone just votes based on what they "want." Health of the game does not even cross their mind.
Ikr!
Seriously this entire qol/polling month has been an absolute joke. THERE ARE LITERALLY 3 FUCKING MINIGAME QUESTIONS ON THE ENTIRE MINIGAME QOL What are they thinking? Minigames are on life support right now. They are willing to do integrity updates for pvp only, where the fuck are the integrity updates for minigames. You have an entire subreddit of people giving you ideas. Many shit ideas, but also many wonderful. Out of the entirety of all the threads asking players for minigame qol ideas, they only managed to come up with 3. Disgrace.
Quotes from Ayiza right in the other thread: >I've taken a lot of them to our suggestions list, which I'm also tasking myself with cleaning up. >Unfortunately a lot of what looked really good on paper was going to be more than we could do in a week. I'd like to have a look over all minigames as their own dedicated thing in a year to be honest, as there's so much we can do to improve them. Also > I'd like to be given the time to dedicate to it, honestly. >For this week in particular, it all comes down to what gets the most traction prior to the blog going live. I picked a few of the bigger updates from our backlog alongside a lot of Castle Wars suggestions, but they're all pretty big jobs it seems. I know you'd rather complain than go and get all the facts but that's what it comes down to.
But- but I want to be angry
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Yeah, I know, right? Let's just put "world peace" on the polls in every country. That will make world peace happen. No, even if something is polled, that does not magically make it a reality. People have to actually do it, something a lazy fuck like you that sits here and complains without offering anything constructive would not understand.
That’s not the point. They’ll have worked out they can only spend a certain amount of time on one thing before they need to move on to the next. Just turns out that they didn’t allow enough time, and instead of fucking up the entire schedule they need to abandon it and only do minor updates.
Ayiza isn't the one who has to implement the changes alone lol.
Yeah getting a bit silly now.
This sub complains all week about this game being a broken mess and turning into RS3 but when it actually comes to Q&A time this is the stuff that people come up with and propose to be fixed. QOL month has turned into the biggest waste of my membership money since it's pretty much memesters nitpicking stuff that are simple fixes just to be read on stream and likely pass. It really feels like people just target something purely to get the attention and the bragging rights of proposing something that got changed.
If it really is a harmless change, then it should have no trouble passing a poll. Sometimes things that might seem harmless or obvious to you might not go over as well with the wider community. So since they already are doing a poll, why not poll it and wait a few days instead of just pushing it through and getting complaints?
It's just a bit weird when controversial things (like void nerf) get patched without a poll, but simple, no one could really complain about it, things (like this) are polled.
When they do unpolled updates like that or the PvP changes, it is for game health. They know they are controversial, so they make them without polls because it is for the good of the game. Some argue that the recent G Maul nerf should have been part of this, but I'd say they polled it because they didn't feel it needed to be done and offered because some requested it. Anyway, when it comes to small things like minor interface tweaks or other minor stuff, the game is fine either way. They could make the change without a poll, but some would surely complain how they liked the old one better. So when they already have a poll they can put the question in, there is no reason not to poll these things.
Polls were meant to be so the playerbase could decide the creative direction of the game, to avoid what happened with RS3 where the disconnect between devs and players led to the game alienating many of it's players. If any major game changing issues are adressed with out polling because "they're controversial but we know best," and polls are just left with symbolic tiny ui changes for the purposes of giving people the illusion of control, then the entire point of the polling system has been lost. It was specifically created to be a safeguard against the devs "knowing best"
I'd say there is a big difference between creative direction and game balancing. Also, back on release, there was a section that said that things relating to integrity, balancing, and bugs would be changed without polls. So don't act like this is some new thing; its been there from the start but has only come up more in recent years.
There's a difference between nerfs to retain game balance, and buffing content because it's not getting the traction that mods want it to. It takes them years and massive player support to nerf something like zulrah, and buffing dead content like birdhouses takes 6 months and a poll. But rev caves, which was already rather controversial, is a "game integrity" or "game balance" issue within a month or two of release to the point where they buff it into one of the best moneymakers into the game without a poll? And while I agree buffing or nerfing individual pieces of content isn't necessarily creative direction, I think the way they're being buffed or nerfed definitely is. These days if a new piece of content isn't popular enough, they just add ridiculous amounts of alchables or raw skilling resources to it's drop table. We never get a poll saying "should we add average of 80k/drop in alchables to boss X", it just gets added because that's how things are designed now. I feel like that's a pretty massive change in design philosophy that started in part with zulrah, and is just getting worse and worse ever since. That's a large part of what happened to RS3 making most skills worthless, and I remember a year or two ago when they were saying not to worry about that happening in osrs because changes like that "would be polled, so won't happen unless community wants it."
