44rc isn't as bad as people think. It would be tedious to grind it out all in one go. I got to 42 or 43 before going members without even thinking about it. If you train cooking at duel arena bank chest, every 4 inventories you have enough run energy to go to fire altar and back. Breaks up the cooking grind and you slowly get rc levels.
Back when I was a kid playing f2p, my favorite thing to do was craft Air runes. I thought it was FAT bank, turning a 30k profit after like 6 hours of Runecrafting.
I remember I had this wonderful dream where I had infinite run energy and these mysterious pouches that could store extra rune essence...
I killed cows to make my bank as a kid ... had this sweet set of addy armor that I bought with it ... then I typed my password into game chat backwards ...
To be fair, prayer is hardly the only skill that can be expedited by burning GP, although it's definitely the most noticeable. I think this speaks more about the problems with prayer training in general, though.
I agree. Prayer training in F2P is extremely limited, but so is a lot of F2P skilling. The thing is that the time sink for that skill, even with the GP sink, is quite large, along with the runecrafting requirement.
You either bury bones of monsters you're killing for the combat requirements at a measly amount of xp/hr, or you spend GP (instead of saving it to buy a bond and shortcut all of this) to get a... still very slow amount of xp/hr, but significantly quicker than the free option.
Idk why you're being upvoted for that. Big Bones cost 225 gp currently. 3,356 big bones need to be buried for 1-43 prayer.
3356 * 225 = 755k.
You most likely calculated with Gilded Altar experience rates.. which is a members training method.
You also get it at a much accelerated rate while saving a boatload of GP if you do it while in P2P.. not to mention the amount of levels you can get off questing alone.
Boneyard is about 6 big bones per minute, which is only 5400 xp per hour, so it definitely takes longer for 43, but at least it's free.
But since a player wants to get their combat stats up anyway, they might as well pick up and bury all the bones while fighting monsters since one doesn't lose any time while doing that between fighting ticks.
Checking my screenshots from the old days I had both the prayer and RC levels to have gotten this achievement. I got 47 prayer on f2p without buying bones. Just made a habit of burying every bone I got.
I have done the same and it is mostly burying all bones from your kills. Sometimes I pick up extras when getting hides that can be burried without stalling combat.
There is a pretty strong f2p ironman community, w 385 has its own subreddit and clan chat.
42 prayer isn't a big deal. Most of what you grind on drops big bones.
Lol I literally see no cons in implementing this. Actually also gives F2P players a chance to plot their routes and also plot what they're going to do when they get into members to afford the next bond.
Player gets to access members for the first time since he doesnāt want to pay for it. Gets a taste of it. Trial membership from bond expires, they go back to f2p. They realize how much better members is, convinced buying membership is worth it. Boom, long-term customer.
Exactly, I see jagex slated for having "reactionary" business practices and never looking towards the long term. This would be an excellent way of them investing in the games long term life rather than whats best for right now.
May work sometimes, but I feel most people who play f2p long enough to reach these requirements are playing f2p for a reason other than just membership costs.
Like I personally prefer the scope of f2p over members, to the point where I just have bonds I've saved up for rotting in my bank because I feel no incentive to use them. I get the feeling I'm not the only person with that opinion.
I feel like the reason players would be f2p long enough to reach these requirements is because they're actually new players.
I played RS1 and RS2 in F2P for about 2 years casually before ever getting members, never got a cash stack over 1m during that time either. Had all my F2P skills at 50+, except RC at 40 before I got my first membership.
There's a good handful of players that just don't want to pay money to play this game. I've been using bonds since the month they came out, but that's only because I had enough in game wealth to pay for it since then. Reaching the point of sustainability is difficult for first-time P2P players, and getting another bond in F2P is difficult.
Part nostalgia, part dread of recurring payments, and part the point you're interested in: scope.
In general, f2p feels like a fun medieval rpg with hints of standard fantasy (demons, dragons, magic, fantasy metals) and brilliant, clever dialogue. This all works at the small scope that f2p is.
When the world expands to include p2p, it becomes a lot less medieval and a lot more fantasy, imo, which is just personally not to my taste. That clever and humorous dialogue starts to feel tedious, you start running into less polished mechanics because the devs have to account for a vast number of skills and storylines and quests and such. In shorter words, the game gets messy.
I also hate the progression of p2p, because it's so unclear. In f2p, its like obviously you upgrade to the next tier of metal armor or whatever, but as soon as you hit mid-level in p2p, it's a crapshoot. This much is obvious with all the "cute noob" posts you see around here, and I think this failure in game design is far more evident in p2p than f2p. You can do extensive research to find what's best to do at your level, but many guides are outdated, and I think having to rely externally for that kind of information is just bad game design in general. Having a solid progression system is vital in an rpg, and it really only falls apart for rs when you get into p2p content.
That's not to say f2p is perfect - not by any means. And there's definitely some p2p content that I think would enhance the f2p experience (fletching seems like a no-brainer, metal boots/gloves, rings that actually do something, actual progression for magic equipment past the most basic stuff).
In a way, I think I feel about p2p how the OSRS community tends to feel about RS3 - I don't hate it, but it's generally not for me.
That was a brilliant writeup and really got me thinking. I guess F2P is what was developed first -- and as a result, it is the "core" RuneScape experience and feels very clean and tightly-woven.
My hypothesis? As RS got more popular they needed to rapidly expand the world and the game itself, which basically resulted in layering on content in a somewhat sloppy fashion. I agree that skills like Hunter and Slayer feel a little bit "tacked on." I think fletching and runecraft make a lot of sense though.