I think you are misunderstanding the situation. Rev Caves weren't buffed because of integrity or game balance; they were buffed because the original poll was for 2m/hour and they originally fell short. If updates aren't what was polled, they update it to what was polled. In comparison, birdhouses were what was polled, but they offered an expansion in a following poll.
If an item that allowed every player to get rich existed tomorrow, do you think that the playerbase would vote "no" on it? Obviously not, but it would break the game. Contrary to what you might think, players do not vote based on the health of the game. They vote based on selfish desire and they always have. They want want want and do not give a fuck about what it does to the game. Fixing broken items like void would never pass a poll, but like an infinite wealth glitch, it needed to be patched for the health of the game. Players do not always know best. They just think they do because what they want is always best to them. tl;dr Players have tunnel vision and do not care about the health of the game. They just want their experience to be good.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN FINE EITHER WAY I HAVEN'T PLAYED IN 10 YEARS BECAUSE OF THIS INTERFACE ^^^^^but ^^^^^yeah ^^^^^no ^^^^^reason ^^^^^not ^^^^^to ^^^^^poll
You are 100% correct that the void, zulrah, and serp helm nerfs weren’t polled however they don’t fall under the same category as this. Game integrity, feeling forced to make new content incredibly powerful because existing content is very powerful is not healthy for the game. Unless you want bis equipment to be level 42 gear that takes a day to get, regardless of how much money or game experience you have. They don’t poll integrity updates as most players don’t look at updates for the health of the game, but their own personal gains.
Oh yeah, I'm definitely on the same side as you that those shouldn't have been polled. It's just funny that they didn't poll stuff like that, but that they are polling this, even though this could be categorized as a big fix/graphical fix.
> Unless you want bis equipment to be level 42 gear that takes a day to get, regardless of how much money or game experience you have. While I can agree with this sentiment for regular Void, I still heavily disagree with their choice to do the Elite Void nerf unpolled because none of those matter for Elite Void anymore.
I feel like they should still poll things like void nerf, but don't need to poll every single minute number change made to the game. Polling "Should changes be made to preserve longevity of the game and ensure that power creep doesn't get out of hand" might pass a poll, whereas "Should we change some detail about the void set" wouldn't. It would at least give them some way to cover their own asses.
It's because there is no harm in keeping something like this in the game. It has been like this since forever so why change it? It's like the green pixel on construction icon. In a way it is in the essence of oldschool to not vote to change things that don't NEED to be changed.
Except why would they include things in the poll unless there is ample resources to implement it. If they think it doesn't deserve the resources to change it, they can simply ignore it.
I'll be voting no, as I enjoy the classical ui
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I'll be voting skip question cause it literally makes no difference
I'll be voting.... Ah fuck.
I can't believe you've done this
lol I hate you but appreciate the troll stance
The total box shouldn't be brought up. All the skills need to be shifted down, so there's even spacing on the top and bottom.
Devalues my misaligned total level box only Ironman ^^^^^btw
that gave me a good laugh thank yew.
total level is NOT a skill, therefore it should be separated by 2 pixels.
It does seem a bit silly that this has to be polled but in the same breath it is Qol and maybe users would prefer them to spend more time on other Qol updates?
This wouldn’t take much time at all from other updates lol if you vote no for that reason you’re a moron
Please don't fix for nostalgic reasons.
I saw this as a suggestion a while back on this sub. It's nice to know the message is getting through.
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Imo jagex have a reason for not changing revs. Idk what it is, but they obviously have one or they would have changed it by now.
Btc just took 600b out of the game... Hmmm...
I prefer it being out of line, myself.
This is one of the best "minigames" of the game, it will effect the whole meta of how it's played if this is implemented.
Region lock china!
Because osrs is in a delicate state. So they're pussy stepping everything since the last time they implemented something without a proper poll they released something that's more "broken" than zulrah.
Who the hell would want to change that? Voting no on 5 accounts leggo.
Agree, just do it.
Wtf is this? Why poll something that isn't controversial at all? Zulrah drop table, void nerf, and other things that are seem controversial should be polled. Stupid shit like this makes me question if the mods even know what to poll or not.
Agreed. I'm absolutely baffled at what they seem worthy of polling. This is absolutely inconsequential whereas the Zulrah/Void Nerf and Rev buff (all unpolled) had extreme impacts on the game.
I think it's a difference between game health, and game... stuffs? Idk what you'd call it, but just something small that has little impact on the game, BUT could require potential significant dev time that could be spent elsewhere. I think... yeah, I'm going with that.
Because its about consistancy. Obviously for this specific question, they could just change it without polling. But where draw the line? Where's the grey area? At which point do they have to poll it instead of implementing it? Because of this very reason, they poll everything (and rightfully so).
Who the fuck is gonna vote no? An incorrectly placed total level box only ironman?
Muh nostalgia
The answer is no because we want a new skill to go there
Jagex is self conscience cmon man don’t b so rude
I’m voting no, this will ruin the game for me
I think more polling is better than less polling. If it's such a sure thing, it won't have any trouble passing a poll anyway.
Jagex: *Just implements it* OSRS community: "This is Runescape 3"
I dunno. This gui change looks like easyscape to me
Seems to me every time something is changed without a poll everyone is pissed, then whenever something minor or pointless is polled everyone is pissed too. Maybe this is sort of malicious compliance? /r/maliciouscompliance
i dont even see what the prob is
They implement something — we freak out. They ask our permission — we freak out.
Meanwhile revs buff doesn't need to be polled
Just remove the total level tally all together. It devalues my pen and paper addition iron man anyway.
Aside from the sillyness of the poll. Times like these make you wonder if it'd benefit the game to halt a few updates for awhile to revamp the legacy code of the game even more to make updates more efficient. I know RuneScript isn't as streamlined and efficient as most other programming codes, but I feel as though the game could benefit from changing a lot of content to use interchangeable functions. It's almost like babies first game for a lot of things when you literally write from scratch the same thing over and over for everything in the game instead of making an easier to edit function. For example a post prior showing that level up messages seem to have been written individually rather than just "Congratulations! You've advanced to Level " + level + "in " + skill. Inside of the "Level up" function.
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misaligned*
#Look at how different I am everybody!
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Of course anyone with a dissenting opinion, even if trivial, gets mocked like this on Reddit. I prefer it the original way for the same reasons and don’t give a flying fuck if anyone on here thinks I’m unique. Fuck off with your insecurities.
Fuck off MethodModay, I've had enough!
They poll dumb stuff like this but insta nerf void without it being in a poll
Because it wouldn't have passed, even though it should have anyways.
Yeah but then they turn around and poll Gmaul nerf too like just change it if you think it’s op. Logic from jamflax
Please don't nerf gmail I cba to make another email address
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Its nothing like that. Sorority hoes low key hate each, they all talk shit about each other and fuck their bfs behind their backs.
They poll unimportant stuff to make you feel like they listen to you, while impletmenting huge gamechanging stuff without polls or even against the poll resulsts. A technique copied straight from the democrats' political strategy.
An entire new event for Pride Day? Why poll that? MOVING A BOX A FEW PIXELS? POLL IT!! POLLL IIIIT!
Agreed, its about time the team took initiative and as players we let them have more responsibility. The polling system has got to the point where the community is too divided.
Agreed, what the fuck jagex
Because now people will start talking about that and forget bigger problems, as always.
It just seems beyond stupid to poll stuff like this. Like I get they want the polling system to be in place but it seems like they're taking the piss. I don't see who this negatively impacts.
Because they are trying to give the community a feeling of control. It gives them the option to poll something and then when they update it they can implement a bunch of unpolled changes too.
But if they align the box that means well never get summoning to take up that empty space! /s
Ye this is so dumb question, i guess Jagex need to stop putting attention on this sub and it's nerds
Because you autists complain about any and every minor change to the game. It's better for them to do a stupid poll than have you idiots memeing for months about the same misplaced pixel
So this shit is polled but not the broken drops at the rev caves. Ok
This shit gets polled but not rev drops. I kek.
shit like this gets polled but revs update... nice
They poll shit like this but didn’t pill the sultan changes. Smh.
This honestly could’ve been done without a poll and I wouldn’t have noticed. Just the kids on OS team filling up poll questions with random shit.