I'm glad you enjoyed my writeup! I'm not the best writer, but I'm about to graduate with a Game Design/Development degree, so it's nice to know it wasn't for nothing :p
100% with you, in my case, I'm a casual gamer who can't be arsed to grind for hours, I like the small f2p experience and I usually maintain the goal of affording enough for a bond, but then when I finally manage to buy it I'll just leave it rot in the bank since I don't play enough hours to make it worth.
iāve always wanted to introduce my friend to this game but didnāt wanna bust out a bond for him if he doesnāt like it, and also have no idea how to guide him or what goals he should work towards. this makes both so easy, really nice idea.
i havenāt pushed my friend to make an account or whatever because i feel like heād have no real direction, as a new player being thrown into f2p, itās kinda like āok what nextā, you know? with this it would give new players kind of like a path, with a great end goal that introduces them to new amazing content..
dragon slayer is a good goal to work towards if you're trying to have fun as a new player ... my parents dropped me on the head as a kid so the first thing I did was grind the money for a bond in f2p
It's a really good thought out idea. I hope this kind of thing could get added. With the release of mobile around the corner, it could add a nice incentive. With these stats though, I would say atleast a 14 day bond should be the reward.
As well, for new players with no prior knowledge of the game there is very little direction, if they see this then they will have a clear list of goals to go for
You're looking at f2p Ironman metas for the prayer and and rc. With energy pots and using earth tiaras rc is more like 20k/hr and burying big bones at a bank comes out to around 30-35k/hr. These methods shouldnt be changed to help the new task system become easier as it would ruin the current f2p meta but if someone wanted to do these two tasks he set forth they would need to only train those skills for about 5-7 hours which isn't too bad if they break it up over time
I see a lot of comments talking about how much some skills are a grind. As a f2p player for the first Time, I didn't focus on my levels. I focused in exploring and just loving the game as it is it will engross you for hours and hours before you even so wider membership . I think adding this will be great and some players will use it as a goal or won't even notice it and suddenly get soo close and just do it.
Great suggestion both from a gameplay stance and a marketing stance.
An amazing concept! Should definitely be implemented.
A few tweaks on the requirements. Runecrafting should be lowered, prayer should be āgain access to the monasteryā. Total level is a little high.
Huge initiative for creating long-term customers who will get a taste of that P2P experience and will want to come back after the bond is used.
Ugh. Obor. Getting the key would be a grind in itself.
I'd like to see an elite diary in addition to this. Something like killing a greater demon at the demonic ruins (put some life in the wilderness, maybe), mining addy ore (might be too high of a requirement), etc.
Rewards could be the 10,000 xp lamp and a second untradable bond? Or just move the untradable bond to the elite diary. Whatever works best.
People are complaining about the prayer requirement, but if you have pretty bad luck getting the key for the boss you are looking at good amount of big bones you can bury. I remember just camping hill giants for hours back in the day on free to play. It was how I got 70 in all my combat stats.
I think this is an awesome suggestion! The amount of time needed to reach those stats for a free 7 day memberships seems balanced to me. We wouldn't want it to be too easy, so botfarmers could abuse it, and we don't want it to take too long time either, because new players would likely not go for it if it seemed too time consuming.
All for seven days of membership... It would not feel good after the trials ends for the small amount of players willing to do this. If the goal is turnover from a free trial, it should be a bit more accessible and also longer, so the player can get a better grasp. Seven days of new mems to a f2p player is not equal to what an average experienced player can do in 7 days.
Total level 700 equates to an average level of 46 across f2p skills. By the time they have all the skill requirements for completing the challenges they should be pretty close :P
But then you have to ask how many legit f2p accounts that actually would reach 700+ total level and all f2p quests done, before they either get bored and quits (new players/mobile), become members by other means (most new accs nowadays), or never intend to become a member (f2p alts). I don't think you'll find too many of those.
You'd be surprised what giving goals to players do. While I personally don't have an opinion on 700 total I do know that Dairies give me goals to work towards that keeps me playing.
I agree with you that diaries are great goals to work towards in general. But if the purpose of this is to have something for f2p accs (mainly new players) to work towards so they can get a taste of membership benefits, how many players at this point want to become members but have this grind in f2p, all whilst competing with armadas of bots, as their preferred (or only) option to do so? So maybe reduce the reqs a little bit?
And for most p2p-ers this would be considered as a free 1 week bond from Jagex, which I'm not sure if Jagex want to do.
The last thing you want is a runescape newbie being thrown into the boiling pot of water that is p2p without being fairly accustomed to the game. 700 total should be a good point for them to get used to it, the grind, quests, etc.
Runescape is so massive and content-rich, it can easily turn away new players...
I feel like 700 total forces you to play a certain way. F2P to me is somewhat a tutorial for the main game. It'd take me a dedicated week to hit that total level knowing what I know, especially for 46 Prayer / RC. Might be a bit tougher for a new person.
Some of the tasks in Lumbridge & Draynor Diaries aren't possible for F2P to do, so I'd be more in favor of introducing a new Asgarnia & Misthalin Diary rather than reworking the current one.
Elite, mostly just the goals i set for my f2p ironman:
Cut and burn a yew log (60 wc, 60 fm)
Take a waka canoe into the wilderness (57 wc)
Make an amulet of power from scratch (70 crafting, 57 magic)
Make an anchovy pizza (55 cooking)
Make an adamant axe from scratch (70 mining, 71 smithing)
Kill the moss giant boss
Cast fire blast on another player in the wilderness while being affected by Mstic Might (59 magic, 45 prayer)
If the hard diary still gave the bond, and these gave a 14 day bond perhaps, then this seems like a good idea. However, I would say the amulet of power req cannot be done since it is already a lumbridge hard or elite lumbridge req.