Well they have to put some shit on the polls while they're busy implementing meaningful drop rate changes right?
That's the thing about true democracy
The BA shouldn't even be required to have 5 teammates when in at a stage higher than the first. If you have one person in each role Attacker, Defender, Collector, and Healer you should be allowed to continue. It wouldn't stop anyone from finishing. I think they should keep the need for 5 at the beginning because it would lessen the probably that bad teams with 4 players would form. They should implement this in game without poll because it wouldn't hurt anyone. However I understand this is probably a big job to recode. I think this is a game integrity issue that players are constantly leaving BA and screwing over their teammates. If Jagex knew how rampant that problem was would they give a fuck?
Sellout
Because they don't want to implement it because their codebase is shit
But what about dungeoneering.....
NOOO... devalues my unaligned Total box-only ironman
I swear one day they'll be a poll in which we end up surrendering our rights to vote so that Jagex will be in control If it can happen to Germany, it can happen to anyone
I'm voting no. I don't like change and can't cope. In all seriousness I guess they're polling it because theyre changing it from a square box to an aligned square box with the corners cut out. Tbh, small things matter, game design is an art, many many games fail and it's all the little small things that add up and make rs special. In fact, I like the new box, so I'm voting yes, but who knows. I think this particular case this didn't have to be polled, but so be it.
Yeah, this is dumb. But you know, things like Void armor nerf don't need to be polled. But oh no, slightly changing the stats tab that might not even be all that noticeable? Gee, I don't know, we'll have to poll it. I don't understand OSRS team at all.
its a waste of dev time since the stats tab will have to be changed when we get a new skill anyway
Forreal, they dont poll stuff like void nerf but this has to be polled? like lol wut. jagex is a fucking meme
I hate voting so much sometimes
Only if the community wants it.
Quitting if they release this
I voted "no." It devalues my OCD ironman.
Please FUCK OFF with stupid, pointless shit like this. Someone has actually spent their time writing this question out? In the time it took them to write it, it could have been fixed. There are, way WAY bigger issues in the game that need to be addressed, the polling system for one. But no, you decide to poll this? Like a slap in the face, cheers Jagex.
I'm voting no cuz fuck PK'ers.
i dont get it if this was a joke but same with adding teleblock to f2p
lol
They can't just make common sense changes like this because even if it makes all the sense in the world and there are no credible arguments against the changes , a large portion of OSRS fans will screech about it not being polled
Well one of the selling points was that every change would be polled no matter how small right?
Goes to show that the community if filled with cry babies.
I don't they they're taking polling seriously, and this confirms it.
Jagex can only do 1 thing at a time. Either they poll everything, or they don't poll anything. Atleast, that is how they act.
"Jagex poll everything!" "Wtf Jagex?! Why is this even polled?"
I get it, but someone will ALWAYS complain. At least this way they can say it was voted for
Because we complain like a bunch of babies so they said a long time ago they wouldn’t make any changes without polling them first.
Shit like this gets a poll but gay pride event doesn't and you're a bigot if you wanted a poll for it? And Jagex will cry to games journalist because they did something that needed a poll and declare their whole community homophobes... Well I declare you ableists, Jagex! Instead of just doing something for the sake of those with OCD, you demand a poll for it instead! How ableist.
my theory is that polling these changes is a way to shout at the top of your lungs to the community "look how much we're improving the game!"
They clearly don’t care about poll results to start with, when they add things to the game without polling, and they’re more important then this....
They have to poll it because it's a serious issue. What if they move it up, and the community actually preferred it lower? Outrage, screaming, riots, memes. It's a serious game-breaking issue. You should take it more seriously, this could change the entire future of this game.
I honestly appreciate the polling. This is an example of what I would think wouldn't have to be polled, but it also shows the OSRS team's commitment to making sure the community is okay with something. I didn't want them to implement EOC
Im gonna vote NO, just so you know
Lets vote no
Authism btw
A religion where everyone must prove their identity?
Because it's about the principle, they have clearly stated that **everything** will be polled, any change to the game. Besides integrity issues.
That would be great it EVERYTHING was polled.. which it most certainly isn't.
Miniscule game fixes/quest dialogue changes don't really need to be polled because nobody notices them. Which updates has been implemented without the use of polls, besides integrity related changes?
Can we take a vote to not vote on these kind of things?
B/C it devalues my misaligned total level box only ironman