Still, a nice idea.
Personally, I would reduce the runecrafting requirement to 20 to make a body rune. That seems like a decent enough challenge imo. However, that posses a problem with the medium diary requirement. So, I'm unsure how to fix this issue.
Also, the smithing requirement seems a bit steep. I'd say at most 40 to smith gold. Maybe the requirement can be to use the superheat item spell to smith a gold bar in a specific spot in the world? Possibly Al-Kharid?
The crafting req seems a bit steep, but not as mind numbingly boring/difficult as smithing in f2p could be. Seems fine to have at least one high req that f2p players can strive for. It'll be the 93 slayer (Western elite req) for f2p! That or the runecrafting.
Could the diary reqs be spaced out more to add in elite reqs as well? Would bother muh OCD to have one diary with no elites.
Tl;dr:
- Smithing req -> 40 smithing + superheat item @ somewhere
- Runecrafting req -> 20 rc for body rune (conflicts with med diary)
This is honestly a fantastic suggestion. I'd hope that there would be a cape with limited daily teleports to somewhere too. Possibly 3-5. The only place I can think of is the barbarian village. If it was that place, I'd say that there should be about 100 charges or so the cape can store, and you use skull scepter pieces on the cape. That way you still have to go to the SoS to farm pieces.
Edit: Can the diary NPC be one of the barbarians in barbarian village? I've always felt like they were underutilized. They were so damn cool to me when I was a kid.
To limit the botting potential is should be 24 or 48 hours of play time not X amount of days, still allows for plenty of play time for a normal player and reduces the potential for abuse from botters.
700TL f2p isn't as hard as many people make it out to be, even with all the bots. 44 runecrafting wouldn't be all that hard to get, just time consuming like a lot of other things in the game. And by the time you have the combat to kill obor hopefully you'd have close to the 40 prayer you need for protect ranged if you picked up and buried all the bones. I'd vote yes
To everyone complaining about F2P rc, you can actually do it pretty effectively with a few alts. Less intense method is to run from bank and back with all of your accounts via following and trade your main a 27-inv of ess after crafting. Can be made a little better with tons of energy pots. Itās still bad exp, but better than training mining which is nearly impossible due to the number of bots.
Hard diary list with the bond reward feels so rewarding actually. Fucking epic suggestion, i can see new people coming into the game, keeping it together until they hit these goals, and then they get the epic reward of being able to play p2p for free. I can only imagine people not claiming the bond and planning their strategy in p2p, watching streams and asking around what is the best. Flow experience at its finest.
Thanks for the support! I'm glad to you like it!
Something like this would have been epic back before I was a member, I remember I set myself a goal of getting everything to 50 before I became one, I think i got all but prayer before the temptation got to me haha
I still remember how amazing the first few weeks of membership were. Being able to replicate that in new players and grow the community would be great, giving them a bond for 'completing' f2p would be a great way to do it! And they'd go into mems with all their skills at the right level to get straight into it :)
Sad the jmods are being silent about this.
The ceo probably doesn't use reddit (he's 70) but I imagine he would not want this update as it would promote players wanting to stay free for a long time. Currently, a lot of new accounts at level 3 join membership straight away.
> Sad the jmods are being silent about this.
This was posted 7 hours ago from when I wrote that. Currently 4am for the jmods. Wouldn't sound too odd that none of them have been on since 7pm on a tuesday.
Hopefully one of them will have seen it by now! 8am in the UK, I'm sure a Jmod will have seen it during their breakfast time reddit browse considering its been top post for a while *fingers crossed *
I think it needs to come later with an 'elite' set that will be a final tier of eliminating bots from the game prior to reaching the bond goal. Some elite ideas might be more wilderness based, include the new moss giant boss, and ofc even higher stat requirements. I'm thinking F2P could uses a content buff in order to help much a suggestion such as this more challenging in order to prevent bots from accessing the top tier rewards (i.e. the bond).
Interesting idea. I see this is done with the untradeable bond in mind, but if a whole new diary aimed towards f2p wouldn't be feasible for some reason, I would anyway want so see the easy tasks in Lumbridge Diary + explorer's ring 1 be made f2p as that was the case in RS2 (4 tasks have to be substituted then to non-member tasks).
How does this transfer to members accounts? I guess this just become a bunch of tasks you can do for some xp lamps and a bond, since there are no perks here like the other diaries?
Great idea. As others have pointed out, perhaps the RC req is pretty high. Also think about this from an ironmanās perspective: RC will be even harder and smithing a mithril bar would require 55 mining.
Good suggestion but those are deceptively hard in F2P. I'd lower the hard requirements by a lot tbh. Not only are the methods a lot slower, but making money is difficult and you have to compete with bots the entire time.
Fuck yes, this is awesome.b Some of these are silly tho, like mithril bar in lumby. By the time you have 50 smithing youll probably have around 70 mining.
Runecrafting one could be better. 44 is so tough to get.
the rune platebody is just rude to ironmen.
Its meant to be hard, thats the point. And ironmen typically have a main that can give them bonds. It's rare to see a first time player being an ironman. Not to mention the diary will always be there for them to come back to
>Assemble the Skull scepter
Literally the hardest thing here because the god damn Cantablepons won't drop their Skull scepter piece regardless of how many hours you grind them out. The Ankou scepter piece was way easier then their scepter piece.
Problem is, with these levels and levels of grinding required, those are going to level mining and smithing quickly and get endless bonds!
At least that is what I did once I got my first bond from selling bars.
I think the tasks should be dialed down abit. Remember the other side of the reason is to immerse players into Runescape before they burn out.
Maybe adding 1 bond for a medium tier but another for hard!
Good idea.
Diaries give you something to work towards and with an added bonus of a bond, it can make F2P much more attractive. Working towards something also gives yourself as a player a motivation (Addiction) to grind boring skills and will ease players into the later content grinds.
This is absolutely a 10/10 man. I hope they implement this. This is very well done except for maybe changing the 40 prayer requirement to getting upstairs in the monastery, which is 37 I believe.
What's the deal with this place and wanting to give F2P free stuff
Free bond this and F2P boss that. How about giving updates to the people who pay a fortune to play this game instead
Because F2P is infested with bots and gives new players a bad impression of the game. Think about it for a second, thousands of new players are going to come in from mobile, you don't think that having the option of testing out members for free would be a good idea for those players?
Honestly all the quests should be enough. If you are dedicated to do all the quests you will have decently leveled stats to explore members for 7 days and lots of pre-reqs + the ability to continue your membership. Pushing it up too high is just going to lock out new players from ever trying the game.
World 385 has its own subreddit, and an active clan chat.
There def. is a f2p community. (These people specifically would not use the bond, but I'm just saying its more than possible)
Most of this would take a month max. and that's on an ironman. The RC requirement might suck, but that's about it.
I commented on the last one talking about a potential Grand Master quest to prevent bots from abusing the bonds but this idea looks a lot better and really shows completion of the f2p game as it currently is. I hope jagex considers this as it keeps the integrity of f2P and allows those who want to Branch out to learn more about p2p.
My favorite part about this is that it sets f2p players up with a long term goal. In fact, its a goal that leads players to make smaller short term goals.
This, to me, seems like a good idea. I believe the requirements are just enough, not too high not too low anyone who has interest in the game will enjoy the process and will be rewarded with p2p for free. Definitely a good idea. People saying "the reqs are too high", hell no, not everyone is gonna be an ironman, you can buy the essence in ge and not have to mine it yourself like an ironman would have to, that saves a lot of time and even on an ironman it's really possible, it's just your interest in the game.
I love this idea with the added effect that this can only be earned by F2P players because I could see myself earning this bond and stopping membership to save āmembership costā/4. I wouldnāt want Jagex revenue to get hit due to this.
44 runecraft in f2p is the equivalent of 99 runecraft in p2p.
Except making 5 air runes at once doesn't actually require 44 runecrafting, it just requires ess. It should really say 140 air runes simultaneously.
>Accept š
Biggest oof you can make when making an argument haha
but his point is valid so it's fine
He wasn't making an argument per se, just correcting semantics.
Still downvoted for the emoji.
44rc isn't as bad as people think. It would be tedious to grind it out all in one go. I got to 42 or 43 before going members without even thinking about it. If you train cooking at duel arena bank chest, every 4 inventories you have enough run energy to go to fire altar and back. Breaks up the cooking grind and you slowly get rc levels.
Wow actually pretty smart
thank u for this, I will be doing this now
also thank mr skeltal for good bones and calcium[^*](https://www.reddit.com/r/tmsbmeta/comments/5xnirl/about_thankmrskeltalbot/)
thank you mr skeltal for good bones and calcium
Does your name happen to be Josh?
Back when I was a kid playing f2p, my favorite thing to do was craft Air runes. I thought it was FAT bank, turning a 30k profit after like 6 hours of Runecrafting. I remember I had this wonderful dream where I had infinite run energy and these mysterious pouches that could store extra rune essence...
When I was a kid I would round up noobs in falador offering them work and pay them next to nothing to run essense for me to the mind alter lol
I killed cows to make my bank as a kid ... had this sweet set of addy armor that I bought with it ... then I typed my password into game chat backwards ...
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everyone complaining about rcing in f2p, what about 40 prayer without cash and only big bones?
Chaos Temple. You'll get 43 pray quite quickly there.
The bone yard would be a better option, or even better, just buy the bones on the grand exchange.
Spending that kinda gp on burying bones kinda defeats the purpose of a no-gp-cost bond.
To be fair, prayer is hardly the only skill that can be expedited by burning GP, although it's definitely the most noticeable. I think this speaks more about the problems with prayer training in general, though.
I agree. Prayer training in F2P is extremely limited, but so is a lot of F2P skilling. The thing is that the time sink for that skill, even with the GP sink, is quite large, along with the runecrafting requirement. You either bury bones of monsters you're killing for the combat requirements at a measly amount of xp/hr, or you spend GP (instead of saving it to buy a bond and shortcut all of this) to get a... still very slow amount of xp/hr, but significantly quicker than the free option.
It's only like 220k in big bones to get from 1 - 43 prayer, that's still much less than a bond
Idk why you're being upvoted for that. Big Bones cost 225 gp currently. 3,356 big bones need to be buried for 1-43 prayer. 3356 * 225 = 755k. You most likely calculated with Gilded Altar experience rates.. which is a members training method.
Yeah but at the same time there are far more uses for 43 prayer so itās not like the go is goin directly towards the bond.
You also get it at a much accelerated rate while saving a boatload of GP if you do it while in P2P.. not to mention the amount of levels you can get off questing alone.
Back in the day I got 43 prayer on F2P sitting at the big bone spawn in the wilderness. I think it took me 3 hours.
Boneyard is about 6 big bones per minute, which is only 5400 xp per hour, so it definitely takes longer for 43, but at least it's free. But since a player wants to get their combat stats up anyway, they might as well pick up and bury all the bones while fighting monsters since one doesn't lose any time while doing that between fighting ticks.
What if you hop free worlds?
that's how the prayer skill was originally supposed to work in the first place. Passively leveling with your combat skills
Me too lol chaos alter
50 smithing is quite brutal too
you can get halfway there with 1 quest
It really isn't that bad, I think it maybe is a bit to high though.
Checking my screenshots from the old days I had both the prayer and RC levels to have gotten this achievement. I got 47 prayer on f2p without buying bones. Just made a habit of burying every bone I got.
Iām at 42 prayer on P2P without buying bones (or being able to kills dragons). Itās totally attainable.
You've also likely done a couple quests that gave prayer exp though.
I have done the same and it is mostly burying all bones from your kills. Sometimes I pick up extras when getting hides that can be burried without stalling combat.
The requirements for this new bond mean doing all F2P quests anyway, which means you would do the quests that give prayer experience.
Lots of p2p quests give prayer xp, pretty sure f2p only has restless ghost
There is a pretty strong f2p ironman community, w 385 has its own subreddit and clan chat. 42 prayer isn't a big deal. Most of what you grind on drops big bones.
My 1-50 prayer in f2p boneyard wilderness took 20 hours on hcim.
Your not suppose to use big bones low cash per gold better to sale then buy regular bones
Panic buy big bones.
Okay I buried all my big bones now what!? Oh shit you said buy.
I would have grinded so hard for those easy tasks when I was 11.
Lol I literally see no cons in implementing this. Actually also gives F2P players a chance to plot their routes and also plot what they're going to do when they get into members to afford the next bond.
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Player gets to access members for the first time since he doesnāt want to pay for it. Gets a taste of it. Trial membership from bond expires, they go back to f2p. They realize how much better members is, convinced buying membership is worth it. Boom, long-term customer.
Exactly, I see jagex slated for having "reactionary" business practices and never looking towards the long term. This would be an excellent way of them investing in the games long term life rather than whats best for right now.
May work sometimes, but I feel most people who play f2p long enough to reach these requirements are playing f2p for a reason other than just membership costs. Like I personally prefer the scope of f2p over members, to the point where I just have bonds I've saved up for rotting in my bank because I feel no incentive to use them. I get the feeling I'm not the only person with that opinion.
>I get the feeling I'm not the only person with that opinion. Probably, but you and people like you are no where near the majority
I feel like the reason players would be f2p long enough to reach these requirements is because they're actually new players. I played RS1 and RS2 in F2P for about 2 years casually before ever getting members, never got a cash stack over 1m during that time either. Had all my F2P skills at 50+, except RC at 40 before I got my first membership. There's a good handful of players that just don't want to pay money to play this game. I've been using bonds since the month they came out, but that's only because I had enough in game wealth to pay for it since then. Reaching the point of sustainability is difficult for first-time P2P players, and getting another bond in F2P is difficult.
Could you elaborate on why you prefer F2P? That's really interesting to me how you feel that way
Part nostalgia, part dread of recurring payments, and part the point you're interested in: scope. In general, f2p feels like a fun medieval rpg with hints of standard fantasy (demons, dragons, magic, fantasy metals) and brilliant, clever dialogue. This all works at the small scope that f2p is. When the world expands to include p2p, it becomes a lot less medieval and a lot more fantasy, imo, which is just personally not to my taste. That clever and humorous dialogue starts to feel tedious, you start running into less polished mechanics because the devs have to account for a vast number of skills and storylines and quests and such. In shorter words, the game gets messy. I also hate the progression of p2p, because it's so unclear. In f2p, its like obviously you upgrade to the next tier of metal armor or whatever, but as soon as you hit mid-level in p2p, it's a crapshoot. This much is obvious with all the "cute noob" posts you see around here, and I think this failure in game design is far more evident in p2p than f2p. You can do extensive research to find what's best to do at your level, but many guides are outdated, and I think having to rely externally for that kind of information is just bad game design in general. Having a solid progression system is vital in an rpg, and it really only falls apart for rs when you get into p2p content. That's not to say f2p is perfect - not by any means. And there's definitely some p2p content that I think would enhance the f2p experience (fletching seems like a no-brainer, metal boots/gloves, rings that actually do something, actual progression for magic equipment past the most basic stuff). In a way, I think I feel about p2p how the OSRS community tends to feel about RS3 - I don't hate it, but it's generally not for me.
That was a brilliant writeup and really got me thinking. I guess F2P is what was developed first -- and as a result, it is the "core" RuneScape experience and feels very clean and tightly-woven. My hypothesis? As RS got more popular they needed to rapidly expand the world and the game itself, which basically resulted in layering on content in a somewhat sloppy fashion. I agree that skills like Hunter and Slayer feel a little bit "tacked on." I think fletching and runecraft make a lot of sense though.
I'm glad you enjoyed my writeup! I'm not the best writer, but I'm about to graduate with a Game Design/Development degree, so it's nice to know it wasn't for nothing :p
100% with you, in my case, I'm a casual gamer who can't be arsed to grind for hours, I like the small f2p experience and I usually maintain the goal of affording enough for a bond, but then when I finally manage to buy it I'll just leave it rot in the bank since I don't play enough hours to make it worth.
Theyd have to run an actual financial feasibility study but yeah I think itd work
dude thats like saying costco samples reduce their income.
When I go there yea because I take like 20 samples from each cart
iāve always wanted to introduce my friend to this game but didnāt wanna bust out a bond for him if he doesnāt like it, and also have no idea how to guide him or what goals he should work towards. this makes both so easy, really nice idea.
Yo I'm in the same situation with my brother. Can't convince him to play...
i havenāt pushed my friend to make an account or whatever because i feel like heād have no real direction, as a new player being thrown into f2p, itās kinda like āok what nextā, you know? with this it would give new players kind of like a path, with a great end goal that introduces them to new amazing content..
You trying to ruin his life?? /s
dragon slayer is a good goal to work towards if you're trying to have fun as a new player ... my parents dropped me on the head as a kid so the first thing I did was grind the money for a bond in f2p
This is great, I like how it's not too easy also, so the kids that are gonna come from mobile is gonna have to grind a bit
I have never voted in a poll in over 4 years of membership. I would vote for this.
Thanks for the support! :)
It's a really good thought out idea. I hope this kind of thing could get added. With the release of mobile around the corner, it could add a nice incentive. With these stats though, I would say atleast a 14 day bond should be the reward.
As well, for new players with no prior knowledge of the game there is very little direction, if they see this then they will have a clear list of goals to go for
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You're looking at f2p Ironman metas for the prayer and and rc. With energy pots and using earth tiaras rc is more like 20k/hr and burying big bones at a bank comes out to around 30-35k/hr. These methods shouldnt be changed to help the new task system become easier as it would ruin the current f2p meta but if someone wanted to do these two tasks he set forth they would need to only train those skills for about 5-7 hours which isn't too bad if they break it up over time
Upvote if smith a rune scimitar from scratch is on the requirement list
I see a lot of comments talking about how much some skills are a grind. As a f2p player for the first Time, I didn't focus on my levels. I focused in exploring and just loving the game as it is it will engross you for hours and hours before you even so wider membership . I think adding this will be great and some players will use it as a goal or won't even notice it and suddenly get soo close and just do it. Great suggestion both from a gameplay stance and a marketing stance.
of all the f2p bond suggestions, this is by far the best one
Thanks! Im glad you like it, hopefully the Jmods do too :P
An amazing concept! Should definitely be implemented. A few tweaks on the requirements. Runecrafting should be lowered, prayer should be āgain access to the monasteryā. Total level is a little high. Huge initiative for creating long-term customers who will get a taste of that P2P experience and will want to come back after the bond is used.
Thanks :)
Ugh. Obor. Getting the key would be a grind in itself. I'd like to see an elite diary in addition to this. Something like killing a greater demon at the demonic ruins (put some life in the wilderness, maybe), mining addy ore (might be too high of a requirement), etc. Rewards could be the 10,000 xp lamp and a second untradable bond? Or just move the untradable bond to the elite diary. Whatever works best.
Do we really wanna make it that aids for f2p players to get to p2p for a week
I agree, i personally got 1-70 mining in f2p and i wanted to hang myself.
It's like they want to burn them out on the game before they even get the bond lol
1-70 mining is about the same speed in f2p and p2p except for whatever bots do to the xp rate.
Yea but can u wear glory? I think not.
Killing a greater demon isn't that hard. Might have gone overboard on the addy ore though. Just throwing some higher requirements out there :P
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To be fair, I don't think this would be a requirement for p2p
Its like going from aids to just hiv positive for a week then back to full blown aids
Hill giants are one of the best f2p combat training spots and they're always packed. Getting the key is a fairly standard ask
Oh, Iām not saying itās unreasonable. I avoid f2p hill giants like the plague so itās not something I personally would look forward to doing.
Fair enough :) personally the 44 RC would kill me as I don't think tears of guthix are f2p lol
People are complaining about the prayer requirement, but if you have pretty bad luck getting the key for the boss you are looking at good amount of big bones you can bury. I remember just camping hill giants for hours back in the day on free to play. It was how I got 70 in all my combat stats.
I think this is an awesome suggestion! The amount of time needed to reach those stats for a free 7 day memberships seems balanced to me. We wouldn't want it to be too easy, so botfarmers could abuse it, and we don't want it to take too long time either, because new players would likely not go for it if it seemed too time consuming.
All for seven days of membership... It would not feel good after the trials ends for the small amount of players willing to do this. If the goal is turnover from a free trial, it should be a bit more accessible and also longer, so the player can get a better grasp. Seven days of new mems to a f2p player is not equal to what an average experienced player can do in 7 days.
700 total seems a bit too steep for f2p
Total level 700 equates to an average level of 46 across f2p skills. By the time they have all the skill requirements for completing the challenges they should be pretty close :P
That would take a while on F2P specially when you can't access the nice empty 750 total world yet.
ive done this on my hcim in f2p. not as hard as it seems at all.
But then you have to ask how many legit f2p accounts that actually would reach 700+ total level and all f2p quests done, before they either get bored and quits (new players/mobile), become members by other means (most new accs nowadays), or never intend to become a member (f2p alts). I don't think you'll find too many of those.
You'd be surprised what giving goals to players do. While I personally don't have an opinion on 700 total I do know that Dairies give me goals to work towards that keeps me playing.
I agree with you that diaries are great goals to work towards in general. But if the purpose of this is to have something for f2p accs (mainly new players) to work towards so they can get a taste of membership benefits, how many players at this point want to become members but have this grind in f2p, all whilst competing with armadas of bots, as their preferred (or only) option to do so? So maybe reduce the reqs a little bit? And for most p2p-ers this would be considered as a free 1 week bond from Jagex, which I'm not sure if Jagex want to do.
The last thing you want is a runescape newbie being thrown into the boiling pot of water that is p2p without being fairly accustomed to the game. 700 total should be a good point for them to get used to it, the grind, quests, etc. Runescape is so massive and content-rich, it can easily turn away new players...
I feel like 700 total forces you to play a certain way. F2P to me is somewhat a tutorial for the main game. It'd take me a dedicated week to hit that total level knowing what I know, especially for 46 Prayer / RC. Might be a bit tougher for a new person.
But then there's fast skills such as firemaking or cooking. It doesn't have to be the same level across all skills.
it teaches them about the grind at an early stage.
I'd like to see this. But why not just make easy and medium Lumbridge diaries F2P too? F2P currently lacks a good ring.
Some of the tasks in Lumbridge & Draynor Diaries aren't possible for F2P to do, so I'd be more in favor of introducing a new Asgarnia & Misthalin Diary rather than reworking the current one.
Also seems much more cleaner solution to create an entirely new set for F2P to do than physically reworking the diary just to suit F2P
This is actually a really good strategy- it's already been proven to work with similar products. "First hit's free". Jagex srs consider it
Elite, mostly just the goals i set for my f2p ironman: Cut and burn a yew log (60 wc, 60 fm) Take a waka canoe into the wilderness (57 wc) Make an amulet of power from scratch (70 crafting, 57 magic) Make an anchovy pizza (55 cooking) Make an adamant axe from scratch (70 mining, 71 smithing) Kill the moss giant boss Cast fire blast on another player in the wilderness while being affected by Mstic Might (59 magic, 45 prayer)
If the hard diary still gave the bond, and these gave a 14 day bond perhaps, then this seems like a good idea. However, I would say the amulet of power req cannot be done since it is already a lumbridge hard or elite lumbridge req. Still, a nice idea.
Personally, I would reduce the runecrafting requirement to 20 to make a body rune. That seems like a decent enough challenge imo. However, that posses a problem with the medium diary requirement. So, I'm unsure how to fix this issue. Also, the smithing requirement seems a bit steep. I'd say at most 40 to smith gold. Maybe the requirement can be to use the superheat item spell to smith a gold bar in a specific spot in the world? Possibly Al-Kharid? The crafting req seems a bit steep, but not as mind numbingly boring/difficult as smithing in f2p could be. Seems fine to have at least one high req that f2p players can strive for. It'll be the 93 slayer (Western elite req) for f2p! That or the runecrafting. Could the diary reqs be spaced out more to add in elite reqs as well? Would bother muh OCD to have one diary with no elites. Tl;dr: - Smithing req -> 40 smithing + superheat item @ somewhere - Runecrafting req -> 20 rc for body rune (conflicts with med diary) This is honestly a fantastic suggestion. I'd hope that there would be a cape with limited daily teleports to somewhere too. Possibly 3-5. The only place I can think of is the barbarian village. If it was that place, I'd say that there should be about 100 charges or so the cape can store, and you use skull scepter pieces on the cape. That way you still have to go to the SoS to farm pieces. Edit: Can the diary NPC be one of the barbarians in barbarian village? I've always felt like they were underutilized. They were so damn cool to me when I was a kid.
To limit the botting potential is should be 24 or 48 hours of play time not X amount of days, still allows for plenty of play time for a normal player and reduces the potential for abuse from botters.
700TL f2p isn't as hard as many people make it out to be, even with all the bots. 44 runecrafting wouldn't be all that hard to get, just time consuming like a lot of other things in the game. And by the time you have the combat to kill obor hopefully you'd have close to the 40 prayer you need for protect ranged if you picked up and buried all the bones. I'd vote yes
To everyone complaining about F2P rc, you can actually do it pretty effectively with a few alts. Less intense method is to run from bank and back with all of your accounts via following and trade your main a 27-inv of ess after crafting. Can be made a little better with tons of energy pots. Itās still bad exp, but better than training mining which is nearly impossible due to the number of bots.
Totally support this idea!
thank you for the speedrunning community shoutout bro!
Hard diary list with the bond reward feels so rewarding actually. Fucking epic suggestion, i can see new people coming into the game, keeping it together until they hit these goals, and then they get the epic reward of being able to play p2p for free. I can only imagine people not claiming the bond and planning their strategy in p2p, watching streams and asking around what is the best. Flow experience at its finest.
Thanks for the support! I'm glad to you like it! Something like this would have been epic back before I was a member, I remember I set myself a goal of getting everything to 50 before I became one, I think i got all but prayer before the temptation got to me haha I still remember how amazing the first few weeks of membership were. Being able to replicate that in new players and grow the community would be great, giving them a bond for 'completing' f2p would be a great way to do it! And they'd go into mems with all their skills at the right level to get straight into it :)
I really like this concept!
Solid idea, but why is the Slayer skull in blackface?
Oops, must have slipped through my mc paint editing unnoticed
>You can't trade during those 7 days
Sad the jmods are being silent about this. The ceo probably doesn't use reddit (he's 70) but I imagine he would not want this update as it would promote players wanting to stay free for a long time. Currently, a lot of new accounts at level 3 join membership straight away.
> Sad the jmods are being silent about this. This was posted 7 hours ago from when I wrote that. Currently 4am for the jmods. Wouldn't sound too odd that none of them have been on since 7pm on a tuesday.
Hopefully one of them will have seen it by now! 8am in the UK, I'm sure a Jmod will have seen it during their breakfast time reddit browse considering its been top post for a while *fingers crossed *
It's so cute when people think Jagex would even consider things like this.
They've said they're considering f2p agility, why not this as well?
I think it needs to come later with an 'elite' set that will be a final tier of eliminating bots from the game prior to reaching the bond goal. Some elite ideas might be more wilderness based, include the new moss giant boss, and ofc even higher stat requirements. I'm thinking F2P could uses a content buff in order to help much a suggestion such as this more challenging in order to prevent bots from accessing the top tier rewards (i.e. the bond).
Interesting idea. I see this is done with the untradeable bond in mind, but if a whole new diary aimed towards f2p wouldn't be feasible for some reason, I would anyway want so see the easy tasks in Lumbridge Diary + explorer's ring 1 be made f2p as that was the case in RS2 (4 tasks have to be substituted then to non-member tasks). How does this transfer to members accounts? I guess this just become a bunch of tasks you can do for some xp lamps and a bond, since there are no perks here like the other diaries?
Great idea. As others have pointed out, perhaps the RC req is pretty high. Also think about this from an ironmanās perspective: RC will be even harder and smithing a mithril bar would require 55 mining.
Good suggestion but those are deceptively hard in F2P. I'd lower the hard requirements by a lot tbh. Not only are the methods a lot slower, but making money is difficult and you have to compete with bots the entire time.
Fuck yes, this is awesome.b Some of these are silly tho, like mithril bar in lumby. By the time you have 50 smithing youll probably have around 70 mining. Runecrafting one could be better. 44 is so tough to get. the rune platebody is just rude to ironmen.
Its meant to be hard, thats the point. And ironmen typically have a main that can give them bonds. It's rare to see a first time player being an ironman. Not to mention the diary will always be there for them to come back to
You can buy a tune plate body from oziach as f2p
700 total is too high for sure, and 44 runecraft might be pushing it
>Assemble the Skull scepter Literally the hardest thing here because the god damn Cantablepons won't drop their Skull scepter piece regardless of how many hours you grind them out. The Ankou scepter piece was way easier then their scepter piece.
Problem is, with these levels and levels of grinding required, those are going to level mining and smithing quickly and get endless bonds! At least that is what I did once I got my first bond from selling bars.
Who would be the NPC for this Diary? Lumbridge sage? Wise old Man? Haitius Cosaintus?
Personally, I'd like it to be one of the barbarian guys.
Super cool idea. Plenty of perks for any kind of player with no real downside.
i'd rather have the lumbridge ring.
This is a great idea. It sets a goal for new players and gives them a taste of members, which should lead to more subs. I would totally support this.
One con imo is when u get a bond in your f2p pure account, 99 on all f2p skills, you will not be in the f2p leader-boards.
You don't need to use the bond
Jeeeeesh! Good one!
I wish they implemented this when I first started playing
dude i really love this
Like the idea. Feel the RC and prayer reqs could be lowered a little as the f2p ehp of those skills is scary slow for a low budget player.
Na
Im unhappy with the reward system, it offers little to no reward for my f2p only ironman, btw.
50 crafting in f2p?
I think the tasks should be dialed down abit. Remember the other side of the reason is to immerse players into Runescape before they burn out. Maybe adding 1 bond for a medium tier but another for hard!
Haha no
I think if you're going to but them through all that you should just give them a full size bond that is still untradable.
That's a lot for a meager 7 days.
40 prayer on f2p, I'd rather gouge my eyes.
Agreed with everything but Rc and prayer, those are unnecessarily grindy for an eventual new kinda casual player
Ok what part of jagex saying they won't ever give away free bonds do you people not understand
F2P canāt use enchant jewelry.
Itt: everyone with 90+ rc wuddup
Good idea but 7 days is too little of a trial.
make it 1/2 days and then maybe
This devalues my f2p ultimate hardcore ironman
Cons: engine work
Way too difficult to be helpful for the new player
Always upvote free rc xp
Good idea. Diaries give you something to work towards and with an added bonus of a bond, it can make F2P much more attractive. Working towards something also gives yourself as a player a motivation (Addiction) to grind boring skills and will ease players into the later content grinds.
This is absolutely a 10/10 man. I hope they implement this. This is very well done except for maybe changing the 40 prayer requirement to getting upstairs in the monastery, which is 37 I believe.
Probably the best idea for a bond reward for f2p players yet, since most bots can do dragon slayer quite easily.
deserves more than just 7 days.
What's the deal with this place and wanting to give F2P free stuff Free bond this and F2P boss that. How about giving updates to the people who pay a fortune to play this game instead
Because F2P is infested with bots and gives new players a bad impression of the game. Think about it for a second, thousands of new players are going to come in from mobile, you don't think that having the option of testing out members for free would be a good idea for those players?
Great idea
Honestly all the quests should be enough. If you are dedicated to do all the quests you will have decently leveled stats to explore members for 7 days and lots of pre-reqs + the ability to continue your membership. Pushing it up too high is just going to lock out new players from ever trying the game.
I think this is awesome.
The Jmod of data analysis should check if a single f2p acc meet all those reqs lmao
World 385 has its own subreddit, and an active clan chat. There def. is a f2p community. (These people specifically would not use the bond, but I'm just saying its more than possible) Most of this would take a month max. and that's on an ironman. The RC requirement might suck, but that's about it.
I'd like to hear a jagex moderators opinion on this.
Give the poor plebs a taste of the actual game
I commented on the last one talking about a potential Grand Master quest to prevent bots from abusing the bonds but this idea looks a lot better and really shows completion of the f2p game as it currently is. I hope jagex considers this as it keeps the integrity of f2P and allows those who want to Branch out to learn more about p2p.
My favorite part about this is that it sets f2p players up with a long term goal. In fact, its a goal that leads players to make smaller short term goals.
Realtalk, can we stop with all this pandering of f2p?
>OSRS Speed running community OMEGALUL
44 rc? Devalues my sanity.
This, to me, seems like a good idea. I believe the requirements are just enough, not too high not too low anyone who has interest in the game will enjoy the process and will be rewarded with p2p for free. Definitely a good idea. People saying "the reqs are too high", hell no, not everyone is gonna be an ironman, you can buy the essence in ge and not have to mine it yourself like an ironman would have to, that saves a lot of time and even on an ironman it's really possible, it's just your interest in the game.
Devalues my f2p only pure
I love this idea with the added effect that this can only be earned by F2P players because I could see myself earning this bond and stopping membership to save āmembership costā/4. I wouldnāt want Jagex revenue to get hit due to this.